but the reality is, the burden of proof to get indicted in a criminal case isn't very high. He would've been a 21-year old graduate assistant at RPI back in August of 1996.
To say he's going to lose his job over an allegation from 22 years ago that never even went to trial is ridiculous.
You're 100% right. And 100% wrong, unfortunately.
The court of public opinion is so vicious these days that anything that sniffs of guilt - regardless of the circumstances - brings out the vultures. And when they begin to circle there is usually no escape.
The woman will not be coming forward to say he didn't do it - you can be pretty sure of that.
If she turns up and says he did it, then he is probably finished. If she does not turn up, and nothing else is unearthed, then things will probably proceed as they would have.
Interestingly, according to the Detroit News, who were the first to report on this, a New Jersey-based private investigation firm requested copies of the indictment and dismissal from the prosecutor’s office back in January.
A grand jury found probable cause for an indictment... the case did not go to trial apparently because the victim chose to not proceed with the trial. This is exactly the type of victim for whom the MeToo movement is fighting. And they will fight hard until they get some semblance of justice. In this case, probably Patricia's termination as head coach. If Bob Quinn knew about this before hiring Patricia, he will likely be fired for gross lack of judgement. If he did not know about this, he will likely be fired for gross negligence. Either way, it is devastating to the team, the city and its fans.
Pat Shurmur could not have been a better choice for the Giants. In a very short period of time, David Gettleman has been virtually flawless in his decision making as our GM...
It is good to be a Giants fan this morning!
Taking any action based on a Grand Jury indictiment Â
would make me leery. I feel like it's so low a bar that it's practically resting on the ground. But the fact that an actual prosecutor did not see enough to move forward, whatever happened 22 years ago and it's basically firing a guy based only upon an allegation seems too much to me.
Gettleman's reported first preference was Patricia.
DG again dodging bullets because he cant even get out of his own way.
Wanted to pay a G, OT money
Gave non probowl OT, top OT money
drafted a RB, after signing a RB to big $
Wow! $1.4 Million an $2.3 Million (2019) is big money? Maybe twenty years ago it was. And wanting to pay a G OT money? Well, someone else did so DG was not alone in valuing this player. And he NEEDED to over pay for Solder. Would you rather have Flowers playing LT this year?
So probably not much there. Funny there was an indictment but the DA decides not to prosecute. I would not but much time in this one.
he was indicted by a jury.
Reading comprehension not big with you, eh? I said he was indicted, but so what. If a DA wants an indictment he gets one. Not hard. He is unopposed, there are no rebuttals. Can state only the facts he wants the grand jury to see.
RE: RE: If the woman comes forward and says it didn't happen, he's fine. Â
The woman will not be coming forward to say he didn't do it - you can be pretty sure of that.
If she turns up and says he did it, then he is probably finished. If she does not turn up, and nothing else is unearthed, then things will probably proceed as they would have.
Interestingly, according to the Detroit News, who were the first to report on this, a New Jersey-based private investigation firm requested copies of the indictment and dismissal from the prosecutor’s office back in January.
Of course, they were working for the evil John Mara. The one who secretly controls the NFL from atop a penthouse in midtown, who ensures that the Cowboys and Redskins are continually in cap hell and fines them at the most inopportune times. Patricia rebuffs the Giants? He'll pay for that...
"Giants make mistake not hiring Patricia" - Gary Myers Â
This guy has been a coach on multiple super bowl teams where the media uncovers every tiny story during Super Bowl week and no one unearthed this? He’s in Detroit for 15 minutes and this pops up. Crazy
So probably not much there. Funny there was an indictment but the DA decides not to prosecute. I would not but much time in this one.
he was indicted by a jury.
Reading comprehension not big with you, eh? I said he was indicted, but so what. If a DA wants an indictment he gets one. Not hard. He is unopposed, there are no rebuttals. Can state only the facts he wants the grand jury to see.
