Jordan tweets:
@JordanRaanan
Found it interesting that D-lineman B.J. Hill (third-round pick) hadn't heard or spoken to any defensive veterans yet. Leadership was a problem last year on that defense. #Giants
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Snacks responds:
@snacks
You’re reaching Jordan. Keep it up though...just stay away from me
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Play nasty my friends.
They will meet and greet when training camp starts .... What is Raanan talking about?
Now, social media’s changed that landscape...but I still think Snacks is better off ignoring it and letting these guys invent their BS drama during the dead of the offseason
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So now, Snacks should call out his “quitting teammates” on Twitter? Wtf am I reading here? How do you know he hasn’t called them out in the lockerroom? Where it should be done? He responds to a freaking shit stirring squirrel starting shit, and now he should go public with his teammates?
FFS man. The things a bad season will do to fans’ brains.
In the exchange with Banks he said he didn't do anything and told Banks to do it.
That may or not be true. I’m not talking about the exchange with Banks, but why would Snacks air the teams dirty laundry to Banks? I mean, aren’t we always saying that players or coaches should keep it in the locker room? Why would a player tell the media “yeah, I gave those guys hell today!”?
I’m sorry, I just absolutely despise the NY media. They go out of their way to make life miserable for anyone that doesn’t bow to them. Maybe that’s influencing my thinking on this but Jordan has always gone out of his way to create a story and create drama. He’s a freakin drama queen that feels like he has the right to say anything he wants with no fear of repercussions. It drives me crazy
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In comment 13962061 BigBlueShock said:
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So now, Snacks should call out his “quitting teammates” on Twitter? Wtf am I reading here? How do you know he hasn’t called them out in the lockerroom? Where it should be done? He responds to a freaking shit stirring squirrel starting shit, and now he should go public with his teammates?
FFS man. The things a bad season will do to fans’ brains.
In the exchange with Banks he said he didn't do anything and told Banks to do it.
That may or not be true. I’m not talking about the exchange with Banks, but why would Snacks air the teams dirty laundry to Banks? I mean, aren’t we always saying that players or coaches should keep it in the locker room? Why would a player tell the media “yeah, I gave those guys hell today!”?
I’m sorry, I just absolutely despise the NY media. They go out of their way to make life miserable for anyone that doesn’t bow to them. Maybe that’s influencing my thinking on this but Jordan has always gone out of his way to create a story and create drama. He’s a freakin drama queen that feels like he has the right to say anything he wants with no fear of repercussions. It drives me crazy
Listen, I agree. I despise our media for the most part as well. But just because we both feel that way doesn't justify what certain players do. Maybe Snacks did keep stuff inhouse but everything that Snacks has said isn't helping. Calling out Banks publicly but him saying he isn't calling out his own players doesn't help. Going on a radio show and saying you didn't want to be a captain because he knew guys were only there for the paycheck doesn't help and a horrible excuse. Now, going after Ranaan when Ranaan said we lacked leadership doesn't help. And I dont understand why people are saying Snacks only had 48 hours. He had over 2 weeks since Hill was drafted. Now, he doesn't have to call. That is his choice. Nobody said he had to. But when he calls out Ranaan saying he asked for his number and only got it today sounds like bullshit. Eli has gotten numbers instantly. We know Beckham has called people up. We hear this all the time. So, to say he asked for a number and onoy got it today sounds like what my students tell their parents when they have an assignment due. Attacking the media with weak examples just makes him look foolish. If he actually called him that would be a better answer. Or, just leave it alone and do your job and stop letting outside influences affect you. If it was a problem then maybe Snacks should have put more effort in. If it is not a problem then why take offense to that comment? It is like trolls here. Posting on their threads or commenting on their comments just gives them what they want.
So, I dont really see anybody justifying what Ranaan tweeted but rather how Snacks is feeding it.
Plus didn’t he just like as recently as last week just finish college? So that and being a new father would take up pretty much all his time
I learn something new on BBI everyday.,.
And the issue I have is Jordan didn’t just leave it at “nobody called”. He just HAD to throw in the leadership issues from last year. That is absolutely trying to rile people up. Perhaps Snacks should ignore it. But Jordan deserves everything he gets for out of the blue comments like tha, that serve no purpose than to see who he can piss off. He’s a little weasel.
