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My confidence in Shurmur is pretty high.

wgenesis123 : 5/13/2018 9:43 am
It is mostly unfounded at this point, perhaps at this point I had the same sort of confidence in Mac, but not the same optimism. I think it is partly due to DG. To my very untrained eye DG seems to be trying to give Betcher and Shurmur players that fit what they want to do. It certainly does not hurt that Barkley is one of those players. I know it is all a work in progress but I feel like management is working as a team. Does anyone else feel the same about these guys or think I got it all wrong?
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Your confidence is high  
QB Snacks : 5/13/2018 9:51 am : link
Bc youre a fan and we want them to be good.
As long as the OL comes together,  
George from PA : 5/13/2018 9:54 am : link
He sure will have enough toys to design a pretty impressive offense.

Happy to hear that the UDFA corners are looking good...the one area on defense that they are short (no pun intended).

I expect the QB pressure will be there...as that is a strength of Bettcher
Not so sure...Shurmur likely wanted a QB at #2  
Jimmy Googs : 5/13/2018 9:54 am : link
and had to basically beg Gettleman to draft Lauletta a few rounds later...
...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/13/2018 9:56 am : link
Considering his predecessor, he looks like Lombardi.
RE: Not so sure...Shurmur likely wanted a QB at #2  
Strip-Sack : 5/13/2018 9:57 am : link
In comment 13962296 Jimmy Googs said:
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and had to basically beg Gettleman to draft Lauletta a few rounds later...


Ha...and you know this because....
Shurmur had options - during the interview process  
jcn56 : 5/13/2018 10:02 am : link
they already knew they had the #2 pick. Question #1 had to be 'do you think we can win with Eli'. I'm sure if he was convinced he needed to draft a QB, he never would have made it through the interview process, or even taken the spot himself if he thought he couldn't.
Shurmur is undefeated as Giants coach  
averagejoe : 5/13/2018 10:04 am : link
so my confidence is high too. Wait until he starts losing games.
Shurmur  
Phil in LA : 5/13/2018 10:10 am : link
Wanted Barkley.
That is the nice thing about this time of they year.  
wgenesis123 : 5/13/2018 10:11 am : link
Whether its free agents, the draft, new coaches, or just the promise of maturity of young players, this time of the year should bring new hope to all teams. Than they start playing games.
RE: Shurmur had options - during the interview process  
Jimmy Googs : 5/13/2018 10:11 am : link
In comment 13962301 jcn56 said:
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they already knew they had the #2 pick. Question #1 had to be 'do you think we can win with Eli'. I'm sure if he was convinced he needed to draft a QB, he never would have made it through the interview process, or even taken the spot himself if he thought he couldn't.


I think Question #1 might have been a little more like..."why do you think the NY Giants can win with you Pat?"
Shurmur surely had a favorite among the QB's but they could not  
wgenesis123 : 5/13/2018 10:17 am : link
agree as a group on any one QB. They had no such problems on Barkley! Every indication is Shurmur was on board with Barkley!
He looks comfortable as a head coach  
JohnB : 5/13/2018 10:18 am : link
McAdoo never did. He was forever trying to prove how smart he was.
RE: As long as the OL comes together,  
M.S. : 5/13/2018 10:25 am : link
In comment 13962295 George from PA said:
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He sure will have enough toys to design a pretty impressive offense.

Happy to hear that the UDFA corners are looking good...the one area on defense that they are short (no pun intended).

I expect the QB pressure will be there...as that is a strength of Bettcher

This it IT!!!

It's all about the o-line, not just for the sake of a productive offense, put to eat up precious minutes that were grinding our defense down.

