I am very pleased with Mills/Perry and their apparent direction (no short cuts, long term outlook geared towards sustainable success, no pressure from above to grab headlines on what would be ill-advised moves).
Perry seems like a good basketball man.
There is a clear sense of hard work towards long term goals. This is a major break from the laziness of the Jackson regime.
Fizdale - love everything about this guy. Namely:
-Understands how to deliver a message whether the audience is media, players or other. --& gt; Aside: I hated the way Hornacek communicated. Despite being a smart guy, he failed to connect with players and his weird smile when talking about unpleasant things i.e. losses, bad play, poor effort...was odd and disturbing.
-Demands high level fitness, which having endured the Melo era, is a welcome change.
-Has the respect of so many noteworthy people. The fact that he subscribes to the Pat Riley way is a very positive attribute in my book.
-The fact that he understands what is successful in today's NBA is huge and a distinct break from the prior regime (Hornacek, PJax etc.).
He needs to learn how to throw a baseball, though, that 1st pitch at the Yankee game last night wasn't very good.
At a minimum, the interpersonal dysfunction seems to be the lowest in many many years. The play on the court will show if these are the right guys to build a team.
Let's just hope the actions back up the words...
Could you imagine hornacek calling out a player like fizdale did with hornacek?
Bud wants 8 million and power in front office...
I agree I was ok with either blatt or fizdale
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Agreed. I have no idea why anyone bothers paying attention to those dog and pony shows.
Perry's moves have not been good or bad and sadly that is an improvement over his predecessors
Fizdale will be a good or bad coach mainly based on the roster, but he seemed a bit more charismatic and communicative than the recent coaches and that might serve him well. I like them going to Pat Riley.
You take Ayton and have your 4/5 spot set for a decade. The rim protection would be asinine.
If you get the 2nd pick, you take Donacic.
If you have the 3rd pick, many would want Bagley, but I think you get Mamba. Perfect fit for Porz.
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You take Ayton and have your 4/5 spot set for a decade. The rim protection would be asinine.
If you get the 2nd pick, you take Donacic.
If you have the 3rd pick, many would want Bagley, but I think you get Mamba. Perfect fit for Porz.
I go porter 3rd, people are sleeping on him because he missed the year last year...
I think if they are 1 they go doncic, fizdale wants to play fast and small..
At least with Mo, you know you will get blocked shots, and boards. Maybe a better Clint Capela?
For example- if Knicks are picking 1st and Phoenix 2nd, would you trade down to dump Noah and grab another 1st from them?
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Would you trade the 1st for the Suns 2nd/ 16th/ 31st?
All hypothetical and highly unlikely but fun to discuss.
At least with Mo, you know you will get blocked shots, and boards. Maybe a better Clint Capela?
Wouldn't hate Bamba, I don't think he's as athletic as Capela but you offset that with the 3 point shooting.
I think I'd prefer Jaren Jackson, already a much more polished shooter and I think you can push the pace with him at the 5 as opposed to Bamba. He's a perfect small ball 5.
Dont underestimate miles and knox...
Fizdale is going to want a guy who can play the 3 and 4 and he wants to run
Cannot take him IMO. Need to draft upside here. KP gonna be out all season - need to go in full tank/upside mode in the hope of getting another high pick the following year. Bridges is a high floor low ceiling guy. Need to roll the dice on one of the 18/19 year olds.
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Cannot take him IMO. Need to draft upside here. KP gonna be out all season - need to go in full tank/upside mode in the hope of getting another high pick the following year. Bridges is a high floor low ceiling guy. Need to roll the dice on one of the 18/19 year olds.
45% high volume 3 point shooting and elite man and help defense considered low ceiling nowadays?
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Cannot take him IMO. Need to draft upside here. KP gonna be out all season - need to go in full tank/upside mode in the hope of getting another high pick the following year. Bridges is a high floor low ceiling guy. Need to roll the dice on one of the 18/19 year olds.
I would not describe Mikal Bridges this way.
He took a team that was 7 straight playoffs and held serve one year and then wheels fell off year 2.
There is no track record here.
