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Pep22 : 5/9/2018 8:57 am
I am very pleased with Mills/Perry and their apparent direction (no short cuts, long term outlook geared towards sustainable success, no pressure from above to grab headlines on what would be ill-advised moves).

Perry seems like a good basketball man.

There is a clear sense of hard work towards long term goals. This is a major break from the laziness of the Jackson regime.

Fizdale - love everything about this guy. Namely:

-Understands how to deliver a message whether the audience is media, players or other. --& gt; Aside: I hated the way Hornacek communicated. Despite being a smart guy, he failed to connect with players and his weird smile when talking about unpleasant things i.e. losses, bad play, poor effort...was odd and disturbing.

-Demands high level fitness, which having endured the Melo era, is a welcome change.

-Has the respect of so many noteworthy people. The fact that he subscribes to the Pat Riley way is a very positive attribute in my book.

-The fact that he understands what is successful in today's NBA is huge and a distinct break from the prior regime (Hornacek, PJax etc.).
I wasn't over impressed at first  
Eli Wilson : 5/9/2018 9:07 am : link
But after watching the press conference, he seems like a good dude. I think he'll be good for a young team.

He needs to learn how to throw a baseball, though, that 1st pitch at the Yankee game last night wasn't very good.
The takeaway for me was that the mgmt and the coach seemed  
Heisenberg : 5/9/2018 9:09 am : link
to fit together really well. And that Fizdale seemed to really want the job and be happy to be here. Steps in the direction of building a functional basketball organization.

At a minimum, the interpersonal dysfunction seems to be the lowest in many many years. The play on the court will show if these are the right guys to build a team.
I was impressed with mills  
nygiants16 : 5/9/2018 9:12 am : link
He gets a lot of shit, deservedly slow but he was precise and diligent on this coaching search. The fact he was calling other teams, players and other coaches to get a good sense about each coach was inpressive...

Let's just hope the actions back up the words...

Could you imagine hornacek calling out a player like fizdale did with hornacek?
Like fizdale did with mudiay  
nygiants16 : 5/9/2018 9:12 am : link
..
I still have reservations...  
aimrocky : 5/9/2018 9:16 am : link
Fizdale was probably my 2nd or 3rd choice (Bud was the clear #1, Blatt and Fiz were a close 2 & 3). The Perry moves so far have been neutral. Nothing that he's done screams that we're in great shape with him at the wheel.
RE: I still have reservations...  
nygiants16 : 5/9/2018 9:27 am : link
In comment 13958925 aimrocky said:
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Fizdale was probably my 2nd or 3rd choice (Bud was the clear #1, Blatt and Fiz were a close 2 & 3). The Perry moves so far have been neutral. Nothing that he's done screams that we're in great shape with him at the wheel.


Bud wants 8 million and power in front office...

I agree I was ok with either blatt or fizdale
Pretty good article from Tommy Beer about Fizdale's conference  
Heisenberg : 5/9/2018 9:29 am : link
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what is the $ on Fiz's 4 year deal  
Pep22 : 5/9/2018 9:39 am : link
?
Mills as a speaker is impressive  
Carl in CT : 5/9/2018 9:52 am : link
As a talent evaluator....
I don't think we learn much from introductory press conferences.  
Ira : 5/9/2018 9:59 am : link
We really won't get much of a sense of how good a coach Fizdale is until November and December.
RE: I don't think we learn much from introductory press conferences.  
Greg from LI : 5/9/2018 10:04 am : link
In comment 13958987 Ira said:
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We really won't get much of a sense of how good a coach Fizdale is until November and December.


Agreed. I have no idea why anyone bothers paying attention to those dog and pony shows.
Fizdale  
DanMetroMan : 5/9/2018 10:06 am : link
agrees that Frank is too unselish.
My Thoughts on the Knicks braintrust  
Pete44 : 5/9/2018 10:13 am : link
Mills seems to want to do the right thing, but can he make the right decisions

Perry's moves have not been good or bad and sadly that is an improvement over his predecessors

Fizdale will be a good or bad coach mainly based on the roster, but he seemed a bit more charismatic and communicative than the recent coaches and that might serve him well. I like them going to Pat Riley.
Lottery  
TyreeHelmet : 5/9/2018 10:22 am : link
If the Knicks beat the odds and win the lottery who do you want 1st?
RE: Lottery  
dep026 : 5/9/2018 10:26 am : link
In comment 13959023 TyreeHelmet said:
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If the Knicks beat the odds and win the lottery who do you want 1st?


You take Ayton and have your 4/5 spot set for a decade. The rim protection would be asinine.

If you get the 2nd pick, you take Donacic.
If you have the 3rd pick, many would want Bagley, but I think you get Mamba. Perfect fit for Porz.
RE: RE: Lottery  
nygiants16 : 5/9/2018 10:30 am : link
In comment 13959030 dep026 said:
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In comment 13959023 TyreeHelmet said:


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If the Knicks beat the odds and win the lottery who do you want 1st?



You take Ayton and have your 4/5 spot set for a decade. The rim protection would be asinine.

If you get the 2nd pick, you take Donacic.
If you have the 3rd pick, many would want Bagley, but I think you get Mamba. Perfect fit for Porz.


I go porter 3rd, people are sleeping on him because he missed the year last year...

I think if they are 1 they go doncic, fizdale wants to play fast and small..
Porter is an x-factor  
dep026 : 5/9/2018 10:34 am : link
but seems like a selfish player to me. And defensively, I dont know if he believes in it.

At least with Mo, you know you will get blocked shots, and boards. Maybe a better Clint Capela?
seems like a mortal lock  
Pep22 : 5/9/2018 10:39 am : link
we get 9 and Mikal Bridges
Lottery  
TyreeHelmet : 5/9/2018 10:40 am : link
If by some miracle they get the 1st pick, I may look into trading down. Preferably a team in the top 3-5 that falls in love with Ayton. You try to get bounty of picks/players from them or dump some shitty contracts on them.

For example- if Knicks are picking 1st and Phoenix 2nd, would you trade down to dump Noah and grab another 1st from them?