I was on a grand jury once for a month in Georgia. we looked at over 400 cases, only 2 times we did not give indictments and both times the cop they put on the stand basically said that the people were innocent and one of those cases had video proof that the guy was innocent. So indictments do not mean much.
I was on a grand jury once for a month in Georgia. we looked at over 400 cases, only 2 times we did not give indictments and both times the cop they put on the stand basically said that the people were innocent and one of those cases had video proof that the guy was innocent. So indictments do not mean much.
That was my experience here in NY as well. Although, we did wobble a little about the ham sandwich because we thought it might have been really been the pickle that did it, but in the end, the DA got his indictment.
would have thought that the two colleges (Syracuse & Amherst) he coached at following this incident would have vetted him thoroughly, but apparently they didn't have this information either.
RE: If the woman comes forward and says it didn't happen, he's fine. Â
I'm not usually one to jump to the conclusion when something happens that society will force you out. But this does not look good. He was indicted for the incident. That's not just an accusation. That's a formal criminal indictment by a grand jury meaning enough evidence was there.
And the statement by the Lions of “Matt was 21 at the time and on spring break in Texas” is an example of a stupid response. What is the point of that statement? Because it reads like, well, he was young and dumb so...
The pressure will be put on them now. I don't know if he is going to survive it.
the #MeToo movement. Assuming Patricia was indeed falsely accused, in the court of public opinion he will be portrayed guilty rather than innocent with no direct or clear path to clear his name.
“Matt was 21 at the time and on spring break in Texas”, it sure doesnt sound like they think he was falsely accused. That reads to me like an admission of guilt.
Lions released a statement saying they're keeping him, Â
the #MeToo movement. Assuming Patricia was indeed falsely accused, in the court of public opinion he will be portrayed guilty rather than innocent with no direct or clear path to clear his name.
Why would someone start a movement like this and call it "pound me too?"
Lol relax bro, odds are it disappears in no time
Belechick ....?
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This being brought up? What purpose does this serve? How was it discovered? Who disclosed it?
Belechick ....?
Of course
he was indicted by a jury.
DG again dodging bullets because he cant even get out of his own way.
Wanted to pay a G, OT money
Gave non probowl OT, top OT money
drafted a RB, after signing a RB to big $
You're 100% right. And 100% wrong, unfortunately.
The court of public opinion is so vicious these days that anything that sniffs of guilt - regardless of the circumstances - brings out the vultures. And when they begin to circle there is usually no escape.
he was indicted
he was indicted
If she can't be found, or is dead, or can't or won't speak, it becomes the elephant in the room, and it's in every room he walks into.
Are you sure you aren't from Flushing or Bensonhurst?
The woman will not be coming forward to say he didn't do it - you can be pretty sure of that.
If she turns up and says he did it, then he is probably finished. If she does not turn up, and nothing else is unearthed, then things will probably proceed as they would have.
Interestingly, according to the Detroit News, who were the first to report on this, a New Jersey-based private investigation firm requested copies of the indictment and dismissal from the prosecutor’s office back in January.
One wonders who they were working for.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2018/05/09/matt-patricia-indicted-sex-assault/34742627/
100 percent. Although I do love McDaniels as an offensive mind
DG again dodging bullets because he cant even get out of his own way.
Wanted to pay a G, OT money
Gave non probowl OT, top OT money
drafted a RB, after signing a RB to big $
Is somebody still mad that we didn’t draft a QB?
Exactly my initial reaction to hearing this.
New York Media would have had a field day with this.
Pat Shurmur could not have been a better choice for the Giants. In a very short period of time, David Gettleman has been virtually flawless in his decision making as our GM...
It is good to be a Giants fan this morning!
huygens20 : 1:22 am : link : reply
Gettleman's reported first preference was Patricia.
DG again dodging bullets because he cant even get out of his own way.
Wanted to pay a G, OT money
Gave non probowl OT, top OT money
drafted a RB, after signing a RB to big $
Are you fucking kidding me??