He was an assistant coach on Miami where he was buddy-buddy with the LeBron-Wade-Bosh big 3. I get nothing out of that. His whole rep comes from there
The whole data rant was self serving, immature and ineffective. He blamed a 14 point playoff loss on officiating.
Fizdale is a complete and utter crapshoot. I dont get this hire at all.
Porter is turning out to be pretty good but I think Bridges has another gear defensively.
To me, I look at the Celtics, Bucks and Sixers and I think who is going to guard Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Simmons, Giannis and Middleton without hurting you on offense and I see Mikal Bridges maybe falling to 8-9, I don't know many players I'd take over him there.
He took a team that was 7 straight playoffs and held serve one year and then wheels fell off year 2.
There is no track record here.
He was an assistant coach on Miami where he was buddy-buddy with the LeBron-Wade-Bosh big 3. I get nothing out of that. His whole rep comes from there
The whole data rant was self serving, immature and ineffective. He blamed a 14 point playoff loss on officiating.
Fizdale is a complete and utter crapshoot. I dont get this hire at all.
Guess we are tossing out arguably his best (and certainly #2) player missed...70....70 games. That roster was absolutely, positively... HORRENDOUS.
Top 5 in minutes played of guys who appeared in at least 50 games
Gasol, Tyreke Evans (missed 30 games), Dillon Brooks, Green (missed 27 games), Andrew Harrison.
He took a team that was 7 straight playoffs and held serve one year and then wheels fell off year 2.
There is no track record here.
He was an assistant coach on Miami where he was buddy-buddy with the LeBron-Wade-Bosh big 3. I get nothing out of that. His whole rep comes from there
The whole data rant was self serving, immature and ineffective. He blamed a 14 point playoff loss on officiating.
Fizdale is a complete and utter crapshoot. I dont get this hire at all.
That Memphis team was on its last legs and when Conley got hurt it went to shit...
Oh and dont forget Gasol tried to get joerger fired over and over again until he left...
There is a reason coaches do not stay there very long...
You realize he was an assistant for a long time in atlanta as well right? Where he helped develop guys like Horford and milsap...
He also helped develop guys like josh Richardson and Tyler Johnson in miami...
He had a feud with 1 player and that means he is not a players coach anymore? Do some research before you rant....
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a bit shorter...Mikal Bridges to me is an Otto Porter type player
Porter is turning out to be pretty good but I think Bridges has another gear defensively.
To me, I look at the Celtics, Bucks and Sixers and I think who is going to guard Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Simmons, Giannis and Middleton without hurting you on offense and I see Mikal Bridges maybe falling to 8-9, I don't know many players I'd take over him there.
Well said. One concern I have is that he never seemed to add any muscle at Nova. Makes you wonder if he has the capacity to get strong enough.
Wendell Carter - seems a bit slow and mechanical
Trey Young - we have a ton of PGs and he also lacks some athleticism
Agreed but suspect that will reverse itself in the coming weeks. Carter to me = Trey Lyles which doesn't excite me.
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The New York Knicks brought in Georgetown center Jessie Govan for a workout earlier this week. Govan, who was coached by Patrick Ewing this season, averaged 17.9 points and 10.0 rebounds for the Hoyas in his junior season. He declared for the draft without signing with an agent.
Interesting! I'm a Georgetown fan so watched every game of his. He's definitely an interesting guy (solid passer and shooter for a big man), but a bit of a tweener between a 4-5.
I didn't hire an agent yet I believe though so he may be going back to school.
The legendary Knick isnt expecting to see the 7-foot-3 Latvian on the floor after tearing the ACL in his left knee Feb. 6 and undergoing surgery a week later.
I dont see him playing next year, the MSG Network analyst said Tuesday at BTIG Charity Day in Manhattan.
At the time of the surgery, sources indicated the 22-year-old Porzingis would be out 10 to 12 months.
So thats around January, February, Frazier said. Unless the Knicks are in the playoff hunt, I dont see him playing next year.
Bridges may be a better all around player right now but Porter has more potential as an all-star given his age and lack of seasoning.
Bridges will be 22 when training camp starts as well so I'd lean Porter.