Or
Would you trade the 1st for the Suns 2nd/ 16th/ 31st?

All hypothetical and highly unlikely but fun to discuss.
RE: Porter is an x-factor  
giantsfan44ab : 5/9/2018 10:40 am : link
In comment 13959039 dep026 said:
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but seems like a selfish player to me. And defensively, I dont know if he believes in it.

At least with Mo, you know you will get blocked shots, and boards. Maybe a better Clint Capela?


Wouldn't hate Bamba, I don't think he's as athletic as Capela but you offset that with the 3 point shooting.

I think I'd prefer Jaren Jackson, already a much more polished shooter and I think you can push the pace with him at the 5 as opposed to Bamba. He's a perfect small ball 5.
RE: seems like a mortal lock  
nygiants16 : 5/9/2018 10:40 am : link
In comment 13959046 Pep22 said:
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we get 9 and Mikal Bridges


Dont underestimate miles and knox...

Fizdale is going to want a guy who can play the 3 and 4 and he wants to run
I hate how easy it is to get a good big man  
giantsfan44ab : 5/9/2018 10:49 am : link
in FA. Much rather gamble on a wing unless it's a star big. Ayton is fine, but I'd much rather risk it on Doncic/Porter/Bridgeses. You can trade back with Chicago and get Portis, with SAC and get Skal/WCS. Can also sign guys like Favors, Dedmon or Noel to a 1-year high $ number, or go for Randle, Capela, or Nurkic for RFAs if Kanter opts out.
Mikal  
Jon in NYC : 5/9/2018 10:56 am : link
Bridges would be awesome. A great fit with what we have and the kind of team we're trying to build.
RE: seems like a mortal lock  
Justlurking : 5/9/2018 10:59 am : link
In comment 13959046 Pep22 said:
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we get 9 and Mikal Bridges


Cannot take him IMO. Need to draft upside here. KP gonna be out all season - need to go in full tank/upside mode in the hope of getting another high pick the following year. Bridges is a high floor low ceiling guy. Need to roll the dice on one of the 18/19 year olds.
RE: RE: seems like a mortal lock  
giantsfan44ab : 5/9/2018 11:00 am : link
In comment 13959070 Justlurking said:
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we get 9 and Mikal Bridges



Cannot take him IMO. Need to draft upside here. KP gonna be out all season - need to go in full tank/upside mode in the hope of getting another high pick the following year. Bridges is a high floor low ceiling guy. Need to roll the dice on one of the 18/19 year olds.


45% high volume 3 point shooting and elite man and help defense considered low ceiling nowadays?
RE: RE: seems like a mortal lock  
TyreeHelmet : 5/9/2018 11:02 am : link
In comment 13959070 Justlurking said:
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we get 9 and Mikal Bridges



Cannot take him IMO. Need to draft upside here. KP gonna be out all season - need to go in full tank/upside mode in the hope of getting another high pick the following year. Bridges is a high floor low ceiling guy. Need to roll the dice on one of the 18/19 year olds.


I would not describe Mikal Bridges this way.
I think the Bulls will do everything in their power  
dep026 : 5/9/2018 11:04 am : link
to get Bamba. Seems like the perfect fit for Markhanan.
while  
Pep22 : 5/9/2018 11:05 am : link
a bit shorter...Mikal Bridges to me is an Otto Porter type player
I have no confidence in Fizdale  
twostepgiants : 5/9/2018 11:07 am : link
He is a players coach who was fired for feuding with his best player

He took a team that was 7 straight playoffs and held serve one year and then wheels fell off year 2.

There is no track record here.

He was an assistant coach on Miami where he was buddy-buddy with the LeBron-Wade-Bosh big 3. I get nothing out of that. His whole rep comes from there

The whole data rant was self serving, immature and ineffective. He blamed a 14 point playoff loss on officiating.

Fizdale is a complete and utter crapshoot. I dont get this hire at all.

RE: while  
giantsfan44ab : 5/9/2018 11:12 am : link
In comment 13959080 Pep22 said:
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a bit shorter...Mikal Bridges to me is an Otto Porter type player


Porter is turning out to be pretty good but I think Bridges has another gear defensively.

To me, I look at the Celtics, Bucks and Sixers and I think who is going to guard Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Simmons, Giannis and Middleton without hurting you on offense and I see Mikal Bridges maybe falling to 8-9, I don't know many players I'd take over him there.
RE: I have no confidence in Fizdale  
DanMetroMan : 5/9/2018 11:15 am : link
In comment 13959082 twostepgiants said:
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He is a players coach who was fired for feuding with his best player

He took a team that was 7 straight playoffs and held serve one year and then wheels fell off year 2.

There is no track record here.

He was an assistant coach on Miami where he was buddy-buddy with the LeBron-Wade-Bosh big 3. I get nothing out of that. His whole rep comes from there

The whole data rant was self serving, immature and ineffective. He blamed a 14 point playoff loss on officiating.

Fizdale is a complete and utter crapshoot. I dont get this hire at all.


Guess we are tossing out arguably his best (and certainly #2) player missed...70....70 games. That roster was absolutely, positively... HORRENDOUS.

Top 5 in minutes played of guys who appeared in at least 50 games


Gasol, Tyreke Evans (missed 30 games), Dillon Brooks, Green (missed 27 games), Andrew Harrison.
RE: I have no confidence in Fizdale  
nygiants16 : 5/9/2018 11:16 am : link
In comment 13959082 twostepgiants said:
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He is a players coach who was fired for feuding with his best player

He took a team that was 7 straight playoffs and held serve one year and then wheels fell off year 2.

There is no track record here.

He was an assistant coach on Miami where he was buddy-buddy with the LeBron-Wade-Bosh big 3. I get nothing out of that. His whole rep comes from there

The whole data rant was self serving, immature and ineffective. He blamed a 14 point playoff loss on officiating.

Fizdale is a complete and utter crapshoot. I dont get this hire at all.


That Memphis team was on its last legs and when Conley got hurt it went to shit...

