Second-round pick Will Hernandez appears to be set at left guard for the foreseeable future, and there are big plans for the UTEP star. The early attention shortly following the draft was focused on SMU center Evan Brown and Nebraska's Nick Gates, but perhaps we overlooked Missouri tackle Tyler Howell. The 6-foot-8, 300-pound Howell manned right tackle with the first-unit. Gates played left guard with the second unit and Brown was at center. It will be interesting to see if Gates and Brown can push the interior guys moving forward.
Howell might actually have a shot to challenge Chad Wheeler, an undrafted tackle from last season, and Ereck Flowers, whom Giants coach Pat Shurmur insisted Saturday makes his squad a better team than the one without him. |
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They have Tyler Howell listed at 328 on one and 300 on the other. I think he is actually closer to the 328 figure.
Any chance he can over takes Jones?
Any chance he can over takes Jones?
Yeah, that's another guy who they've listed at two different weights. If he's really 347, wow.
They have Tyler Howell listed at 328 on one and 300 on the other. I think he is actually closer to the 328 figure.
I'd agree on the 328 figure.
6'8' - 328
a 348 lb center?
I don't disagree about his problems with OL and LB's but the Wilson situation at RB was could have changed that perception (and I am most certainly not a Reese apologist)
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In comment 13962198 gidiefor said:the Wilson situation at RB was could have changed that perception (and I am most certainly not a Reese apologist)
Agree about Wilson. He was better than a lot of BBIers give him credit for, still very young and still improving when his career ended. There's no denying that the pick didn't work out, though.
Absolutely. You take the good, unforeseen things (Cruz, etc) with the bad (Wilson). Just saying it's tough to say how his RB picks would be judged if, IF, a first round RB actually saw the field and played at a high level for ten years.
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In comment 13962198 gidiefor said:the Wilson situation at RB was could have changed that perception (and I am most certainly not a Reese apologist)
Agree about Wilson. He was better than a lot of BBIers give him credit for, still very young and still improving when his career ended. There's no denying that the pick didn't work out, though.
I respectfully disagree with both of you. Wilson was a great athlete and kick returner but he didn’t seem to have very good instincts as a running back. Outside of the early fumblitis I remember him running full speed into the backs of his blockers or straight into the defense. Might that have changed if he had more time in the league, maybe, but I think he would have been more of a change of pace guy than anything.
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In comment 13962198 gidiefor said:the Wilson situation at RB was could have changed that perception (and I am most certainly not a Reese apologist)
Agree about Wilson. He was better than a lot of BBIers give him credit for, still very young and still improving when his career ended. There's no denying that the pick didn't work out, though.
I respectfully disagree with both of you. Wilson was a great athlete and kick returner but he didn’t seem to have very good instincts as a running back. Outside of the early fumblitis I remember him running full speed into the backs of his blockers or straight into the defense. Might that have changed if he had more time in the league, maybe, but I think he would have been more of a change of pace guy than anything.
This is one of those things that is totally impossible to know. I didn't love him (like I do Barkley) but who knows???
My bad, linebackers were right there with the offensive line. It seemed like we drafted them every year and no one panned out. No GM hits on every pick, but man were our drafts horrible the last several years when you look at them as a whole.
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In comment 13962198 gidiefor said:the Wilson situation at RB was could have changed that perception (and I am most certainly not a Reese apologist)
Agree about Wilson. He was better than a lot of BBIers give him credit for, still very young and still improving when his career ended. There's no denying that the pick didn't work out, though.
I respectfully disagree with both of you. Wilson was a great athlete and kick returner but he didn’t seem to have very good instincts as a running back. Outside of the early fumblitis I remember him running full speed into the backs of his blockers or straight into the defense. Might that have changed if he had more time in the league, maybe, but I think he would have been more of a change of pace guy than anything.
This is one of those things that is totally impossible to know. I didn't love him (like I do Barkley) but who knows???