A decent o-line in 2018 will make a lot of problems go away.
Shurmur had to beg for the QB in the 4th round  
arniefez : 5/13/2018 10:28 am : link
Shurmur wanted Barkley. Why do people post things like that? You people have NO IDEA what went on in the Giants private meetings. Stick to posting opinions that are yours you'll look less foolish.
When McAdoo was hired to replace Coughlin  
Jay on the Island : 5/13/2018 10:29 am : link
I had this very uneasy feeling. Even after the first season I was still unsure about him. After watching him in interviews there was something that rubbed me the wrong way. With Shurmur I don't have those feelings. Shurmur brings a calm but strict approach to the organization. He is obviously a good man who will be hard on the players but fair. He will not allow any of the nonsense that occurred last year. He is very up front with everything where McAdoo was obviously not.
RE: Shurmur had to beg for the QB in the 4th round  
Jay on the Island : 5/13/2018 10:29 am : link
In comment 13962316 arniefez said:
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Shurmur wanted Barkley. Why do people post things like that? You people have NO IDEA what went on in the Giants private meetings. Stick to posting opinions that are yours you'll look less foolish.

It just fits into their ridiculous narrative.
RE: Not so sure...Shurmur likely wanted a QB at #2  
Scuzzlebutt : 5/13/2018 10:29 am : link
In comment 13962296 Jimmy Googs said:
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and had to basically beg Gettleman to draft Lauletta a few rounds later...


I think the opposite. A head coach has to be in win now mode. Shurmur has a proven veteran franchise QB on the roster that can still play. Having Eli was likely a big selling point for him as a potential Giants HC.
He has to be a 1000% better than last  
micky : 5/13/2018 10:32 am : link
and that doesn't have to take much..heck, a layman could be on the sideline head coaching to be better than...you know who
I did like that he called out Collins about talking about Flowers  
George from PA : 5/13/2018 10:42 am : link
Nip that shit asap.....

I have no idea what Shumur was thinking ,wanting during draft....but he does seems genuinely pleased with how the team is forming.
RE: Shurmur  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 5/13/2018 10:45 am : link
In comment 13962305 Phil in LA said:
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Wanted Barkley.


Shurmur beleives in Eli. He bought in to ownerships belief that we could still win a championship with Eli in the next few years.

Therefore adding the highest instant impact player in the draft goes along best in advancing that vision.

Barkley was the unanimous #1 for this team and our win now approach
Hope springs eternal  
Dave in PA : 5/13/2018 10:48 am : link
Better than being a perpetual buzzkill
The new team atmosphere is refreshing  
Jay on the Island : 5/13/2018 10:54 am : link
Gone are the miserable feeling of last season. In all my years of being a fan of this team I have never been more disappointed by this team both on and off the field as I was last year. Shurmur is exactly the type of coach this team needs. No more bullshit, it is time for the players to come together and function as a team.

If Landon Collins is really a leader of this team then he needs to stop criticizing players in the media and keep that garbage in house. No good can come from air grievances through the media.
RE: The new team atmosphere is refreshing  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 5/13/2018 10:58 am : link
In comment 13962332 Jay on the Island said:
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Gone are the miserable feeling of last season. In all my years of being a fan of this team I have never been more disappointed by this team both on and off the field as I was last year. Shurmur is exactly the type of coach this team needs. No more bullshit, it is time for the players to come together and function as a team.

If Landon Collins is really a leader of this team then he needs to stop criticizing players in the media and keep that garbage in house. No good can come from air grievances through the media.


We've obviously had bad seasons before but in the context of performance relative to talent level, it was one of the worst seasons in the history of this storied franchise.

However sometimes you have to go through the valley to stand on the mountain.

Gettleman has made just about all the critical moves to prepare us well to climb back to the top.
It is  
XBRONX : 5/13/2018 11:01 am : link
good to be pretty high.
Super confidence as a Playcaller.  
Big Blue '56 : 5/13/2018 11:11 am : link
HC? TBD
Based on Shurmur’s history with QB’s..  
Sean : 5/13/2018 11:15 am : link
I’d bet he wanted Barkley & was hoping for a system fit QB later on.
RE: RE: The new team atmosphere is refreshing  
Jay on the Island : 5/13/2018 11:18 am : link
In comment 13962334 Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx said:
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We've obviously had bad seasons before but in the context of performance relative to talent level, it was one of the worst seasons in the history of this storied franchise.

