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DanMetroMan : 5/15/2018 7:46 am
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Knicks GM Scott Perry reiterates to @alanhahn that the club is looking to draft the best player available, regardless of position. “We’ve got to get the highest level of talent that we can get on our roster and we’ll figure out all of the positions once they get in there.”

(Bamba reportedly has early helium as high as 4, but he's my hope at 9 given the realistic names being thrown around... Bridges, Sexton etc)
This is how the draft should be  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2018 8:02 am : link
You draft the highest rated guy on your board and worry about fit later...
RE: This is how the draft should be  
DanMetroMan : 5/15/2018 8:04 am : link
In comment 13963954 nygiants16 said:
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You draft the highest rated guy on your board and worry about fit later...


Agreed. And not taking a swipe at anyone on BBI but I've seen WAY too much focus on taking a 3 because we could use one. Take the best player... ESPECIALLY when KP (from the coaches own mouth) will float around 3-4-5 and Frank is a 1/2.
Good..  
Sean : 5/15/2018 8:15 am : link
this team needs all the talent it can get.
Yeah the NBA is simple.  
Keith : 5/15/2018 8:18 am : link
Always go BPA, especially w the trend of positionless basketball. Factor in that the Knicks really only have one bonafide great player and there is no other choice. BPA.
Completely agree  
GMEN46 : 5/15/2018 8:30 am : link
Best player available in nba is a no brainer. If Colin Sexton is the guy you have rated highest at the time of the pick and he is there then you take him without any hesitation.
RE: Yeah the NBA is simple.  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2018 8:45 am : link
In comment 13963972 Keith said:
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Always go BPA, especially w the trend of positionless basketball. Factor in that the Knicks really only have one bonafide great player and there is no other choice. BPA.


Even if you get 3 and you view bagley is the 3rd best player, you can make it work playing both him and kp
Man did Avery love Sexton in yesterday’s  
Carl in CT : 5/15/2018 9:32 am : link
NY Post. I really didn’t consider another PG but the KJ and RW comparisons make you want to think about him.
Today is the Knicks fan's Super Bowl!  
Heisenberg : 5/15/2018 9:52 am : link
Lottery Day!
I really want bamba  
djm : 5/15/2018 9:55 am : link
...
RE: RE: This is how the draft should be  
giantsfan44ab : 5/15/2018 9:56 am : link
In comment 13963958 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 13963954 nygiants16 said:


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You draft the highest rated guy on your board and worry about fit later...



Agreed. And not taking a swipe at anyone on BBI but I've seen WAY too much focus on taking a 3 because we could use one. Take the best player... ESPECIALLY when KP (from the coaches own mouth) will float around 3-4-5 and Frank is a 1/2.


I'm always an advocate for BPA, I just think based on how mocks are shaking out a 3 will be BPA. If it's Sexton, it's Sexton. I just think there's something to be said for bigs that can't survive in small ball. And KP will be the 5 in small ball lineups. That's my hesitation against getting a 5, I think they need to be an absolute star to return value on the pick.

I mean look at Jokic, arguably a top 3 or 4 center in the league but the questions still remain if you can build a contender defensively with him playing 40 minutes a game. Same sort of question for KAT too tbh. Or look at Whiteside, who is a rim protector but gets killed in transition and can be a liability on stretches on offense when he isn't grabbing ever board in sight.

As for that pertaining to this draft:

Ayton- I think Ayton has that superstar level that covers his warts. Athletically he can keep up with 4s even if he can;t be a reliable rim protector. And offensively he has both range and can attack the basket, so I'm fine with Ayton.

JJJ- He fits the prototypical mold of a modern 5. Stretches the floor, blocks shots, can get up and down the floor in transition, can switch. He is my top big in this draft.

Bamba- Can also stretch the floor potentially, get down in transition, rim protect and switch. I'd be fine with him, I just think JJJ's shot is more reliable and is a much better athlete (both explosiveness and strength) which gives him a much higher ceiling. But fine with Bamba.

Bagley- No doubt a fun player to watch and would be hard to root against him, but I think there are questions on both sides of the ball. Despite accomplishing more I think he has a lot to overcome to prove he can be a 35 mpg player. He was atrocious defensively, isn't a rim protector and his offensive game is predominated on jumping over unathletic or skinny college players for shots. He has a budding jump shot but not yet reliable. Can't protect the rim. Hard seeing him bust completely, but a lot of his game reminds me of Brandan Wright. I don't think he'll be that bad but I can also easily see him being a role player that gets booted once teams go small. Wouldn't hate the pick but lots of issues worry me.

Carter- I like Carter more than Bagley, but can also see him being relegated to a ~25 mpg role. He is 260 pounds right now, he won't be in the NBA. Gives me some hope that there's some hidden athleticism there since he moves really well for how big he is already. But he has a more fundamental offensive game than Bagley (better post moves, better passer, better shot) and can give you a little rim protection offensively.
RE: Today is the Knicks fan's Super Bowl!  
djm : 5/15/2018 9:57 am : link
In comment 13964081 Heisenberg said:
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Lottery Day!