Oh and dont forget Gasol tried to get joerger fired over and over again until he left...

There is a reason coaches do not stay there very long...

You realize he was an assistant for a long time in atlanta as well right? Where he helped develop guys like Horford and milsap...

He also helped develop guys like josh Richardson and Tyler Johnson in miami...

He had a feud with 1 player and that means he is not a players coach anymore? Do some research before you rant....
RE: RE: while  
Pep22 : 5/9/2018 11:21 am : link
In comment 13959088 giantsfan44ab said:
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a bit shorter...Mikal Bridges to me is an Otto Porter type player



Porter is turning out to be pretty good but I think Bridges has another gear defensively.

To me, I look at the Celtics, Bucks and Sixers and I think who is going to guard Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Simmons, Giannis and Middleton without hurting you on offense and I see Mikal Bridges maybe falling to 8-9, I don't know many players I'd take over him there.


Well said. One concern I have is that he never seemed to add any muscle at Nova. Makes you wonder if he has the capacity to get strong enough.
two guys  
Pep22 : 5/9/2018 11:45 am : link
I'd avoid in this draft:

Wendell Carter - seems a bit slow and mechanical
Trey Young - we have a ton of PGs and he also lacks some athleticism
Really  
DanMetroMan : 5/9/2018 11:49 am : link
surprised how many mocks have Carter over Bamba. Bamba and KP could be a NASTY combo.
RE: Really  
Pep22 : 5/9/2018 11:53 am : link
In comment 13959155 DanMetroMan said:
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surprised how many mocks have Carter over Bamba. Bamba and KP could be a NASTY combo.


Agreed but suspect that will reverse itself in the coming weeks. Carter to me = Trey Lyles which doesn't excite me.
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DanMetroMan : 5/9/2018 11:54 am : link
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The New York Knicks brought in Georgetown center Jessie Govan for a workout earlier this week. Govan, who was coached by Patrick Ewing this season, averaged 17.9 points and 10.0 rebounds for the Hoyas in his junior season. He declared for the draft without signing with an agent.
I would think that Michael Porter Jr. would offer more upside than  
Anakim : 5/9/2018 11:59 am : link
either Bridges. Why isn't he being talked about? With his back injury and his lackluster performance after he came back from injury, maybe he'll slide.
I don't think POrter  
giantsfan44ab : 5/9/2018 12:02 pm : link
ends up sliding that far.
The Fritzdale Experience  
ghost718 : 5/9/2018 12:45 pm : link
You can remove the podium and add bar stools,but it's still the same shit.

RE: .  
kash94 : 5/9/2018 1:48 pm : link
In comment 13959160 DanMetroMan said:
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The New York Knicks brought in Georgetown center Jessie Govan for a workout earlier this week. Govan, who was coached by Patrick Ewing this season, averaged 17.9 points and 10.0 rebounds for the Hoyas in his junior season. He declared for the draft without signing with an agent.


Interesting! I'm a Georgetown fan so watched every game of his. He's definitely an interesting guy (solid passer and shooter for a big man), but a bit of a tweener between a 4-5.

I didn't hire an agent yet I believe though so he may be going back to school.
.  
DanMetroMan : 5/9/2018 2:19 pm : link
Get ready for a full season without Kristaps Porzingis, Knicks fans, Walt Clyde Frazier predicts.

The legendary Knick isnt expecting to see the 7-foot-3 Latvian on the floor after tearing the ACL in his left knee Feb. 6 and undergoing surgery a week later.

I dont see him playing next year, the MSG Network analyst said Tuesday at BTIG Charity Day in Manhattan.

At the time of the surgery, sources indicated the 22-year-old Porzingis would be out 10 to 12 months.

So thats around January, February, Frazier said. Unless the Knicks are in the playoff hunt, I dont see him playing next year.

Good  
giantsfan44ab : 5/9/2018 2:26 pm : link
Knicks can add 2 top picks (hopefully top 5 next year) and 2 max players to the group of KP, Frank, Burke and THJR by the time Porzingis plays a full season again
No point in rushing KP  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 5/9/2018 2:52 pm : link
back to be honest.
I see 7 players before Bamba  
Carl in CT : 5/9/2018 3:05 pm : link
Ayton, Bagley, Carter, Doncic, Jackson, Young and Porter
Michael Porter Jr.  
elisha2014 : 5/9/2018 3:34 pm : link
was highly regarded as the #1 prospect in this draft and Bridges was the best player on a championship team.

Bridges may be a better all around player right now but Porter has more potential as an all-star given his age and lack of seasoning.

Bridges will be 22 when training camp starts as well so I'd lean Porter.
RE: Lottery  
djm : 5/9/2018 3:40 pm : link
In comment 13959023 TyreeHelmet said:
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If the Knicks beat the odds and win the lottery who do you want 1st?


Lol
RE: I see 7 players before Bamba  
DanMetroMan : 5/9/2018 3:42 pm : link
In comment 13959460 Carl in CT said:
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Ayton, Bagley, Carter, Doncic, Jackson, Young and Porter


I don't strongly disagree but workout could easily have Bamba ahead of both Carter and Young. Bamba has a very, very intriguing skillset and is a very intelligent player.
Fizdale on with Francesa  
Chris684 : 5/9/2018 3:50 pm : link
Just said Lance Thomas is a "swiss army knife" and likened him to Draymond Green.

Yippee!
Dan I agree  
Carl in CT : 5/9/2018 3:55 pm : link
Just see a limited offensive game from Bamba. That could change as he is still very young.
RE: Fizdale on with Francesa  
bceagle05 : 5/9/2018 3:55 pm : link
In comment 13959498 Chris684 said:
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Just said Lance Thomas is a "swiss army knife" and likened him to Draymond Green.

Yippee!


Hahahahahaha
RE: Fizdale on with Francesa  
Enzo : 5/9/2018 3:57 pm : link
In comment 13959498 Chris684 said:
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Just said Lance Thomas is a "swiss army knife" and likened him to Draymond Green.

Yippee!