Does anyone care?
I don’t care if they have or if they haven’t. Nice if they have... big deal if they haven’t. So exactly what’s making this information ‘interesting’? If Snack was seen blowing B.J. off on the field... THAT would be interesting. If Goodson is seen telling Carter to figure out how to be a pro on his own... THAT would be interesting and show (perhaps) a lack of leadership. Sorry but I hardly see not sending a guy a ‘Welcome to New York!’ text message or call a sign of a continued lack of leadership.
And the issue I have is Jordan didn’t just leave it at “nobody called”. He just HAD to throw in the leadership issues from last year. That is absolutely trying to rile people up. Perhaps Snacks should ignore it. But Jordan deserves everything he gets for out of the blue comments like tha, that serve no purpose than to see who he can piss off. He’s a little weasel.
Agreed. I am all about facts. Nobody called. Fact. Feel free to report that. After that, that is when these writers try to make a name for themselves. Still, this is the world we live in. Just leave well enough alone. Look at Flowers when he went after one of them (was it Ranaan?). It didn't help Flowers at all and just made him look foolish. As someone posted earlier, you aren't going to win against the media.
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I agree with you. But, I mean, how many third and fourth round picks receive immediate calls from leaders of the team to congratulate them? I honestly don’t know. Maybe it’s every single one of them. Or maybe it’s most of them. Do we really know the answer to this? It’s obviously common for top 5/10 picks since they are out there, in the spot light, but is it really a foregone conclusion that midround draft picks get calls from teammates?
And the issue I have is Jordan didn’t just leave it at “nobody called”. He just HAD to throw in the leadership issues from last year. That is absolutely trying to rile people up. Perhaps Snacks should ignore it. But Jordan deserves everything he gets for out of the blue comments like tha, that serve no purpose than to see who he can piss off. He’s a little weasel.
Agreed. I am all about facts. Nobody called. Fact. Feel free to report that. After that, that is when these writers try to make a name for themselves. Still, this is the world we live in. Just leave well enough alone. Look at Flowers when he went after one of them (was it Ranaan?). It didn't help Flowers at all and just made him look foolish. As someone posted earlier, you aren't going to win against the media.
Tell that to Donald Trump.
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not sending a player a ‘Welcome’ text is a show of lack of leadership?
I learn something new on BBI everyday.,.
Me too!
What if RJ McIntosh got a text? Did he check with him?
I wonder if Chavis got one? Or are only drafted players due Welcome texts?
Did Jalen Simmons get one from Gallman? What about from Eli? If not, does that mean Eli only plays favorites?
I mean c’mon! This is what I think Snacks means by he’s ‘reaching’. He’s taking a very small action (or perhaps inaction is a better word) and blowing that up as a means of saying the same issues that were prevalent during last year still exist this year. Nevermind the FACT that this is a completely new D from the coordinator... to no JPP... to a almost completely revamped LB corp... to... this defense doesn’t even know who the leaders are going to be yet... unlike on offense. Tell me... who besides Collins (who most of BBI wishes would actually talk LESS) has shown any real desire to be THAT guy on D in this new defense?
He has no control of players being brought in and bears no responsibility to lead or coach them up. That job belongs to the GM and coaches and they failed this team last year.
And I kinda like this anyway, love when the media gets called out, wish it happened more.
And I kinda like this anyway, love when the media gets called out, wish it happened more.
Exactly. Everyone says “you can’t win against the media”, which is probably true, but the problem is the media knows this and act accordingly.
“Oh, there’s no way he can win against me! I’m in the media! I can say whatever I want!”.
Eli is senior spokesman....DeOssie on special teams.....but Collins is closest person on Defense.....hopefully Olgetree can become a leader.
If a newspaper guy crosses the line and attacks someone as a person or says something about their family or personal life, then go after them all you want.
But some of these guys take things the media says way too seriously. He didn't call Snacks mother a whore, he said that the leadership wasn't great in the building last year. Not something Snacks should even respond to, it's just not worth it.
If the players didn't respond, you'd have less shit stirring as a result down the road because it wouldn't be working.