However sometimes you have to go through the valley to stand on the mountain.

Gettleman has made just about all the critical moves to prepare us well to climb back to the top.

Yes it was a combination of expectations, performance, and drama that made it the worst season as a fan. The next closest for me was 2003. In 2002 the offense erupted and I thought Collins was on his way to finally becoming a great QB. That season was awful but it did bring us Eli and Snee.
Shurmur  
Pascal4554 : 5/13/2018 11:21 am : link
already handles the media better than McAdoo ever did. He is professional and personable, but knows when to set limits. Loved the fact he called out Collins for talking about Flowers in the media. You don’t realize how much McAdoo was in over his head until you start listening to Shurmur. Gettlemen is a breath of fresh air. Whether you agree with Gettlemen’s vision or not, he is building the team the way he wants it. Hell yes...back to Giant’s football!
RE: Not so sure...Shurmur likely wanted a QB at #2  
BigBlue4You09 : 5/13/2018 11:46 am : link
In comment 13962296 Jimmy Googs said:
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and had to basically beg Gettleman to draft Lauletta a few rounds later...


100% false
RE: RE: Not so sure...Shurmur likely wanted a QB at #2  
UConn4523 : 5/13/2018 11:52 am : link
In comment 13962349 BigBlue4You09 said:
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In comment 13962296 Jimmy Googs said:


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and had to basically beg Gettleman to draft Lauletta a few rounds later...



100% false


Yeah I don’t get it either. It’s a baseless claim and even if Shurmur wanted a QB at 2 it doesn’t mean he’s disappointed they didn’t go that route.
RE: RE: RE: The new team atmosphere is refreshing  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 5/13/2018 11:59 am : link
In comment 13962344 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 13962334 Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx said:


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We've obviously had bad seasons before but in the context of performance relative to talent level, it was one of the worst seasons in the history of this storied franchise.

However sometimes you have to go through the valley to stand on the mountain.

Gettleman has made just about all the critical moves to prepare us well to climb back to the top.


Yes it was a combination of expectations, performance, and drama that made it the worst season as a fan. The next closest for me was 2003. In 2002 the offense erupted and I thought Collins was on his way to finally becoming a great QB. That season was awful but it did bring us Eli and Snee.


Yup, and in turn, our 'valley' season last year brought us Saquon and Angry Angus.
People were talking SB a year ago  
UberAlias : 5/13/2018 12:01 pm : link
In Reese We Trust, remember?

People raved about Reese after his first draft. Now the story is the only success he had was due to EA and he’s run out of town.

I hear so many remarks like “refreshing” etc. I don’t care if a coach or GM is charismatic in front of the media. Rex Ryan was charasnatic and thot got real old when he stopped winning. Lots of love right now, but if they passed on an elite QB the honeymoon won’t last long.

I understand the optimism. But results are what matter. If they’re good, they’ll earn the praise. Right now is more like cheerleading.
RE: RE: Not so sure...Shurmur likely wanted a QB at #2  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 5/13/2018 12:01 pm : link
In comment 13962349 BigBlue4You09 said:
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In comment 13962296 Jimmy Googs said:


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and had to basically beg Gettleman to draft Lauletta a few rounds later...



100% false


Yup 100% false. We heavily scouted Lauletta and had a second round grade on him.
Well, most of BBI wanted TC replaced,  
Doomster : 5/13/2018 12:02 pm : link
and Mac hired.....how did that work out?

I am treading cautiously.....one year is not going to work for me(unless he is a complete failure).....after two years, we will know what we have in DG and Shurm.....

It's hard to believe that we will be not be better....but I just don't know until I see how this team plays after the next two seasons...

Is this a playoff team that will make some noise? I don't think so, but I believe we are headed in the right direction.....another good draft, and replacement of players via free agency could finally put us in that position next season.....

