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Ereck Flowers is back

Anakim : 5/14/2018 11:06 am
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Former first-round pick Ereck Flowers, who has missed the Giants’ off-season program, returned to work and the teams’ training facility today, per source.

A trade is still an option, but for now, the Giants intend to play him at right tackle.
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yay.  
Britt in VA : 5/14/2018 11:08 am : link
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Championship!!!!!!  
GiantBlue : 5/14/2018 11:12 am : link
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Ehhhh  
Beer Man : 5/14/2018 11:14 am : link
Honestly,  
jvm52106 : 5/14/2018 11:17 am : link
we kind of need him to work out (for the season,not actual physical workouts) as it would lighten the need for both a starting and backup tackle. This is a one year deal for him. If he can be just average then we have more time for Wheeler to develop and to focus on RG. Needing both RG and RT would be troublesome.
And he promptly shoved Landon Collins into his locker  
Brown Recluse : 5/14/2018 11:18 am : link
and locked it.
RE: And he promptly shoved Landon Collins into his locker  
Diver_Down : 5/14/2018 11:21 am : link
In comment 13963024 Brown Recluse said:
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and locked it.


Apparently Flowers has made Giant strides in his ability. It would be the first time in his 4 years that he locked down an NFL player.
There  
AcidTest : 5/14/2018 11:34 am : link
probably hoping he shows something in camp so they can trade him for the mid round pick they were apparently seeking during the draft. That seems unlikely. A low round pick is likely the most they can get, and even that isn't a given.
RE: There  
Beer Man : 5/14/2018 11:40 am : link
In comment 13963075 AcidTest said:
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probably hoping he shows something in camp so they can trade him for the mid round pick they were apparently seeking during the draft. That seems unlikely. A low round pick is likely the most they can get, and even that isn't a given.
Or it could be that now that he has a manager/agent coaching him and giving him good advise, he now understands that he is negotiating from a position of weakness and it will hurt him now and in the long run if he stays way
RE: They're  
section125 : 5/14/2018 11:41 am : link
In comment 13963075 AcidTest said:
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probably hoping he shows something in camp so they can trade him for the mid round pick they were apparently seeking during the draft. That seems unlikely. A low round pick is likely the most they can get, and even that isn't a given.


No they are probably hoping he shows something in camp so that he starts at RT...
Do Something Now!!!  
Jim in Tampa : 5/14/2018 11:53 am : link
Cut him or trade him but do it now!!

No need to actually see how he performs at RT in camp and in preseason, the Giants need to take action now!

-BBI
the most likely answer  
ron mexico : 5/14/2018 11:56 am : link
is that this mini camp is mandatory where the last one was not

I might be in the minority  
BillyM : 5/14/2018 11:58 am : link
But I actually think we need Flowers. For depth, for competition in camp, for a starting role at RT? I'm all for the hard line approach, but you really need to pick our battles.

He might not be the long term solution, but if Solder went down, who are our starting LT and RT?

People acting here like we have a bevy of talent at both spots. We don't. Bring him in, see how he responds to the new coaches and new position, and take it from there
RE: RE: They're  
rich in DC : 5/14/2018 12:00 pm : link
In comment 13963090 section125 said:
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In comment 13963075 AcidTest said:


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probably hoping he shows something in camp so they can trade him for the mid round pick they were apparently seeking during the draft. That seems unlikely. A low round pick is likely the most they can get, and even that isn't a given.



No they are probably hoping he shows something in camp so that he starts at RT...


I know that people have been disappointed in Flowers to date- and for VERY good reasons. To date, he has been a 1st round bust. Hard to take when he was a high pick.

With that said, while we have not really seems the Shurmer/ Shula offense yet, just reading between the lines in the FA they picked up and Hernandez, it LOOKS LIKE they are shifting to an OL philosophy that might benefit Flowers as a RT.

Just looking at the respective strengths and weaknesses of the current group of OL, it looks like the Giants MIGHT be employing a "run the ball to pass it" offensive plan. Not a "ground and pound" offense like Dallas runs, but more of a game plan that is designed to control the ball, use the run to create situations where defenses end up on their heels as opposed to attacking.

