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Kay Adams: "Giants over-hyping Saquon Barkley"

Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/15/2018 12:19 pm
I'm paraphrasing, but she raised an interesting point that I think some folks on BBI have mentioned. She thinks the Giants are doing a disservice to Barkley and the team by over-hyping Barkley. My guess is she was mostly talking about Gettleman's comments, but it raises an interesting question.

Would a 1,200 yard rookie season be a disappointment for most fans? How about 10 touchdowns?

What is YOUR expectation level with Barkley.
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RE: Care less about pushing yards  
giants#1 : 5/15/2018 1:15 pm : link
In comment 13964374 Sy'56 said:
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More about total yards and the pressure he takes off the passing game


^This. His presence isn't just about his numbers. He should also help the WRs (and Eli). To that end, one thing to look at will be Beckham's yard/rec numbers. He averaged 14.3 y/r as a rookie and then 15.1 y/r in 2015 before dropping to 13.5 and 12.1 the last 2 seasons (granted last season doesn't really count). So with a little less focus on him, can Beckham get back up to 14.5-15.0 y/r?

An extra 1.0-1.5 y/r may not seem like a lot, but that's an extra 100-150 yards over the season and could be the difference between extending some drives and punting.

When you are touched by the hand of God and a Touchdown maker  
NYSports1 : 5/15/2018 1:25 pm : link
I expect nothing less than 1500 rushing yards and 15 touchdowns
For me the expectations are more  
Jan in DC : 5/15/2018 1:27 pm : link
from his peers than anything else. Gurley, Fournette and Elliott all had over 1000 yards rushing their rookie season. I expect that, at the very least.

It might be unfair, but they drafted him over a QB. And we know that RBs traditionally have about an 8-10 year window and tend to have immediate impacts. So where he was drafted and who he was drafted over as well as what other comparable picks have done in the league lead me to these expectations.
Yes I think they have over-hyped Barkley  
jfosterBigBlue : 5/15/2018 1:29 pm : link
I think Gettleman has over-hyped Barkley. "Touched by the hand of God" and all. The media has run with that statement and others - especially the media that thought they were foolish to draft Barkley instead of one of the QBs. The media (with help from Gettleman) are making the first year expectations so high that there will be little chance Barkley can live up to it. Then the 'experts' will be telling us how right they were that the Giants should have taken a QB. I have watched enough ESPN shows and read enough Giants articles to see it coming....
I don't have statistical expectations  
Tim in VA : 5/15/2018 1:29 pm : link
I am able to judge what I see on the field, also taking into account the team and coaching aspects that can sometimes negatively or positively affect overall production (see Eli Manning). I do expect Barkley to be a playmaker and matchup nightmare from day 1 though.
He was drafted #2 overall  
ZogZerg : 5/15/2018 1:32 pm : link
Expectations are sky high.

I don't think you can pin that on "over-hyping" by the Giants.

He was top rated prospect in the draft and all the sports folks are hyping him up.
When you take a RB #2 over all,  
Default : 5/15/2018 1:32 pm : link
he better be Rookie of the Year.
Yea I expect the following and will be upset if these aren't met  
DennyInDenville : 5/15/2018 1:34 pm : link
Conservatively speaking I want ...

1.) 1,500+ rushing yards
2.) 65+ catches for 800+ yards
3.) 14 + TDs
4.) > 2 fumbles , 15+ games played
5.) Grade A pass protection, plays 85%+ of all snaps
RE: Shockey came in as a rookie  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/15/2018 1:36 pm : link
In comment 13964380 UberAlias said:
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And right away you could just see things were different with him out there. Yes, his career did not quite live up to that initial promise, but especially in that first year there was a spark the moment he stepped on the field and the offense was immediately on a different level.

With the Giants selecting a RB with the second over all pick, passing up on the potential franchise signal caller for the best player in the draft, you expect to see the offense on an all together different level, day 1.