I'm just going to pretend he didn't say that.

RE: Dan I agree  
DanMetroMan : 5/9/2018 4:24 pm : link
In comment 13959504 Carl in CT said:
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Just see a limited offensive game from Bamba. That could change as he is still very young.


I think Bamba has a legit shot at developing 3 point range and I love how high IQ he is to go with his physical gifts. He and KP could be scary for teams with their height/length.
RE: No point in rushing KP  
TyreeHelmet : 5/9/2018 4:24 pm : link
In comment 13959443 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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back to be honest.


Totally agree. Id give him the Paul George treatment and let him come back at the end of the season for some game reps- but be very very cautious.

It sucks but tanking next year is probably the best course. Without KP this roster is probably the worst in the league anyway.
I think the Knicks should keep KP out all season too,  
Keith : 5/9/2018 4:30 pm : link
but it has nothing to do with his knee. They can use that as an excuse, but he will be healed by November. They see what Philly is doing and has done and we should mimic that.
Much as I opposed the Fizdale hire  
Phil in LA : 5/9/2018 4:33 pm : link
he said all the right things yesterday, and threw out the first pitch at the Yankee game, so I'm now pulling for him.
If the Knicks do end up getting a big  
giantsfan44ab : 5/9/2018 4:40 pm : link
In the draft, Id look at smart in FA. Obviously dont over pay and I know his shooting numbers arent great but he makes teams win more games. He can legitimately guard 3 positions and rebounds and passes well. When his 3 point shot falls hes an elite player. If Burke can sustain his offensive game, the Knicks can make up for defense with Frank, smart, KP and Bamba.

Obviously wouldnt help a tank though.
I think it's likely that KP gets some game action later in the year.  
yatqb : 5/9/2018 6:26 pm : link
It not only lets him gain confidence but shows potential FAs that he's back and healthy.
RE: Fizdale on with Francesa  
BigBlueShock : 5/9/2018 7:10 pm : link
In comment 13959498 Chris684 said:
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Just said Lance Thomas is a "swiss army knife" and likened him to Draymond Green.

Yippee!

Lance Thomas is comparable to Draymond Green like I am to LeBron James.
RE: I think the Knicks should keep KP out all season too,  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/9/2018 7:11 pm : link
In comment 13959557 Keith said:
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but it has nothing to do with his knee. They can use that as an excuse, but he will be healed by November. They see what Philly is doing and has done and we should mimic that.

You cant do that. Hold a player out the whole season because you want to tank? KP would file a grievance and most certainly walk when his contract is up, and rightfully so.
RE: RE: Fizdale on with Francesa  
nygiants16 : 5/9/2018 7:59 pm : link
In comment 13959655 BigBlueShock said:
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Just said Lance Thomas is a "swiss army knife" and likened him to Draymond Green.

Yippee!


Lance Thomas is comparable to Draymond Green like I am to LeBron James.


I cant stand lance Thomas but fizdale is not going to bad mouth any player ok n the roster
RE: RE: RE: Fizdale on with Francesa  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 5/9/2018 8:21 pm : link
In comment 13959697 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 13959498 Chris684 said:


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Just said Lance Thomas is a "swiss army knife" and likened him to Draymond Green.

Yippee!


Lance Thomas is comparable to Draymond Green like I am to LeBron James.



I cant stand lance Thomas but fizdale is not going to bad mouth any player ok n the roster


You're a good poster. But my god you suck at typing.
Haha damn touch screen on my phone  
nygiants16 : 5/9/2018 8:25 pm : link
And I post to fast and I dont check
RE: RE: I think the Knicks should keep KP out all season too,  
giantsfan44ab : 5/9/2018 11:03 pm : link
In comment 13959658 Jim in Fairfax said:
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but it has nothing to do with his knee. They can use that as an excuse, but he will be healed by November. They see what Philly is doing and has done and we should mimic that.


You cant do that. Hold a player out the whole season because you want to tank? KP would file a grievance and most certainly walk when his contract is up, and rightfully so.


Pacers did it with PG, Philly did it with Simmons and Embiid. Porzingis is coming of an acl injury, if he plays it will be for limited minutes and lots of DNPs. Lets not overreact here.
Colin Sexton  
RAIN : 5/10/2018 12:49 pm : link
Is my guy at 9, unless Bomba and/or Young are available. Gilgeous Alexander is really interesting as well.

Mikal Bridges is very intriguing as glue guy and 3/D, but his lack of quickness scares me against the Uber athletic wings he will see in the league.

RE: Colin Sexton  
giantsfan44ab : 5/10/2018 12:57 pm : link
In comment 13960313 RAIN said:
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Is my guy at 9, unless Bomba and/or Young are available. Gilgeous Alexander is really interesting as well.

Mikal Bridges is very intriguing as glue guy and 3/D, but his lack of quickness scares me against the Uber athletic wings he will see in the league.


Sexton is surely talented, but the NBA is filled with talented PGs. What skills allow Sexton to become an elite, or even top 15 PG? He wasn't prolific from beyond the arc, his usage rate was more than 50% of SGA's and averaged more TOs and half the assists...that's alarming even for a "one man show" offense (and Bama was a solid team overall). Pairing Sexton with Frank in the backcourt is a scary proposition to me in the chance neither becomes an elite 3 point shooter. You would be going in the exact opposite direction of the NBA at that point. I'd be more comfortable with SGA or Young if the Knicks are going PG (which I don't think they should).
I would love Sexton  
Heisenberg : 5/10/2018 1:33 pm : link
I've loved that kid since the Minnesota game where he nearly dragged them to a comeback playing 3 on 5. Sure, the Knicks "have a lot of guards" but they've had the worst backcourts in the NBA for 15+ years now. I'd love to have too many good guards.
I'd rank the NYK choices as follows:  
Pep22 : 5/10/2018 1:40 pm : link
1 Bagley - ultimate compliment to KP, tireless worker, will be a great defender/rebounder plus score it effeciently from inside

