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Pep22 : 5/9/2018 8:57 am
I am very pleased with Mills/Perry and their apparent direction (no short cuts, long term outlook geared towards sustainable success, no pressure from above to grab headlines on what would be ill-advised moves).

Perry seems like a good basketball man.

There is a clear sense of hard work towards long term goals. This is a major break from the laziness of the Jackson regime.

Fizdale - love everything about this guy. Namely:

-Understands how to deliver a message whether the audience is media, players or other. --& gt; Aside: I hated the way Hornacek communicated. Despite being a smart guy, he failed to connect with players and his weird smile when talking about unpleasant things i.e. losses, bad play, poor effort...was odd and disturbing.

-Demands high level fitness, which having endured the Melo era, is a welcome change.

-Has the respect of so many noteworthy people. The fact that he subscribes to the Pat Riley way is a very positive attribute in my book.

-The fact that he understands what is successful in today's NBA is huge and a distinct break from the prior regime (Hornacek, PJax etc.).
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I wasn't over impressed at first  
Eli Wilson : 5/9/2018 9:07 am : link
But after watching the press conference, he seems like a good dude. I think he'll be good for a young team.

He needs to learn how to throw a baseball, though, that 1st pitch at the Yankee game last night wasn't very good.
The takeaway for me was that the mgmt and the coach seemed  
Heisenberg : 5/9/2018 9:09 am : link
to fit together really well. And that Fizdale seemed to really want the job and be happy to be here. Steps in the direction of building a functional basketball organization.

At a minimum, the interpersonal dysfunction seems to be the lowest in many many years. The play on the court will show if these are the right guys to build a team.
I was impressed with mills  
nygiants16 : 5/9/2018 9:12 am : link
He gets a lot of shit, deservedly slow but he was precise and diligent on this coaching search. The fact he was calling other teams, players and other coaches to get a good sense about each coach was inpressive...

Let's just hope the actions back up the words...

Could you imagine hornacek calling out a player like fizdale did with hornacek?
Like fizdale did with mudiay  
nygiants16 : 5/9/2018 9:12 am : link
..
I still have reservations...  
aimrocky : 5/9/2018 9:16 am : link
Fizdale was probably my 2nd or 3rd choice (Bud was the clear #1, Blatt and Fiz were a close 2 & 3). The Perry moves so far have been neutral. Nothing that he's done screams that we're in great shape with him at the wheel.
RE: I still have reservations...  
nygiants16 : 5/9/2018 9:27 am : link
In comment 13958925 aimrocky said:
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Fizdale was probably my 2nd or 3rd choice (Bud was the clear #1, Blatt and Fiz were a close 2 & 3). The Perry moves so far have been neutral. Nothing that he's done screams that we're in great shape with him at the wheel.


Bud wants 8 million and power in front office...

I agree I was ok with either blatt or fizdale
Pretty good article from Tommy Beer about Fizdale's conference  
Heisenberg : 5/9/2018 9:29 am : link
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what is the $ on Fiz's 4 year deal  
Pep22 : 5/9/2018 9:39 am : link
?
Mills as a speaker is impressive  
Carl in CT : 5/9/2018 9:52 am : link
As a talent evaluator....
I don't think we learn much from introductory press conferences.  
Ira : 5/9/2018 9:59 am : link
We really won't get much of a sense of how good a coach Fizdale is until November and December.
RE: I don't think we learn much from introductory press conferences.  
Greg from LI : 5/9/2018 10:04 am : link
In comment 13958987 Ira said:
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We really won't get much of a sense of how good a coach Fizdale is until November and December.


Agreed. I have no idea why anyone bothers paying attention to those dog and pony shows.
Fizdale  
DanMetroMan : 5/9/2018 10:06 am : link
agrees that Frank is too unselish.
My Thoughts on the Knicks braintrust  
Pete44 : 5/9/2018 10:13 am : link
Mills seems to want to do the right thing, but can he make the right decisions

Perry's moves have not been good or bad and sadly that is an improvement over his predecessors

Fizdale will be a good or bad coach mainly based on the roster, but he seemed a bit more charismatic and communicative than the recent coaches and that might serve him well. I like them going to Pat Riley.
Lottery  
TyreeHelmet : 5/9/2018 10:22 am : link
If the Knicks beat the odds and win the lottery who do you want 1st?
RE: Lottery  
dep026 : 5/9/2018 10:26 am : link
In comment 13959023 TyreeHelmet said:
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If the Knicks beat the odds and win the lottery who do you want 1st?