Snacks basically threatening beat guys is pathetic. If they cross the line then go beat the hell out of them, but stuff like this is ridiculous to get all crazy about
In short, players have enough crap to deal with, having fabricated stories made up about them with next to zero verifiable information has to be taxing after a while. Clearly Snacks thinks/knows Jordan has done this before, which isn’t shocking. He’s tired of it and he “tweeted” back, the horror.
Everyone get over yourselves.
You’re either an idiot or a troll. Or both
And just graduated from college
No, he doesn’t. Not even a little bit
Basically, it's what Tuck said. Nobody really has any idea what Snacks is like with these guys behind closed doors in the locker room. He's the last one on that defense that I would question about wanting to help this team and the young players on it.
Same. No different than the entire Jets locker room telling Mehta he isn’t welcome there.
And if you really want to dig into this and play psychologist, I can easily say Snacks is one that can handle this mentally and is speaking out so the rest of his team doesn’t have to.
I guess it’s a matter of perspective because I didn’t take that line from Snacks as a threat... or even a warning... but as a request. As far as getting anything from him... whether it be a quote, a line or a look... Raanan would be wise to try to get it from someone else. What would be more ‘interesting’ would be if more players follow suit... thus making it more difficult for him (Raanan) to do his job (while, ironically, turning Snacks into a ‘leader’ unintentionally)... and causes Raanan issues with his own employer. Would the Giants then force Snacks and the players to have to deal with Raanan? Or would they back one of their players? And what if Eli sided with Snacks? Then what’s the team’s reaction?
I just think Raanan’s playing a somewhat dangerous game here as HE needs the players in order to do his job... not the other way around. Mr. Raanan would be wise to consider this the next time he wants to take a shot at the ‘leadership’ in the locker room.
Vacchiano eventually grew out of that habit. He stopped being that guy some time after 2008.
Modern media is judged by how many clicks their articles and tweets bring in. Stop consuming the low-hanging fruit.
I remember last year, Carl Banks tweeting players on defense quitting and not giving their all. Snacks called him out and told him he was wrong and since he(Banks) is there maybe should call those players out in locker room. Fast forward to off-season Snacks is on Cowherd show basically saying players on DEF showed up just for a paycheck.
I just think Raanan’s playing a somewhat dangerous game here as HE needs the players in order to do his job... not the other way around. Mr. Raanan would be wise to consider this the next time he wants to take a shot at the ‘leadership’ in the locker room.
"If you want to be a true friend to them, be honest, and unmerciful" - ( New Window )
So it's legitimate to ask the defensive draftees who they heard from after they were drafted, and it's legitimate to report the answer.
Assuming nobody here objects to the question, or the answer, then the problem seems to come down to him linking that to the lack of leadership last year.
Every workplace has its own culture. At my workplace, the culture isn't really all that welcoming for new people, at least, not in the sense of "let's take the new person to lunch" or stuff like that. That could be construed as a lack of leadership, but it was really more of a style of leadership. When I started, things were pretty competitive and chilly, kind of standoffish. But the head of the company wanted us competing with each other. He was the leader, he set the tone. It wasn't a lack of leadership, it was a style of leadership. We were supposed to compete, but there was a weekly meeting where we all had to present what what we were working on and share feedback. It was competitive but inclusive and camaraderie developed despite the compeitition.
Nowadays that competitive culture is gone and there's a lot of warmth and support among people in their own units, especially once people settle in, yet this management is less inclusive. That weekly meeting now is for management only. Different culture.
If this anecdote is right, maybe the Giants offense has one culture, where the big name players take the initiative about reaching out to new guys, and the defense has a different culture, where that's not a priority.
Maybe it doesn't matter, and that makes Raanan a "shit-stirrer." But sorry, Snacks, I don't think it's that much of a reach.
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I just think Raanan’s playing a somewhat dangerous game here as HE needs the players in order to do his job... not the other way around. Mr. Raanan would be wise to consider this the next time he wants to take a shot at the ‘leadership’ in the locker room.
