Accorsi could draft 20 Ron Daynes and 10 Brian alfords and it won't matter because he brought us Eli manning. Say what you want about accorsi, but he took over and stabilized the quarterback position by bringing in Collins and then went with his conviction in getting manning. That is what I will always remember him for
Accorsi could draft 20 Ron Daynes and 10 Brian alfords and it won't matter because he brought us Eli manning. Say what you want about accorsi, but he took over and stabilized the quarterback position by bringing in Collins and then went with his conviction in getting manning. That is what I will always remember him for
He also built the Snee/OHara/Diehl/McKenzie Oline with a 2nd round pick and ducttspe.
From what we have been used to of late, seems like magic powers.
So I certainly wouldn't expect him to say that he thought Eli might be done.
A question I would have liked to ask him is...Why did he think that Eli hadn't played well the last couple of years? Did Ernie think it was on Eli, the OL, coaches, injuries to key players, etc.?
I wonder if Ernie would have suggested that the only Giants game he saw last year was the Philly game?
;>)
Ernie did make one comment that got me excited, by suggesting that Barkley's performance at Penn St may have hampered the team's style of offense.
Can we expect even more from Barkley than he showed in college?
Ernie Accorsi. Not because I think he was a great GM, but because he is such a sports romantic. The guy just loves to draw references from the good old days.
But here is my main takeaway from this interview.
Accorsi absolutely thinks Eli has no excuses now. His raving about all the skill positions weapons in place, and the much needed re-built oline, certainly underscored this.
So our success is squarely on Eli's 37 year old shoulders. And from my interpretation of Accorsi' remarks, this is a playoff team.
I still struggle to see it, but it's an interesting stance...
So I certainly wouldn't expect him to say that he thought Eli might be done.
A question I would have liked to ask him is...Why did he think that Eli hadn't played well the last couple of years? Did Ernie think it was on Eli, the OL, coaches, injuries to key players, etc.?
I wonder if Ernie would have suggested that the only Giants game he saw last year was the Philly game?
;>)
Ernie did make one comment that got me excited, by suggesting that Barkley's performance at Penn St may have hampered the team's style of offense.
Can we expect even more from Barkley than he showed in college?
I meant to type that Barkley's performance at Penn St may have BEEN hampered BY the team's style of offense.
I'm glad he nailed the Eli pick, but he had been the GM for 6 seasons at that point yet almost all of his team's best players in that time were inherited from Young: Strahan, Barber, Toomer, Hamilton, Armstead, Sehorn, Stone.
Then in turn say that you can’t pick a guy unless he’s flawless. Let’s be perfectly honest here, if you put Eli as he is today up to that same scrutiny you applied to the QB prospects, can anyone say with a straight face that Eli is flawless? If you do, you’re lying.
Ernie Accorsi. Not because I think he was a great GM, but because he is such a sports romantic. The guy just loves to draw references from the good old days.
But here is my main takeaway from this interview.
Accorsi absolutely thinks Eli has no excuses now. His raving about all the skill positions weapons in place, and the much needed re-built oline, certainly underscored this.
So our success is squarely on Eli's 37 year old shoulders. And from my interpretation of Accorsi' remarks, this is a playoff team.
I still struggle to see it, but it's an interesting stance...
You really should stop. Seriously, Ive never had a problem with you but at this point you just seem to post "Jints Central" and "Eli stinks" to antagonize fellow Giants fans. Its gotten to the point where I dont even read your posts because you sound like a kid on the playground who runs up to girls to throw sand at them and then run away. Just some food for thought.
I think that mindset is flawed, has dominated this organization since 2004 (especially since 2012), and is a big reason why we haven't been a better team since we first got Eli.
We have a new GM and a new coaching staff, but the approach feels the same.
I think that mindset is flawed, has dominated this organization since 2004 (especially since 2012), and is a big reason why we haven't been a better team since we first got Eli.
We have a new GM and a new coaching staff, but the approach feels the same.
I'd say the approach is radically different, at least in terms of how you build a team.