Well said. No excuses.
the Giants have always  
Bill in UT : 5/15/2018 1:37 pm : link
over-hyped their rookies.
David Johnson averaged about 4+ yds per carry for 1200 plus for a full season, 80 catches and 20 TDs, behind an ordinary offensive line. I see no reason Barkley shouldn't be able to top that if he's a generational player.
Eric,  
Hades07 : 5/15/2018 1:37 pm : link
He has been hyped so much for so long, anything short of the best season ever by an NFL RB will cause many to be disappointed. I expect that he will become just as polarizing a figure with Giants fans as Eli was.

Fans will spend less time discussing the 3 TDs he might score in a game and talk about how he came up short on that 3rd down in the 1st quarter as the reason they lost 24-21.
I can't wait for all of the QB > RB draft posters  
Brown Recluse : 5/15/2018 1:38 pm : link
(most of whome have for some reason disappeared after the draft ended) to come back after the season and tell us how they were right and the Giants were wrong in not taking a QB just because Barkley didn't hit some sort of "statistical success measurement."

"BUT LOOK AT THE DATA.....!!"

I'll be happy if he stays healthy and plays in all 16 games  
David B. : 5/15/2018 1:38 pm : link
If he does that, I'm sure he'll contribute a lot and make an impact. I don't much care about the exact numbers. Stay healthy, make plays.
YPC  
x meadowlander : 5/15/2018 1:41 pm : link
Get me over 4.7 YPC and I'm happy.

RE: Yea I expect the following and will be upset if these aren't met  
giants#1 : 5/15/2018 1:42 pm : link
In comment 13964431 DennyInDenville said:
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Conservatively speaking I want ...

1.) 1,500+ rushing yards
2.) 65+ catches for 800+ yards
3.) 14 + TDs
4.) > 2 fumbles , 15+ games played
5.) Grade A pass protection, plays 85%+ of all snaps


Why do you want more than 2 fumbles?

And how is 2300+ yards from scrimmage "conservative"? That's a top 10 all time season!
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RE: He was drafted #2 overall  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 5/15/2018 1:43 pm : link
In comment 13964427 ZogZerg said:
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Expectations are sky high.

I don't think you can pin that on "over-hyping" by the Giants.

He was top rated prospect in the draft and all the sports folks are hyping him up.

This.

Not the Giants, the media.

and yes I expect him to rock our world...
RE: the Giants have always  
RAIN : 5/15/2018 1:52 pm : link
In comment 13964435 Bill in UT said:
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over-hyped their rookies.
David Johnson averaged about 4+ yds per carry for 1200 plus for a full season, 80 catches and 20 TDs, behind an ordinary offensive line. I see no reason Barkley shouldn't be able to top that if he's a generational player.


Our Oline has some work to just get to ordinary. Couple that with a new coach and scheme. 1200 yards is reasonable, but i agree that the "hype train" needs to be walked back a bit for the sake of the player.
Eric....Kay Adams thinks the Giants are over-hyping him?  
Emlen'sGremlins : 5/15/2018 1:55 pm : link
Ummm....what about his own promotional firm Roc Nation & Nike?

According to the Sports Illustrated NFL Draft cover story on Barkley this is how they both see things.

"It's Kobe, LeBron, Jordan, Tiger, Serena....and Saquan."
He's being paid as a top 5 RB,  
BH28 : 5/15/2018 1:56 pm : link
so i expect him to perform as one. I think 1200 yards, 8-10 TDs would fit that expectation. Especially with the instant success recent rookie RBs have had.

Let's see...we're now using Good Morning football's eye candy  
Thatís Gold, Jerry : 5/15/2018 1:56 pm : link
as an expert football analyst! Man, things have sunk to new levels on this site.

