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Pep22 : 5/9/2018 8:57 am
I am very pleased with Mills/Perry and their apparent direction (no short cuts, long term outlook geared towards sustainable success, no pressure from above to grab headlines on what would be ill-advised moves).

Perry seems like a good basketball man.

There is a clear sense of hard work towards long term goals. This is a major break from the laziness of the Jackson regime.

Fizdale - love everything about this guy. Namely:

-Understands how to deliver a message whether the audience is media, players or other. --& gt; Aside: I hated the way Hornacek communicated. Despite being a smart guy, he failed to connect with players and his weird smile when talking about unpleasant things i.e. losses, bad play, poor effort...was odd and disturbing.

-Demands high level fitness, which having endured the Melo era, is a welcome change.

-Has the respect of so many noteworthy people. The fact that he subscribes to the Pat Riley way is a very positive attribute in my book.

-The fact that he understands what is successful in today's NBA is huge and a distinct break from the prior regime (Hornacek, PJax etc.).
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RE: Fizdale on with Francesa  
bceagle05 : 5/9/2018 3:55 pm : link
In comment 13959498 Chris684 said:
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Just said Lance Thomas is a "swiss army knife" and likened him to Draymond Green.

Yippee!


Hahahahahaha
RE: Fizdale on with Francesa  
Enzo : 5/9/2018 3:57 pm : link
In comment 13959498 Chris684 said:
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Just said Lance Thomas is a "swiss army knife" and likened him to Draymond Green.

Yippee!

I'm just going to pretend he didn't say that.

RE: Dan I agree  
DanMetroMan : 5/9/2018 4:24 pm : link
In comment 13959504 Carl in CT said:
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Just see a limited offensive game from Bamba. That could change as he is still very young.


I think Bamba has a legit shot at developing 3 point range and I love how high IQ he is to go with his physical gifts. He and KP could be scary for teams with their height/length.
RE: No point in rushing KP  
TyreeHelmet : 5/9/2018 4:24 pm : link
In comment 13959443 LawrenceTaylor56 said:
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back to be honest.


Totally agree. Id give him the Paul George treatment and let him come back at the end of the season for some game reps- but be very very cautious.

It sucks but tanking next year is probably the best course. Without KP this roster is probably the worst in the league anyway.
I think the Knicks should keep KP out all season too,  
Keith : 5/9/2018 4:30 pm : link
but it has nothing to do with his knee. They can use that as an excuse, but he will be healed by November. They see what Philly is doing and has done and we should mimic that.
Much as I opposed the Fizdale hire  
Phil in LA : 5/9/2018 4:33 pm : link
he said all the right things yesterday, and threw out the first pitch at the Yankee game, so I'm now pulling for him.
If the Knicks do end up getting a big  
giantsfan44ab : 5/9/2018 4:40 pm : link
In the draft, Id look at smart in FA. Obviously dont over pay and I know his shooting numbers arent great but he makes teams win more games. He can legitimately guard 3 positions and rebounds and passes well. When his 3 point shot falls hes an elite player. If Burke can sustain his offensive game, the Knicks can make up for defense with Frank, smart, KP and Bamba.

Obviously wouldnt help a tank though.
I think it's likely that KP gets some game action later in the year.  
yatqb : 5/9/2018 6:26 pm : link
It not only lets him gain confidence but shows potential FAs that he's back and healthy.
RE: Fizdale on with Francesa  
BigBlueShock : 5/9/2018 7:10 pm : link
In comment 13959498 Chris684 said:
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Just said Lance Thomas is a "swiss army knife" and likened him to Draymond Green.

Yippee!

Lance Thomas is comparable to Draymond Green like I am to LeBron James.
RE: I think the Knicks should keep KP out all season too,  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/9/2018 7:11 pm : link
In comment 13959557 Keith said:
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but it has nothing to do with his knee. They can use that as an excuse, but he will be healed by November. They see what Philly is doing and has done and we should mimic that.

You cant do that. Hold a player out the whole season because you want to tank? KP would file a grievance and most certainly walk when his contract is up, and rightfully so.
RE: RE: Fizdale on with Francesa  
nygiants16 : 5/9/2018 7:59 pm : link
In comment 13959655 BigBlueShock said:
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In comment 13959498 Chris684 said:


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Just said Lance Thomas is a "swiss army knife" and likened him to Draymond Green.

Yippee!


Lance Thomas is comparable to Draymond Green like I am to LeBron James.


I cant stand lance Thomas but fizdale is not going to bad mouth any player ok n the roster
RE: RE: RE: Fizdale on with Francesa  
LawrenceTaylor56 : 5/9/2018 8:21 pm : link
In comment 13959697 nygiants16 said:
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In comment 13959655 BigBlueShock said:


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In comment 13959498 Chris684 said:


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Just said Lance Thomas is a "swiss army knife" and likened him to Draymond Green.