I am cautiously optimistic for the up coming season.....I can't believe that Shurm will run an offense like Mac did these last two seasons....
I can't wait to see how Shurmur utilizes Barkley  
Jay on the Island : 5/13/2018 12:13 pm : link
not just running obviously. When teams use base defensive packages with Barkley lined up in the backfield Barkley could split out wide to create a mismatch versus a LB or S. Barkley is going to be a nightmare to gameplan against.
Yeah I think this whole 'there is only one way to do it' mentality  
ChaChing : 5/13/2018 12:15 pm : link
amongst many of us fans is just wrong. We didn't have to draft a QB at #2 as there's more than one way to skin a cat. I'm more interested in a coach being flexible, rolling with the punches and getting the most with what he has. I've never liked the idea "this is the system, and everyone has to run it THIS way" as if it's ever realistic to expect to have the right pieces at any one time. There's always adjustments to personnel, opponent etc. To me that's among the biggest aspects of coaching, as is player dev no doubt

From that view I like what's been said so far fwiw. Also his strengths are at minimum our weaknesses - he's great w/ QBs so the Eli situation should be in decent hands. He was part of revamping a weaker inconsistent OL, dealing w/ injuries thru the year iirc. And regardless of the QB situation (injuries, mediocrity), loss of one of their top skill player in Cook MN was a top team

Nothing is set in stone but I like how that's lined up, and what we've done in FA / draft
RE: I can't wait to see how Shurmur utilizes Barkley  
ChaChing : 5/13/2018 12:19 pm : link
In comment 13962360 Jay on the Island said:
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not just running obviously. When teams use base defensive packages with Barkley lined up in the backfield Barkley could split out wide to create a mismatch versus a LB or S. Barkley is going to be a nightmare to gameplan against.

No doubt. It's probably more accurate to look at MN's RB usage last year. Still I envision / hope for SB having a Devonta Freeman type effect in Atl for our O. Not saying he's the same player either, but just that level of versatility, athleticism and home run threat. Can't help but get excited at the potential, esp w/ this coach's past RB usage
My confidence in Shurmur  
8TimeChamps : 5/13/2018 12:25 pm : link
is 100% connected to his ability to be adaptable. That’s a quality that comes in very handy in regards to a team with little depth and seemingly constant critical injuries year after year. Adjust on the fly and adapt your strategies to your current roster as best you can. I feel like that is a strength of his.
RE: Well, most of BBI wanted TC replaced,  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 5/13/2018 12:35 pm : link
In comment 13962358 Doomster said:
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and Mac hired.....how did that work out?

I am treading cautiously.....one year is not going to work for me(unless he is a complete failure).....after two years, we will know what we have in DG and Shurm.....

It's hard to believe that we will be not be better....but I just don't know until I see how this team plays after the next two seasons...

Is this a playoff team that will make some noise? I don't think so, but I believe we are headed in the right direction.....another good draft, and replacement of players via free agency could finally put us in that position next season.....

I am cautiously optimistic for the up coming season.....I can't believe that Shurm will run an offense like Mac did these last two seasons....


I most certainly did not want MacAdoo as HC. You can want to move on from TC but have wanted someone else.

Ironically once the D was fixed if we kept TC another year it may have resulted in a much deeper playoff run
RE: RE: RE: Not so sure...Shurmur likely wanted a QB at #2  
Jimmy Googs : 5/13/2018 12:45 pm : link
In comment 13962357 Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx said:
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In comment 13962349 BigBlue4You09 said:


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In comment 13962296 Jimmy Googs said:


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and had to basically beg Gettleman to draft Lauletta a few rounds later...



100% false



Yup 100% false. We heavily scouted Lauletta and had a second round grade on him.


Hmmm, and yet he was taken in 4th round. Which is why Shurmur had to push for it.
RE: RE: RE: Not so sure...Shurmur likely wanted a QB at #2  
Jimmy Googs : 5/13/2018 12:48 pm : link
In comment 13962351 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 13962349 BigBlue4You09 said:


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In comment 13962296 Jimmy Googs said:


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and had to basically beg Gettleman to draft Lauletta a few rounds later...