Flowers' weakness has been footwork and hand usage. He simply does not have the "dancing bear" feet to handle LT, which is compounded by his poor hand usage. However, if he is part of an OL which focuses on blocks that "move forward" as opposed to "creating a safe pocket"- he MIGHT be more effective. His size alone makes it hard for the smaller ends to attack if he is not forced to cede yardage on every play. This means if he is not drop-stepping and setting up allowing the defender to put moves on him, and is instead the one making the move, that defender will have to "get around" him using hands and being off-balance as opposed to blowing by him at full speed.

Having a RB who is comfortable catching the ball as running it also gives DE/LB pause as they must account for Barkley on every play. Flowers is simply a better OL when he does not have to be technically perfect on each snap. When he has an extra second or two, he can hold his ground even if his feet are not perfectly set or he fails to get both hands on the defender.

I'm NOT saying that Flowers turns into a great or even good RT. However, I think that people might be overlooking how Shurmer appears to be bringing a offensive philosophy that might better fit Flowers' strengths while partially negating his weaknesses.

It might be a one-year band-aid after which Flowers would be let go into FA and find the next RT, but one factor that is often overlooked in the NFL is that good offensive minds understand that the offense won't succeed if the OL is on its heels in pass-protect every play. They need to be moving forward and make teams react to their actions as opposed to the other way around.

Until we see the plan on the field, this is all a guess- but I think that when we see a group of OL who all generally are better moving forward than pass-protecting, you are likely to see an attacking method of OL play, based on the run game- not ground and pound, but getting enough positive yardage on early downs to allow the offense to decide whether to pass or run on later downs and keep the defense guessing.
We do need him.  
Giant John : 5/14/2018 12:04 pm : link
Suggestions otherwise make no sense. Now go bust your ass Flowers and earn your next contract!
At least  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 5/14/2018 12:07 pm : link
He didn't whiff minicamp.
.................  
Mr. Bungle : 5/14/2018 12:08 pm : link
I defended this guy for two years.  
Klaatu : 5/14/2018 12:09 pm : link
I'm through defending him, although as long as he's wearing the uniform I'll root for him. Maybe he gets his shit together and becomes a serviceable RT - maybe he doesn't. One thing's for sure, he's not getting anything handed to him this year.
It would be fun and amusing  
idiotsavant : 5/14/2018 12:11 pm : link
If he came out and just dominated at right tackle.

Who knows what he did all off season?
Ideally  
Jay on the Island : 5/14/2018 12:17 pm : link
Flowers will display an improved attitude and work hard to compete for the RT job against Wheeler. Even if Wheeler wins it would be great to have Flowers as the swing tackle for 1 year. From his arrival I believe that Drew Rosenhaus was able to talk sense into him. Despite moving to RT Flowers could still see a massive payday if he plays well at RT and he could theoretically convince a team that needs a LT that he can move back over there.

Another possibility is that the Giants trade Flowers to another team that has a disappointing former early draft pick OL. Perhaps to Cincinnati for either Jake Fisher or Cedric Ogbuehi.
flowers will continue to be exposed  
ArcadeSlumlord : 5/14/2018 12:17 pm : link
by faster more agile athletes on the edge, its why he is destined to be an interior lineman but the giants are DELUSIONAL.
I think this is DR influence  
Dave on the UWS : 5/14/2018 12:19 pm : link
Part of Flower's issues was not being a proper professional. Now that he has an agent who has a clue, its not surprising that he showed up ready to work. If he wants a good second contract, he has to do his job, get along with people, etc. These coaches will put him in the best position to succeed. Its in his best interest to be here. Apparently Rosenhouse (sp) has made a few points to him. If he plays well at RT, they actually have a pretty decent OL.
Flowers is the toll collector  
ghost718 : 5/14/2018 12:20 pm : link
but the Dallas Cowboy has EZPass
I'm not greeting this as good news...  
M.S. : 5/14/2018 12:21 pm : link

...for our first round draft bust.

I think he'll make a good backup somewhere.

But not here.
I remain skeptical that in this day and age of the NFL, some player  
PatersonPlank : 5/14/2018 12:21 pm : link
can not make it at LT but make it at RT. This isn't 30 years ago. Today teams have DE's on each side that can rush the passer, look at Vernon and JPP last year. The same issues he had at LT will show up again. I can see a LT/RT moving to G and making it though.
RE: flowers will continue to be exposed  
BigBlue4You09 : 5/14/2018 12:22 pm : link
In comment 13963166 ArcadeSlumlord said:
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by faster more agile athletes on the edge, its why he is destined to be an interior lineman but the giants are DELUSIONAL.