Yippee!


Lance Thomas is comparable to Draymond Green like I am to LeBron James.



I cant stand lance Thomas but fizdale is not going to bad mouth any player ok n the roster


You're a good poster. But my god you suck at typing.
Haha damn touch screen on my phone  
nygiants16 : 5/9/2018 8:25 pm : link
And I post to fast and I dont check
RE: RE: I think the Knicks should keep KP out all season too,  
giantsfan44ab : 5/9/2018 11:03 pm : link
In comment 13959658 Jim in Fairfax said:
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In comment 13959557 Keith said:


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but it has nothing to do with his knee. They can use that as an excuse, but he will be healed by November. They see what Philly is doing and has done and we should mimic that.


You cant do that. Hold a player out the whole season because you want to tank? KP would file a grievance and most certainly walk when his contract is up, and rightfully so.


Pacers did it with PG, Philly did it with Simmons and Embiid. Porzingis is coming of an acl injury, if he plays it will be for limited minutes and lots of DNPs. Lets not overreact here.
Colin Sexton  
RAIN : 5/10/2018 12:49 pm : link
Is my guy at 9, unless Bomba and/or Young are available. Gilgeous Alexander is really interesting as well.

Mikal Bridges is very intriguing as glue guy and 3/D, but his lack of quickness scares me against the Uber athletic wings he will see in the league.

RE: Colin Sexton  
giantsfan44ab : 5/10/2018 12:57 pm : link
In comment 13960313 RAIN said:
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Is my guy at 9, unless Bomba and/or Young are available. Gilgeous Alexander is really interesting as well.

Mikal Bridges is very intriguing as glue guy and 3/D, but his lack of quickness scares me against the Uber athletic wings he will see in the league.


Sexton is surely talented, but the NBA is filled with talented PGs. What skills allow Sexton to become an elite, or even top 15 PG? He wasn't prolific from beyond the arc, his usage rate was more than 50% of SGA's and averaged more TOs and half the assists...that's alarming even for a "one man show" offense (and Bama was a solid team overall). Pairing Sexton with Frank in the backcourt is a scary proposition to me in the chance neither becomes an elite 3 point shooter. You would be going in the exact opposite direction of the NBA at that point. I'd be more comfortable with SGA or Young if the Knicks are going PG (which I don't think they should).
I would love Sexton  
Heisenberg : 5/10/2018 1:33 pm : link
I've loved that kid since the Minnesota game where he nearly dragged them to a comeback playing 3 on 5. Sure, the Knicks "have a lot of guards" but they've had the worst backcourts in the NBA for 15+ years now. I'd love to have too many good guards.
I'd rank the NYK choices as follows:  
Pep22 : 5/10/2018 1:40 pm : link
1 Bagley - ultimate compliment to KP, tireless worker, will be a great defender/rebounder plus score it effeciently from inside

2 Bamba - I have him > Ayton but both are extraordinary big prospects

3 Ayton

4 Doncic

5 Porter if healthy

6 Jackson

7 Mikal Bridges

8 SGA

9 Zhaire Smith
Sexton  
Jon in NYC : 5/10/2018 1:41 pm : link
would be an awful pick. They want a wing and there should be wings available.
Bagley is an AWFUL  
dep026 : 5/10/2018 1:47 pm : link
defender. One of the reasons why duke had to go Zone.
I  
DanMetroMan : 5/10/2018 1:51 pm : link
predict Bamba goes a lot higher than people think. He's active, ridiculously long, has range from as deep the 3 point line, really intelligent, hard worker. Enough comparing him to lame brained Noel. This kid with KP could be a nasty, nasty combo.
Ive done a complete 180 on Bagley  
giantsfan44ab : 5/10/2018 2:23 pm : link
I have no doubt hell be a big time scorer in the league, but I want solid 2 way players to fill out the rest of the roster. In the chance he never becomes a reliable shooter or good defender youre looking at Brandan Wright.

Im with Jon, need a wing. The bigs Id be OK with are JJJ, Ayton and Bamba. Ayton had a bad defensive year too but he gives you spacing on offense and has the size to give him an edge defensively over Bagley.

I like Carter, more so than Bagley, wouldnt hate him but Id def go with one of the wings (Porter, doncic, Bridgeses).
I'm  
Jon in NYC : 5/10/2018 2:37 pm : link
pretty sure it's Bridgi
Carter  
Pep22 : 5/10/2018 2:46 pm : link
is one of a few I don't care for.