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I don't strongly disagree but workout could easily have Bamba ahead of both Carter and Young. Bamba has a very, very intriguing skillset and is a very intelligent player.
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I'm just going to pretend he didn't say that.
I think Bamba has a legit shot at developing 3 point range and I love how high IQ he is to go with his physical gifts. He and KP could be scary for teams with their height/length.
Totally agree. Id give him the Paul George treatment and let him come back at the end of the season for some game reps- but be very very cautious.
It sucks but tanking next year is probably the best course. Without KP this roster is probably the worst in the league anyway.
Obviously wouldnt help a tank though.
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Lance Thomas is comparable to Draymond Green like I am to LeBron James.
You cant do that. Hold a player out the whole season because you want to tank? KP would file a grievance and most certainly walk when his contract is up, and rightfully so.
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Just said Lance Thomas is a "swiss army knife" and likened him to Draymond Green.
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Lance Thomas is comparable to Draymond Green like I am to LeBron James.
I cant stand lance Thomas but fizdale is not going to bad mouth any player ok n the roster
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Just said Lance Thomas is a "swiss army knife" and likened him to Draymond Green.
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Lance Thomas is comparable to Draymond Green like I am to LeBron James.
I cant stand lance Thomas but fizdale is not going to bad mouth any player ok n the roster
You're a good poster. But my god you suck at typing.
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but it has nothing to do with his knee. They can use that as an excuse, but he will be healed by November. They see what Philly is doing and has done and we should mimic that.
You cant do that. Hold a player out the whole season because you want to tank? KP would file a grievance and most certainly walk when his contract is up, and rightfully so.
Pacers did it with PG, Philly did it with Simmons and Embiid. Porzingis is coming of an acl injury, if he plays it will be for limited minutes and lots of DNPs. Lets not overreact here.
Mikal Bridges is very intriguing as glue guy and 3/D, but his lack of quickness scares me against the Uber athletic wings he will see in the league.
Mikal Bridges is very intriguing as glue guy and 3/D, but his lack of quickness scares me against the Uber athletic wings he will see in the league.
Sexton is surely talented, but the NBA is filled with talented PGs. What skills allow Sexton to become an elite, or even top 15 PG? He wasn't prolific from beyond the arc, his usage rate was more than 50% of SGA's and averaged more TOs and half the assists...that's alarming even for a "one man show" offense (and Bama was a solid team overall). Pairing Sexton with Frank in the backcourt is a scary proposition to me in the chance neither becomes an elite 3 point shooter. You would be going in the exact opposite direction of the NBA at that point. I'd be more comfortable with SGA or Young if the Knicks are going PG (which I don't think they should).
2 Bamba - I have him > Ayton but both are extraordinary big prospects
3 Ayton
4 Doncic
5 Porter if healthy
6 Jackson
7 Mikal Bridges
8 SGA
9 Zhaire Smith
Im with Jon, need a wing. The bigs Id be OK with are JJJ, Ayton and Bamba. Ayton had a bad defensive year too but he gives you spacing on offense and has the size to give him an edge defensively over Bagley.
I like Carter, more so than Bagley, wouldnt hate him but Id def go with one of the wings (Porter, doncic, Bridgeses).
Strikes me as a Trey Lyles type. Solid skills but athletically ordinary.
Doncic - Probably won't be there
Troy Brown - Comparisons range from Evan Turner or Paul Pierce,I tend to lean more towards Pierce
Wendell Carter - I also like him more than Bagley
Trae Young - Not sure he fits our defensive team,tough to see him not being a good player.Excellent passer
2nd round
Jevon Carter - This guy is right off the 90's teams
Elie Okobo
Strikes me as a Trey Lyles type. Solid skills but athletically ordinary.
Trey Lyles had a killer season this year (still only 22). I can't say I watched a whole lot of NCAA aside from the tournament, but from scouting videos/reports I'm seeing that Carter moves really well for a big. He's 260, 35 pounds more than Lyles. He'll assuredly lose weight in the NBA, which makes me interested in his athletic upside. If he moved well as a 260 pound human then I remain optimistic if he loses 10-15 pounds.
