Where would Barkley be taken, based on scouting of these players prior to draft, not based on performance in the NFL after being draft, when compared to other top 5 picks over the last 10 years:
Top 5 draft picks each year since 2008
QB-Jared Goff
QB-Carson Wentz
QB-Sam Darnold
QB-Jameis Winston
QB-Marcos Mariota
QB-Baker Mayfield
QB-Blake Bortles
QB-Andrew Luck
QB-Robert Griffin III
QB-Cam Newton
QB-Sam Bradford
QB-Matt Stafford
RB-Ezekiel Elliot
RB-Leonard Fournette
RB-SaQuon Barkley
RB-Trent Richardson
WR-Corey Davis
WR-Amari Cooper
WR-Sammy Watkins
WR-Justin Blackmon
WR-AJ Green
OT-Greg Robinson
OT-Eric Fisher
OT-Luke Joeckel
OT-Lane Johnson
OT-Matt Kalil
OT-Jason Smith
OG-Brandon Scherff
DT-Marcell Dareus
DT-Ndamukong Suh
DT-Gerald McCoy
DT-Tyson jACKSON
DE-Myles Garrett
DE-Jadeveon Clooney
DE-Bradley Chubb
DE-Solomon Thomas
DE-Dante Fowler Jr.
DE-Khalil Mack
DE-Dion Jordan
DE-Ezekiel Ansah
LB-Von Miller
LB-Aaron Curry
CB-Jalen Ramsey
CB-Patrick Peterson
S-Eric Berry
Outside of the QBs, and without hinsight....in terms of predraft hype, the only players I think would potentially go higher than SB are:
Garrett
Clowney
Greg Robinson
Trent Richardson
Suh
75% of the DEs
50% of the OTs
100% of the CBs
50% of the DTs
I think youre nuts.
Barkley is widely considered the cleanest draft prospect in over a decade. Maybe excluding luck.
100%, not even close.
Bradford was a great prospect coming out of college.
& positional value.
he gets drafted behind every QB on that list-- not even close.
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guys drafted above him
I think youre nuts.
Barkley is widely considered the cleanest draft prospect in over a decade. Maybe excluding luck.
There are gonna be people who had Elliot graded higher than Barkley.
Now explain to me how Barkley isnt drafted near the bottom?
Every QB gets drafted above him
Both CBs get taken
50% of the WRs
50% of the OTs
90% of the DE/EDGE
50% of the DTs
then we can talk RBs and even if hes a better prospect than Elliot.
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Lol you lost all credibility when u said Sam Bradford would be selected over Saquon smh..
100%, not even close.
Bradford was a great prospect coming out of college.
& positional value.
he gets drafted behind every QB on that list-- not even close.
Thats just dumb because a lot of the qbs were not even as highly regarded as this class including Bradford. Bradford was Josh Rosen....injury issues and it stuck.
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Lol you lost all credibility when u said Sam Bradford would be selected over Saquon smh..
100%, not even close.
Bradford was a great prospect coming out of college.
& positional value.
he gets drafted behind every QB on that list-- not even close.
Thats just dumb because a lot of the qbs were not even as highly regarded as this class including Bradford. Bradford was Josh Rosen....injury issues and it stuck.
the question was
QBs rated coming out of college. Not how well they did in pros.
Bradford was rated very highly out of college.
Point is immaterial to begin with-- any QB that was taken top 5, has higher positional value over Barkley/Elliot--
thats an incontrovertible fact
I guess we need to caveat Baker Mayfield though...so give that an asterick.
Bill L : 7:40 am : link : reply
would have been taken ahead of Barkley ("and it's not even close"). The experiment was already done. And guess what the result was.
A guy screaming with bluster that Barkley would go behind 100% of the QB's - and has multiple posts about it is too fucking dense to realize Barkley was already taken in front of a QB on the list!!
You really can't make this shit up.
Probably not playing with a full deck if he can't even figure out what 100% means, several times restated for emphasis.
I guess we're getting a preview of how Barkley's name will be butchered going forward.
So he would likely be below most of the QBs.
However, of all the non qbs on the list, Id put him 4th. Its a bit of a toss up but because of position impact Id put him only behind Suh,Myles,Von and possibly Clowney. The OTs arent like Ogden or Pace coming out though; Robinson was probably ranked the highest (even though he busted).
But I could still see a team picking him above all those guys the production, skillset,measurables and character are just too good.
He'd be above ALL the RBs because he is more of a gamechanger /homerun back with receiving ability than any of those guys.
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Lol you lost all credibility when u said Sam Bradford would be selected over Saquon smh..
100%, not even close.
Bradford was a great prospect coming out of college.
& positional value.
he gets drafted behind every QB on that list-- not even close.
Saquon has a case to be made that he is the most polished, best overall prospect out of that entire group...
But I’ll name some guys that have at least an argument..
Patrick Peterson, Jalen Ramsey, Von Miller, Joey Bosa (whom you omitted in the OP) Jadeveon Clowney, Myles Garrett, Ndamukong Suh, Matt Stafford, Sam Bradford, Cam Newton, Marcus Mariota, Jameis Winston, Jared Goff, Carson Wentz, Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III MIGHT HAVE, just might have, been considered better prospects than Barkley IMO
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Lol you lost all credibility when u said Sam Bradford would be selected over Saquon smh..