So we’re the buffalo bills of nba lottery hopefuls....
*rim protection  
giantsfan44ab : 5/15/2018 9:57 am : link
defensively
Sounds  
Jon in NYC : 5/15/2018 10:14 am : link
like Mike Woodson is inbound. Just announced that he wont return to the clips.
Good Knicks  
Jon in NYC : 5/15/2018 10:15 am : link
trivia question: Is there anyone still on the Knicks that Mike Woodson coached? Almost certainly not I would think? Maybe Tim Hardaway in his first stint?
RE: Good Knicks  
Jon in NYC : 5/15/2018 10:16 am : link
In comment 13964128 Jon in NYC said:
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trivia question: Is there anyone still on the Knicks that Mike Woodson coached? Almost certainly not I would think? Maybe Tim Hardaway in his first stint?


Yeah answered my own question. He was a rookie that year.
RE: Good Knicks  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2018 10:17 am : link
In comment 13964128 Jon in NYC said:
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trivia question: Is there anyone still on the Knicks that Mike Woodson coached? Almost certainly not I would think? Maybe Tim Hardaway in his first stint?


Hardaway I think is the only one
My only hesitation on woodson  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2018 10:21 am : link
Is I dont like adding assistants that were up for the head coaching job because you worry about alterior motives...

But on the other hand Woodson is a veteran coach and knows fizdale si maybe it will work
Woodson  
Jon in NYC : 5/15/2018 10:24 am : link
wasn't up for any HC jobs. He "interviewed with us" but I dont think anyone took that seriously.
RE: RE: Today is the Knicks fan's Super Bowl!  
Heisenberg : 5/15/2018 10:31 am : link
In comment 13964093 djm said:
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Lottery Day!



So we’re the buffalo bills of nba lottery hopefuls....


Yup! But this is our year!
RE: Woodson  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2018 10:32 am : link
In comment 13964145 Jon in NYC said:
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wasn't up for any HC jobs. He "interviewed with us" but I dont think anyone took that seriously.


Jon probably right
Would be a lot of fun to  
Metnut : 5/15/2018 10:32 am : link
see the Knicks move up in the lottery but knowing how these things go, we'll likely see the Sixers and Bulls get the top two picks.
RE: Would be a lot of fun to  
giantsfan44ab : 5/15/2018 10:34 am : link
In comment 13964157 Metnut said:
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see the Knicks move up in the lottery but knowing how these things go, we'll likely see the Sixers and Bulls get the top two picks.


We'll see the Lakers pick end up at 2 and the Celtics taking Ayton or Doncic.
RE: Good Knicks  
Enzo : 5/15/2018 10:35 am : link
In comment 13964128 Jon in NYC said:
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trivia question: Is there anyone still on the Knicks that Mike Woodson coached? Almost certainly not I would think? Maybe Tim Hardaway in his first stint?

there's maybe 5-6 guys left in the league from that team.
it's still crazy to me  
Enzo : 5/15/2018 10:38 am : link
that our best player went out for the year just over halfway into the season and we barely improved our lottery position.
RE: Would be a lot of fun to  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2018 10:40 am : link
In comment 13964157 Metnut said:
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see the Knicks move up in the lottery but knowing how these things go, we'll likely see the Sixers and Bulls get the top two picks.


Cavs are getting it because league thinks lebron is leaving

RE: RE: Good Knicks  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2018 10:41 am : link
In comment 13964160 Enzo said:
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trivia question: Is there anyone still on the Knicks that Mike Woodson coached? Almost certainly not I would think? Maybe Tim Hardaway in his first stint?


there's maybe 5-6 guys left in the league from that team.


Felton, melo, Chandler, jr, tim, shump...anyone else?
I don't like Woodson's ISO crap  
Phil in LA : 5/15/2018 10:41 am : link
and all the switching on D. But if he can be a bit of a mentor type outside the x's and o's, he might not be a total disaster.
RE: I don't like Woodson's ISO crap  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2018 10:49 am : link
In comment 13964167 Phil in LA said:
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and all the switching on D. But if he can be a bit of a mentor type outside the x's and o's, he might not be a total disaster.


It won't be woodson's offense...

Everyone switches in the nba now, with teams going smaller and smaller everyone switches
RE: I don't like Woodson's ISO crap  
Enzo : 5/15/2018 11:03 am : link
In comment 13964167 Phil in LA said:
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and all the switching on D. But if he can be a bit of a mentor type outside the x's and o's, he might not be a total disaster.

They had the 3rd best offense in the league playing Woodson's system (finished 11th his only other full season) and most teams switch these days. Other than that, good post!
RE: I don't like Woodson's ISO crap  
rich in DC : 5/15/2018 11:08 am : link
In comment 13964167 Phil in LA said:
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and all the switching on D. But if he can be a bit of a mentor type outside the x's and o's, he might not be a total disaster.