2 Bamba - I have him > Ayton but both are extraordinary big prospects

3 Ayton

4 Doncic

5 Porter if healthy

6 Jackson

7 Mikal Bridges

8 SGA

9 Zhaire Smith
Sexton  
Jon in NYC : 5/10/2018 1:41 pm : link
would be an awful pick. They want a wing and there should be wings available.
Bagley is an AWFUL  
dep026 : 5/10/2018 1:47 pm : link
defender. One of the reasons why duke had to go Zone.
I  
DanMetroMan : 5/10/2018 1:51 pm : link
predict Bamba goes a lot higher than people think. He's active, ridiculously long, has range from as deep the 3 point line, really intelligent, hard worker. Enough comparing him to lame brained Noel. This kid with KP could be a nasty, nasty combo.
Ive done a complete 180 on Bagley  
giantsfan44ab : 5/10/2018 2:23 pm : link
I have no doubt hell be a big time scorer in the league, but I want solid 2 way players to fill out the rest of the roster. In the chance he never becomes a reliable shooter or good defender youre looking at Brandan Wright.

Im with Jon, need a wing. The bigs Id be OK with are JJJ, Ayton and Bamba. Ayton had a bad defensive year too but he gives you spacing on offense and has the size to give him an edge defensively over Bagley.

I like Carter, more so than Bagley, wouldnt hate him but Id def go with one of the wings (Porter, doncic, Bridgeses).
I'm  
Jon in NYC : 5/10/2018 2:37 pm : link
pretty sure it's Bridgi
Carter  
Pep22 : 5/10/2018 2:46 pm : link
is one of a few I don't care for.

Strikes me as a Trey Lyles type. Solid skills but athletically ordinary.
Knicks draft  
ghost718 : 5/10/2018 2:50 pm : link
I like

Doncic - Probably won't be there
Troy Brown - Comparisons range from Evan Turner or Paul Pierce,I tend to lean more towards Pierce
Wendell Carter - I also like him more than Bagley
Trae Young - Not sure he fits our defensive team,tough to see him not being a good player.Excellent passer

2nd round

Jevon Carter - This guy is right off the 90's teams
Elie Okobo
RE: Carter  
giantsfan44ab : 5/10/2018 3:04 pm : link
In comment 13960434 Pep22 said:
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is one of a few I don't care for.

Strikes me as a Trey Lyles type. Solid skills but athletically ordinary.


Trey Lyles had a killer season this year (still only 22). I can't say I watched a whole lot of NCAA aside from the tournament, but from scouting videos/reports I'm seeing that Carter moves really well for a big. He's 260, 35 pounds more than Lyles. He'll assuredly lose weight in the NBA, which makes me interested in his athletic upside. If he moved well as a 260 pound human then I remain optimistic if he loses 10-15 pounds.

The comp I'm seeing with him is Derrick Favors, not a rim protector but a good individual defender. Carter also is a promising 3 point shooter and passer. If he ends up being a decent defender he is as modern of a big as you can find.
Carter  
Pep22 : 5/10/2018 3:10 pm : link
I'm hoping for a better athlete, probably a wing since the elite BIGs will be gone
RE: Carter  
giantsfan44ab : 5/10/2018 3:21 pm : link
In comment 13960471 Pep22 said:
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I'm hoping for a better athlete, probably a wing since the elite BIGs will be gone


Same, just think Carter is a better defensive player than Bagley. As draymond shows, being explosive doesn't really correlate to good defense. Carter also has an NBA offensive game that I don't see with Bagley.

I like JJJ out of all the bigs, he is both athletic and flashes great defensive ability (needs to tone down the aggression) and is both a lob target and floor spacer on offense, which is a rarity.
Gimme  
DanMetroMan : 5/10/2018 3:22 pm : link
Musa round 2 (if he somehow falls).
Really  
giantsfan44ab : 5/10/2018 3:24 pm : link
I'm pretty much fine with anyone outside Bagley, Young and Sexton
What about diallo second round?  
nygiants16 : 5/10/2018 3:25 pm : link
Risk high reward type of player you take in 2nd
Still catching up on the lottery/1st round talents  
giantsfan44ab : 5/10/2018 3:34 pm : link
I was a fan of Bruce Brown from Miami last year, but he seemed to regress a little, shot 25% from 3.

I like the whole lot of Kansas prospects. Graham, Newman and the Russian kid. Probably all role players but have translatable NBA skills.

I hate Grayson Allen but should be a role player, plus it would be hilarious having him on your team just to piss off other teams/fans.
The guy  
Jon in NYC : 5/10/2018 3:37 pm : link
I want is Trevon Duval. I think his game was an awful fit at Duke and he'll be a better pro than college player. He has bounce like Young Derrick Rose.
Also Jontay porter  
giantsfan44ab : 5/10/2018 3:38 pm : link
(Michael Porter's brother) is an ideal modern 5, but I'm seeing him in the 1st round in mocks.
The  
Jon in NYC : 5/10/2018 3:39 pm : link
guy I want in the 2nd, to clarify.
RE: Still catching up on the lottery/1st round talents  
nygiants16 : 5/10/2018 3:44 pm : link
In comment 13960492 giantsfan44ab said:
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I was a fan of Bruce Brown from Miami last year, but he seemed to regress a little, shot 25% from 3.

I like the whole lot of Kansas prospects. Graham, Newman and the Russian kid. Probably all role players but have translatable NBA skills.

I hate Grayson Allen but should be a role player, plus it would be hilarious having him on your team just to piss off other teams/fans.


Loved watching Graham play, reminds me a little bit of rozier, not a pure point but he is going to go out there knock down 3s and play as hard as he can and just be a pain for the other team...
Im surprised Graham stayed in school  
giantsfan44ab : 5/10/2018 3:53 pm : link
as long as he did, I think he could've slipped into the first after his sophomore year.
If you could guarantee  
djm : 5/10/2018 7:13 pm : link
That kps long term health wont be compromised the knee thing might be a weird blessing in the long run. We all shouted that theory down the week the injury occurred but it stands to reason that the Knicks wont be anything special next year on their best day and the whole tank thing does make sense. You might even be able to hold off signing KP for that extra year and gain more space but that sounds like a pipe dream.