Anyway, as to expectations for Barkley, I quote Bill Parcells: "Let's not put him in Canton yet"
probably the first back to  
madgiantscow009 : 5/15/2018 1:57 pm : link
break 3,000 yards in a season by the 10th game.
RE: Care less about pushing yards  
Rjanyg : 5/15/2018 1:58 pm : link
In comment 13964374 Sy'56 said:
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More about total yards and the pressure he takes off the passing game


100% agree with this. Forcing teams to honor the running game will do wonders for the passing game, especially the play action passing. Safteys will be biting hard on the play fake along with LB's and it should make passing lanes open up.
Eric are you kidding me?  
The 12th Man : 5/15/2018 2:08 pm : link
She knows as much about football as Anakim does. She was the in play baseball announcer for Cardinals baseball games not football games before she landed this gig.

Not worried about hyping him, the kid will have no issue dealing with it. I expect him to fall within the top 5 RB's in the league. I would love 8 to 10 rushing Td's and 4 receiving td's and 1,300 rushing yards for the year. He does that he will meet all the hype and Eli will look like he is 30 again.
1500 yards from scrimmage and 12+total TDs  
AcesUp : 5/15/2018 2:15 pm : link
Anything less than that would be a disappointment because it would have been available for much less money later in the draft. RBs enter the league at or near their prime, this isn't a situation where you need to be patient. He should be close to what he is going to be from the jump.

It's fair as well, he wanted to be drafted as high as possible and he has not shied away from spotlight or pressure. This is what comes with the kind of hype and expectations that got him drafted at 2.
We didn't start this,  
oldog : 5/15/2018 2:16 pm : link
he was touted as exceptional by the news media well pre-draft, and forecast to go first or near to. He did, but the subsequent noise has again come more from the media, including, for example, Sports Illustrated, than from any Giants source. What to reasonably expect, Sy is right, impact of diversification on offense, pressure off Eli and Odell, and not just more rushing but 1500 total yards.
RE: I can't wait for all of the QB > RB draft posters  
Jim in Tampa : 5/15/2018 2:16 pm : link
In comment 13964437 Brown Recluse said:
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(most of whome have for some reason disappeared after the draft ended) to come back after the season and tell us how they were right and the Giants were wrong in not taking a QB just because Barkley didn't hit some sort of "statistical success measurement."

"BUT LOOK AT THE DATA.....!!"


When the draft was over and the Giants had chosen Barkley over a QB, the "QB > RB" posters (myself included) were called whinny bitches, butt-hurt, snowflakes and various other names, whenever we tried to continue the discussion.

Now you're calling us out because we've "disappeared"???

You can't have it both ways.

The Giants made their choice. Why would we continue the debate weeks after the draft, when it will take at least a couple of years to determine whether or not the correct choice was made?
RE: Eric....Kay Adams thinks the Giants are over-hyping him?  
AcesUp : 5/15/2018 2:16 pm : link
In comment 13964470 Emlen'sGremlins said:
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Ummm....what about his own promotional firm Roc Nation & Nike?

According to the Sports Illustrated NFL Draft cover story on Barkley this is how they both see things.

"It's Kobe, LeBron, Jordan, Tiger, Serena....and Saquan."


This as well. He's marketing himself, as he should be.
if cliches such as "touched by the hand of God"  
JonC : 5/15/2018 2:17 pm : link
bother you, it's time to take a break from life and figure out how to lighten up.
RE: RE: I can't wait for all of the QB > RB draft posters  
Bill L : 5/15/2018 2:19 pm : link
In comment 13964518 Jim in Tampa said:
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In comment 13964437 Brown Recluse said:


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(most of whome have for some reason disappeared after the draft ended) to come back after the season and tell us how they were right and the Giants were wrong in not taking a QB just because Barkley didn't hit some sort of "statistical success measurement."

"BUT LOOK AT THE DATA.....!!"




When the draft was over and the Giants had chosen Barkley over a QB, the "QB > RB" posters (myself included) were called whinny bitches, butt-hurt, snowflakes and various other names, whenever we tried to continue the discussion.

Now you're calling us out because we've "disappeared"???

You can't have it both ways.