If having Woodson become the defensive coach means that Rambis is gone, then it is addition by subtraction no matter how you look at it.
Rambis is long  
Jon in NYC : 5/15/2018 11:12 am : link
gone.
Woodson  
Jon in NYC : 5/15/2018 11:13 am : link
was the only coach to get Melo play the 4 full time and win a playoff series. Im not sure why he gets such a bad rap, other than that he looks clueless all the time.
RE: Woodson  
Enzo : 5/15/2018 11:18 am : link
In comment 13964203 Jon in NYC said:
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was the only coach to get Melo play the 4 full time and win a playoff series. Im not sure why he gets such a bad rap, other than that he looks clueless all the time.

he's an ok coach but nothing special. He was thoroughly out-coached in the Pacers series. Not the main reason they lost, but it didn't help.
RE: RE: Woodson  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2018 11:29 am : link
In comment 13964205 Enzo said:
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was the only coach to get Melo play the 4 full time and win a playoff series. Im not sure why he gets such a bad rap, other than that he looks clueless all the time.


he's an ok coach but nothing special. He was thoroughly out-coached in the Pacers series. Not the main reason they lost, but it didn't help.


Chandler played like a little bitch that series then called out the team
RE: it's still crazy to me  
RAIN : 5/15/2018 1:53 pm : link
In comment 13964161 Enzo said:
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that our best player went out for the year just over halfway into the season and we barely improved our lottery position.


Teams were tanking. We weren't I believe, we just stunk. We would be at #6 if we didn't play important people, in games critical for draft position, like the others (chicago, dallas, etc) did.
what is the worst draft slot  
PaulBlakeTSU : 5/15/2018 1:57 pm : link
the Knicks could get tonight?
RE: what is the worst draft slot  
Jon in NYC : 5/15/2018 1:58 pm : link
In comment 13964476 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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the Knicks could get tonight?


Technically 12, but that would be really tough to pull off. 9 is by far the most likely outcome, but maybe 10.
RE: what is the worst draft slot  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2018 1:59 pm : link
In comment 13964476 PaulBlakeTSU said:
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the Knicks could get tonight?


11 but you would need 2 of the teams seeded 10 through 14 to jump into top 3
Actually I guess 12  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2018 1:59 pm : link
If 3 teams jump in
Pick Odds  
31southst : 5/15/2018 3:03 pm : link
Per tankathon:

#1 - 1.7%
#2 - 2.0%
#3 - 2.4%
#9 - 81.3%
#10 - 8.9%
#11 - 0.2%
#12 - >0.0%
Odds  
31southst : 5/15/2018 3:04 pm : link
Sorry 12.2% for #10 and 0.4% for #11
One-hour draft lottery show?  
bceagle05 : 5/15/2018 7:59 pm : link
That's ridiculous.
Wait.  
Beezer : 5/15/2018 8:10 pm : link
Jamie Gertz owns the Hawks?
RE: Wait.  
steve in ky : 5/15/2018 8:11 pm : link
In comment 13964933 Beezer said:
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Jamie Gertz owns the Hawks?


Yeah I had to do a double take on that one also. She must have married into it.
This woman. What’s her name?  
Beezer : 5/15/2018 8:11 pm : link
So terrible.

And this show. Heinous. The NBA should be embarassed.
Jesus fucking Christ.  
Beezer : 5/15/2018 8:12 pm : link
Do the damn lottery already!!!
Yeah way to take something exciting for fans and ruin it  
steve in ky : 5/15/2018 8:14 pm : link
Far too much garbage.
This is a joke  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2018 8:16 pm : link
..
Well at least not moving down  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2018 8:16 pm : link
..
Commercial?  
bceagle05 : 5/15/2018 8:17 pm : link
What a travesty this has been.
Amazing  
djm : 5/15/2018 8:17 pm : link
We didnt slide to ten.
lol Commercial break  
Beezer : 5/15/2018 8:18 pm : link
Just before Pick 9.

At least the Knicks didn’t slide down from 9. Every non-Knicks call now? Bonus!
RE: Amazing  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2018 8:18 pm : link
In comment 13964953 djm said:
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We didnt slide to ten.


Thought for sure Knicks were getting 10
Fuck  
Carl in CT : 5/15/2018 8:19 pm : link
Fuck
9  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2018 8:19 pm : link
..
only the knicks  
MookGiants : 5/15/2018 8:20 pm : link
can be as bad as they were this year and somehow wind up with the 9th pick.

There literally is zero hope for this franchise. Absolutely none. The fucking Kings jump from what, 7th to the top 3?
Hawks, Kings, Suns  
Mike in NY : 5/15/2018 8:21 pm : link
Are your top 3 in some order
Bulls did all that blatant tanking  
bceagle05 : 5/15/2018 8:21 pm : link
for the seventh fucking pick. Good job.
Jamie Gertz  
Beezer : 5/15/2018 8:21 pm : link
winking and mouthing “all right” as the Hawks jump to the top 3.

