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Kay Adams: "Giants over-hyping Saquon Barkley"

Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/15/2018 12:19 pm
I'm paraphrasing, but she raised an interesting point that I think some folks on BBI have mentioned. She thinks the Giants are doing a disservice to Barkley and the team by over-hyping Barkley. My guess is she was mostly talking about Gettleman's comments, but it raises an interesting question.

Would a 1,200 yard rookie season be a disappointment for most fans? How about 10 touchdowns?

What is YOUR expectation level with Barkley.
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What was Elliot's rookie numbers?  
kelsto811 : 5/15/2018 2:52 pm : link
Anything less than that and I think you'll see opinions about how he wasn't worth 2nd overall. I wouldn't agree with that but I think that's a benchmark.
Barkley hype started  
PEEJ : 5/15/2018 2:53 pm : link
way before the Giants drafted him
RE: Greg  
Greg from LI : 5/15/2018 2:53 pm : link
In comment 13964604 Chris684 said:
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Your posts read like the ramblings of an angry, delusional old man.


I'd retort, but then I would have to read your posts to know what they read like. I see "Chris684" and my eyes glaze over
His 'production'  
Jay in Toronto : 5/15/2018 2:54 pm : link
should also be measured in his contribution to the passing game:

As pointed out, receiving yard but also as another threat to cover, as tiring out the D with the run game, as creating a credible 'sell' for play action passes etc etc
RE: RE: Greg  
Keith : 5/15/2018 2:54 pm : link
In comment 13964612 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 13964604 Chris684 said:


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Your posts read like the ramblings of an angry, delusional old man.




I'd retort, but then I would have to read your posts to know what they read like. I see "Chris684" and my eyes glaze over


lol, this is funny. However, its obviously not true as you clearly read this post.
Whatever Kay Adams says is correct  
allstarjim : 5/15/2018 2:54 pm : link
She is definitely a contender for most beautiful woman on earth. Talk about being touched by the hand of God.
RE: Whatever Kay Adams says is correct  
Keith : 5/15/2018 2:56 pm : link
In comment 13964616 allstarjim said:
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She is definitely a contender for most beautiful woman on earth. Talk about being touched by the hand of God.


So, so true. She's very attractive, she seems smart, she loves football and she plays fantasy. She's a catch(no pun intended?)
RE: Whatever Kay Adams says is correct  
Bill L : 5/15/2018 2:56 pm : link
In comment 13964616 allstarjim said:
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She is definitely a contender for most beautiful woman on earth. Talk about being touched by the hand of God.
Well that's just great. God's gonna get fired because of MeToo
RE: RE: I can't wait for all of the QB > RB draft posters  
Brown Recluse : 5/15/2018 2:59 pm : link
In comment 13964518 Jim in Tampa said:
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In comment 13964437 Brown Recluse said:


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(most of whome have for some reason disappeared after the draft ended) to come back after the season and tell us how they were right and the Giants were wrong in not taking a QB just because Barkley didn't hit some sort of "statistical success measurement."

"BUT LOOK AT THE DATA.....!!"




When the draft was over and the Giants had chosen Barkley over a QB, the "QB > RB" posters (myself included) were called whinny bitches, butt-hurt, snowflakes and various other names, whenever we tried to continue the discussion.

Now you're calling us out because we've "disappeared"???

You can't have it both ways.

The Giants made their choice. Why would we continue the debate weeks after the draft, when it will take at least a couple of years to determine whether or not the correct choice was made?


The lot of them were called whiny bitches because thats exactly how they were acting afterwards (I'm not saying you specifically, but in general). Prior to the draft, they were so adamant that they were right and anything else would be wrong. I even recall one poster saying how everyone would look so stupid when the Giants picked a QB over a RB.

When arrogance is humbled, oftentimes the result is "whiny, butt-hurt bitching." I did find some measure of satisfaction in seeing the meltdown, because they were making this place miserable prior to the pick.
RE: The Barkley bandwagon is trying really hard to have it both ways  
allstarjim : 5/15/2018 3:00 pm : link
In comment 13964570 Greg from LI said:
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On the one hand, he's the greatest running back prospect to ever grace a football field, a hybrid of Jim Brown and Barry Sanders only better, "touched by the hand of God" and assorted other silliness.