Barkley just seems to have the instincts that many backs don’t have, in addition to his ridiculous physique. It’s really the same with every player, some QB’s are very technically proficient like Rosen for example at UCLA, but they seem to lack awareness which has led to injuries. And others like Eli seem to sense where the pressure is coming from and avoid the big hit more often than not. Barry Sanders, who in my opinion is the best running back ever, never seemed to take a big hit, he knew how to pick his battles. I have heard a lot of people say Barkley is the next Bo Jackson. Not true, Bo trucked guys and then ran by them like a track star, Barkley evades hits more like Barry.
p.s.--Not sure why some of you are excited about these guys playing with the first unit. It's not like any of the starters are there so on what unit do you expecting them to be starting? The second unit is probably made up of unsigned invites with no chance of making the 53 man squad (or guys from the first unit playing a different position on the second unit).
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In many years I have actually been excited to see the offensive lineman we are bringing in as UDFA since we have a GM who actually knows how to find them.
You weren't excited about Chad Wheeler last year?
p.s.--Not sure why some of you are excited about these guys playing with the first unit. It's not like any of the starters are there so on what unit do you expecting them to be starting? The second unit is probably made up of unsigned invites with no chance of making the 53 man squad (or guys from the first unit playing a different position on the second unit).
After seeing the offensive lineman Reese used draft picks on through the years no I was not excited to see Chad Wheeler. That being said, I hope he becomes a phenomenal player. Agreed on the first unit thing, how is there a first unit when it’s rookies and random UDFA’s?
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In comment 13962198 gidiefor said:the Wilson situation at RB was could have changed that perception (and I am most certainly not a Reese apologist)
Agree about Wilson. He was better than a lot of BBIers give him credit for, still very young and still improving when his career ended. There's no denying that the pick didn't work out, though.
I respectfully disagree with both of you. Wilson was a great athlete and kick returner but he didn’t seem to have very good instincts as a running back. Outside of the early fumblitis I remember him running full speed into the backs of his blockers or straight into the defense. Might that have changed if he had more time in the league, maybe, but I think he would have been more of a change of pace guy than anything.
This is one of those things that is totally impossible to know. I didn't love him (like I do Barkley) but who knows???
Never liked Wilson, great speed, dynamic kick returner, but not a good reciever or rusher in his 2 years. He caught 6 passes total in his career. It always bothered me that Tampa traded up to take Doug Martin the pick before. I know its been said that the Giants wanted Wilson, but Martin was much better from what I saw.
Big Guy with a Big Heart - ( New Window )
Includes multiple clips from his JC days... - ( New Window )
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In comment 13962198 gidiefor said:the Wilson situation at RB was could have changed that perception (and I am most certainly not a Reese apologist)
Agree about Wilson. He was better than a lot of BBIers give him credit for, still very young and still improving when his career ended. There's no denying that the pick didn't work out, though.
I respectfully disagree with both of you. Wilson was a great athlete and kick returner but he didn’t seem to have very good instincts as a running back. Outside of the early fumblitis I remember him running full speed into the backs of his blockers or straight into the defense. Might that have changed if he had more time in the league, maybe, but I think he would have been more of a change of pace guy than anything.
This is one of those things that is totally impossible to know. I didn't love him (like I do Barkley) but who knows???
Never liked Wilson, great speed, dynamic kick returner, but not a good reciever or rusher in his 2 years. He caught 6 passes total in his career. It always bothered me that Tampa traded up to take Doug Martin the pick before. I know its been said that the Giants wanted Wilson, but Martin was much better from what I saw.
No way we wanted Wilson more, or our front office is officially moronic. Muscle Hamster is a workhorse back we needed and coveted, TB played us like a drum and we panicked and reached for a KR/specialist who couldn't pass block in the 1st round.
Any chance he can over takes Jones?
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I know. And the Giants issued a paper roster with him at 328. Their press release had him at 300. I believe the former.
I smell propaganda
I smell propaganda
Propaganda for draft picks perhaps, but what’s the point of propaganda for UDFAs.
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But i’ll Believe all these undrafted guys being praised are worth a crap when I see it.
I smell propaganda
Propaganda for draft picks perhaps, but what’s the point of propaganda for UDFAs.