Such a strange broadcast.
Kings jumped up last year too  
bceagle05 : 5/15/2018 8:22 pm : link
but the Sixers had the right to switch places with them.
Now just have to nail the pick  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2018 8:22 pm : link
Lot of small forward in that range
Knicks need to Blatantly  
bubba0825 : 5/15/2018 8:24 pm : link
Tank this upcoming year, otherwise what’s the point?
RE: Knicks need to Blatantly  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2018 8:27 pm : link
In comment 13964978 bubba0825 said:
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Tank this upcoming year, otherwise what’s the point?


You realize you do not need the number 1 pick to get great players right?
I think we'll wind up with Mikal.  
bceagle05 : 5/15/2018 8:34 pm : link
Seven may be a little too high for Chicago to take him, and Cleveland probably goes for more upside potential (Young/Sexton).
Not sure if this right, without checking,  
Beezer : 5/15/2018 8:40 pm : link
But off the top ... the Knicks won 5 of their last 13, soooo ... essentially this. If they’d only won 2 of the 13, they’d have ended up in the spot occupied by Sacramento. Meaning the No. 2 pick.
RE: I think we'll wind up with Mikal.  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2018 8:40 pm : link
In comment 13964999 bceagle05 said:
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Seven may be a little too high for Chicago to take him, and Cleveland probably goes for more upside potential (Young/Sexton).


Maybe porter slides, need Sexton and you to sneak into top 8
Thanks  
Beezer : 5/15/2018 8:41 pm : link
Jeff.
Why am I not surprised? We never get any help.  
Jim in Hoboken : 5/15/2018 8:42 pm : link
At least none of the Celtics, Sixers or Cavs are picking in the top 3.
RE: RE: Knicks need to Blatantly  
giantsfan44ab : 5/15/2018 8:44 pm : link
In comment 13964985 nygiants16 said:
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Tank this upcoming year, otherwise what’s the point?



You realize you do not need the number 1 pick to get great players right?


You don’t NEED to but those Dukie commits look enticing right now
Suns needed that #1 as much as anybody  
giantsfan44ab : 5/15/2018 8:46 pm : link
Booker and Ayton will be a sweet duo. Still think Jackson is going to be solid too.
Three teams  
Metnut : 5/15/2018 8:49 pm : link
that no one cares about with the top three picks. Won’t stop the mouth breathers from spewing ridiculous conspiracy theories next time a big market or popular team moves up.
Knicks have to start adding  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2018 8:50 pm : link
Long athletic players at the wing especially with fizdale wanting to play uptempo and small...

Sixers has simmons yiu will have to guard for the next 10 years...

Celtics have brown and tatum...

Porter, both bridges, and Knox fit that bill
Agree preferably wings  
Carl in CT : 5/15/2018 8:51 pm : link
But we just need players
Nine is ok  
djm : 5/15/2018 8:51 pm : link
Just get a good player.
..  
djm : 5/15/2018 8:56 pm : link
At least the Knicks finally have picks. They developed some young talent this last season not a total loss. Picking nine with good cap flexibility only a year away or so away, could be worse. Throughout this 17 years of crap run by the Knicks they rarely ever had any first rounders let alone top ten picks. Knicks at the very least just need to stock their system with legit rotational talent. Top ten picks afford you that chance.
RE: RE: Knicks need to Blatantly  
Greg from LI : 5/15/2018 8:57 pm : link
In comment 13964985 nygiants16 said:
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You realize you do not need the number 1 pick to get great players right?


If you're not picking top five, then you need sharp basketball minds making the pick. Since when do the Knicks have that?
At least we have picks  
djm : 5/15/2018 9:21 pm : link
I’ll keep saying it. Just gotta hit.

The mere fact that we have top ten picks in succession gives me hope. This rarely if ever happens.

the Knicks overall behavior lately hasn’t been bad at all some encouraging signs. Knicks are two years away from fielding a pretty good looking team if they don’t fuck things up. Call me crazy but pretty comfortable in my belief that Perry and mills won’t do anything terrible. It’s whether they do something great that I’m unsure about.
RE: At least we have picks  
nygiants16 : 5/15/2018 9:23 pm : link
In comment 13965078 djm said:
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I’ll keep saying it. Just gotta hit.

The mere fact that we have top ten picks in succession gives me hope. This rarely if ever happens.

the Knicks overall behavior lately hasn’t been bad at all some encouraging signs. Knicks are two years away from fielding a pretty good looking team if they don’t fuck things up. Call me crazy but pretty comfortable in my belief that Perry and mills won’t do anything terrible. It’s whether they do something great that I’m unsure about.


One thing I love of about drafting mikal, is his defense...

He may not be looked at as a superstar talent, but adding him would add some much needed defense...

You then have 2 young perimeter defenders next to a shot blocker in kp...