Reese & Co. made more than their share of mistakes, in the draft and in free agency. Couple that with an ungodly amount of injuries - many career-ending - and I'd say that had more to do with their recent lack of success than any supposed slavish devotion to Eli Manning.
I don't see much to suggest the approach is different. I see an attempt at "one last run with Eli" as opposed to anything comprehensive. We'll see I guess. But if I had to bet one way or the other I'd guess we have a new GM and head coach in 4 years.
I don't see much to suggest the approach is different. I see an attempt at "one last run with Eli" as opposed to anything comprehensive. We'll see I guess. But if I had to bet one way or the other I'd guess we have a new GM and head coach in 4 years.
I'm not a betting man, but i would bet against you in a heartbeat. Fassel was here 6 years and I can see shurmur having similar results, if not better.
Gettleman, I can see him being here 8 - 10 years. There is no way he will be replaced in 4 years. You can barely judge this draft in 4 years.
I think the catch lightning in a bottle approach occurred from 2013-2017. It felt like Mara all the way down were chasing Eli’s twilight years.
2004-2012 was a sustainable plan. Those Giant teams won 2 SB’s & made the playoffs 5 out of 8 seasons with 2 of the non playoff seasons being winning seasons. If you were disappointed in the consistency during this stretch, some blame needs to be placed on Eli.
2013-2017 was reactionary with 1 outlier successful season.
Keeping Eli in 2018 has nothing to do with chasing 1 more title. I see DG building the team for Eli to manage the game in the twilight of his career.
Terps- you’ve highlighted multiple times Eli’s replacement is unlikely to be as successful as Eli. If he can honor his contract and be successful, I don’t think it’s a crazy notion. Taking Darnold would mean moving on from Eli now, and that isn’t a no brainer either way.
Does he look or act like he is 67? I don't understand why people get so hung up on numbers. Gettleman has had no health issues (That I'm aware of) and loves what he does.
That said, I still think Eli can play. I still think he's good enough to win a title. I don't feel that way about the team, however. Given that, I'd just as soon move on and get the next phase started as quickly as possible.
Does he look or act like he is 67? I don't understand why people get so hung up on numbers. Gettleman has had no health issues (That I'm aware of) and loves what he does.
People get hung up on numbers because they matter. You said you think Gettleman will be here another 8-10 years...you think a 75 year old GM is a good thing?
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You really should stop. Seriously, Ive never had a problem with you but at this point you just seem to post "Jints Central" and "Eli stinks" to antagonize fellow Giants fans. Its gotten to the point where I dont even read your posts because you sound like a kid on the playground who runs up to girls to throw sand at them and then run away. Just some food for thought.
I don't see much to suggest the approach is different. I see an attempt at "one last run with Eli" as opposed to anything comprehensive. We'll see I guess. But if I had to bet one way or the other I'd guess we have a new GM and head coach in 4 years.
You don't? I see a guy who wants to build his team "from the inside out," as opposed to Reese building his "from the outside in." I see a guy who, at least in his first Giants draft, picked players who who went where every analyst figured they would - not a reach in the bunch, and maybe even one or two steals. Need I remind you of one of JR's nicknames?
Does he look or act like he is 67? I don't understand why people get so hung up on numbers. Gettleman has had no health issues (That I'm aware of) and loves what he does.
People get hung up on numbers because they matter. You said you think Gettleman will be here another 8-10 years...you think a 75 year old GM is a good thing?
I think we will find out. If he goes, it will be of his own accord.
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Ernie Accorsi. Not because I think he was a great GM, but because he is such a sports romantic. The guy just loves to draw references from the good old days.
But here is my main takeaway from this interview.
Accorsi absolutely thinks Eli has no excuses now. His raving about all the skill positions weapons in place, and the much needed re-built oline, certainly underscored this.
So our success is squarely on Eli's 37 year old shoulders. And from my interpretation of Accorsi' remarks, this is a playoff team.
I still struggle to see it, but it's an interesting stance...