Because the team made no improvement to those positions and thus people want to get fans excited and their hopes up w these street guys.
There are often great undrafted stories, but to have more than one success story on a team is rare. The giants are acting like they are going to have about 5 success stories in one season....2-4 at position of CB/WR alone
I hate to say it, but this regime seems to treat their CB’s and WR’s like the last regime treated OL & LB.
Hopefully wrong in all this
Is Erick Flowers listening?
I smell propaganda
Propaganda for draft picks perhaps, but what’s the point of propaganda for UDFAs.
Because the team made no improvement to those positions and thus people want to get fans excited and their hopes up w these street guys.
There are often great undrafted stories, but to have more than one success story on a team is rare. The giants are acting like they are going to have about 5 success stories in one season....2-4 at position of CB/WR alone
I hate to say it, but this regime seems to treat their CB’s and WR’s like the last regime treated OL & LB.
Hopefully wrong in all this
Oh, puh-leeze.
Propaganda aside, because it isn't even close to being correct, "this regime" has had exactly one off-season to begin rebuilding the team. One. Did you expect them to solve every problem with a limited amount of cap space - knowing whom they'll have to re-sign in the near future - and a grand total of six - count 'em - six draft picks? If you did, you were sadly mistaken.
So, you've already identified a trend, you've already come to a conclusion about "this regime?" After one off-season? Well, rebuilding the offensive line was paramount. Period. End of story. That's where the bulk of the free agent cash went - to Solder, mostly, and then to Omameh - and that's where they invested their second round pick, Hernandez...after adding a force-multiplier for the offense in the first to help revitalize what had been a woefully anemic running game for way, WAY to long. That was also a stated goal of "this regime."
With the transition to the base 3-4, rebuilding the front seven in their new DC's image came next, and that meant putting an emphasis on linebackers. So, hello Alec Ogletree, Kareem Martin, and Lorenzo Carter. A trade, a free agent, and a relatively high draft pick. After that, some big men to reinforce the trenches, so, goodbye JPP and Jay Bromley - hello Josh Mauro, B.J. Hill, and R.J. McIntosh.
Are they thin in the defensive backfield? Yes, but their resources were not infinite and painful decisions had to be made. When it came to free agency and the draft, CB and Safety were given lower priorities...this year.
Are they thin at WR? Maybe, maybe not. They've got one of the best in the business with OBJ and a very capable slot receiver in Shepard. Add to that a TE like Engram, and that force-multiplier they drafted in the first round, and I doubt, seriously, that Eli will lack for targets, no matter who fills out the rest of the WR corps.
The Giants aren't "acting" like anything. They're trying to build a winning team by maximizing what resources they have, and if they're like most NFL teams, around 30% of their roster will end up consisting of UDFAs. And that will probably be true next year as well, regardless of the moves "this regime" makes in its second year.
As my Mom used to say, "St. Anthony, give me the strength."
giantsFC - to put a ribbon on what Klaatu is trying to say... just chill out and be patient. Rome wasn’t built in a day. There’s a lot of work to be put in when it comes to rebuilding this roster and they’re literally JUST beginning. It’s WAAAAY to early to draw any conclusions whatsoever about this regime and it makes little sense to do it after only a few months on the job.
As a wise man once said... R... E... L... A... X.
It’s a sound way of thinking if you ask me... but one that requires a bit of patience to carry out.
If you were honest after the season ended and all the changes began to rain down, it was obviously a two offseason job at the least.
Enjoy the ride.
Both guys seemed to have a long ways to go and some significant work to get the the NFL level. Giants realized it with Bis early on. Wheeler basically was a raw guy with potential who needed significant work.
And basically guys who looked decent on an otherwise putrid line were vastly overrated because their mates were so bad. People loved Fluker and he basically played the way he had for the rest of his career, but next to the other guys, he looked like Orlando Pace.
It's customary for people to latch on to certain picks and for some reason have inflated expectations for back of the draft guys every year, but if anyone had any actual expectations for those guys that just makes them look silly.