Strikes me as a Trey Lyles type. Solid skills but athletically ordinary.
Knicks draft  
ghost718 : 5/10/2018 2:50 pm : link
I like

Doncic - Probably won't be there
Troy Brown - Comparisons range from Evan Turner or Paul Pierce,I tend to lean more towards Pierce
Wendell Carter - I also like him more than Bagley
Trae Young - Not sure he fits our defensive team,tough to see him not being a good player.Excellent passer

2nd round

Jevon Carter - This guy is right off the 90's teams
Elie Okobo
RE: Carter  
giantsfan44ab : 5/10/2018 3:04 pm : link
In comment 13960434 Pep22 said:
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is one of a few I don't care for.

Strikes me as a Trey Lyles type. Solid skills but athletically ordinary.


Trey Lyles had a killer season this year (still only 22). I can't say I watched a whole lot of NCAA aside from the tournament, but from scouting videos/reports I'm seeing that Carter moves really well for a big. He's 260, 35 pounds more than Lyles. He'll assuredly lose weight in the NBA, which makes me interested in his athletic upside. If he moved well as a 260 pound human then I remain optimistic if he loses 10-15 pounds.

The comp I'm seeing with him is Derrick Favors, not a rim protector but a good individual defender. Carter also is a promising 3 point shooter and passer. If he ends up being a decent defender he is as modern of a big as you can find.
Carter  
Pep22 : 5/10/2018 3:10 pm : link
I'm hoping for a better athlete, probably a wing since the elite BIGs will be gone
RE: Carter  
giantsfan44ab : 5/10/2018 3:21 pm : link
In comment 13960471 Pep22 said:
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I'm hoping for a better athlete, probably a wing since the elite BIGs will be gone


Same, just think Carter is a better defensive player than Bagley. As draymond shows, being explosive doesn't really correlate to good defense. Carter also has an NBA offensive game that I don't see with Bagley.

I like JJJ out of all the bigs, he is both athletic and flashes great defensive ability (needs to tone down the aggression) and is both a lob target and floor spacer on offense, which is a rarity.
Gimme  
DanMetroMan : 5/10/2018 3:22 pm : link
Musa round 2 (if he somehow falls).
Really  
giantsfan44ab : 5/10/2018 3:24 pm : link
I'm pretty much fine with anyone outside Bagley, Young and Sexton
What about diallo second round?  
nygiants16 : 5/10/2018 3:25 pm : link
Risk high reward type of player you take in 2nd
Still catching up on the lottery/1st round talents  
giantsfan44ab : 5/10/2018 3:34 pm : link
I was a fan of Bruce Brown from Miami last year, but he seemed to regress a little, shot 25% from 3.

I like the whole lot of Kansas prospects. Graham, Newman and the Russian kid. Probably all role players but have translatable NBA skills.

I hate Grayson Allen but should be a role player, plus it would be hilarious having him on your team just to piss off other teams/fans.
The guy  
Jon in NYC : 5/10/2018 3:37 pm : link
I want is Trevon Duval. I think his game was an awful fit at Duke and he'll be a better pro than college player. He has bounce like Young Derrick Rose.
Also Jontay porter  
giantsfan44ab : 5/10/2018 3:38 pm : link
(Michael Porter's brother) is an ideal modern 5, but I'm seeing him in the 1st round in mocks.
The  
Jon in NYC : 5/10/2018 3:39 pm : link
guy I want in the 2nd, to clarify.
RE: Still catching up on the lottery/1st round talents  
nygiants16 : 5/10/2018 3:44 pm : link
In comment 13960492 giantsfan44ab said:
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I was a fan of Bruce Brown from Miami last year, but he seemed to regress a little, shot 25% from 3.

I like the whole lot of Kansas prospects. Graham, Newman and the Russian kid. Probably all role players but have translatable NBA skills.

I hate Grayson Allen but should be a role player, plus it would be hilarious having him on your team just to piss off other teams/fans.


Loved watching Graham play, reminds me a little bit of rozier, not a pure point but he is going to go out there knock down 3s and play as hard as he can and just be a pain for the other team...
Im surprised Graham stayed in school  
giantsfan44ab : 5/10/2018 3:53 pm : link
as long as he did, I think he could've slipped into the first after his sophomore year.
If you could guarantee  
djm : 5/10/2018 7:13 pm : link
That kps long term health wont be compromised the knee thing might be a weird blessing in the long run. We all shouted that theory down the week the injury occurred but it stands to reason that the Knicks wont be anything special next year on their best day and the whole tank thing does make sense. You might even be able to hold off signing KP for that extra year and gain more space but that sounds like a pipe dream.