You really should stop. Seriously, Ive never had a problem with you but at this point you just seem to post "Jints Central" and "Eli stinks" to antagonize fellow Giants fans. Its gotten to the point where I dont even read your posts because you sound like a kid on the playground who runs up to girls to throw sand at them and then run away. Just some food for thought.
Where did I say Eli stinks?
So if you are going to squeeze some kind of cyber lemon juice on my words to make up something in your off-the-rail mind, then I agree - don't read my posts.
Does he look or act like he is 67? I don't understand why people get so hung up on numbers. Gettleman has had no health issues (That I'm aware of) and loves what he does.
Bill, I have always liked you, but that's baloney. Accorsi was a mediocre GM and a windbag with an enormous ego. I'm not a fan of his, which has absolutely nothing to do with how much I do or supposedly don't like the Giants.
RE: RE: RE: One of my favorite members of Jints Central... Â
Ernie Accorsi. Not because I think he was a great GM, but because he is such a sports romantic. The guy just loves to draw references from the good old days.
But here is my main takeaway from this interview.
Accorsi absolutely thinks Eli has no excuses now. His raving about all the skill positions weapons in place, and the much needed re-built oline, certainly underscored this.
So our success is squarely on Eli's 37 year old shoulders. And from my interpretation of Accorsi' remarks, this is a playoff team.
I still struggle to see it, but it's an interesting stance...
You really should stop. Seriously, Ive never had a problem with you but at this point you just seem to post "Jints Central" and "Eli stinks" to antagonize fellow Giants fans. Its gotten to the point where I dont even read your posts because you sound like a kid on the playground who runs up to girls to throw sand at them and then run away. Just some food for thought.
Where did I say Eli stinks?
So if you are going to squeeze some kind of cyber lemon juice on my words to make up something in your off-the-rail mind, then I agree - don't read my posts.
Its tough to do that. Youre everywhere. Im just telling you you come off as increasingly more annoying. Then you come back with the puerile response of "dont like it? Don't read it."
Thought you were a better poster than that. Guess I was wrong.
Yes - there it is again. I have heard that a number of times... and mostly from people who have made their living evaluating talent in the NFL (as opposed to random casual football fans).
Whether or not the Giants are talented enough to make a run is another story, but upgrading your talent on offense by selecting a guy who everyone seems to agree is the best player in the draft is a step in the right direction. Especially when the alternative was taking a QB with lots of question marks just because he is a QB and we have a high pick.
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So if you are going to squeeze some kind of cyber lemon juice on my words to make up something in your off-the-rail mind, then I agree - don't read my posts.
Its tough to do that. Youre everywhere. Im just telling you you come off as increasingly more annoying. Then you come back with the puerile response of "dont like it? Don't read it."
Thought you were a better poster than that. Guess I was wrong.
I own up to everything I write - so I’m more than willing to be criticized and accept the criticism. In this case, the specific words you chose to associate with me are wrong.
Do I criticize Eli? I do. Do I think he’s at a point of diminishing returns? I do. Do I express that frequently? I don’t know. Maybe. I participate in the subjects I find interesting.
Most amusing to me, is this blowback I get about using the term Jints Central, a moniker for Giants ownership and management I’ve used since I started posting in the ‘90s. A phrase I read in the Daily News for many years growing up in the ‘80s and ‘90s. Basically, it’s just a handy term to condense ownership & management, nothing more than that.
So this recent attempt to make it some pejorative term about the Giants is beyond amusing. Alas, the PC culture has certainly infiltrated BBI.
but the fact that he takes a million bows for trading a 1st rounder and a 3rd rounder for Eli when he could have had Roethlisberger for nothing never ceases to amuse me.
but the fact that he takes a million bows for trading a 1st rounder and a 3rd rounder for Eli when he could have had Roethlisberger for nothing never ceases to amuse me.
Well, E.E. Ernie, the romantic poet that he is, simply "fell in love" with Eli. And that was his criteria - you need to fall in love with your QB.
Based on taking Rivers, I would say it's safe to conclude BR was third on his list of QBs that year.