On the other hand, if you say you expect production commensurate with the hyperbole, his fan club sputters about how unfair the expectations are. Either he IS what his boosters say he is, or he isn't.


Said booster here. I expect that he will reach 2000 yard scrimmage seasons early in his career. As a reasonable expectation for his rookie season, what I expect is better numbers than a 1200 yard, 10 TD season. Would I be disappointed if he *only* has a 1200 yard, 10 TD season? No...those are extraordinary numbers for a rookie RB, and it would be a very good season to build upon. I think he is capable of much more, though. I also don't think the expectations are unfair. You were drafted number 2 overall, he knows how good he is. When it's time, I don't think pressures are going to get to him, I think he's going to play some great football.
RE: RE: Whatever Kay Adams says is correct  
Hades07 : 5/15/2018 3:00 pm : link
In comment 13964621 Bill L said:
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In comment 13964616 allstarjim said:


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She is definitely a contender for most beautiful woman on earth. Talk about being touched by the hand of God.

Well that's just great. God's gonna get fired because of MeToo
LMFAO!!!!
RE: RE: I can't wait for all of the QB > RB draft posters  
Brown Recluse : 5/15/2018 3:02 pm : link
In comment 13964607 Keith said:
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In comment 13964437 Brown Recluse said:


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(most of whome have for some reason disappeared after the draft ended) to come back after the season and tell us how they were right and the Giants were wrong in not taking a QB just because Barkley didn't hit some sort of "statistical success measurement."

"BUT LOOK AT THE DATA.....!!"




This post sucks on a few levels. First off, I was one who was pretty adamant about not drafting a RB at 2. I still feel like it was a bad decision. I haven't really mentioned it since the draft because:

A. I like to root for Giants players to succeed
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B. I don't want to keep harping on something that is over and I have no control over.

Have I disappeared??? Would you rather I continually post about why I think it's a bad idea? Also, just because the Giants ended up drafting a RB doesn't mean it was the right move. Time will tell.


Yeah you were pretty adamant about not drafting a RB, but you were also open to other options - so you don't really qualify.
RE: RE: Whatever Kay Adams says is correct  
allstarjim : 5/15/2018 3:05 pm : link
In comment 13964621 Bill L said:
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In comment 13964616 allstarjim said:


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She is definitely a contender for most beautiful woman on earth. Talk about being touched by the hand of God.

Well that's just great. God's gonna get fired because of MeToo



Haha. Who's going to fire God, though? Is it a triumvirate of Kanye, Charlie Sheen, and Alec Baldwin? "We are going to have to let you go, Lord." *Lightning Bolt* "You were saying?"
Needed to throw a "Hosanna"  
allstarjim : 5/15/2018 3:06 pm : link
on the end of that joke.
RE: RE: Whatever Kay Adams says is correct  
Jay in Toronto : 5/15/2018 3:06 pm : link
In comment 13964621 Bill L said:
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In comment 13964616 allstarjim said:


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She is definitely a contender for most beautiful woman on earth. Talk about being touched by the hand of God.

Well that's just great. God's gonna get fired because of MeToo


Nice job!!!
The bitterness displayed here in regards to Barkley being selected  
Britt in VA : 5/15/2018 3:07 pm : link
over a QB is something to behold.

It's like you guys are just waiting to pounce. It almost seems like you want him to fail because you'd rather be right than have the Giants do well or have Barkley succeed.
RE: RE: RE: I can't wait for all of the QB > RB draft posters  
allstarjim : 5/15/2018 3:09 pm : link
In comment 13964625 Brown Recluse said:
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In comment 13964518 Jim in Tampa said:


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In comment 13964437 Brown Recluse said:


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(most of whome have for some reason disappeared after the draft ended) to come back after the season and tell us how they were right and the Giants were wrong in not taking a QB just because Barkley didn't hit some sort of "statistical success measurement."

"BUT LOOK AT THE DATA.....!!"