The comp I'm seeing with him is Derrick Favors, not a rim protector but a good individual defender. Carter also is a promising 3 point shooter and passer. If he ends up being a decent defender he is as modern of a big as you can find.
Same, just think Carter is a better defensive player than Bagley. As draymond shows, being explosive doesn't really correlate to good defense. Carter also has an NBA offensive game that I don't see with Bagley.
I like JJJ out of all the bigs, he is both athletic and flashes great defensive ability (needs to tone down the aggression) and is both a lob target and floor spacer on offense, which is a rarity.
I like the whole lot of Kansas prospects. Graham, Newman and the Russian kid. Probably all role players but have translatable NBA skills.
I hate Grayson Allen but should be a role player, plus it would be hilarious having him on your team just to piss off other teams/fans.
I like the whole lot of Kansas prospects. Graham, Newman and the Russian kid. Probably all role players but have translatable NBA skills.
I hate Grayson Allen but should be a role player, plus it would be hilarious having him on your team just to piss off other teams/fans.
Loved watching Graham play, reminds me a little bit of rozier, not a pure point but he is going to go out there knock down 3s and play as hard as he can and just be a pain for the other team...
Just tell me he comes back fine and the injury wont really hurt in the grand scheme. Could even be a boon if they caught the right lotto draft pick as a result.
Ive made peace with another shitty season but I actually enjoyed watching the Knicks down the stretch this season because of frank and Burke and the other younger players. They will have even more young talent next year so the season should be somewhat interesting no matter what. And by seasons end, maybe KP comes back for a few games, could be fun.
Thats all I got, trying to find something to hold on to....
In the draft, I assume we don't move up in the lottery, in which case the logical selection is a sf. I would guess Mikal Bridges. I hate the idea of going pg as some mocks still have us doing. We badly need a wing, and I want to see what Frank looks like after a full off-season of strength training.
In the draft, I assume we don't move up in the lottery, in which case the logical selection is a sf. I would guess Mikal Bridges. I hate the idea of going pg as some mocks still have us doing. We badly need a wing, and I want to see what Frank looks like after a full off-season of strength training.
Hopefully he can use the miami school in conditioning
I think the sleeper in all of this is Mitchell Robinson. He is insanely athletic for a 5. From the sounds of it, he reminds of a young Tyson Chandler and a better version of WCS.
I dont think theres a chance in hell bamba slips to the knicks if the lottery goes according to chalk. Someones gonna fall in love with his potential. Probably more than one team will.
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predict Bamba goes a lot higher than people think. He's active, ridiculously long, has range from as deep the 3 point line, really intelligent, hard worker. Enough comparing him to lame brained Noel. This kid with KP could be a nasty, nasty combo.
I dont think theres a chance in hell bamba slips to the knicks if the lottery goes according to chalk. Someones gonna fall in love with his potential. Probably more than one team will.
You really think 5 centers go in the top 8 picks? I guess there is somewhat of a need for big men by all the top teams that are picking. I certainly hope thats the case.
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Can not get rid of the overpaid players, so have to get rid of coach of the year...
Makes sense
Stan van gundy is awful, I dont know how he keeps getting jobs
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Stan van gundy is awful, I dont know how he keeps getting jobs
I actually like how he uses lineups, putting a traditional big surrounded by shooters and going inside-out. Unfortunately Drummond hasn't yet developed into a dominant enough scorer and D12 wasn't ever a good passer.
His GM-ing got in the way of his talent and the Griffin trade was a desperation haul. He trusted Reggie Jackson way too much for too long. If Detroit landed Mitchell things would've been a lot different.
I have no problem with a spread it out with a big in the middle but it has to be the right big...
It is exactly what I hope fizdale does with kp, surround him with defenders and shooters with a penetrator
I have no problem with a spread it out with a big in the middle but it has to be the right big...
It is exactly what I hope fizdale does with kp, surround him with defenders and shooters with a penetrator
One of his teams went to the Finals. Like Toronto, he outperformed what he was given. Drummond looks to be turning the corner but is still young. Reggie Jackson is a below average starting PG.