Just tell me he comes back fine and the injury wont really hurt in the grand scheme. Could even be a boon if they caught the right lotto draft pick as a result.

Ive made peace with another shitty season but I actually enjoyed watching the Knicks down the stretch this season because of frank and Burke and the other younger players. They will have even more young talent next year so the season should be somewhat interesting no matter what. And by seasons end, maybe KP comes back for a few games, could be fun.

Thats all I got, trying to find something to hold on to....
Fizdale insisting on conditioning...  
manh george : 5/10/2018 7:31 pm : link
could be intriguing wrt Mudiay. A lot of observers seemed to believe that the biggest problem with Mudiay was lack of sufficient conditioning.

In the draft, I assume we don't move up in the lottery, in which case the logical selection is a sf. I would guess Mikal Bridges. I hate the idea of going pg as some mocks still have us doing. We badly need a wing, and I want to see what Frank looks like after a full off-season of strength training.
RE: Fizdale insisting on conditioning...  
nygiants16 : 5/10/2018 8:08 pm : link
In comment 13960658 manh george said:
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could be intriguing wrt Mudiay. A lot of observers seemed to believe that the biggest problem with Mudiay was lack of sufficient conditioning.

In the draft, I assume we don't move up in the lottery, in which case the logical selection is a sf. I would guess Mikal Bridges. I hate the idea of going pg as some mocks still have us doing. We badly need a wing, and I want to see what Frank looks like after a full off-season of strength training.


Hopefully he can use the miami school in conditioning
RE: Gimme  
Anakim : 5/10/2018 8:29 pm : link
In comment 13960482 DanMetroMan said:
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Musa round 2 (if he somehow falls).



I think the sleeper in all of this is Mitchell Robinson. He is insanely athletic for a 5. From the sounds of it, he reminds of a young Tyson Chandler and a better version of WCS.
Issue with Mudiay is  
giantsfan44ab : 5/11/2018 9:22 am : link
his hitch. Even when hes passing or making a layup its there. They got A season to take a look but Im keeping Burke over mudiay at this point
RE: I  
djm : 5/11/2018 10:22 am : link
In comment 13960375 DanMetroMan said:
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predict Bamba goes a lot higher than people think. He's active, ridiculously long, has range from as deep the 3 point line, really intelligent, hard worker. Enough comparing him to lame brained Noel. This kid with KP could be a nasty, nasty combo.


I dont think theres a chance in hell bamba slips to the knicks if the lottery goes according to chalk. Someones gonna fall in love with his potential. Probably more than one team will.
RE: RE: I  
giantsfan44ab : 5/11/2018 10:48 am : link
In comment 13960971 djm said:
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In comment 13960375 DanMetroMan said:


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predict Bamba goes a lot higher than people think. He's active, ridiculously long, has range from as deep the 3 point line, really intelligent, hard worker. Enough comparing him to lame brained Noel. This kid with KP could be a nasty, nasty combo.



I dont think theres a chance in hell bamba slips to the knicks if the lottery goes according to chalk. Someones gonna fall in love with his potential. Probably more than one team will.


You really think 5 centers go in the top 8 picks? I guess there is somewhat of a need for big men by all the top teams that are picking. I certainly hope thats the case.
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Wow.  
Anakim : 5/11/2018 11:24 am : link
Adrian Wojnarowski

Verified account

@wojespn

Toronto has fired coach Dwane Casey, league source tells ESPN.
RE: Wow.  
nygiants16 : 5/11/2018 11:29 am : link
In comment 13961018 Anakim said:
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Adrian Wojnarowski

Verified account

@wojespn

Toronto has fired coach Dwane Casey, league source tells ESPN.



Can not get rid of the overpaid players, so have to get rid of coach of the year...

Makes sense
Toronto always has outperformed their talent level  
giantsfan44ab : 5/11/2018 11:31 am : link
maybe some specific coaching in the playoffs led to his fall. Lowry and Derozan were basically backup quality for their first few years in the league. Derozan transformed drastically, but I'd still argue that Toronto doesn't have a top 20 player on their roster and has been a top seed in the East the past few years. Obviously talent gets exposed in the playoffs.
Wonder if the ol' switcheroo is in the cards  
Anakim : 5/11/2018 11:31 am : link
SVG to Toronto; Casey to Detroit
I'd rather have Casey than Fizdale  
Greg from LI : 5/11/2018 11:35 am : link
Oh well
RE: Wonder if the ol' switcheroo is in the cards  
nygiants16 : 5/11/2018 11:37 am : link
In comment 13961026 Anakim said:
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SVG to Toronto; Casey to Detroit


Stan van gundy is awful, I dont know how he keeps getting jobs
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