isn't it possible to comment that you see it differently rather then calling someone ignorant. You would never do that to a person when talking to them so why is it ok to do it on this group site.
My comments mentioned that Sheffield is on the smallish side. He is 5 11 but stocky so at least he might have some strength behind that arm. He has had more then this present injury in his minor league career. Wasn't he injured in this years fall league ? Hit by a fluke come backer? I believe he also had a minor injury the year befor in the minors. My point was I would prefer a bigger framed pitcher. Who wouldn't a la Randy Johnson. Notice Severino Verlander CC et al.I fear guys that are smaller like Gray have skills that seem to diminish quicker because of the physical demands of the game
More troubling is that posters can't seem to follow the basic rules that Eric set out to not insult fellow posters. Is that such a hard rule to follow? It takes a bit of disipline to hold back when you get frustrated with an opinion but I think it is the better way to go. Instead of calling a poster ignorant for something you perceive to be in error why not respond why you feel his facts or views are incorrect? How does it help by attacking a fellow BBi member ?
I am amazed at the level of ugly over a sports site and the obliviousness to manners. Its likely only a handful of posters but one rotten apple can spoil the barrel and put a vice on the free exchange of idea. Would you prefer to have a clique of 6?
Agree 100%. But you've been here long enough to know that it's not going to change.
quick question. If Mattingly and Boone swapped teams do you think the teams records would be different? Of course there's no way to tell but obviously my opinion is that they'd the exact same they are now. That's my point. I don't think managers matter at all unless the players hate them like Bobby Valentine in Boston or Matt Williams in Washington then it can be a problem.
I don't agree, arnie. Talent goes a long way, but leadership and
decision-making can make a big difference, imo. I've always thought that Joe Maddon was worth about 4-5 games a year when he managed in the AL. That's as much of a difference as many good players.
RE: Ryan if I made ill informed comments on Sheffield
isn't it possible to comment that you see it differently rather then calling someone ignorant. You would never do that to a person when talking to them so why is it ok to do it on this group site.
My comments mentioned that Sheffield is on the smallish side. He is 5 11 but stocky so at least he might have some strength behind that arm. He has had more then this present injury in his minor league career. Wasn't he injured in this years fall league ? Hit by a fluke come backer? I believe he also had a minor injury the year befor in the minors. My point was I would prefer a bigger framed pitcher. Who wouldn't a la Randy Johnson. Notice Severino Verlander CC et al.I fear guys that are smaller like Gray have skills that seem to diminish quicker because of the physical demands of the game
More troubling is that posters can't seem to follow the basic rules that Eric set out to not insult fellow posters. Is that such a hard rule to follow? It takes a bit of disipline to hold back when you get frustrated with an opinion but I think it is the better way to go. Instead of calling a poster ignorant for something you perceive to be in error why not respond why you feel his facts or views are incorrect? How does it help by attacking a fellow BBi member ?
I am amazed at the level of ugly over a sports site and the obliviousness to manners. Its likely only a handful of posters but one rotten apple can spoil the barrel and put a vice on the free exchange of idea. Would you prefer to have a clique of 6?
He has had no major injuries. Oblique and what is going on with his shoulder now. Hopefully that's all it is.
And yes, I would say what I said to you here to your face as well. If you think that was an insult, well, I don't know what to tell you.
quick question. If Mattingly and Boone swapped teams do you think the teams records would be different? Of course there's no way to tell but obviously my opinion is that they'd the exact same they are now. That's my point. I don't think managers matter at all unless the players hate them like Bobby Valentine in Boston or Matt Williams in Washington then it can be a problem.
I think if Mattingly was manager, the record would be better. I'm not sure Boone did a good job getting the team ready through Spring Training. Thought he did not play the starters enough. But that is just my observation.
If managers don't matter, why did Girardi get let go? Why did toheCubs go after Joe Maddon? Why was Terry Collins fired. Why did the Indians hire Tito Francona's and why did to Sox tank when he left?
Yes talent makes managers look brilliant or like dolts. I always felt Joe Torre was overrated and actually a detriment later (say 2003 until let go.) And I think to some extent you are right that a loaded team could play themselves. But some teams need to be "managed."
Does Boone know baseball? Yeah, it has been his family's life. But as a catcher and a later as a coach and manager for longer than Boone was a big leaguer, Girardi knows the intricacies of baseball more thoroughly. Catchers have always been field managers and you see an exorbitant number that become managers. Thay handle pitchers and set the defense.
I have to admit Boone has been better than I thought and you can see him picking things up. He makes a mistake and learns. He is very patient (see Gardner, Walker, Stanton) which I'm not sure Girardi would be.
did everything humanly possible to lose the world series two years. No matter how hard he tried his players still won it. But I agree that Maddon was a difference maker when he took over in Tampa. Buck was a difference maker when he took over in Baltimore. I agree there's something that's hard to define about setting a tone .I'm not sure it lasts long and over the grind of 162 games it's just the players that matter for me. But the word was that Girardi was fired because Cashman convinced Hall that his uptight personality was a negative in the dugout in close games. I grew up on Earl Weaver and Billy Martin and they were certainly difference makers but they were still pretty much useless without really good players.
I get your point about managers but I don't think its 100%
Take Torre. Had a terrible record as manager in the NL but had poor teams . Comes to the Yanks and becomes the second coming of Joe McCarthy when given loads of high priced talent. Maybe great players have a way of making managers look great
We could look at basketball and Phil Jackson. He was like a God in LA. Comes to NY where he had a dearth of talent. Exposed as mortal
Take the miracle on ice; USA hockey Olympics team in the 80's. How did the Americans win that metal? Did our Coaching kill it?
Managers light a fire. In the older days they could light a fire under some asses and get the ball rolling.Billy Martin???