Detroit's draft picks over the past 4 years were Kennard (who is fine, nothing special though), Stanley Johnson and Henry Ellenson. in 2014 they didn't have a pick which would have been 9th because they traded for Corey maggette a few years earlier.
SVG deserves blame as a GM, which is why you don't give coaches GM power. But 4 years in a row you get nothing from the draft your team is likely not going anywhere.
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Van Exel was an assistant coach under Fizdale with the Grizzlies.
Keith Smart is also expected to join Fizdale..
Van Exel was an assistant coach under Fizdale with the Grizzlies.
Keith Smart is also expected to join Fizdale..
I like it, get van exel in gym with mudiay and frank and work on their handle
Actually he wouldn't. He'd be the best pick at 9. Bridges is a 3 and D guy who has zero offensive game outside of shooting an open 3. Hard pass.
I don't think he loves basketball. That's a bigger issue than his hitch.
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Actually he wouldn't. He'd be the best pick at 9. Bridges is a 3 and D guy who has zero offensive game outside of shooting an open 3. Hard pass.
Again, what skills separate Sexton from other top PGs? He's already behind in 3 point shooting and passing, which all of the top 15 point guards have. It's not lookin good there.
And did you watch any Nova games at all? He is fantastic moving off the ball, the best transition finisher in college basketball this past season and can get space in the mid range for fadeways and pull ups. On top of being 45% from 3.
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would be an awful pick. They want a wing and there should be wings available.
Actually he wouldn't. He'd be the best pick at 9. Bridges is a 3 and D guy who has zero offensive game outside of shooting an open 3. Hard pass.
Again, what skills separate Sexton from other top PGs? He's already behind in 3 point shooting and passing, which all of the top 15 point guards have. It's not lookin good there.
And did you watch any Nova games at all? He is fantastic moving off the ball, the best transition finisher in college basketball this past season and can get space in the mid range for fadeways and pull ups. On top of being 45% from 3.
I watched a ton of Nova games and I saw a guy with almost no handle who couldn't create his own shot. What he does he does well, but you can find those types of players by other avenues. I am not taking him in the lottery.
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would be an awful pick. They want a wing and there should be wings available.
Actually he wouldn't. He'd be the best pick at 9. Bridges is a 3 and D guy who has zero offensive game outside of shooting an open 3. Hard pass.
Again, what skills separate Sexton from other top PGs? He's already behind in 3 point shooting and passing, which all of the top 15 point guards have. It's not lookin good there.
And did you watch any Nova games at all? He is fantastic moving off the ball, the best transition finisher in college basketball this past season and can get space in the mid range for fadeways and pull ups. On top of being 45% from 3.
As for Sexton... he has things you can't teach, like a ridiculous motor and extreme competitiveness. He's an excellent athlete, can get to the basket whenever he wants, and is a good defender as well. You can become a better shooter.
No shot? Laying it on a little thick, no?
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As for Sexton... he has things you can't teach, like a ridiculous motor and extreme competitiveness. He's an excellent athlete, can get to the basket whenever he wants, and is a good defender as well. You can become a better shooter.
You can teach shooting but it's not guaranteed. He's not starting from a great spot. To me he is De'aron fox but a much worse passer. You can't really teach passing... again, who is a top PG that is an inept passer and below average 3 point shooter? Let alone both.
Kenny Faried has a ridiculous motor and extreme competitiveness. Unfortunately in the NBA that is not sufficient, you need actual skills to survive, especially as a PG. Sexton projects to be a good defender but I'm not seeing offensively how he can survive with his flaws as a starter. I think he is a high end 6th man. His comparison is Eric Bledsoe, who even at 38% in college has been exposed as a subpar shooter in the playoffs. It's not like he's Giannis or Simmons that can get away due to being 7' tall.
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with no shot and passing ability every year.
No shot? Laying it on a little thick, no?
Name me a top PG in the league that was a 33% or worse shooter from a 3 and had worse assist numbers in college.
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As for Sexton... he has things you can't teach, like a ridiculous motor and extreme competitiveness. He's an excellent athlete, can get to the basket whenever he wants, and is a good defender as well. You can become a better shooter.