You take Ayton and have your 4/5 spot set for a decade. The rim protection would be asinine.

If you get the 2nd pick, you take Donacic.
If you have the 3rd pick, many would want Bagley, but I think you get Mamba. Perfect fit for Porz.
RE: RE: Lottery  
nygiants16 : 5/9/2018 10:30 am : link
In comment 13959030 dep026 said:
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In comment 13959023 TyreeHelmet said:


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If the Knicks beat the odds and win the lottery who do you want 1st?



You take Ayton and have your 4/5 spot set for a decade. The rim protection would be asinine.

If you get the 2nd pick, you take Donacic.
If you have the 3rd pick, many would want Bagley, but I think you get Mamba. Perfect fit for Porz.


I go porter 3rd, people are sleeping on him because he missed the year last year...

I think if they are 1 they go doncic, fizdale wants to play fast and small..
Porter is an x-factor  
dep026 : 5/9/2018 10:34 am : link
but seems like a selfish player to me. And defensively, I dont know if he believes in it.

At least with Mo, you know you will get blocked shots, and boards. Maybe a better Clint Capela?
seems like a mortal lock  
Pep22 : 5/9/2018 10:39 am : link
we get 9 and Mikal Bridges
Lottery  
TyreeHelmet : 5/9/2018 10:40 am : link
If by some miracle they get the 1st pick, I may look into trading down. Preferably a team in the top 3-5 that falls in love with Ayton. You try to get bounty of picks/players from them or dump some shitty contracts on them.

For example- if Knicks are picking 1st and Phoenix 2nd, would you trade down to dump Noah and grab another 1st from them?

Or
Would you trade the 1st for the Suns 2nd/ 16th/ 31st?

All hypothetical and highly unlikely but fun to discuss.
RE: Porter is an x-factor  
giantsfan44ab : 5/9/2018 10:40 am : link
In comment 13959039 dep026 said:
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but seems like a selfish player to me. And defensively, I dont know if he believes in it.

At least with Mo, you know you will get blocked shots, and boards. Maybe a better Clint Capela?


Wouldn't hate Bamba, I don't think he's as athletic as Capela but you offset that with the 3 point shooting.

I think I'd prefer Jaren Jackson, already a much more polished shooter and I think you can push the pace with him at the 5 as opposed to Bamba. He's a perfect small ball 5.
RE: seems like a mortal lock  
nygiants16 : 5/9/2018 10:40 am : link
In comment 13959046 Pep22 said:
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we get 9 and Mikal Bridges


Dont underestimate miles and knox...

Fizdale is going to want a guy who can play the 3 and 4 and he wants to run
I hate how easy it is to get a good big man  
giantsfan44ab : 5/9/2018 10:49 am : link
in FA. Much rather gamble on a wing unless it's a star big. Ayton is fine, but I'd much rather risk it on Doncic/Porter/Bridgeses. You can trade back with Chicago and get Portis, with SAC and get Skal/WCS. Can also sign guys like Favors, Dedmon or Noel to a 1-year high $ number, or go for Randle, Capela, or Nurkic for RFAs if Kanter opts out.
Mikal  
Jon in NYC : 5/9/2018 10:56 am : link
Bridges would be awesome. A great fit with what we have and the kind of team we're trying to build.
RE: seems like a mortal lock  
Justlurking : 5/9/2018 10:59 am : link
In comment 13959046 Pep22 said:
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we get 9 and Mikal Bridges


Cannot take him IMO. Need to draft upside here. KP gonna be out all season - need to go in full tank/upside mode in the hope of getting another high pick the following year. Bridges is a high floor low ceiling guy. Need to roll the dice on one of the 18/19 year olds.
RE: RE: seems like a mortal lock  
giantsfan44ab : 5/9/2018 11:00 am : link
In comment 13959070 Justlurking said:
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we get 9 and Mikal Bridges



Cannot take him IMO. Need to draft upside here. KP gonna be out all season - need to go in full tank/upside mode in the hope of getting another high pick the following year. Bridges is a high floor low ceiling guy. Need to roll the dice on one of the 18/19 year olds.


45% high volume 3 point shooting and elite man and help defense considered low ceiling nowadays?
RE: RE: seems like a mortal lock  
TyreeHelmet : 5/9/2018 11:02 am : link
In comment 13959070 Justlurking said:
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In comment 13959046 Pep22 said:


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we get 9 and Mikal Bridges



Cannot take him IMO. Need to draft upside here. KP gonna be out all season - need to go in full tank/upside mode in the hope of getting another high pick the following year. Bridges is a high floor low ceiling guy. Need to roll the dice on one of the 18/19 year olds.