The great irony is he likely could have had the two better QBs - BR and Rivers - without giving up any compensation... ;)
Jon, like I said, I respect the guy. It just seems like bw goes out of the way to point out the same things over and over again in an attempt to push an agenda that aggravates many on here. If it were different view points, I wouldnt have said a thing. It just seems like the same song and dance criticizing the organization as being set in their ways (though proven wrong this offseason), continuously doubting Eli's ability to be effective again.
This is the first time I directly addressed him on it. I havent been nearly as harsh as I had with other posters who do the same thing.
Ive been over it for a while. Was just making a point.
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but the fact that he takes a million bows for trading a 1st rounder and a 3rd rounder for Eli when he could have had Roethlisberger for nothing never ceases to amuse me.
Well, E.E. Ernie, the romantic poet that he is, simply "fell in love" with Eli. And that was his criteria - you need to fall in love with your QB.
Based on taking Rivers, I would say it's safe to conclude BR was third on his list of QBs that year.
The great irony is he likely could have had the two better QBs - BR and Rivers - without giving up any compensation... ;)
What you two fail to realize is this. There is no guarantee the Giants win even one title with the other two and. We know for a fact the Giants got two with Manning. Is it possible the Giants could have been just as successful or maybe more successful with the other two? Sure. But, again that info is unknown, and is impossible to know. Going by what we know (Manning 2 titles) should give us rest from wondering. Had the Giants failed to get a title with Manning I certainly would understand the 'what if's'. In reality there isn't any reason to say 'what if'
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but the fact that he takes a million bows for trading a 1st rounder and a 3rd rounder for Eli when he could have had Roethlisberger for nothing never ceases to amuse me.
Well, E.E. Ernie, the romantic poet that he is, simply "fell in love" with Eli. And that was his criteria - you need to fall in love with your QB.
Based on taking Rivers, I would say it's safe to conclude BR was third on his list of QBs that year.
The great irony is he likely could have had the two better QBs - BR and Rivers - without giving up any compensation... ;)
What you two fail to realize is this. There is no guarantee the Giants win even one title with the other two and. We know for a fact the Giants got two with Manning. Is it possible the Giants could have been just as successful or maybe more successful with the other two? Sure. But, again that info is unknown, and is impossible to know. Going by what we know (Manning 2 titles) should give us rest from wondering. Had the Giants failed to get a title with Manning I certainly would understand the 'what if's'. In reality there isn't any reason to say 'what if'
Also, what many don't consider is it was Manning's personality that made him successful here. Rivers might of had similar success, but I think Ben might be in Jail if he was here. The New York nightlife for a predator? They threw the book at Plax pretty much ending his career for carrying a weapon and shooting himself.
I love that NYC is the death-nail to all the athletes that Â
Yes - there it is again. I have heard that a number of times... and mostly from people who have made their living evaluating talent in the NFL (as opposed to random casual football fans).
Whether or not the Giants are talented enough to make a run is another story, but upgrading your talent on offense by selecting a guy who everyone seems to agree is the best player in the draft is a step in the right direction. Especially when the alternative was taking a QB with lots of question marks just because he is a QB and we have a high pick.
The same causal fans you mention were the same one for years saying that Reese should've done more for the OLine?
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As if there is no nightlife anywhere else in the world that guys cannot get into trouble.
What about that gay mid-west nightclub scene...how come that didn't do in Aaron Rodgers yet?
Your right he didn't get accuse of sexual assault...what was I thinking. I'm sure if he was in NY instead he at least one of the multiple accusations would of went away.
I think any athlete playing today is under tremendous scrutiny for what they do on and off the field. Some of the biggest stars of the past probably couldn't handle the media as it is now. The media is bad everywhere but magnified in NY. Ben R. couldn't keep clean where he was, do you really think he would of been able to in NY?
The media is amplified in NY. That doesn't mean BR's libido Â
That really wasn't my point... My point was he got off easy doing what he did in a smaller market and in a city where things are easily forgiven. The NY media would of been relentless for what he did do. And yes I feel with his personality and what he did he probably would of been worse in a city like NY where everything is amplified.
There it is. Again.
By the way Ernie had some real stinkers with his first rounders.