Just tell me he comes back fine and the injury wont really hurt in the grand scheme. Could even be a boon if they caught the right lotto draft pick as a result.

Ive made peace with another shitty season but I actually enjoyed watching the Knicks down the stretch this season because of frank and Burke and the other younger players. They will have even more young talent next year so the season should be somewhat interesting no matter what. And by seasons end, maybe KP comes back for a few games, could be fun.

Thats all I got, trying to find something to hold on to....
Fizdale insisting on conditioning...  
manh george : 5/10/2018 7:31 pm : link
could be intriguing wrt Mudiay. A lot of observers seemed to believe that the biggest problem with Mudiay was lack of sufficient conditioning.

In the draft, I assume we don't move up in the lottery, in which case the logical selection is a sf. I would guess Mikal Bridges. I hate the idea of going pg as some mocks still have us doing. We badly need a wing, and I want to see what Frank looks like after a full off-season of strength training.
RE: Fizdale insisting on conditioning...  
nygiants16 : 5/10/2018 8:08 pm : link
In comment 13960658 manh george said:
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could be intriguing wrt Mudiay. A lot of observers seemed to believe that the biggest problem with Mudiay was lack of sufficient conditioning.

In the draft, I assume we don't move up in the lottery, in which case the logical selection is a sf. I would guess Mikal Bridges. I hate the idea of going pg as some mocks still have us doing. We badly need a wing, and I want to see what Frank looks like after a full off-season of strength training.


Hopefully he can use the miami school in conditioning
RE: Gimme  
Anakim : 5/10/2018 8:29 pm : link
In comment 13960482 DanMetroMan said:
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Musa round 2 (if he somehow falls).



I think the sleeper in all of this is Mitchell Robinson. He is insanely athletic for a 5. From the sounds of it, he reminds of a young Tyson Chandler and a better version of WCS.
Issue with Mudiay is  
giantsfan44ab : 5/11/2018 9:22 am : link
his hitch. Even when hes passing or making a layup its there. They got A season to take a look but Im keeping Burke over mudiay at this point
RE: I  
djm : 5/11/2018 10:22 am : link
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predict Bamba goes a lot higher than people think. He's active, ridiculously long, has range from as deep the 3 point line, really intelligent, hard worker. Enough comparing him to lame brained Noel. This kid with KP could be a nasty, nasty combo.


I dont think theres a chance in hell bamba slips to the knicks if the lottery goes according to chalk. Someones gonna fall in love with his potential. Probably more than one team will.
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giantsfan44ab : 5/11/2018 10:48 am : link
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predict Bamba goes a lot higher than people think. He's active, ridiculously long, has range from as deep the 3 point line, really intelligent, hard worker. Enough comparing him to lame brained Noel. This kid with KP could be a nasty, nasty combo.



I dont think theres a chance in hell bamba slips to the knicks if the lottery goes according to chalk. Someones gonna fall in love with his potential. Probably more than one team will.


You really think 5 centers go in the top 8 picks? I guess there is somewhat of a need for big men by all the top teams that are picking. I certainly hope thats the case.
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Wow.  
Anakim : 5/11/2018 11:24 am : link
Adrian Wojnarowski

Verified account

@wojespn

Toronto has fired coach Dwane Casey, league source tells ESPN.
RE: Wow.  
nygiants16 : 5/11/2018 11:29 am : link
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Adrian Wojnarowski

Verified account

@wojespn

Toronto has fired coach Dwane Casey, league source tells ESPN.



Can not get rid of the overpaid players, so have to get rid of coach of the year...

Makes sense
Toronto always has outperformed their talent level  
giantsfan44ab : 5/11/2018 11:31 am : link
maybe some specific coaching in the playoffs led to his fall. Lowry and Derozan were basically backup quality for their first few years in the league. Derozan transformed drastically, but I'd still argue that Toronto doesn't have a top 20 player on their roster and has been a top seed in the East the past few years. Obviously talent gets exposed in the playoffs.
Wonder if the ol' switcheroo is in the cards  
Anakim : 5/11/2018 11:31 am : link
SVG to Toronto; Casey to Detroit
I'd rather have Casey than Fizdale  
Greg from LI : 5/11/2018 11:35 am : link
Oh well
RE: Wonder if the ol' switcheroo is in the cards  
nygiants16 : 5/11/2018 11:37 am : link
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SVG to Toronto; Casey to Detroit


Stan van gundy is awful, I dont know how he keeps getting jobs
Ugh, this would suck  
Anakim : 5/11/2018 11:37 am : link
Kevin O'Connor

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@KevinOConnorNBA

Watch out for Mike Budenholzer as the next Raptors head coach...
RE: RE: Wonder if the ol' switcheroo is in the cards  
giantsfan44ab : 5/11/2018 11:42 am : link
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SVG to Toronto; Casey to Detroit



Stan van gundy is awful, I dont know how he keeps getting jobs


I actually like how he uses lineups, putting a traditional big surrounded by shooters and going inside-out. Unfortunately Drummond hasn't yet developed into a dominant enough scorer and D12 wasn't ever a good passer.

His GM-ing got in the way of his talent and the Griffin trade was a desperation haul. He trusted Reggie Jackson way too much for too long. If Detroit landed Mitchell things would've been a lot different.
Giants fan but that is my point  
nygiants16 : 5/11/2018 11:46 am : link
He created offenses surrounding bigs that were flawed offensively...

I have no problem with a spread it out with a big in the middle but it has to be the right big...

It is exactly what I hope fizdale does with kp, surround him with defenders and shooters with a penetrator
RE: Giants fan but that is my point  
giantsfan44ab : 5/11/2018 11:52 am : link
In comment 13961047 nygiants16 said:
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He created offenses surrounding bigs that were flawed offensively...

I have no problem with a spread it out with a big in the middle but it has to be the right big...

