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Former first-round pick Ereck Flowers, who has missed the Giants’ off-season program, returned to work and the teams’ training facility today, per source.
A trade is still an option, but for now, the Giants intend to play him at right tackle.
Apparently Flowers has made Giant strides in his ability. It would be the first time in his 4 years that he locked down an NFL player.
No they are probably hoping he shows something in camp so that he starts at RT...
No need to actually see how he performs at RT in camp and in preseason, the Giants need to take action now!
-BBI
He might not be the long term solution, but if Solder went down, who are our starting LT and RT?
People acting here like we have a bevy of talent at both spots. We don't. Bring him in, see how he responds to the new coaches and new position, and take it from there
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probably hoping he shows something in camp so they can trade him for the mid round pick they were apparently seeking during the draft. That seems unlikely. A low round pick is likely the most they can get, and even that isn't a given.
No they are probably hoping he shows something in camp so that he starts at RT...
I know that people have been disappointed in Flowers to date- and for VERY good reasons. To date, he has been a 1st round bust. Hard to take when he was a high pick.
With that said, while we have not really seems the Shurmer/ Shula offense yet, just reading between the lines in the FA they picked up and Hernandez, it LOOKS LIKE they are shifting to an OL philosophy that might benefit Flowers as a RT.
Just looking at the respective strengths and weaknesses of the current group of OL, it looks like the Giants MIGHT be employing a "run the ball to pass it" offensive plan. Not a "ground and pound" offense like Dallas runs, but more of a game plan that is designed to control the ball, use the run to create situations where defenses end up on their heels as opposed to attacking.
Flowers' weakness has been footwork and hand usage. He simply does not have the "dancing bear" feet to handle LT, which is compounded by his poor hand usage. However, if he is part of an OL which focuses on blocks that "move forward" as opposed to "creating a safe pocket"- he MIGHT be more effective. His size alone makes it hard for the smaller ends to attack if he is not forced to cede yardage on every play. This means if he is not drop-stepping and setting up allowing the defender to put moves on him, and is instead the one making the move, that defender will have to "get around" him using hands and being off-balance as opposed to blowing by him at full speed.
Having a RB who is comfortable catching the ball as running it also gives DE/LB pause as they must account for Barkley on every play. Flowers is simply a better OL when he does not have to be technically perfect on each snap. When he has an extra second or two, he can hold his ground even if his feet are not perfectly set or he fails to get both hands on the defender.
I'm NOT saying that Flowers turns into a great or even good RT. However, I think that people might be overlooking how Shurmer appears to be bringing a offensive philosophy that might better fit Flowers' strengths while partially negating his weaknesses.
It might be a one-year band-aid after which Flowers would be let go into FA and find the next RT, but one factor that is often overlooked in the NFL is that good offensive minds understand that the offense won't succeed if the OL is on its heels in pass-protect every play. They need to be moving forward and make teams react to their actions as opposed to the other way around.
Until we see the plan on the field, this is all a guess- but I think that when we see a group of OL who all generally are better moving forward than pass-protecting, you are likely to see an attacking method of OL play, based on the run game- not ground and pound, but getting enough positive yardage on early downs to allow the offense to decide whether to pass or run on later downs and keep the defense guessing.
Who knows what he did all off season?
Another possibility is that the Giants trade Flowers to another team that has a disappointing former early draft pick OL. Perhaps to Cincinnati for either Jake Fisher or Cedric Ogbuehi.
...for our first round draft bust.
I think he'll make a good backup somewhere.
But not here.
You're WRONG or TROLLING. Is that why the new regime already replaced him at LT and said all other positions are up for grabs?
I think Collins has some socks and soap bars ready.
It makes sense for DG and PS to keep an open mind on Flowers esp. now that an agent the Giants have worked with successfully in the past can serve as an intermediary. Flowers and his dad read the signals they way they felt was best, but that dynamic could well have been very insular. Last year was a shit year for many, and it's understandable that a young man could bear it hard, perceiving he's being "told" that he was "responsible" for a lot of it via the Solder signing. It takes some maturity to wrap your head around what it means that the NFL is a business.
Well at least they will receive a 3rd round compensatory pick if he does leave. I am hoping that Wheeler beats him out and solidifies himself as the future at RT for the Giants.
Flowers Triple Whiff Classic - ( New Window )
He was set up to fail. Plus he wasn t the only problem on that line, maybe not even the biggest.
Last year s team was flawed from coaching,personnel and chemistry stand point;
Yet Flowers is the villain on this site.
Let s allow Gettleman and Shurmur decide if he belongs or not.
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probably hoping he shows something in camp so they can trade him for the mid round pick they were apparently seeking during the draft. That seems unlikely. A low round pick is likely the most they can get, and even that isn't a given.
No they are probably hoping he shows something in camp so that he starts at RT...
Absolutely. That's the best outcome that this team can have, given the uncertainty of the RT position. I hope he pans out, so there will be one less position to worry about. It creates further competition also.
Haha I thought the same thing and then he'll get paid too!
He couldn't have done worse if he was blindfolded. Hell, if he just fell down he probably would've done better.
Is to get Rosenhus as his agent. If he plays hard and keeps his nose clean, he can go anywhere he wants (if he's not happy here) and get big money.
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this season, become one of the better ORTs in the league and at 25 will leave for FA
Haha I thought the same thing and then he'll get paid too!
:)
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by faster more agile athletes on the edge, its why he is destined to be an interior lineman but the giants are DELUSIONAL.
You're WRONG or TROLLING. Is that why the new regime already replaced him at LT and said all other positions are up for grabs?
Motherfucker, have you played football? I played at a D1 NCAA level for 2 seasons, started at RT and had to be moved to Guard for specifically the very same issues that Flowers struggles with. IDM if he plays left or right, he cant FUCKING SLIDE! HIS FEET ARE SLOW. He cant play tackle in the NFL, period. I feel like you might work for Rosenhaus PR or something. You are clueless. Watch 5 minutes of film on Flowers, it spells it out on its own. He would be GREAT inside, IMHO!
For Flowers it would be $12,525,000.
I don't think this is likely. Far more likely to me that his career follows that of the Marvin Austins and Damontre Moores of the later Reese years...
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his 5th year option?
For Flowers it would be $12,525,000.
Wow! Thanks Jay
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In comment 13963203 Big Blue '56 said:
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his 5th year option?
For Flowers it would be $12,525,000.
Wow! Thanks Jay
It's guaranteed for injury only.
Sad, but probably true.
This s/b interesting.
I'm assuming that he tore it up at the Turkey Bowl with friends two years in a row.
Pretty embarrassing to get moved to guard so Uncle Leo can get some run, but hey - you never know.