We have gotten accustomed to not really having to many in recent years. Flowers being the biggest exception.
Accorsi could draft 20 Ron Daynes and 10 Brian alfords and it won't matter because he brought us Eli manning. Say what you want about accorsi, but he took over and stabilized the quarterback position by bringing in Collins and then went with his conviction in getting manning. That is what I will always remember him for
Guy basically handed 2 SB trophies on a silver platter to this fanbase by acquiring Eli and a number of others.
But hey, who wants to hear from that bum?
Only on BBI.
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and traded up for Brian Alford! Hiyooooooooooooo.
Accorsi could draft 20 Ron Daynes and 10 Brian alfords and it won't matter because he brought us Eli manning. Say what you want about accorsi, but he took over and stabilized the quarterback position by bringing in Collins and then went with his conviction in getting manning. That is what I will always remember him for
He also built the Snee/OHara/Diehl/McKenzie Oline with a 2nd round pick and ducttspe.
From what we have been used to of late, seems like magic powers.
I'll bet he knows the proper usage of "to, too or two".
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his rug must be to tight.
I'll bet he knows the proper usage of "to, too or two".
Don't waste your time on the troll.
He also built the Snee/OHara/Diehl/McKenzie Oline with a 2nd round pick and ducttspe.
From what we have been used to of late, seems like magic powers.
Very, very true.
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his rug must be to tight.
I'll bet he knows the proper usage of "to, too or two".
Don't waste your time on the troll.
a three year troll,not really.
A question I would have liked to ask him is...Why did he think that Eli hadn't played well the last couple of years? Did Ernie think it was on Eli, the OL, coaches, injuries to key players, etc.?
I wonder if Ernie would have suggested that the only Giants game he saw last year was the Philly game?
;>)
Ernie did make one comment that got me excited, by suggesting that Barkley's performance at Penn St may have hampered the team's style of offense.
Can we expect even more from Barkley than he showed in college?
But here is my main takeaway from this interview.
Accorsi absolutely thinks Eli has no excuses now. His raving about all the skill positions weapons in place, and the much needed re-built oline, certainly underscored this.
So our success is squarely on Eli's 37 year old shoulders. And from my interpretation of Accorsi' remarks, this is a playoff team.
I still struggle to see it, but it's an interesting stance...
A question I would have liked to ask him is...Why did he think that Eli hadn't played well the last couple of years? Did Ernie think it was on Eli, the OL, coaches, injuries to key players, etc.?
I wonder if Ernie would have suggested that the only Giants game he saw last year was the Philly game?
;>)
Ernie did make one comment that got me excited, by suggesting that Barkley's performance at Penn St may have hampered the team's style of offense.
Can we expect even more from Barkley than he showed in college?
I meant to type that Barkley's performance at Penn St may have BEEN hampered BY the team's style of offense.
he said Barkley
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he said Barkley
and compared Barkley to Jim Brown with the qualification that we well never see another Jim Brown/
There it is. Again.
Ok....?
Bad thing?
Carry on.
Carry on.
And ol' Toupee sure had plenty of them.
I'm glad he nailed the Eli pick, but he had been the GM for 6 seasons at that point yet almost all of his team's best players in that time were inherited from Young: Strahan, Barber, Toomer, Hamilton, Armstead, Sehorn, Stone.
His track record is decidedly mixed.
Why 'quarterback guy' Ernie Accorsi thinks Saquon Barkley is 'ideal pick' for Giants - ( New Window )
But here is my main takeaway from this interview.
Accorsi absolutely thinks Eli has no excuses now. His raving about all the skill positions weapons in place, and the much needed re-built oline, certainly underscored this.
So our success is squarely on Eli's 37 year old shoulders. And from my interpretation of Accorsi' remarks, this is a playoff team.
I still struggle to see it, but it's an interesting stance...
You really should stop. Seriously, Ive never had a problem with you but at this point you just seem to post "Jints Central" and "Eli stinks" to antagonize fellow Giants fans. Its gotten to the point where I dont even read your posts because you sound like a kid on the playground who runs up to girls to throw sand at them and then run away. Just some food for thought.