You're WRONG or TROLLING. Is that why the new regime already replaced him at LT and said all other positions are up for grabs?
He’ll of course finally have the ‘light go on’  
Big Blue '56 : 5/14/2018 12:23 pm : link
this season, become one of the better ORTs in the league and at 25 will leave for FA
Flowers reminds me of Private Pyle  
Coach Red Beaulieu : 5/14/2018 12:25 pm : link
From Full Metal Jacket.

I think Collins has some socks and soap bars ready.
Seems clear to me BeerMan and Section125 et al.  
ColHowPepper : 5/14/2018 12:26 pm : link
have the better take on this. During the draft--and more importantly during a period when it seems Flowers was not being terribly responsive or constructive in his interactions with the new FO/coaching staff--trying to trade him for some value made sense. He has never been a very voluble or communicative type, maybe hard to read, and even harder to reach once the Solder signing was a done deal.

It makes sense for DG and PS to keep an open mind on Flowers esp. now that an agent the Giants have worked with successfully in the past can serve as an intermediary. Flowers and his dad read the signals they way they felt was best, but that dynamic could well have been very insular. Last year was a shit year for many, and it's understandable that a young man could bear it hard, perceiving he's being "told" that he was "responsible" for a lot of it via the Solder signing. It takes some maturity to wrap your head around what it means that the NFL is a business.
The only person who ever bought an Ereck Flowers jersey...  
Jimmy Googs : 5/14/2018 12:26 pm : link

RE: He’ll of course finally have the ‘light go on’  
Jay on the Island : 5/14/2018 12:29 pm : link
In comment 13963176 Big Blue '56 said:
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this season, become one of the better ORTs in the league and at 25 will leave for FA

Well at least they will receive a 3rd round compensatory pick if he does leave. I am hoping that Wheeler beats him out and solidifies himself as the future at RT for the Giants.
Go to nfl.com and read his draft report  
HomerJones45 : 5/14/2018 12:30 pm : link
he has the same weaknesses now as he did then. Moving him to RT is a Hail Mary to get something out of him before they have to let the #9 pick in the entire draft go for nothing.
He can only improve ...  
ij_reilly : 5/14/2018 12:31 pm : link
Perhaps no Flowers thread is complete without the triple whiff clip.

Flowers Triple Whiff Classic - ( New Window )
Eric Flowers  
joeinpa : 5/14/2018 12:31 pm : link
Was drafted too high and for a posiyonly the Giants felt he could play

He was set up to fail. Plus he wasn t the only problem on that line, maybe not even the biggest.

Last year s team was flawed from coaching,personnel and chemistry stand point;

Yet Flowers is the villain on this site.

Let s allow Gettleman and Shurmur decide if he belongs or not.
RE: RE: They're  
DonnieD89 : 5/14/2018 12:32 pm : link
In comment 13963090 section125 said:
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In comment 13963075 AcidTest said:


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probably hoping he shows something in camp so they can trade him for the mid round pick they were apparently seeking during the draft. That seems unlikely. A low round pick is likely the most they can get, and even that isn't a given.



No they are probably hoping he shows something in camp so that he starts at RT...


Absolutely. That's the best outcome that this team can have, given the uncertainty of the RT position. I hope he pans out, so there will be one less position to worry about. It creates further competition also.
RE: He’ll of course finally have the ‘light go on’  
AnishPatel : 5/14/2018 12:37 pm : link
In comment 13963176 Big Blue '56 said:
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this season, become one of the better ORTs in the league and at 25 will leave for FA


Haha I thought the same thing and then he'll get paid too!
RE: He can only improve ...  
Eman11 : 5/14/2018 12:38 pm : link
In comment 13963187 ij_reilly said:
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Perhaps no Flowers thread is complete without the triple whiff clip. Flowers Triple Whiff Classic - ( New Window )


He couldn't have done worse if he was blindfolded. Hell, if he just fell down he probably would've done better.
Best thing he's done ...  
Manny in CA : 5/14/2018 12:39 pm : link

Is to get Rosenhus as his agent. If he plays hard and keeps his nose clean, he can go anywhere he wants (if he's not happy here) and get big money.