100% false



Yeah I don’t get it either. It’s a baseless claim and even if Shurmur wanted a QB at 2 it doesn’t mean he’s disappointed they didn’t go that route.


Didn't say he was disappointed, only what he likely wanted.
Wanted a QB???  
Samiam : 5/13/2018 1:02 pm : link
I don’t agree unless Shurmur wanted to replace Eli right now and I doubt that’s true. Like any new coach, you want to win right away. Barkley gives the team a much better chance of winning right away than a rookie QB sitting on the bench. Shurmur wants to build a little credit; he’s not thinking 3-4 years down the road and I suspect Gettleman, at his age, is in the same position.
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arcarsenal : 5/13/2018 1:02 pm : link
PS was the guy I wanted from jump street - I think he's an excellent offensive coach and has a much better track record offensively than McAdoo had when he was hired.

But even still. I think after 2016, most of us thought Ben McAdoo was a great hire and was going to be "the guy" for a long time.

He didn't even make it through the very next season.

Think about that.

Things can change and sour quickly. Confidence is nice. But Shurmur has his work cut out for him here.
where was it reported  
Pascal4554 : 5/13/2018 1:14 pm : link
we had a second round grade? Pretty sure in Gettlemen’s post draft press conference he said we had a fourth round grade on him which is where we took him. We had a second round grade on our third round picks not our later picks. Saying whatever Shurmur did or not do or want is speculation unless you have inside information.
RE: People were talking SB a year ago  
ColHowPepper : 5/13/2018 1:28 pm : link
In comment 13962356 UberAlias said:
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In Reese We Trust, remember?

People raved about Reese after his first draft. Now the story is the only success he had was due to EA and he’s run out of town.

I hear so many remarks like “refreshing” etc. I don’t care if a coach or GM is charismatic in front of the media. Rex Ryan was charasnatic and thot got real old when he stopped winning. Lots of love right now, but if they passed on an elite QB the honeymoon won’t last long.

I understand the optimism. But results are what matter. If they’re good, they’ll earn the praise. Right now is more like cheerleading.
Good post, UA. What is odd about these observations, which I believe are largely accurate, is that even AS it is becoming clear that the narrative is a false one (In Reese We Trust or that "this team is a SB contender"), reality doesn't seem to creep in until well after the belief and dreams are crashing and burning, as if a switch is pulled. Progression toward the 2017 debacle was gradual over the past five years, with 2016 being the anomaly, the result, we all hungered for.
Talk  
Dragon : 5/13/2018 2:19 pm : link
Is cheap when the team is looking at being 0-5, let’s see all these brash new management people provide the same I believe answers. No matter how it’s said teams are all about wins, losses get people fired. No matter who liked or did not like Ben wins keep him here losses got him a one way ticket with JR as excess baggage.
No big suit. No slicked hair.  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 5/13/2018 2:34 pm : link
So far so good.
Shurmur is ecstatic about working with Eli  
GeorgeAdams33 : 5/13/2018 2:56 pm : link
Shurmur is likely hoping that Eli can play several more years at his current level. Gettleman likely feels the same way. They want to win now. They are all about team chemistry and it shows in all of their moves. They have a very healthy QB room with this group. Eli deserves the same respect from fans and media, but at least we have management that believes in him.

I've been learning more and more to trust DG & PS because they make good sense time and time again. They are smart men who handle their business the right way.
I really grew to despise Reese & McAdoo as they continually threw good men under the bus in attempts to save themselves and further their charades. All is right in Giantland once again. It's almost surreal. Go Big Blue!
I'll reserve judgement...  
Klaatu : 5/13/2018 3:43 pm : link
Until I see what kind of a product he puts on the field. Of course I'm optimistic - I always am this time of year. But confident? Hardly.
My confidence is high, though I'm not.  
TC : 5/13/2018 3:54 pm : link
Mainly because after McAdoodoo the only direction left to go is up!
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