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"The Giants can make a run with Eli."
There it is. Again.
Ok....?
Bad thing?
I think that mindset is flawed, has dominated this organization since 2004 (especially since 2012), and is a big reason why we haven't been a better team since we first got Eli.
We have a new GM and a new coaching staff, but the approach feels the same.
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"The Giants can make a run with Eli."
There it is. Again.
Ok....?
Bad thing?
I think that mindset is flawed, has dominated this organization since 2004 (especially since 2012), and is a big reason why we haven't been a better team since we first got Eli.
We have a new GM and a new coaching staff, but the approach feels the same.
I'd say the approach is radically different, at least in terms of how you build a team.
Reese & Co. made more than their share of mistakes, in the draft and in free agency. Couple that with an ungodly amount of injuries - many career-ending - and I'd say that had more to do with their recent lack of success than any supposed slavish devotion to Eli Manning.
I'm not a betting man, but i would bet against you in a heartbeat. Fassel was here 6 years and I can see shurmur having similar results, if not better.
Gettleman, I can see him being here 8 - 10 years. There is no way he will be replaced in 4 years. You can barely judge this draft in 4 years.
Guy basically handed 2 SB trophies on a silver platter to this fanbase by acquiring Eli and a number of others.
But hey, who wants to hear from that bum?
Only on BBI.
Ersatz fans.
2004-2012 was a sustainable plan. Those Giant teams won 2 SB’s & made the playoffs 5 out of 8 seasons with 2 of the non playoff seasons being winning seasons. If you were disappointed in the consistency during this stretch, some blame needs to be placed on Eli.
2013-2017 was reactionary with 1 outlier successful season.
Keeping Eli in 2018 has nothing to do with chasing 1 more title. I see DG building the team for Eli to manage the game in the twilight of his career.
Terps- you’ve highlighted multiple times Eli’s replacement is unlikely to be as successful as Eli. If he can honor his contract and be successful, I don’t think it’s a crazy notion. Taking Darnold would mean moving on from Eli now, and that isn’t a no brainer either way.
Does he look or act like he is 67? I don't understand why people get so hung up on numbers. Gettleman has had no health issues (That I'm aware of) and loves what he does.
That said, I still think Eli can play. I still think he's good enough to win a title. I don't feel that way about the team, however. Given that, I'd just as soon move on and get the next phase started as quickly as possible.
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Gettleman is 67 years old.
Does he look or act like he is 67? I don't understand why people get so hung up on numbers. Gettleman has had no health issues (That I'm aware of) and loves what he does.
People get hung up on numbers because they matter. You said you think Gettleman will be here another 8-10 years...you think a 75 year old GM is a good thing?
You really should stop. Seriously, Ive never had a problem with you but at this point you just seem to post "Jints Central" and "Eli stinks" to antagonize fellow Giants fans. Its gotten to the point where I dont even read your posts because you sound like a kid on the playground who runs up to girls to throw sand at them and then run away. Just some food for thought.
Buzz off chopper. You're just as antagonizing...
You don't? I see a guy who wants to build his team "from the inside out," as opposed to Reese building his "from the outside in." I see a guy who, at least in his first Giants draft, picked players who who went where every analyst figured they would - not a reach in the bunch, and maybe even one or two steals. Need I remind you of one of JR's nicknames?
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Gettleman is 67 years old.
Does he look or act like he is 67? I don't understand why people get so hung up on numbers. Gettleman has had no health issues (That I'm aware of) and loves what he does.
People get hung up on numbers because they matter. You said you think Gettleman will be here another 8-10 years...you think a 75 year old GM is a good thing?
I think we will find out. If he goes, it will be of his own accord.
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Ernie Accorsi. Not because I think he was a great GM, but because he is such a sports romantic. The guy just loves to draw references from the good old days.
But here is my main takeaway from this interview.
Accorsi absolutely thinks Eli has no excuses now. His raving about all the skill positions weapons in place, and the much needed re-built oline, certainly underscored this.