That is 3 long defenders
So who are your nine best players?  
Anakim : 5/15/2018 9:37 pm : link
I'll give it a shot:

1. Luka Doncic
2. Deandre Ayton
3. Mo Bamba
4. Jaren Jackson Jr.
5. Marvin Bagley III


^^^Those guys will for sure be gone


6. Wendell Carter Jr.
7. Michael Porter Jr.
8. Collin Sexton
9. Trae Young


And then the Bridges?
9.
Why are we looking for role players when there is only one stud on  
Jim in Hoboken : 5/15/2018 9:50 pm : link
the roster, an injured one at that. That's how we ended up with Frank when Mitchell was still on the board.

It appears that some of us can make better picks by looking at YouTube clips, here is a name to keep an eye on: Zhaire Smith!!

I definitely don't want Mikal or Miles. At our range, Sexton seems to have that "it" factor but I don't know how his athleticism translates to the NBA level. I'd give Trae Young a long look also, we need playmakers, period. The other target would be SGA.
Where do we pick in the second round?  
Anakim : 5/15/2018 9:54 pm : link
Maybe we can get guys like Mitchell Robinson or Isaac Bonga?
Apparently we pick 36th.  
bceagle05 : 5/15/2018 10:00 pm : link
I think we have another second rounder later on, too.
RE: Apparently we pick 36th.  
Jim in Fairfax : 5/15/2018 10:18 pm : link
In comment 13965116 bceagle05 said:
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I think we have another second rounder later on, too.

They pick 37th. They have no other second round picks.
If Sexton  
GMEN46 : 5/15/2018 11:43 pm : link
Is available you have to pick him over either Bridges. Way more upside for Sexton.
RE: RE: Apparently we pick 36th.  
Anakim : 5/15/2018 11:49 pm : link
In comment 13965137 Jim in Fairfax said:
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I think we have another second rounder later on, too.


They pick 37th. They have no other second round picks.


So maybe a guy like Isaac Bonga, Hami Diallo, Mitchell Robinson (insanely athletic center), or Mo Wagner? Or maybe a G-League stash guy like Anfernee Simons?
RE: Not sure if this right, without checking,  
Ten Ton Hammer : 5/15/2018 11:51 pm : link
In comment 13965008 Beezer said:
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But off the top ... the Knicks won 5 of their last 13, soooo ... essentially this. If they’d only won 2 of the 13, they’d have ended up in the spot occupied by Sacramento. Meaning the No. 2 pick.


That's not how that works. They could have had Sacramento's slot and still not drawn the Number 2 pick. It's the Knicks. They don't have that kind of luck.
RE: RE: Not sure if this right, without checking,  
Anakim : 5/15/2018 11:57 pm : link
In comment 13965183 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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But off the top ... the Knicks won 5 of their last 13, soooo ... essentially this. If they’d only won 2 of the 13, they’d have ended up in the spot occupied by Sacramento. Meaning the No. 2 pick.



That's not how that works. They could have had Sacramento's slot and still not drawn the Number 2 pick. It's the Knicks. They don't have that kind of luck.



Butterfly Effect!
RE: RE: Apparently we pick 36th.  
bceagle05 : 5/15/2018 11:59 pm : link
In comment 13965137 Jim in Fairfax said:
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I think we have another second rounder later on, too.


They pick 37th. They have no other second round picks.


I saw something on Twitter about Sacramento and Chicago switching places in round two, since they had the same record and Sac had the higher first round pick (supposedly it's an obscure NBA rule?). That would bump the Knicks up to 36, but I can't swear by it.
Extremely  
DanMetroMan : 5/16/2018 9:28 am : link
early but sounds unlike Sexton is high on their board.
I wouldn't give Trae Young a look at all  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2018 9:29 am : link
undersized, mediocre athlete, shooting declined significantly once teams started keying on him. Don't think he's an NBA star.
RE: I wouldn't give Trae Young a look at all  
nygiants16 : 5/16/2018 9:33 am : link
In comment 13965354 Greg from LI said:
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undersized, mediocre athlete, shooting declined significantly once teams started keying on him. Don't think he's an NBA star.


Definition of chuck and duck...

He has very good vision but he is turnover prone...
RE: Extremely  
nygiants16 : 5/16/2018 9:34 am : link
In comment 13965351 DanMetroMan said:
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early but sounds unlike Sexton is high on their board.


Unless Sexton is head and shoulders above the small forwards in that range I see no reason to take him...

Knicks may get lucky and porter falls right into their lap
Bulls seem destined for Wendall Carter  
dep026 : 5/16/2018 9:37 am : link
and seem destined to be a lottery pick for years.

I rather them take a chance on Miles Bridges or Michael Porter before Carter.
RE: Bulls seem destined for Wendall Carter  
nygiants16 : 5/16/2018 9:40 am : link
In comment 13965366 dep026 said:
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and seem destined to be a lottery pick for years.

I rather them take a chance on Miles Bridges or Michael Porter before Carter.


Is kris Dunn viewed as the future there or would that be a landing spot for sexton?
RE: RE: Bulls seem destined for Wendall Carter  
dep026 : 5/16/2018 9:42 am : link
In comment 13965373 nygiants16 said:
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and seem destined to be a lottery pick for years.