The Giants made their choice. Why would we continue the debate weeks after the draft, when it will take at least a couple of years to determine whether or not the correct choice was made?
It's only me, but I prefer it your way.
Yeah  
afann : 5/15/2018 2:22 pm : link
The Giants were excited to get him and DG was gushing over him but every and I mean everyone was saying he was the best person in the draft. The over all consensus was that he was the best prospect since Peyton and Luck and a once in a generation player and that was not just from the Giants. Analysts and players were saying no one compares to him, except of course when the giants took him then people said Ďhow can they take a RB that high. Now, itís the Giants are over hyping them. The media is NEVER happy and they want to paint a negative picture on EVERYTHING. Why?? Because bad press sells
RE: We didn't start this,  
Bill L : 5/15/2018 2:22 pm : link
In comment 13964516 oldog said:
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he was touted as exceptional by the news media well pre-draft, and forecast to go first or near to. He did, but the subsequent noise has again come more from the media, including, for example, Sports Illustrated, than from any Giants source. What to reasonably expect, Sy is right, impact of diversification on offense, pressure off Eli and Odell, and not just more rushing but 1500 total yards.


I think that this is pertinent. His number may actually not match up to our dreams or even our expectations. But I would be willing to bet that there will be a lot of hidden numbers.

If Eli or OBJ, or Engram, etc all of the sudden start putting up ridiculous stats, then maybe some of their numbers are actually Barkley's.

It might just be that the way to evaluate Barkley's worth and impact, is to look and see how the offense performs in toto.
RE: I can't wait for all of the QB > RB draft posters  
EricJ : 5/15/2018 2:25 pm : link
In comment 13964437 Brown Recluse said:
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(most of whome have for some reason disappeared after the draft ended) to come back after the season and tell us how they were right and the Giants were wrong in not taking a QB just because Barkley didn't hit some sort of "statistical success measurement."

"BUT LOOK AT THE DATA.....!!"


I was one of the guys saying we needed to draft a QB. I have not disappeared. The difference is that the draft is over moron and there is no point in discussing what the Giants SHOULD HAVE DONE. They made the pick so now I am on board with doing whatever it takes to win with what we have.

Shit.. if people were here still screaming about the selection then that would be ridiculous. I hope Barkley ends up being the best RB in Giants history. Who would not want that to happen at this point?
RE: Yea I expect the following and will be upset if these aren't met  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/15/2018 2:26 pm : link
In comment 13964431 DennyInDenville said:
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Conservatively speaking I want ...

1.) 1,500+ rushing yards
2.) 65+ catches for 800+ yards
3.) 14 + TDs
4.) > 2 fumbles , 15+ games played
5.) Grade A pass protection, plays 85%+ of all snaps

More than two fumbles? Why would you root for that?

And I don't think he's going to play 85% of snaps - that's a really high number.
if you don't expect big things from Saquon ...  
Csonka : 5/15/2018 2:27 pm : link
then you don't take him #2.
RE: RE: I can't wait for all of the QB > RB draft posters  
Bill L : 5/15/2018 2:27 pm : link
In comment 13964536 EricJ said:
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In comment 13964437 Brown Recluse said:


Quote:


(most of whome have for some reason disappeared after the draft ended) to come back after the season and tell us how they were right and the Giants were wrong in not taking a QB just because Barkley didn't hit some sort of "statistical success measurement."

"BUT LOOK AT THE DATA.....!!"




I was one of the guys saying we needed to draft a QB. I have not disappeared. The difference is that the draft is over moron and there is no point in discussing what the Giants SHOULD HAVE DONE. They made the pick so now I am on board with doing whatever it takes to win with what we have.

Shit.. if people were here still screaming about the selection then that would be ridiculous. I hope Barkley ends up being the best RB in Giants history. Who would not want that to happen at this point?
To be fair, there actually are still players screaming about it.
RE: RE: I can't wait for all of the QB > RB draft posters  
Jan in DC : 5/15/2018 2:29 pm : link
In comment 13964536 EricJ said:
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In comment 13964437 Brown Recluse said:


Quote:


(most of whome have for some reason disappeared after the draft ended) to come back after the season and tell us how they were right and the Giants were wrong in not taking a QB just because Barkley didn't hit some sort of "statistical success measurement."