When the draft was over and the Giants had chosen Barkley over a QB, the "QB > RB" posters (myself included) were called whinny bitches, butt-hurt, snowflakes and various other names, whenever we tried to continue the discussion.

Now you're calling us out because we've "disappeared"???

You can't have it both ways.

The Giants made their choice. Why would we continue the debate weeks after the draft, when it will take at least a couple of years to determine whether or not the correct choice was made?



The lot of them were called whiny bitches because thats exactly how they were acting afterwards (I'm not saying you specifically, but in general). Prior to the draft, they were so adamant that they were right and anything else would be wrong. I even recall one poster saying how everyone would look so stupid when the Giants picked a QB over a RB.

When arrogance is humbled, oftentimes the result is "whiny, butt-hurt bitching." I did find some measure of satisfaction in seeing the meltdown, because they were making this place miserable prior to the pick.


There was one poster who claimed that us Barkley supporters would look like fools because it was so obvious that you don't take a RB over this opportunity to take a QB, and that Gettleman is smarter than that. Then, when Barkley was taken..."Gettleman is not the man I thought he was." LMAO. It looks like he deleted his account.

BW in DC is still here, though. Good for you, BW. We are all rooting for the success of the franchise, and even though you weren't a big believer even in the talent, trust me, you are about to see why you were wrong here in about 4 months.
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allstarjim : 5/15/2018 3:17 pm : link
Of course  
mattyblue : 5/15/2018 3:19 pm : link
he is being overhyped. How could anyone possibly live up to the expectations that people gave the kid. I was firmly in the QB camp but of course want to see Saquon be incredible, itís just that I donít even know what he would have to do to meet generational, touches by God, Barry Sanders comparisons. I donít think you can even put a number on it. He needs to dominate games like Beckham or LT but even more of an impact.
RE: RE: The Barkley bandwagon is trying really hard to have it both ways  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/15/2018 3:20 pm : link
In comment 13964596 WillVAB said:
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In comment 13964570 Greg from LI said:


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On the one hand, he's the greatest running back prospect to ever grace a football field, a hybrid of Jim Brown and Barry Sanders only better, "touched by the hand of God" and assorted other silliness.

On the other hand, if you say you expect production commensurate with the hyperbole, his fan club sputters about how unfair the expectations are. Either he IS what his boosters say he is, or he isn't.



This is fair.

He was taken number 2 overall and is already paid like a top 5 RB. No excuses, he needs to produce as advertised.


100%. When the GM and head coach are talking this guy up as much as they are and he's picked where he was picked, of course there are going to be very high expectations. We've heard from the GM and head coach he is going to make the entire offense better. Even the defense, due to keeping them off the field.

Great. Now, we have to see it. There's nothing wrong with that.
Kay Adams: "Giants over-hyping Saquon Barkley"  
MarineMan : 5/15/2018 3:21 pm : link
IMHO I don't think he needs to by hyped up. He has his own

expectations and I believe he will put forth 100% effort to

help this team compete. That is all you can ask for. Sure

there is big expectations after what this team has been

through. It is not just one man it is a team effort.
Football isnt a stats game.  
mittenedman : 5/15/2018 3:26 pm : link
I expect him to be a dominant player.
RE: RE: RE: The Barkley bandwagon is trying really hard to have it both ways  
WillVAB : 5/15/2018 3:33 pm : link
In comment 13964662 Dave in Hoboken said:
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In comment 13964596 WillVAB said:


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In comment 13964570 Greg from LI said:


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On the one hand, he's the greatest running back prospect to ever grace a football field, a hybrid of Jim Brown and Barry Sanders only better, "touched by the hand of God" and assorted other silliness.

On the other hand, if you say you expect production commensurate with the hyperbole, his fan club sputters about how unfair the expectations are. Either he IS what his boosters say he is, or he isn't.



This is fair.

He was taken number 2 overall and is already paid like a top 5 RB. No excuses, he needs to produce as advertised.



100%. When the GM and head coach are talking this guy up as much as they are and he's picked where he was picked, of course there are going to be very high expectations. We've heard from the GM and head coach he is going to make the entire offense better. Even the defense, due to keeping them off the field.