100%, not even close.
Bradford was a great prospect coming out of college.
& positional value.
he gets drafted behind every QB on that list-- not even close.
You literally can't say he gets drafted behind every QB on that list when he was drafted in front of Sam Darnold...
75% of the DEs
50% of the OTs
100% of the CBs
50% of the DTs
Well, considering that there is definitely a QB listed here that he was already drafted before, I'd say there is a 100% chance that you are an idiot.
75% of the DEs
50% of the OTs
100% of the CBs
50% of the DTs
BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHA
QB-Jared Goff A
QB-Carson WentzA
QB-Sam DarnoldB
QB-Jameis WinstonA
QB-Marcos MariotaE
QB-Baker MayfieldA
QB-Blake BortlesB
QB-Andrew LuckA
QB-Robert Griffin IIIE
QB-Cam NewtonA
QB-Sam BradfordE
QB-Matt StaffordA
RB-Ezekiel ElliotB
RB-Leonard FournetteB
RB-SaQuon Barkley
RB-Trent RichardsonB
WR-Corey DavisB
WR-Amari CooperA
WR-Sammy WatkinsA
WR-Justin BlackmonB
WR-AJ GreenE
OT-Greg RobinsonA
OT-Eric FisherB
OT-Luke JoeckelB
OT-Lane JohnsonB
OT-Matt KalilB
OT-Jason SmithB
OG-Brandon ScherffB
DT-Marcell DareusB
DT-Ndamukong SuhA
DT-Gerald McCoyA
DT-Tyson jACKSONB
DE-Myles GarrettA
DE-Jadeveon ClooneyA
DE-Bradley ChubbB
DE-Solomon ThomasB
DE-Dante Fowler Jr.B
DE-Khalil MackB
DE-Dion JordanB
DE-Ezekiel AnsahB
LB-Von MillerA
LB-Aaron CurryE
CB-Jalen RamseyE
CB-Patrick PetersonA
S-Eric BerryE
Hakeem Hicks.
The receivers less likely but Robinson had an incredible grade coming in to the NFL. (The fact that he busted is besides the point for this exercise).
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Sammy Watkins, Amari Cooper, and Greg Robinson ABOVE Barkley?
The receivers less likely but Robinson had an incredible grade coming in to the NFL. (The fact that he busted is besides the point for this exercise).
At a minimum, he's an E, IMO. NFL.com lists Robinson and Barkley with identical pre-draft grades, and there were definitely questions about Robinson entering the draft.
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Sammy Watkins, Amari Cooper, and Greg Robinson ABOVE Barkley?
The receivers less likely but Robinson had an incredible grade coming in to the NFL. (The fact that he busted is besides the point for this exercise).
At a minimum, he's an E, IMO. NFL.com lists Robinson and Barkley with identical pre-draft grades, and there were definitely questions about Robinson entering the draft.
I wouldn't necessarily argue that. If others shared Gettlemen's equal grade to Peyton than there would be no one on the list but a couple Qbs maybe like Luck.
Sorry- just Denzel Ward... why wasn’t he on the list?
I still can’t believe the Browns ended up with Mayfield and Ward when when could have had Darnold and Chubb. Or could have traded down from #4 and had Darnold and Ward plus more picks. It is rare for a QB with Mayfield’s measureables to succeed in the NFL, and regardless of the impression he made on them as a leader off the field, he’s proven that on the field he doesn’t have the unflappability needed to win as an NFL QB (something Darnold has at least proven even I wasn’t even super high on Darnold........ What a shitty franchise.
way wrong
Clearly, a group of QB's would go first, I think the group would look something like this:
Luck, Stafford, Newton, Goff, Wentz, Mayfield. Jameis, Mariota, and Bob Griffin might've gone before him. Probably Jameis and Mariota. Redskins gave up a lot to draft Griffin so he might've gone before him as well. There's an argument for Bradford (without benefit of hindsight), but I think he was more of the best of a weak class and St. Louis was so desperate for a QB they had to take him. All things being neutral I don't think he would've been a good enough prospect as a QB to go before Barkley.
Clowney was looked at as a generational talent as well, so I could see him going before Barkley.
Clearly, a group of QB's would go first, I think the group would look something like this:
Luck, Stafford, Newton, Goff, Wentz, Mayfield. Jameis, Mariota, and Bob Griffin might've gone before him. Probably Jameis and Mariota. Redskins gave up a lot to draft Griffin so he might've gone before him as well. There's an argument for Bradford (without benefit of hindsight), but I think he was more of the best of a weak class and St. Louis was so desperate for a QB they had to take him. All things being neutral I don't think he would've been a good enough prospect as a QB to go before Barkley.
Clowney was looked at as a generational talent as well, so I could see him going before Barkley.
Good list jim.to your point Very few non QBs would likely go ahead of him. Maybe Von and Suh.
Maybe???
Please! I guess I must have missed the "Suck for Barkley" campaign that ended with Barkely being the overall #1 pick.
Luck was the consensus #1 before, during and after the NCAA college FB season. He goes #1 over everybody on that list. Absolutely no question.