DG again dodging bullets because he cant even get out of his own way.
Wanted to pay a G, OT money
Gave non probowl OT, top OT money
drafted a RB, after signing a RB to big $
Wow! $1.4 Million an $2.3 Million (2019) is big money? Maybe twenty years ago it was. And wanting to pay a G OT money? Well, someone else did so DG was not alone in valuing this player. And he NEEDED to over pay for Solder. Would you rather have Flowers playing LT this year?
I am guessing you do not like our GM.
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So probably not much there. Funny there was an indictment but the DA decides not to prosecute. I would not but much time in this one.
he was indicted by a jury.
Reading comprehension not big with you, eh? I said he was indicted, but so what. If a DA wants an indictment he gets one. Not hard. He is unopposed, there are no rebuttals. Can state only the facts he wants the grand jury to see.
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The woman will not be coming forward to say he didn't do it - you can be pretty sure of that.
If she turns up and says he did it, then he is probably finished. If she does not turn up, and nothing else is unearthed, then things will probably proceed as they would have.
Interestingly, according to the Detroit News, who were the first to report on this, a New Jersey-based private investigation firm requested copies of the indictment and dismissal from the prosecutor’s office back in January.
One wonders who they were working for.
https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports/nfl/lions/2018/05/09/matt-patricia-indicted-sex-assault/34742627/
Of course, they were working for the evil John Mara. The one who secretly controls the NFL from atop a penthouse in midtown, who ensures that the Cowboys and Redskins are continually in cap hell and fines them at the most inopportune times. Patricia rebuffs the Giants? He'll pay for that...
DG again dodging bullets because he cant even get out of his own way.
Wanted to pay a G, OT money
Gave non probowl OT, top OT money
drafted a RB, after signing a RB to big $
Reported by whom? Pat Leonard? Gary Myers?
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So probably not much there. Funny there was an indictment but the DA decides not to prosecute. I would not but much time in this one.
he was indicted by a jury.
Reading comprehension not big with you, eh? I said he was indicted, but so what. If a DA wants an indictment he gets one. Not hard. He is unopposed, there are no rebuttals. Can state only the facts he wants the grand jury to see.
I was on a grand jury once for a month in Georgia. we looked at over 400 cases, only 2 times we did not give indictments and both times the cop they put on the stand basically said that the people were innocent and one of those cases had video proof that the guy was innocent. So indictments do not mean much.
I was on a grand jury once for a month in Georgia. we looked at over 400 cases, only 2 times we did not give indictments and both times the cop they put on the stand basically said that the people were innocent and one of those cases had video proof that the guy was innocent. So indictments do not mean much.
That was my experience here in NY as well. Although, we did wobble a little about the ham sandwich because we thought it might have been really been the pickle that did it, but in the end, the DA got his indictment.
If she can't be found, or is dead, or can't or won't speak, it becomes the elephant in the room, and it's in every room he walks into.
^^^This. The guy is now radioactive.
DG again dodging bullets because he cant even get out of his own way.
Wanted to pay a G, OT money
Gave non probowl OT, top OT money
drafted a RB, after signing a RB to big $
LMAO...You either are the worse troll I have seen on here or the dumbest Giants fan.
And the statement by the Lions of “Matt was 21 at the time and on spring break in Texas” is an example of a stupid response. What is the point of that statement? Because it reads like, well, he was young and dumb so...
The pressure will be put on them now. I don't know if he is going to survive it.
I have a hard time understanding what there is to investigate going forward.
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To say he's going to lose his job over an allegation from 22 years ago that never even went to trial is ridiculous.
he was indicted
And to resurrect a quote from Frank Hogan, back in the 50's or 60's the District Attorney of Manhattan:
"If I want to I can indict a ham sandwich."
If the accuser goes public and reiterates the charges he could have big problems. If not this will go away.
Not with respect to getting fired by the Lions.
Why would someone start a movement like this and call it "pound me too?"