It is exactly what I hope fizdale does with kp, surround him with defenders and shooters with a penetrator


One of his teams went to the Finals. Like Toronto, he outperformed what he was given. Drummond looks to be turning the corner but is still young. Reggie Jackson is a below average starting PG.

Detroit's draft picks over the past 4 years were Kennard (who is fine, nothing special though), Stanley Johnson and Henry Ellenson. in 2014 they didn't have a pick which would have been 9th because they traded for Corey maggette a few years earlier.

SVG deserves blame as a GM, which is why you don't give coaches GM power. But 4 years in a row you get nothing from the draft your team is likely not going anywhere.
I very much enjoyed reading  
Jay in Toronto : 5/11/2018 12:02 pm : link
his Q&A with Serby.

here is the link  
Jay in Toronto : 5/11/2018 12:03 pm : link
for convenience





Serby - ( New Window )
.  
DanMetroMan : 5/11/2018 12:30 pm : link
The New York Knicks are expected to hire Nick Van Exel as an assistant coach on the staff of David Fizdale.

Van Exel was an assistant coach under Fizdale with the Grizzlies.

Keith Smart is also expected to join Fizdale..
RE: .  
nygiants16 : 5/11/2018 12:36 pm : link
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The New York Knicks are expected to hire Nick Van Exel as an assistant coach on the staff of David Fizdale.

Van Exel was an assistant coach under Fizdale with the Grizzlies.

Keith Smart is also expected to join Fizdale..


I like it, get van exel in gym with mudiay and frank and work on their handle
RE: Sexton  
EricNY33 : 5/11/2018 12:43 pm : link
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would be an awful pick. They want a wing and there should be wings available.


Actually he wouldn't. He'd be the best pick at 9. Bridges is a 3 and D guy who has zero offensive game outside of shooting an open 3. Hard pass.
RE: Issue with Mudiay is  
EricNY33 : 5/11/2018 12:44 pm : link
In comment 13960921 giantsfan44ab said:
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his hitch. Even when hes passing or making a layup its there. They got A season to take a look but Im keeping Burke over mudiay at this point


I don't think he loves basketball. That's a bigger issue than his hitch.
RE: RE: Sexton  
giantsfan44ab : 5/11/2018 12:48 pm : link
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would be an awful pick. They want a wing and there should be wings available.



Actually he wouldn't. He'd be the best pick at 9. Bridges is a 3 and D guy who has zero offensive game outside of shooting an open 3. Hard pass.


Again, what skills separate Sexton from other top PGs? He's already behind in 3 point shooting and passing, which all of the top 15 point guards have. It's not lookin good there.

And did you watch any Nova games at all? He is fantastic moving off the ball, the best transition finisher in college basketball this past season and can get space in the mid range for fadeways and pull ups. On top of being 45% from 3.
RE: RE: RE: Sexton  
EricNY33 : 5/11/2018 12:53 pm : link
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would be an awful pick. They want a wing and there should be wings available.



Actually he wouldn't. He'd be the best pick at 9. Bridges is a 3 and D guy who has zero offensive game outside of shooting an open 3. Hard pass.



Again, what skills separate Sexton from other top PGs? He's already behind in 3 point shooting and passing, which all of the top 15 point guards have. It's not lookin good there.

And did you watch any Nova games at all? He is fantastic moving off the ball, the best transition finisher in college basketball this past season and can get space in the mid range for fadeways and pull ups. On top of being 45% from 3.


I watched a ton of Nova games and I saw a guy with almost no handle who couldn't create his own shot. What he does he does well, but you can find those types of players by other avenues. I am not taking him in the lottery.
You can find a combo guard  
giantsfan44ab : 5/11/2018 12:54 pm : link
with no shot and passing ability every year.
You can find 3 and D wings through "other avenues"  
giantsfan44ab : 5/11/2018 12:56 pm : link
Exactly where are these guys and how do the Knicks get them without trading KP? The knicks (and other teams) have not had a legit 3 and D wing since...honestly I don't know when. I cant remember the last Knicks player that had a legit shot at guarding the top wings in the NBA.
RE: RE: RE: Sexton  
EricNY33 : 5/11/2018 12:59 pm : link
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would be an awful pick. They want a wing and there should be wings available.



Actually he wouldn't. He'd be the best pick at 9. Bridges is a 3 and D guy who has zero offensive game outside of shooting an open 3. Hard pass.



Again, what skills separate Sexton from other top PGs? He's already behind in 3 point shooting and passing, which all of the top 15 point guards have. It's not lookin good there.

And did you watch any Nova games at all? He is fantastic moving off the ball, the best transition finisher in college basketball this past season and can get space in the mid range for fadeways and pull ups. On top of being 45% from 3.


As for Sexton... he has things you can't teach, like a ridiculous motor and extreme competitiveness. He's an excellent athlete, can get to the basket whenever he wants, and is a good defender as well. You can become a better shooter.
RE: You can find a combo guard  
EricNY33 : 5/11/2018 1:00 pm : link
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with no shot and passing ability every year.


No shot? Laying it on a little thick, no?
RE: RE: RE: RE: Sexton  
giantsfan44ab : 5/11/2018 1:05 pm : link
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As for Sexton... he has things you can't teach, like a ridiculous motor and extreme competitiveness. He's an excellent athlete, can get to the basket whenever he wants, and is a good defender as well. You can become a better shooter.


You can teach shooting but it's not guaranteed. He's not starting from a great spot. To me he is De'aron fox but a much worse passer. You can't really teach passing... again, who is a top PG that is an inept passer and below average 3 point shooter? Let alone both.

Kenny Faried has a ridiculous motor and extreme competitiveness. Unfortunately in the NBA that is not sufficient, you need actual skills to survive, especially as a PG. Sexton projects to be a good defender but I'm not seeing offensively how he can survive with his flaws as a starter. I think he is a high end 6th man. His comparison is Eric Bledsoe, who even at 38% in college has been exposed as a subpar shooter in the playoffs. It's not like he's Giannis or Simmons that can get away due to being 7' tall.

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giantsfan44ab : 5/11/2018 1:07 pm : link
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with no shot and passing ability every year.