I rather them take a chance on Miles Bridges or Michael Porter before Carter.



Is kris Dunn viewed as the future there or would that be a landing spot for sexton?


They are very high on Dunn. Bamba was their ideal pick. Dont think he lasts until 7 though.
RE: RE: RE: Bulls seem destined for Wendall Carter  
nygiants16 : 5/16/2018 9:48 am : link
In comment 13965377 dep026 said:
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and seem destined to be a lottery pick for years.

I rather them take a chance on Miles Bridges or Michael Porter before Carter.



Is kris Dunn viewed as the future there or would that be a landing spot for sexton?



They are very high on Dunn. Bamba was their ideal pick. Dont think he lasts until 7 though.


Yeah I am trying to find 2 landing spots for young and Sexton so porter falls
Read the NY post comments from Avery Johnson  
Carl in CT : 5/16/2018 9:50 am : link
On Sexton. He thinks he is as fast as KJ was and also as athletic as R. Westbrook with a stroke. Said he should be top 5. If any of that is true, he has to be considered.
Cleveland is a good choice  
dep026 : 5/16/2018 9:51 am : link
for one of them. They need a scoring guard in the worst way. And I would look at Orlando as another potential suitor. They have Gordon and Isaacs already. Bamba seems destined to go there, but do they really have any guards that are good?
RE: Read the NY post comments from Avery Johnson  
DanMetroMan : 5/16/2018 9:52 am : link
In comment 13965392 Carl in CT said:
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On Sexton. He thinks he is as fast as KJ was and also as athletic as R. Westbrook with a stroke. Said he should be top 5. If any of that is true, he has to be considered.


His own head coach... what would you expect him to say? Not exactly unbiased.
RE: RE: RE: Bulls seem destined for Wendall Carter  
giantsfan44ab : 5/16/2018 9:54 am : link
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They are very high on Dunn. Bamba was their ideal pick. Dont think he lasts until 7 though.


You think Ayton, Jackson, Bamba, and porter all get picked before the bulls? I think they'd go for any one of them and its not hard seeing Bagley and Young both go top 5 as well.
RE: Cleveland is a good choice  
giantsfan44ab : 5/16/2018 9:56 am : link
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for one of them. They need a scoring guard in the worst way. And I would look at Orlando as another potential suitor. They have Gordon and Isaacs already. Bamba seems destined to go there, but do they really have any guards that are good?


I think Young's best shot of going high is Orlando. They've been killing trying to get PG production.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Bulls seem destined for Wendall Carter  
dep026 : 5/16/2018 9:57 am : link
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They are very high on Dunn. Bamba was their ideal pick. Dont think he lasts until 7 though.



You think Ayton, Jackson, Bamba, and porter all get picked before the bulls? I think they'd go for any one of them and its not hard seeing Bagley and Young both go top 5 as well.


If I had to guess right now....

1. Donacic
2. Ayton
3. Bagley
4. Young
5. Jackson
6. Bamba
7. Carter
8. Sexton
9. Porter
10. One of the Bridges

So the Knicks may get Porter if it goes like this.
I get it his coach  
Carl in CT : 5/16/2018 9:58 am : link
But he was also an NBA player for years. He really owes no loyalty for a one and done freshman to go to that extreme. All I’m saying (if any is true) don’t miss out on the next Mitchell. I don’t care who we have. Need studs.
I definitely see Cavs going point  
nygiants16 : 5/16/2018 10:00 am : link
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I only saw him play in the tournament  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2018 10:10 am : link
But I can't see what the big deal is about Sexton. Can't shoot, not a great playmaker, lousy defender. Very athletic and can get to the rack, but that's about it. Plus, fair or not, Alabama was an enormous disappointment last season and as their star player he's going to bear some of the responsibility for that.
RE: I only saw him play in the tournament  
dep026 : 5/16/2018 10:14 am : link
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But I can't see what the big deal is about Sexton. Can't shoot, not a great playmaker, lousy defender. Very athletic and can get to the rack, but that's about it. Plus, fair or not, Alabama was an enormous disappointment last season and as their star player he's going to bear some of the responsibility for that.


A lot of what you wrote was written about Westbrook too. he wont be nearly as good as him, but his athleticism and able to score will appeal to a lot of teams.
RE: I only saw him play in the tournament  
giantsfan44ab : 5/16/2018 10:15 am : link
In comment 13965425 Greg from LI said:
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But I can't see what the big deal is about Sexton. Can't shoot, not a great playmaker, lousy defender. Very athletic and can get to the rack, but that's about it. Plus, fair or not, Alabama was an enormous disappointment last season and as their star player he's going to bear some of the responsibility for that.