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Big Blue '56 : 5/14/2018 12:39 pm : link
In comment 13963197 AnishPatel said:
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In comment 13963176 Big Blue '56 said:


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this season, become one of the better ORTs in the league and at 25 will leave for FA



Haha I thought the same thing and then he'll get paid too!


:)
How much was saved by NOT picking up  
Big Blue '56 : 5/14/2018 12:39 pm : link
his 5th year option?
RE: RE: flowers will continue to be exposed  
ArcadeSlumlord : 5/14/2018 12:41 pm : link
In comment 13963175 BigBlue4You09 said:
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In comment 13963166 ArcadeSlumlord said:


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by faster more agile athletes on the edge, its why he is destined to be an interior lineman but the giants are DELUSIONAL.



You're WRONG or TROLLING. Is that why the new regime already replaced him at LT and said all other positions are up for grabs?


Motherfucker, have you played football? I played at a D1 NCAA level for 2 seasons, started at RT and had to be moved to Guard for specifically the very same issues that Flowers struggles with. IDM if he plays left or right, he cant FUCKING SLIDE! HIS FEET ARE SLOW. He cant play tackle in the NFL, period. I feel like you might work for Rosenhaus PR or something. You are clueless. Watch 5 minutes of film on Flowers, it spells it out on its own. He would be GREAT inside, IMHO!
RE: How much was saved by NOT picking up  
Jay on the Island : 5/14/2018 12:43 pm : link
In comment 13963203 Big Blue '56 said:
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his 5th year option?

For Flowers it would be $12,525,000.
RE: He’ll of course finally have the ‘light go on’  
Mr. Bungle : 5/14/2018 12:45 pm : link
In comment 13963176 Big Blue '56 said:
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this season, become one of the better ORTs in the league and at 25 will leave for FA

I don't think this is likely. Far more likely to me that his career follows that of the Marvin Austins and Damontre Moores of the later Reese years...
2 seasons at D1 football huh?  
UConn4523 : 5/14/2018 12:46 pm : link
gotta ask for who, sounds real....
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Big Blue '56 : 5/14/2018 12:48 pm : link
In comment 13963208 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 13963203 Big Blue '56 said:


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his 5th year option?


For Flowers it would be $12,525,000.


Wow! Thanks Jay
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Jay on the Island : 5/14/2018 12:55 pm : link
In comment 13963219 Big Blue '56 said:
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In comment 13963208 Jay on the Island said:


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In comment 13963203 Big Blue '56 said:


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his 5th year option?


For Flowers it would be $12,525,000.



Wow! Thanks Jay

It's guaranteed for injury only.
Flowers will be a free agent after this season. By now his new agent  
wgenesis123 : 5/14/2018 1:03 pm : link
has explained to him that if there is no demand for his services there will be no paychecks! He has to realize he needs a good year. Than he will get a big payday (as we witnessed with Pugh) and his real value to the Giants will emerge as a comp pick! One decent year at RT and a comp pick is likely best case scenario for the Giants.
Not wasting $12million is not exactly saving $12mill  
Jimmy Googs : 5/14/2018 1:06 pm : link
you guys sound like my wife...
RE: Flowers will be a free agent after this season. By now his new agent  
Klaatu : 5/14/2018 1:07 pm : link
In comment 13963244 wgenesis123 said:
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has explained to him that if there is no demand for his services there will be no paychecks! He has to realize he needs a good year. Than he will get a big payday (as we witnessed with Pugh) and his real value to the Giants will emerge as a comp pick! One decent year at RT and a comp pick is likely best case scenario for the Giants.


Sad, but probably true.
Woooooo  
old man : 5/14/2018 1:07 pm : link
Who? jk.
This s/b interesting.
Uconn..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/14/2018 1:10 pm : link
he only claims to have played at a D1 "level":

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I played at a D1 NCAA level for 2 seasons, started at RT and had to be moved to Guard for specifically the very same issues that Flowers struggles with


I'm assuming that he tore it up at the Turkey Bowl with friends two years in a row.

Pretty embarrassing to get moved to guard so Uncle Leo can get some run, but hey - you never know.
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