So our success is squarely on Eli's 37 year old shoulders. And from my interpretation of Accorsi' remarks, this is a playoff team.
I still struggle to see it, but it's an interesting stance...
You really should stop. Seriously, Ive never had a problem with you but at this point you just seem to post "Jints Central" and "Eli stinks" to antagonize fellow Giants fans. Its gotten to the point where I dont even read your posts because you sound like a kid on the playground who runs up to girls to throw sand at them and then run away. Just some food for thought.
Where did I say Eli stinks?
So if you are going to squeeze some kind of cyber lemon juice on my words to make up something in your off-the-rail mind, then I agree - don't read my posts.
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Gettleman is 67 years old.
Does he look or act like he is 67? I don't understand why people get so hung up on numbers. Gettleman has had no health issues (That I'm aware of) and loves what he does.
Everybody has health issues at 67.
Ersatz fans.
Bill, I have always liked you, but that's baloney. Accorsi was a mediocre GM and a windbag with an enormous ego. I'm not a fan of his, which has absolutely nothing to do with how much I do or supposedly don't like the Giants.
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Ernie Accorsi. Not because I think he was a great GM, but because he is such a sports romantic. The guy just loves to draw references from the good old days.
But here is my main takeaway from this interview.
Accorsi absolutely thinks Eli has no excuses now. His raving about all the skill positions weapons in place, and the much needed re-built oline, certainly underscored this.
So our success is squarely on Eli's 37 year old shoulders. And from my interpretation of Accorsi' remarks, this is a playoff team.
I still struggle to see it, but it's an interesting stance...
You really should stop. Seriously, Ive never had a problem with you but at this point you just seem to post "Jints Central" and "Eli stinks" to antagonize fellow Giants fans. Its gotten to the point where I dont even read your posts because you sound like a kid on the playground who runs up to girls to throw sand at them and then run away. Just some food for thought.
Where did I say Eli stinks?
So if you are going to squeeze some kind of cyber lemon juice on my words to make up something in your off-the-rail mind, then I agree - don't read my posts.
Its tough to do that. Youre everywhere. Im just telling you you come off as increasingly more annoying. Then you come back with the puerile response of "dont like it? Don't read it."
Thought you were a better poster than that. Guess I was wrong.
There it is. Again.
Yes - there it is again. I have heard that a number of times... and mostly from people who have made their living evaluating talent in the NFL (as opposed to random casual football fans).
Whether or not the Giants are talented enough to make a run is another story, but upgrading your talent on offense by selecting a guy who everyone seems to agree is the best player in the draft is a step in the right direction. Especially when the alternative was taking a QB with lots of question marks just because he is a QB and we have a high pick.
Where did I say Eli stinks?
So if you are going to squeeze some kind of cyber lemon juice on my words to make up something in your off-the-rail mind, then I agree - don't read my posts.
Its tough to do that. Youre everywhere. Im just telling you you come off as increasingly more annoying. Then you come back with the puerile response of "dont like it? Don't read it."
Thought you were a better poster than that. Guess I was wrong.
I own up to everything I write - so I’m more than willing to be criticized and accept the criticism. In this case, the specific words you chose to associate with me are wrong.
Do I criticize Eli? I do. Do I think he’s at a point of diminishing returns? I do. Do I express that frequently? I don’t know. Maybe. I participate in the subjects I find interesting.
Most amusing to me, is this blowback I get about using the term Jints Central, a moniker for Giants ownership and management I’ve used since I started posting in the ‘90s. A phrase I read in the Daily News for many years growing up in the ‘80s and ‘90s. Basically, it’s just a handy term to condense ownership & management, nothing more than that.
So this recent attempt to make it some pejorative term about the Giants is beyond amusing. Alas, the PC culture has certainly infiltrated BBI.
a three year troll,not really.
So your stupidity is unintentional? That's unfortunate.
Well, E.E. Ernie, the romantic poet that he is, simply "fell in love" with Eli. And that was his criteria - you need to fall in love with your QB.
Based on taking Rivers, I would say it's safe to conclude BR was third on his list of QBs that year.