I would not describe Mikal Bridges this way.
I think the Bulls will do everything in their power  
dep026 : 5/9/2018 11:04 am : link
to get Bamba. Seems like the perfect fit for Markhanan.
while  
Pep22 : 5/9/2018 11:05 am : link
a bit shorter...Mikal Bridges to me is an Otto Porter type player
I have no confidence in Fizdale  
twostepgiants : 5/9/2018 11:07 am : link
He is a players coach who was fired for feuding with his best player

He took a team that was 7 straight playoffs and held serve one year and then wheels fell off year 2.

There is no track record here.

He was an assistant coach on Miami where he was buddy-buddy with the LeBron-Wade-Bosh big 3. I get nothing out of that. His whole rep comes from there

The whole data rant was self serving, immature and ineffective. He blamed a 14 point playoff loss on officiating.

Fizdale is a complete and utter crapshoot. I dont get this hire at all.

RE: while  
giantsfan44ab : 5/9/2018 11:12 am : link
In comment 13959080 Pep22 said:
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a bit shorter...Mikal Bridges to me is an Otto Porter type player


Porter is turning out to be pretty good but I think Bridges has another gear defensively.

To me, I look at the Celtics, Bucks and Sixers and I think who is going to guard Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Simmons, Giannis and Middleton without hurting you on offense and I see Mikal Bridges maybe falling to 8-9, I don't know many players I'd take over him there.
RE: I have no confidence in Fizdale  
DanMetroMan : 5/9/2018 11:15 am : link
In comment 13959082 twostepgiants said:
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He is a players coach who was fired for feuding with his best player

He took a team that was 7 straight playoffs and held serve one year and then wheels fell off year 2.

There is no track record here.

He was an assistant coach on Miami where he was buddy-buddy with the LeBron-Wade-Bosh big 3. I get nothing out of that. His whole rep comes from there

The whole data rant was self serving, immature and ineffective. He blamed a 14 point playoff loss on officiating.

Fizdale is a complete and utter crapshoot. I dont get this hire at all.


Guess we are tossing out arguably his best (and certainly #2) player missed...70....70 games. That roster was absolutely, positively... HORRENDOUS.

Top 5 in minutes played of guys who appeared in at least 50 games


Gasol, Tyreke Evans (missed 30 games), Dillon Brooks, Green (missed 27 games), Andrew Harrison.
RE: I have no confidence in Fizdale  
nygiants16 : 5/9/2018 11:16 am : link
In comment 13959082 twostepgiants said:
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He is a players coach who was fired for feuding with his best player

He took a team that was 7 straight playoffs and held serve one year and then wheels fell off year 2.

There is no track record here.

He was an assistant coach on Miami where he was buddy-buddy with the LeBron-Wade-Bosh big 3. I get nothing out of that. His whole rep comes from there

The whole data rant was self serving, immature and ineffective. He blamed a 14 point playoff loss on officiating.

Fizdale is a complete and utter crapshoot. I dont get this hire at all.


That Memphis team was on its last legs and when Conley got hurt it went to shit...

Oh and dont forget Gasol tried to get joerger fired over and over again until he left...

There is a reason coaches do not stay there very long...

You realize he was an assistant for a long time in atlanta as well right? Where he helped develop guys like Horford and milsap...

He also helped develop guys like josh Richardson and Tyler Johnson in miami...

He had a feud with 1 player and that means he is not a players coach anymore? Do some research before you rant....
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Pep22 : 5/9/2018 11:21 am : link
In comment 13959088 giantsfan44ab said:
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In comment 13959080 Pep22 said:


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a bit shorter...Mikal Bridges to me is an Otto Porter type player



Porter is turning out to be pretty good but I think Bridges has another gear defensively.

To me, I look at the Celtics, Bucks and Sixers and I think who is going to guard Tatum, Brown, Hayward, Simmons, Giannis and Middleton without hurting you on offense and I see Mikal Bridges maybe falling to 8-9, I don't know many players I'd take over him there.