"BUT LOOK AT THE DATA.....!!"




I was one of the guys saying we needed to draft a QB. I have not disappeared. The difference is that the draft is over moron and there is no point in discussing what the Giants SHOULD HAVE DONE. They made the pick so now I am on board with doing whatever it takes to win with what we have.

Shit.. if people were here still screaming about the selection then that would be ridiculous. I hope Barkley ends up being the best RB in Giants history. Who would not want that to happen at this point?


This is exactly how I feel. I wanted a QB, didn't happen, so I'm on board with the Barkley pick. I want him to succeed, just like I want Eli to succeed.
The Barkley bandwagon is trying really hard to have it both ways  
Greg from LI : 5/15/2018 2:39 pm : link
On the one hand, he's the greatest running back prospect to ever grace a football field, a hybrid of Jim Brown and Barry Sanders only better, "touched by the hand of God" and assorted other silliness.

On the other hand, if you say you expect production commensurate with the hyperbole, his fan club sputters about how unfair the expectations are. Either he IS what his boosters say he is, or he isn't.
RE: The Barkley bandwagon is trying really hard to have it both ways  
Bill L : 5/15/2018 2:41 pm : link
In comment 13964570 Greg from LI said:
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On the one hand, he's the greatest running back prospect to ever grace a football field, a hybrid of Jim Brown and Barry Sanders only better, "touched by the hand of God" and assorted other silliness.

On the other hand, if you say you expect production commensurate with the hyperbole, his fan club sputters about how unfair the expectations are. Either he IS what his boosters say he is, or he isn't.
I am not downplaying production; I'm saying production is impact and impact will show up in more than just his own personal numbers.
RE: The Barkley bandwagon is trying really hard to have it both ways  
JoeMoney19 : 5/15/2018 2:43 pm : link
In comment 13964570 Greg from LI said:
Quote:
On the one hand, he's the greatest running back prospect to ever grace a football field, a hybrid of Jim Brown and Barry Sanders only better, "touched by the hand of God" and assorted other silliness.

On the other hand, if you say you expect production commensurate with the hyperbole, his fan club sputters about how unfair the expectations are. Either he IS what his boosters say he is, or he isn't.

Can't wait for the 1,500 total yards / 11 TD rookie season debates.
Well, Barkley shouldn't upset God so  
Jimmy Googs : 5/15/2018 2:45 pm : link
lets go with 2000 total yards from scrimmage and 16 TDs...
My expectation is that  
Pascal4554 : 5/15/2018 2:46 pm : link
we compete for the division and to make the playoffs and Barkley is a big reason why. I think 1200 yards and 10 touchdowns would be a terrific year. He was taken with the #2 overall pick. What are the Giants supposed to say? We picked him #2 because we think he sucks. He has a good head on his shoulders. If he can't handle the expectations and pressures of playing in New York as the #2 pick he shouldn't have been the #2 pick. I think he will handle the pressure fine.

My guess is if we start playing winning football and the disaster of last season starts to be washed from people's memories, if Barkley plays at or near a pro bowl level, people will quickly forget about overly hyped expectations and just be happy he is a Giant.

If next year we have another dismal season (which I don't think will happen), then nothing Barkley does will be good enough.

...  
Mr. Bungle : 5/15/2018 2:46 pm : link
In comment 13964570 Greg from LI said:
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he's the greatest running back prospect to ever grace a football field, a hybrid of Jim Brown and Barry Sanders only better

Said no one ever.
RE: RE: I can't wait for all of the QB > RB draft posters  
Brown Recluse : 5/15/2018 2:47 pm : link
In comment 13964536 EricJ said:
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In comment 13964437 Brown Recluse said:


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(most of whome have for some reason disappeared after the draft ended) to come back after the season and tell us how they were right and the Giants were wrong in not taking a QB just because Barkley didn't hit some sort of "statistical success measurement."