Harder to find a Willie Mays then a manager. Not really sure if there are that many special managers but there are some hideous ones. I suppose you just get one that doesn't rock the boat and focus on acquiring talent. Because talent wins more then managers
Torre performed a great service for the Yankees from 1996-2001. He wasn't intimidated by George and he kept him as under control as possible during those times. That was a big deal in a special case. But Torre is the perfect example of mangers being "pretty much" meaningless. He finished first once his first 15 years and then finished first 10 out of 11 years. It's not like a light switch went on. He got to mange a great team that Stick & Buck put together for him.
"Pretty much". There are plenty of relief pitchers who could tell you how he ended their careers 3 or 4 years early by abusing them. Plus he should have been fired for what happened in 2004 a lot of which happened because of the way he abused relief pitchers. Having said all of that it was still the players that really lost those games.
The more time goes on , the more I understand letting Girardi go
having a great team sure makes it easier to win. But as others have said, those inside the team's culture know how one manager can inspire and another suck the air out of a team, how one manager's decisions seem to pay off more regularly than is typical, and others are at best puzzling and at worst seem brain-dead. C'mon, just like in any other arena, talent (in this case in a manager) pays off.
My comments mentioned that Sheffield is on the smallish side. He is 5 11 but stocky so at least he might have some strength behind that arm. He has had more then this present injury in his minor league career. Wasn't he injured in this years fall league ? Hit by a fluke come backer? I believe he also had a minor injury the year befor in the minors. My point was I would prefer a bigger framed pitcher. Who wouldn't a la Randy Johnson. Notice Severino Verlander CC et al.I fear guys that are smaller like Gray have skills that seem to diminish quicker because of the physical demands of the game
More troubling is that posters can't seem to follow the basic rules that Eric set out to not insult fellow posters. Is that such a hard rule to follow? It takes a bit of disipline to hold back when you get frustrated with an opinion but I think it is the better way to go. Instead of calling a poster ignorant for something you perceive to be in error why not respond why you feel his facts or views are incorrect? How does it help by attacking a fellow BBi member ?
I am amazed at the level of ugly over a sports site and the obliviousness to manners. Its likely only a handful of posters but one rotten apple can spoil the barrel and put a vice on the free exchange of idea. Would you prefer to have a clique of 6?
Agree 100%. But you've been here long enough to know that it's not going to change.
My comments mentioned that Sheffield is on the smallish side. He is 5 11 but stocky so at least he might have some strength behind that arm. He has had more then this present injury in his minor league career. Wasn't he injured in this years fall league ? Hit by a fluke come backer? I believe he also had a minor injury the year befor in the minors. My point was I would prefer a bigger framed pitcher. Who wouldn't a la Randy Johnson. Notice Severino Verlander CC et al.I fear guys that are smaller like Gray have skills that seem to diminish quicker because of the physical demands of the game
More troubling is that posters can't seem to follow the basic rules that Eric set out to not insult fellow posters. Is that such a hard rule to follow? It takes a bit of disipline to hold back when you get frustrated with an opinion but I think it is the better way to go. Instead of calling a poster ignorant for something you perceive to be in error why not respond why you feel his facts or views are incorrect? How does it help by attacking a fellow BBi member ?
I am amazed at the level of ugly over a sports site and the obliviousness to manners. Its likely only a handful of posters but one rotten apple can spoil the barrel and put a vice on the free exchange of idea. Would you prefer to have a clique of 6?
He has had no major injuries. Oblique and what is going on with his shoulder now. Hopefully that's all it is.
And yes, I would say what I said to you here to your face as well. If you think that was an insult, well, I don't know what to tell you.
I think if Mattingly was manager, the record would be better. I'm not sure Boone did a good job getting the team ready through Spring Training. Thought he did not play the starters enough. But that is just my observation.
If managers don't matter, why did Girardi get let go? Why did toheCubs go after Joe Maddon? Why was Terry Collins fired. Why did the Indians hire Tito Francona's and why did to Sox tank when he left?
Yes talent makes managers look brilliant or like dolts. I always felt Joe Torre was overrated and actually a detriment later (say 2003 until let go.) And I think to some extent you are right that a loaded team could play themselves. But some teams need to be "managed."
Does Boone know baseball? Yeah, it has been his family's life. But as a catcher and a later as a coach and manager for longer than Boone was a big leaguer, Girardi knows the intricacies of baseball more thoroughly. Catchers have always been field managers and you see an exorbitant number that become managers. Thay handle pitchers and set the defense.
I have to admit Boone has been better than I thought and you can see him picking things up. He makes a mistake and learns. He is very patient (see Gardner, Walker, Stanton) which I'm not sure Girardi would be.
We could look at basketball and Phil Jackson. He was like a God in LA. Comes to NY where he had a dearth of talent. Exposed as mortal
Take the miracle on ice; USA hockey Olympics team in the 80's. How did the Americans win that metal? Did our Coaching kill it?
Managers light a fire. In the older days they could light a fire under some asses and get the ball rolling.Billy Martin???
Harder to find a Willie Mays then a manager. Not really sure if there are that many special managers but there are some hideous ones. I suppose you just get one that doesn't rock the boat and focus on acquiring talent. Because talent wins more then managers
"Pretty much". There are plenty of relief pitchers who could tell you how he ended their careers 3 or 4 years early by abusing them. Plus he should have been fired for what happened in 2004 a lot of which happened because of the way he abused relief pitchers. Having said all of that it was still the players that really lost those games.
But no denying Joe was wound pretty tight, seemed as if he was burning out a bit and just needed some rest
Boone is very relaxed and so far has done a good job.
Only aspects of the game so far Boone < Joe is the bullpen management so far, but not like it's been bad , Joe was just elite at that aspect