No shot? Laying it on a little thick, no?


Name me a top PG in the league that was a 33% or worse shooter from a 3 and had worse assist numbers in college.
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EricNY33 : 5/11/2018 1:17 pm : link
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As for Sexton... he has things you can't teach, like a ridiculous motor and extreme competitiveness. He's an excellent athlete, can get to the basket whenever he wants, and is a good defender as well. You can become a better shooter.



You can teach shooting but it's not guaranteed. He's not starting from a great spot. To me he is De'aron fox but a much worse passer. You can't really teach passing... again, who is a top PG that is an inept passer and below average 3 point shooter? Let alone both.

Kenny Faried has a ridiculous motor and extreme competitiveness. Unfortunately in the NBA that is not sufficient, you need actual skills to survive, especially as a PG. Sexton projects to be a good defender but I'm not seeing offensively how he can survive with his flaws as a starter. I think he is a high end 6th man. His comparison is Eric Bledsoe, who even at 38% in college has been exposed as a subpar shooter in the playoffs. It's not like he's Giannis or Simmons that can get away due to being 7' tall.


41% FG and 35% 3pt shooting his last year in college. You know who that was?

Donovan Mitchell

I am not saying Sexton will be as good as Mitchell is. I am saying that shooting is something you can improve upon in the NBA. Of course it's not guaranteed. Nothing is, but based on talent alone... Sexton is a better prospect than Mikal Bridges. Hell... MILES Bridges is a better prospect than Mikal Bridges. The Knicks aren't in position to be drafting for need. They need talent.

Wesley Matthews, Danny Gree, Trevor Ariza, Robert Covington... 4 of the best 3 and D players and all are 2nd round picks or went undrafted. These types of players are just easier to find.

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EricNY33 : 5/11/2018 1:19 pm : link
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with no shot and passing ability every year.



No shot? Laying it on a little thick, no?



Name me a top PG in the league that was a 33% or worse shooter from a 3 and had worse assist numbers in college.


Worse? How about comparable like... Russell Westbrook?
Sexton is not an inept passer.  
Heisenberg : 5/11/2018 1:19 pm : link
Weird comment.
I just think you are underselling  
giantsfan44ab : 5/11/2018 1:24 pm : link
Mikal Bridge's skill set. He has more of a mid range game than any of those guys and is also a better athlete. None of those guys are really push the pace transition guys that Mikal Bridge's is. I like Miles as well, I just don't think his shooting and defense is up to par with Mikal's, sometimes in games he has a string of bad possessions.

I'll give Sexton another look. My fear is just that neither Frank or Sexton develop into true PGs or knockdown shooters and you're left to the dogs come playoff time. But yeah, you're right if you're looking at current roster then you are basically judging off need.

I also didn't realize Sexton had a 7' wingspan which would allow him to play the 2 guard with a better shot if it came to that. His FT shooting is promising. Ill watch some more of him
RE: I just think you are underselling  
EricNY33 : 5/11/2018 1:28 pm : link
In comment 13961126 giantsfan44ab said:
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Mikal Bridge's skill set. He has more of a mid range game than any of those guys and is also a better athlete. None of those guys are really push the pace transition guys that Mikal Bridge's is. I like Miles as well, I just don't think his shooting and defense is up to par with Mikal's, sometimes in games he has a string of bad possessions.

I'll give Sexton another look. My fear is just that neither Frank or Sexton develop into true PGs or knockdown shooters and you're left to the dogs come playoff time. But yeah, you're right if you're looking at current roster then you are basically judging off need.

I also didn't realize Sexton had a 7' wingspan which would allow him to play the 2 guard with a better shot if it came to that. His FT shooting is promising. Ill watch some more of him


I am not saying Mikal Bridges can't play. He will be in the NBA a long time. I just don't see him as a lottery pick. I didn't see Frank Ntilikina as one either. They are safe players who will maximize their ability and will be in the league for a long time but not players who can't be replaced.
RE: Sexton is not an inept passer.  
giantsfan44ab : 5/11/2018 1:31 pm : link
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Weird comment.


Averaging 3.5 assists to 3 TOs a game isn't exactly ideal as a PG. But Eric has made some solid points about Sexton.

And I've been pushing for Frank at the 3 in spurts since he was drafted, I think you can get away with 3 guard lineups with Frank's size/wingspan without sacrificing defensively. So trying out a combo of (hypothetically) Sexton, Burke and Frank together could open up some wrinkles offensively, provided Frank and Sexton can both improve 3 point shooting.
RE: RE: Sexton is not an inept passer.  
Heisenberg : 5/11/2018 1:54 pm : link
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Weird comment.



Averaging 3.5 assists to 3 TOs a game isn't exactly ideal as a PG. But Eric has made some solid points about Sexton.

And I've been pushing for Frank at the 3 in spurts since he was drafted, I think you can get away with 3 guard lineups with Frank's size/wingspan without sacrificing defensively. So trying out a combo of (hypothetically) Sexton, Burke and Frank together could open up some wrinkles offensively, provided Frank and Sexton can both improve 3 point shooting.


Ok, I agree with all of that. Sexton's problems are his high turnover rate and his teammates weren't very strong either. He has plenty of highlight passes and is a pretty good PnR ball handler. I expect him to be pretty efficient there, passing and scoring, with a good roll man in the NBA. With the increased spacing in the NBA, his ability to penetrate will probably be even better, kinda like has happened to Mitchell.

But he plays out of control quite often and he may never be a strong outside 3pt shooter. I'd just rather see a guy who loves to play that you need to rein in than try to get someone to play hard.


I also really like Bridges and would be happy if the Knicks picked him too. Easy to see how he is a 12 year vet in the league.
Mitchell actually attempted more  
giantsfan44ab : 5/11/2018 2:10 pm : link
3s than 2s last year, but was also out of control at times. Had a tendency to settle for mid range shots contested early in the clock. Sexton also looks like he can get up off 1 foot, something that Mitchell struggled finishing with at Louisville.
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