That would be cowardly of him. It's his job to report the facts and call it as he sees it, not kowtow to the subject of his journalism. I have no problem with what he said. He is asking a legitimate question and he isn't saying anything that isn't true. It's up to us to draw conclusions based on it or not. In my opinion, it's inconclusive, but worthy of discussion and something to pay attention to as the weeks and months leading up to the season play out. "If you want to be a true friend to them, be honest, and unmerciful" - ( New Window )
How is it a fact that a rookie not receiving a welcome call somehow relates to a lack of leadership Milt? No one is suggesting that he ‘kowtow’ to anyone... but there’s a difference between constantly inserting a negative spin on what most would consider an insignificant issue (really? not giving a rookie a welcome call means there’s still a lack of leadership on defense?) and, in your words, kowtowing. If Carter did get a call from someone what does that mean Milt? Still a lack of leadership? Should every rookie be expecting these calls or just the drafted ones? That’s a lot of guys to call Milt.
You and Ranaan want to extrapolate a lack of leadership from someone not getting a ‘Welcome to New York!’ call be my guess but I’d be curious to see if B.J. himself... ya know, the guy actually in question here... found it ‘interesting’ that he didn’t get a call? I’m not sure what’s there to look out for here. There’s going to be leaders who will emerge on this team... in some cases probably from guys who weren’t here the year before (like Ogletree for instance). Not to mention hopefully a stronger leadership presence from the HC and DC (neither of whom last year did a very good job of it).
The point being... I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if Raanan is making a bigger deal of this than B.J. is.
The point being... I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if Raanan is making a bigger deal of this than B.J. is.
Same thing with Eli and offensive players. I would assume in this day and age a Twit would be fine. I also don't know if this is the NFL culture and if other teams do it or not.
The defense did seem to lack a lot of things last year and if they really did packed it in, then guts too. But, maybe they didn't pack it in, I wasn't in the locker room--but that is how it seems.
I also think Jordan Ranana is doing this to cause trouble for clickbait and is a disgrace of a "journalist".
I also think Jordan Raanan is doing this to cause trouble for clickbait and is a disgrace of a "journalist".
It isn't Raanan's job to be a cheerleader for the Giants, that's what Michael Eisen and John Schmeelk are paid to do.
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Or, like I said, there are so many changes going on on that side of the ball there is no established ‘leader’ on that side of the ball? As has been said, the closest is probably Collins and so far his leadership style hasn’t always been the most helpful (see Eli Apple). The offense has Eli and to a lesser extent OBJ. The D lost probably the only person who had any kind of real clout on the team when they traded away JPP. Snacks, Collins, Vernon and Jackrabbit all haven’t been there for more than two seasons. Not exactly what I’d call ‘entrenched’ faces of leadership on D.
The point being... I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if Raanan is making a bigger deal of this than B.J. is.
That's fair, but this doesn't seem to be new. Strahan talked years ago about the Giants not having enough assholes, meaning guys who would get in other guys' faces if they didn't perform. I think he was onto something.
1) that was years ago... and 2) those kind of leaders need to be developed. There’s been a lot of turnover on that side of the ball which has lead to it being difficult to develop an identity (or identify a leader). Not to mention, the kind of leadership that HAS developed on that side of the ball appears to not have in included many ‘A type’ personalities. From JPP... to Snacks... to Casillas... who among the few guys who’ve been around long enough to become a leader has that type of personality? Particularly at the LB spot... and even more particularly the MLB spot? Casillas isn’t really that type it seems and Goodson can’t stay on the field. Goff? Who else? Like you said, it’s been an issue. Hopefully one that a guy like Ogletree can finally resolve.
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I also think Jordan Raanan is doing this to cause trouble for clickbait and is a disgrace of a "journalist".
Raanan is doing nothing wrong, he is doing his job. He is reporting a new fact and pairing it was another fact for which there may or may not be a relationship. He isn't drawing a conclusion, he is presenting it as a question without actually asking the question (which is perfectly fine). It's for us to decide whether or not there is a connection. Or simply to decide that it's something that's worth paying attention to. And it's certainly something worth pointing out if Raanan is also pointing out that Eli texted Webb and Lauletta while Favre and Roethlisberger seemed to show the draft pick the cold shoulder. If one is newsworthy than so is the other.
It isn't Raanan's job to be a cheerleader for the Giants, that's what Michael Eisen and John Schmeelk are paid to do.
I think that’s the point I, Snacks and those of us that disagree with Raanan tryin to make the comparison have... how does not reaching out point to a lack of leadership? I’m still not seeing it.