Well said. One concern I have is that he never seemed to add any muscle at Nova. Makes you wonder if he has the capacity to get strong enough.
two guys  
Pep22 : 5/9/2018 11:45 am : link
I'd avoid in this draft:

Wendell Carter - seems a bit slow and mechanical
Trey Young - we have a ton of PGs and he also lacks some athleticism
Really  
DanMetroMan : 5/9/2018 11:49 am : link
surprised how many mocks have Carter over Bamba. Bamba and KP could be a NASTY combo.
RE: Really  
Pep22 : 5/9/2018 11:53 am : link
In comment 13959155 DanMetroMan said:
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surprised how many mocks have Carter over Bamba. Bamba and KP could be a NASTY combo.


Agreed but suspect that will reverse itself in the coming weeks. Carter to me = Trey Lyles which doesn't excite me.
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DanMetroMan : 5/9/2018 11:54 am : link
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The New York Knicks brought in Georgetown center Jessie Govan for a workout earlier this week. Govan, who was coached by Patrick Ewing this season, averaged 17.9 points and 10.0 rebounds for the Hoyas in his junior season. He declared for the draft without signing with an agent.
I would think that Michael Porter Jr. would offer more upside than  
Anakim : 5/9/2018 11:59 am : link
either Bridges. Why isn't he being talked about? With his back injury and his lackluster performance after he came back from injury, maybe he'll slide.
I don't think POrter  
giantsfan44ab : 5/9/2018 12:02 pm : link
ends up sliding that far.
The Fritzdale Experience  
ghost718 : 5/9/2018 12:45 pm : link
You can remove the podium and add bar stools,but it's still the same shit.

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kash94 : 5/9/2018 1:48 pm : link
In comment 13959160 DanMetroMan said:
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The New York Knicks brought in Georgetown center Jessie Govan for a workout earlier this week. Govan, who was coached by Patrick Ewing this season, averaged 17.9 points and 10.0 rebounds for the Hoyas in his junior season. He declared for the draft without signing with an agent.


Interesting! I'm a Georgetown fan so watched every game of his. He's definitely an interesting guy (solid passer and shooter for a big man), but a bit of a tweener between a 4-5.

I didn't hire an agent yet I believe though so he may be going back to school.
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DanMetroMan : 5/9/2018 2:19 pm : link
Get ready for a full season without Kristaps Porzingis, Knicks fans, Walt Clyde Frazier predicts.

The legendary Knick isnt expecting to see the 7-foot-3 Latvian on the floor after tearing the ACL in his left knee Feb. 6 and undergoing surgery a week later.

I dont see him playing next year, the MSG Network analyst said Tuesday at BTIG Charity Day in Manhattan.

At the time of the surgery, sources indicated the 22-year-old Porzingis would be out 10 to 12 months.

So thats around January, February, Frazier said. Unless the Knicks are in the playoff hunt, I dont see him playing next year.

Good  
giantsfan44ab : 5/9/2018 2:26 pm : link
Knicks can add 2 top picks (hopefully top 5 next year) and 2 max players to the group of KP, Frank, Burke and THJR by the time Porzingis plays a full season again
No point in rushing KP  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 5/9/2018 2:52 pm : link
back to be honest.
I see 7 players before Bamba  
Carl in CT : 5/9/2018 3:05 pm : link
Ayton, Bagley, Carter, Doncic, Jackson, Young and Porter
Michael Porter Jr.  
elisha2014 : 5/9/2018 3:34 pm : link
was highly regarded as the #1 prospect in this draft and Bridges was the best player on a championship team.

Bridges may be a better all around player right now but Porter has more potential as an all-star given his age and lack of seasoning.

Bridges will be 22 when training camp starts as well so I'd lean Porter.
RE: Lottery  
djm : 5/9/2018 3:40 pm : link
In comment 13959023 TyreeHelmet said:
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If the Knicks beat the odds and win the lottery who do you want 1st?


Lol
RE: I see 7 players before Bamba  
DanMetroMan : 5/9/2018 3:42 pm : link
In comment 13959460 Carl in CT said:
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Ayton, Bagley, Carter, Doncic, Jackson, Young and Porter


I don't strongly disagree but workout could easily have Bamba ahead of both Carter and Young. Bamba has a very, very intriguing skillset and is a very intelligent player.
Fizdale on with Francesa  
Chris684 : 5/9/2018 3:50 pm : link
Just said Lance Thomas is a "swiss army knife" and likened him to Draymond Green.

Yippee!
Dan I agree  
Carl in CT : 5/9/2018 3:55 pm : link
Just see a limited offensive game from Bamba. That could change as he is still very young.
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