I'm paraphrasing, but she raised an interesting point that I think some folks on BBI have mentioned. She thinks the Giants are doing a disservice to Barkley and the team by over-hyping Barkley. My guess is she was mostly talking about Gettleman's comments, but it raises an interesting question.
Would a 1,200 yard rookie season be a disappointment for most fans? How about 10 touchdowns?
What is YOUR expectation level with Barkley.
60 catches for 550 yards
12 TDs
65 catches for 500 yards, 2 TD
I think Barkley is going to rack up a lot of yards in the passing game. It's this versatility that makes him an immense prospect for the Giants, IMO.
If he gets 1,200 on the ground and another 500-700 in the passing game, I'd be more than satisfied.
Best prospect since Peyton Manning?
Kind of unfair to the kid.
Disagree with you about Elliott, who was also called a once in a generation running back. If he's on par with Elliott(minus the off the field), that would be spectacular.
If Barkley fails I won't bitch and moan about the "hype train". I'll be disappointed the #2 overall pick wasn't good.
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but I do think he's more talented then Elliott, Fournette, Gurley, etc.
Disagree with you about Elliott, who was also called a once in a generation running back. If he's on par with Elliott(minus the off the field), that would be spectacular.
Elliott is a very good pro tailback, a throwback of sorts. But, he lacks the explosion, change of direction, and top gear s SB has.
But think about it: the Giants draft the #2 pick, all the writers ask constantly about him, so the Giants say, yeah, they like him a lot and think he's going to be good. So then they're over-hyping him. I think that's a bunch of crap.
The NFL will knock the "new" off Barkley quickly enough, but I think he's got enough mental fortitude to weather through it and make his presence known. It's only the fans who may be disappointed by their own unrealistic expectations.
If Barkley fails I won't bitch and moan about the "hype train". I'll be disappointed the #2 overall pick wasn't good.
I think the more valid question is if the Giants might be doing him a disservice focusing on him so much. It's a lot of pressure and if he's merely a top 10 back it might cause some idiots to knock him. I guess on the field concern would be him trying to do too much.
Faulk's rookie year he rushed 314 times for 1282 yds. and caught 52 passes for 522 yds. I don't expect him to get 314 carries, so 1100 rushing and 522 passing would be just fine with me.
The rest is just fodder for talking heads
65 catches for 500 yards, 2 TD
That would be almost what the entire RB Corp put up last year and even better as far as TDs go.
They ran for 1549 yds with 6 rushing TDs, and had 608 receiving yds with only 1 TD.
Sign me up for your numbers right now.
Are you still going to have your lips surgically attached to his ass if he is a fairly ordinary back?
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Looking through the lens of a talent evaluator, there isnt a box Barkley didnt check. I would imagine those are hard to come by for people in that profession.
If you're scouting Barkley, where is his weakness? It's not size, speed, athleticism, production, character, work ethic, health, pass pro, catching the ball, vision.
None of that means he's a lock in the pros. It just means he was the smart, obvious pick to make.
He does have better hands, but didn't Elliott run a similar 40 time? Coming out of OSU, Elliott was known for being great with and without the ball in his hands. A great blocker, an extremely physical back, and he was/is able to go the distance.
All I'm saying is if you really think he's gonna be better than Elliott, those are some pretty high expectations.
But there's a chance he does, and if he struggles people are going to be regurgitating those lines repeatedly. He's still a human being, regardless of which hand God decided to molest him with.
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who actually cares or pays attention to "hype"? I never understood this phenomenon, whether it be sports, movies, etc.
If Barkley fails I won't bitch and moan about the "hype train". I'll be disappointed the #2 overall pick wasn't good.
I think the more valid question is if the Giants might be doing him a disservice focusing on him so much. It's a lot of pressure and if he's merely a top 10 back it might cause some idiots to knock him. I guess on the field concern would be him trying to do too much.
He seems like a guy who can handle himself well when criticized. If he can't, then we have bigger problems than hype.
No, they don't tell the whole story, I can't agree with you you there regarding explosion. Barkley can definitely make sharper cuts, and he's quicker in smaller spaces, that is the strength of his game, but Elliott often looks like he's shot out of a cannon.
... but I'm not all that interested in the numbers. In a perfect world, I imagine his numbers will be up and down, with the REAL impact coming (I hope) from the Giants' ability to take whatever the defense is willing to give.
If the Giants have at least a relatively successful season, and Barkley's numbers aren't out of this world, I'm certain that a sect of idiotic fans will be critical and not see the big picture. That'll be too bad.
But unless its "good yards"...meaning it happens with consistency, especially during first halves and moves the chains, it will be somewhat meaningless. Giants need to get people committed to stopping the run with more than just the 4 down-lineman. That will create an efficient passing offense that Eli should be able to handle, and put up way more points on the board.
And as to Kay Adams...if she's talking then you should be watching.
For me, I would have a huge problem if he did not immediately become our feature back. I would also have a problem if he was splitting the touches. Even a 60/40 split in his favor is unacceptable. Why put an inferior back in there? The only answer to that question I would accept is Barkley's stamina and ability to endure a full load in a 16 game season for the first time in his life. The beating on his body will be something he has never experienced before.
If he's healthy I'd be disappointed if he didn't break Beckham's Giants record for total yards from scrimmage as a rookie, remembering that Beckham set that while missing 4 games.
If Barkley makes a big, consistent contribution to the Giants winning games, then it was a great pick. It's as simple as that, whether you wanted the Giants to draft him or not. It's not about a stat line, and it's not about his reaching some non-quantifiable bar of extraordinary talent.
Tune out this nonsensical media noise.
With the Giants selecting a RB with the second over all pick, passing up on the potential franchise signal caller for the best player in the draft, you expect to see the offense on an all together different level, day 1.
His presence changes how the OC will design plays. His overall effectiveness will dictate how the OC calls plays.
He can have a huge impact at 1,200 yards.
He could just be window dressing at 1,700 yards.
We'll see~
Looking forward to whatever it is...