I'm pretty sure you said something similar about Donovan Mitchell last year because he shat the bed against high and mighty UVA.
Dep  
giantsfan44ab : 5/16/2018 10:18 am : link
you think CHI would pass on Porter for Carter? I see no chance Porter falls to NYK. As for #1 overall I think Phoenix goes Ayton. Not cuz of Arizona, but can you build a backcourt with 2 non-defenders in Booker and Doncic? I think Portland has given insight on how that ends up working even when you have 2 of the best offensive guards in the league.
We'll see what this new regime is made of  
ghost718 : 5/16/2018 10:24 am : link
Will they take someone unexpected,or will they select the player most frequently seen in mock drafts.

They're not in a bad spot.It would have been nice to get in the top 3,but there are also a handful of players I would like to avoid.Picking 9th helps with that.
RE: Dep  
dep026 : 5/16/2018 10:26 am : link
In comment 13965437 giantsfan44ab said:
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you think CHI would pass on Porter for Carter? I see no chance Porter falls to NYK. As for #1 overall I think Phoenix goes Ayton. Not cuz of Arizona, but can you build a backcourt with 2 non-defenders in Booker and Doncic? I think Portland has given insight on how that ends up working even when you have 2 of the best offensive guards in the league.


I see Porter and Markhanan playing the same position. I think they want a more legitimate defender next to Lauri. I think they would drool for Bamba, but he wont be there.

Porter is still a big unknown.
RE: RE: Dep  
giantsfan44ab : 5/16/2018 10:30 am : link
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you think CHI would pass on Porter for Carter? I see no chance Porter falls to NYK. As for #1 overall I think Phoenix goes Ayton. Not cuz of Arizona, but can you build a backcourt with 2 non-defenders in Booker and Doncic? I think Portland has given insight on how that ends up working even when you have 2 of the best offensive guards in the league.



I see Porter and Markhanan playing the same position. I think they want a more legitimate defender next to Lauri. I think they would drool for Bamba, but he wont be there.

Porter is still a big unknown.


Maybe, I think there will be a lot of differing opinions on the bigs. I think Ayton goes 1. Doncic 2/3. Does Atlanta put another big next to Collins? I can see Memphis getting a Gasol replacement but they could also try competing and chase Porter in hopes he can make noise with Conley coming back. Dallas I can see going for a big. Orlando I can't if they're keeping Gordon. If Bagely is one of the bigs that gets taken ahead of CHI I think they can get Bamba or JJJ.
I think Donacic goes 1  
dep026 : 5/16/2018 10:31 am : link
because wasnt he coached by the Suns new coach? It makes way too much sense for me.

RE: I think Donacic goes 1  
DanMetroMan : 5/16/2018 10:39 am : link
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because wasnt he coached by the Suns new coach? It makes way too much sense for me.


Ayton went to HS in Arizona, then college there. He's going 1/1.
RE: I think Donacic goes 1  
giantsfan44ab : 5/16/2018 10:43 am : link
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because wasnt he coached by the Suns new coach? It makes way too much sense for me.


Oof that will be a rough backcourt defensively, at least they will have size but still. If I were Phoenix I'd look at Smart closely in the offseason, exactly the type of guard they need for Booker. I think Ayton is what Booker needs offensively, he really looks like he can run the point.
RE: Dep  
nygiants16 : 5/16/2018 10:47 am : link
In comment 13965437 giantsfan44ab said:
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you think CHI would pass on Porter for Carter? I see no chance Porter falls to NYK. As for #1 overall I think Phoenix goes Ayton. Not cuz of Arizona, but can you build a backcourt with 2 non-defenders in Booker and Doncic? I think Portland has given insight on how that ends up working even when you have 2 of the best offensive guards in the league.


Ayrton doncic bagley jjj Carter bamba Sexton young...

Not hard to see how porter falls, just need young and Sexton to go top 8
RE: RE: Dep  
giantsfan44ab : 5/16/2018 10:51 am : link
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you think CHI would pass on Porter for Carter? I see no chance Porter falls to NYK. As for #1 overall I think Phoenix goes Ayton. Not cuz of Arizona, but can you build a backcourt with 2 non-defenders in Booker and Doncic? I think Portland has given insight on how that ends up working even when you have 2 of the best offensive guards in the league.



Ayrton doncic bagley jjj Carter bamba Sexton young...

Not hard to see how porter falls, just need young and Sexton to go top 8


There's still a month left but I'm not seeing the "hype" for Sexton and Bamba going high yet. Like KP jumped from lottery to top 5 lock by this time in that draft. Still also like SGA if we're going PG/wing. Would need either Frank or SGA to bulk up to guard 3s though.
Bamba's wingspan  
dep026 : 5/16/2018 11:01 am : link
is like 9 feet long...haha. He can hit 3s. Someone will fall in love with him.

Hes a better Clint Capela potentially.
RE: Bamba's wingspan  
giantsfan44ab : 5/16/2018 11:05 am : link
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is like 9 feet long...haha. He can hit 3s. Someone will fall in love with him.

Hes a better Clint Capela potentially.


I like Bamba, I dont think hes comparable athletically to Capela. His 3 point shooting is intriguing.
RE: RE: Bamba's wingspan  
dep026 : 5/16/2018 11:08 am : link
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is like 9 feet long...haha. He can hit 3s. Someone will fall in love with him.