"BUT LOOK AT THE DATA.....!!"




I was one of the guys saying we needed to draft a QB. I have not disappeared. The difference is that the draft is over moron and there is no point in discussing what the Giants SHOULD HAVE DONE. They made the pick so now I am on board with doing whatever it takes to win with what we have.

Shit.. if people were here still screaming about the selection then that would be ridiculous. I hope Barkley ends up being the best RB in Giants history. Who would not want that to happen at this point?


Moron? Haha. Anyway...

If you're still here then clearly you're not one of the people I'm referring to. There were a lot of posters that popped in a few months before the draft and banged their drum about QB over RB. They stuck around for a week or so after the draft to keep whining and then they disappeared.
Apparently some people  
Mr. Bungle : 5/15/2018 2:47 pm : link
need this resource.
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RE: The Barkley bandwagon is trying really hard to have it both ways  
WillVAB : 5/15/2018 2:48 pm : link
In comment 13964570 Greg from LI said:
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On the one hand, he's the greatest running back prospect to ever grace a football field, a hybrid of Jim Brown and Barry Sanders only better, "touched by the hand of God" and assorted other silliness.

On the other hand, if you say you expect production commensurate with the hyperbole, his fan club sputters about how unfair the expectations are. Either he IS what his boosters say he is, or he isn't.


This is fair.

He was taken number 2 overall and is already paid like a top 5 RB. No excuses, he needs to produce as advertised.
RE: ...  
Greg from LI : 5/15/2018 2:48 pm : link
In comment 13964591 Mr. Bungle said:
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In comment 13964570 Greg from LI said:


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he's the greatest running back prospect to ever grace a football field, a hybrid of Jim Brown and Barry Sanders only better


Said no one ever.


Didn't follow those threads too closely, did you?
RE: The Barkley bandwagon is trying really hard to have it both ways  
Brown Recluse : 5/15/2018 2:49 pm : link
In comment 13964570 Greg from LI said:
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On the one hand, he's the greatest running back prospect to ever grace a football field, a hybrid of Jim Brown and Barry Sanders only better, "touched by the hand of God" and assorted other silliness.

On the other hand, if you say you expect production commensurate with the hyperbole, his fan club sputters about how unfair the expectations are. Either he IS what his boosters say he is, or he isn't.


Pedo State. Pedo State. Blah blah blah. Virginia sucks. Blah. Blah.
RE: RE: ...  
Mr. Bungle : 5/15/2018 2:49 pm : link
In comment 13964598 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 13964591 Mr. Bungle said:


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In comment 13964570 Greg from LI said:


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he's the greatest running back prospect to ever grace a football field, a hybrid of Jim Brown and Barry Sanders only better


Said no one ever.



Didn't follow those threads too closely, did you?

Link me to one.
Greg  
Chris684 : 5/15/2018 2:51 pm : link
Your posts read like the ramblings of an angry, delusional old man.

RE: I can't wait for all of the QB > RB draft posters  
Keith : 5/15/2018 2:52 pm : link
In comment 13964437 Brown Recluse said:
Quote:
(most of whome have for some reason disappeared after the draft ended) to come back after the season and tell us how they were right and the Giants were wrong in not taking a QB just because Barkley didn't hit some sort of "statistical success measurement."

"BUT LOOK AT THE DATA.....!!"


This post sucks on a few levels. First off, I was one who was pretty adamant about not drafting a RB at 2. I still feel like it was a bad decision. I haven't really mentioned it since the draft because:

A. I like to root for Giants players to succeed
and
B. I don't want to keep harping on something that is over and I have no control over.

Have I disappeared??? Would you rather I continually post about why I think it's a bad idea? Also, just because the Giants ended up drafting a RB doesn't mean it was the right move. Time will tell.
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