You can teach shooting but it's not guaranteed. He's not starting from a great spot. To me he is De'aron fox but a much worse passer. You can't really teach passing... again, who is a top PG that is an inept passer and below average 3 point shooter? Let alone both.
Kenny Faried has a ridiculous motor and extreme competitiveness. Unfortunately in the NBA that is not sufficient, you need actual skills to survive, especially as a PG. Sexton projects to be a good defender but I'm not seeing offensively how he can survive with his flaws as a starter. I think he is a high end 6th man. His comparison is Eric Bledsoe, who even at 38% in college has been exposed as a subpar shooter in the playoffs. It's not like he's Giannis or Simmons that can get away due to being 7' tall.
41% FG and 35% 3pt shooting his last year in college. You know who that was?
Donovan Mitchell
I am not saying Sexton will be as good as Mitchell is. I am saying that shooting is something you can improve upon in the NBA. Of course it's not guaranteed. Nothing is, but based on talent alone... Sexton is a better prospect than Mikal Bridges. Hell... MILES Bridges is a better prospect than Mikal Bridges. The Knicks aren't in position to be drafting for need. They need talent.
Wesley Matthews, Danny Gree, Trevor Ariza, Robert Covington... 4 of the best 3 and D players and all are 2nd round picks or went undrafted. These types of players are just easier to find.
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with no shot and passing ability every year.
No shot? Laying it on a little thick, no?
Name me a top PG in the league that was a 33% or worse shooter from a 3 and had worse assist numbers in college.
Worse? How about comparable like... Russell Westbrook?
I'll give Sexton another look. My fear is just that neither Frank or Sexton develop into true PGs or knockdown shooters and you're left to the dogs come playoff time. But yeah, you're right if you're looking at current roster then you are basically judging off need.
I also didn't realize Sexton had a 7' wingspan which would allow him to play the 2 guard with a better shot if it came to that. His FT shooting is promising. Ill watch some more of him
I'll give Sexton another look. My fear is just that neither Frank or Sexton develop into true PGs or knockdown shooters and you're left to the dogs come playoff time. But yeah, you're right if you're looking at current roster then you are basically judging off need.
I also didn't realize Sexton had a 7' wingspan which would allow him to play the 2 guard with a better shot if it came to that. His FT shooting is promising. Ill watch some more of him
I am not saying Mikal Bridges can't play. He will be in the NBA a long time. I just don't see him as a lottery pick. I didn't see Frank Ntilikina as one either. They are safe players who will maximize their ability and will be in the league for a long time but not players who can't be replaced.
Averaging 3.5 assists to 3 TOs a game isn't exactly ideal as a PG. But Eric has made some solid points about Sexton.
And I've been pushing for Frank at the 3 in spurts since he was drafted, I think you can get away with 3 guard lineups with Frank's size/wingspan without sacrificing defensively. So trying out a combo of (hypothetically) Sexton, Burke and Frank together could open up some wrinkles offensively, provided Frank and Sexton can both improve 3 point shooting.
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Weird comment.
Averaging 3.5 assists to 3 TOs a game isn't exactly ideal as a PG. But Eric has made some solid points about Sexton.
And I've been pushing for Frank at the 3 in spurts since he was drafted, I think you can get away with 3 guard lineups with Frank's size/wingspan without sacrificing defensively. So trying out a combo of (hypothetically) Sexton, Burke and Frank together could open up some wrinkles offensively, provided Frank and Sexton can both improve 3 point shooting.
Ok, I agree with all of that. Sexton's problems are his high turnover rate and his teammates weren't very strong either. He has plenty of highlight passes and is a pretty good PnR ball handler. I expect him to be pretty efficient there, passing and scoring, with a good roll man in the NBA. With the increased spacing in the NBA, his ability to penetrate will probably be even better, kinda like has happened to Mitchell.
But he plays out of control quite often and he may never be a strong outside 3pt shooter. I'd just rather see a guy who loves to play that you need to rein in than try to get someone to play hard.
I also really like Bridges and would be happy if the Knicks picked him too. Easy to see how he is a 12 year vet in the league.