The great irony is he likely could have had the two better QBs - BR and Rivers - without giving up any compensation... ;)
Jon, like I said, I respect the guy. It just seems like bw goes out of the way to point out the same things over and over again in an attempt to push an agenda that aggravates many on here. If it were different view points, I wouldnt have said a thing. It just seems like the same song and dance criticizing the organization as being set in their ways (though proven wrong this offseason), continuously doubting Eli's ability to be effective again.
This is the first time I directly addressed him on it. I havent been nearly as harsh as I had with other posters who do the same thing.
Ive been over it for a while. Was just making a point.
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but the fact that he takes a million bows for trading a 1st rounder and a 3rd rounder for Eli when he could have had Roethlisberger for nothing never ceases to amuse me.
Well, E.E. Ernie, the romantic poet that he is, simply "fell in love" with Eli. And that was his criteria - you need to fall in love with your QB.
Based on taking Rivers, I would say it's safe to conclude BR was third on his list of QBs that year.
The great irony is he likely could have had the two better QBs - BR and Rivers - without giving up any compensation... ;)
What you two fail to realize is this. There is no guarantee the Giants win even one title with the other two and. We know for a fact the Giants got two with Manning. Is it possible the Giants could have been just as successful or maybe more successful with the other two? Sure. But, again that info is unknown, and is impossible to know. Going by what we know (Manning 2 titles) should give us rest from wondering. Had the Giants failed to get a title with Manning I certainly would understand the 'what if's'. In reality there isn't any reason to say 'what if'
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but the fact that he takes a million bows for trading a 1st rounder and a 3rd rounder for Eli when he could have had Roethlisberger for nothing never ceases to amuse me.
Well, E.E. Ernie, the romantic poet that he is, simply "fell in love" with Eli. And that was his criteria - you need to fall in love with your QB.
Based on taking Rivers, I would say it's safe to conclude BR was third on his list of QBs that year.
The great irony is he likely could have had the two better QBs - BR and Rivers - without giving up any compensation... ;)
What you two fail to realize is this. There is no guarantee the Giants win even one title with the other two and. We know for a fact the Giants got two with Manning. Is it possible the Giants could have been just as successful or maybe more successful with the other two? Sure. But, again that info is unknown, and is impossible to know. Going by what we know (Manning 2 titles) should give us rest from wondering. Had the Giants failed to get a title with Manning I certainly would understand the 'what if's'. In reality there isn't any reason to say 'what if'
Also, what many don't consider is it was Manning's personality that made him successful here. Rivers might of had similar success, but I think Ben might be in Jail if he was here. The New York nightlife for a predator? They threw the book at Plax pretty much ending his career for carrying a weapon and shooting himself.
As if there is no nightlife anywhere else in the world that guys cannot get into trouble.
What about that gay mid-west nightclub scene...how come that didn't do in Aaron Rodgers yet?
There it is. Again.
It will probably be evident this year why the game has passed Acorsi by. Eventually it happens.
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"The Giants can make a run with Eli."
There it is. Again.
Yes - there it is again. I have heard that a number of times... and mostly from people who have made their living evaluating talent in the NFL (as opposed to random casual football fans).
Whether or not the Giants are talented enough to make a run is another story, but upgrading your talent on offense by selecting a guy who everyone seems to agree is the best player in the draft is a step in the right direction. Especially when the alternative was taking a QB with lots of question marks just because he is a QB and we have a high pick.
The same causal fans you mention were the same one for years saying that Reese should've done more for the OLine?
As if there is no nightlife anywhere else in the world that guys cannot get into trouble.
What about that gay mid-west nightclub scene...how come that didn't do in Aaron Rodgers yet?
Your right he didn't get accuse of sexual assault...what was I thinking. I'm sure if he was in NY instead he at least one of the multiple accusations would of went away.
Doesn't matter...
Doesn't matter...
That really wasn't my point... My point was he got off easy doing what he did in a smaller market and in a city where things are easily forgiven. The NY media would of been relentless for what he did do. And yes I feel with his personality and what he did he probably would of been worse in a city like NY where everything is amplified.