Hes a better Clint Capela potentially.



I like Bamba, I dont think hes comparable athletically to Capela. His 3 point shooting is intriguing.


What I like about Mamba is he can put on 25 pounds without losing his athleticism.

I remember what Tyson Chandler looked like whene he was drafted to what he is now. If Bamba can come close to that.... pretty good prospect.
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giantsfan44ab : 5/16/2018 11:14 am : link
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is like 9 feet long...haha. He can hit 3s. Someone will fall in love with him.

Hes a better Clint Capela potentially.


I remember what Tyson Chandler looked like whene he was drafted to what he is now. If Bamba can come close to that.... pretty good prospect.


He'd be perfect for Chicago. Mainly because I dont think you can survive with markannen at the 5 like you can with KP at the 5. Chicago has means of trading for a decent 3 if they need. Based on age/contract situation I'd take Markannen over Portis, but do you think it's guaranteed Lauri will be better than Portis at peak? I'm taking Portis over Bagley or Carter anyday. I'd rather trade 9 for Chicago for Portis than take those 2.
Comps  
Pep22 : 5/16/2018 11:26 am : link
Upside Comp = Ayton: David Robinson; more likely ________

Upside Comp = Doncic: Paul Pierce; more likely ________

Bagley: a more athletic Derrick Favors

Upside Comp = Bamba: Rudy Gobert; more likely ________

Sexton: Eric Bledsoe

Young: a homeless man's Steph Curry; more likely Mike Bibby

JJJ (Jackson): Marquisse Chriss

Porter: Joe Johnson

Carter: David West

Mikal Bridges: Khris Middleton

Miles Bridges: Stanley Johnson

SGA: Frank Ntilikina
RE: Comps  
giantsfan44ab : 5/16/2018 11:29 am : link
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Upside Comp = Ayton: David Robinson; more likely ________

Upside Comp = Doncic: Paul Pierce; more likely ________

Bagley: a more athletic Derrick Favors

Upside Comp = Bamba: Rudy Gobert; more likely ________

Sexton: Eric Bledsoe

Young: a homeless man's Steph Curry; more likely Mike Bibby

JJJ (Jackson): Marquisse Chriss

Porter: Joe Johnson

Carter: David West

Mikal Bridges: Khris Middleton

Miles Bridges: Stanley Johnson

SGA: Frank Ntilikina


Yikes...
Jerry West  
bceagle05 : 5/16/2018 11:42 am : link
made some great points about the draft during his interview on the dais yesterday - the only good part of ESPN's coverage. He said that everyone wants stars with every draft pick, but there's really only five or six true superstar players in the whole league. The goal should be to just add a good player to your team.

Everyone talks about how unlucky the Knicks have been in the lottery, but the KP pick is about as lucky as it gets. We got the second best player in that draft - someone with HOF potential - with the fourth overall pick, while the guys picked at #2/#3 have been disappointments.
RE: Jerry West  
giantsfan44ab : 5/16/2018 11:45 am : link
In comment 13965541 bceagle05 said:
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made some great points about the draft during his interview on the dais yesterday - the only good part of ESPN's coverage. He said that everyone wants stars with every draft pick, but there's really only five or six true superstar players in the whole league. The goal should be to just add a good player to your team.

Everyone talks about how unlucky the Knicks have been in the lottery, but the KP pick is about as lucky as it gets. We got the second best player in that draft - someone with HOF potential - with the fourth overall pick, while the guys picked at #2/#3 have been disappointments.


To me West is just saying something without saying anything. how does that change a draft strategy approach to anything. Good players and great players all exhibit similar skills, it's just great players have more of them.
I don't think it had to do with draft strategy necessarily  
bceagle05 : 5/16/2018 11:50 am : link
just about lowering expectations. He has the 12th and 13th picks, so maybe he was speaking to his fan base a little, too.
No way porter falls to 9  
GMEN46 : 5/16/2018 1:05 pm : link
Just curious if Porter was there at 6 or 7 and Knicks really wanted him as their guy, what is thhe cost for that kind of move? I have no idea in the NBA. I am assuming probably a future protected 1st and some 2nds?
RE: No way porter falls to 9  
giantsfan44ab : 5/16/2018 1:06 pm : link
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Just curious if Porter was there at 6 or 7 and Knicks really wanted him as their guy, what is thhe cost for that kind of move? I have no idea in the NBA. I am assuming probably a future protected 1st and some 2nds?


That or Frank.
RE: No way porter falls to 9  
Enzo : 5/16/2018 1:14 pm : link
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Just curious if Porter was there at 6 or 7 and Knicks really wanted him as their guy, what is thhe cost for that kind of move? I have no idea in the NBA. I am assuming probably a future protected 1st and some 2nds?

doesn't happen all that often. But a few years ago the Sixers dropped down to 12 from 10 and got a future #1 and a #2.
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