Great. Now, we have to see it. There's nothing wrong with that.


Yep. People are giving Greg from LI shit but heís right. Barkley supporters canít move the bar once the season begins. The GM said you take a HoF caliber player 2 overall. Barkley has been hyped as a transcendent player. He needs to live up to those expectations or there will be scrutiny ó which would be completely fair in my opinion.
RE: The bitterness displayed here in regards to Barkley being selected  
Mr. Bungle : 5/15/2018 3:34 pm : link
In comment 13964645 Britt in VA said:
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over a QB is something to behold.

It's like you guys are just waiting to pounce. It almost seems like you want him to fail because you'd rather be right than have the Giants do well or have Barkley succeed.

It doesn't "almost seem" that way. It is exactly that.

What's even funnier is that no specific QB is even named as the one who should have been taken instead of Barkley. Just "a QB" should have been taken. So we don't even know if Sam "Turnovers" Darnold, Josh "The Concussion Kid" Rosen, or Josh "50-Something %" Allen is the one who should have been drafted to kick Eli to the curb. Safer to just wait and see which of the three turns out best and say, "Should have taken that guy!"

Not to mention that an intriguing QB prospect was taken in a later round by NYG. God forbid both Barkley AND Lauletta work out for the Giants! Worst-case scenario!
RE: RE: RE: RE: The Barkley bandwagon is trying really hard to have it both ways  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/15/2018 3:36 pm : link
In comment 13964678 WillVAB said:
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In comment 13964662 Dave in Hoboken said:


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In comment 13964596 WillVAB said:


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In comment 13964570 Greg from LI said:


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On the one hand, he's the greatest running back prospect to ever grace a football field, a hybrid of Jim Brown and Barry Sanders only better, "touched by the hand of God" and assorted other silliness.

On the other hand, if you say you expect production commensurate with the hyperbole, his fan club sputters about how unfair the expectations are. Either he IS what his boosters say he is, or he isn't.



This is fair.

He was taken number 2 overall and is already paid like a top 5 RB. No excuses, he needs to produce as advertised.



100%. When the GM and head coach are talking this guy up as much as they are and he's picked where he was picked, of course there are going to be very high expectations. We've heard from the GM and head coach he is going to make the entire offense better. Even the defense, due to keeping them off the field.

Great. Now, we have to see it. There's nothing wrong with that.



Yep. People are giving Greg from LI shit but heís right. Barkley supporters canít move the bar once the season begins. The GM said you take a HoF caliber player 2 overall. Barkley has been hyped as a transcendent player. He needs to live up to those expectations or there will be scrutiny ó which would be completely fair in my opinion.


The funniest part is someone calling out other Giants fans. The same people who when Eli got benched, claimed to be bigger Eli fans than Giants fans, and that he 'proud of it.'

Irony. Hypocrisy. We got it all today!
Barkley  
Dragon : 5/15/2018 3:37 pm : link
Will not change the outcome of more than 2 or 3 games this year this team will be learning just as he will. He has to rush for a 1000 yards the rest is all about how talented he really is. How about if teams stack the box can this team really control the line or complete passes?

OBJ is very talented but this team still seemed lost in more games then one should expect why we just donít know. Itís a team sport but we donít have many special players Barkley could be one but to as him to be really special in year number 1, seems very unfair. We took the HB he should get 1000 yards but if we had taken a QB he would have sat all year as planned.
Are Giants fans really mocking what was an under 20 year old QB  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/15/2018 3:37 pm : link
for committing TOs? Giants fans? Really???

Wow.
RE: RE: RE: RE: The Barkley bandwagon is trying really hard to have it both ways  
Mr. Bungle : 5/15/2018 3:39 pm : link
In comment 13964678 WillVAB said:
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Barkley supporters canít move the bar once the season begins. The GM said you take a HoF caliber player 2 overall. Barkley has been hyped as a transcendent player. He needs to live up to those expectations or there will be scrutiny ó which would be completely fair in my opinion.

The "Should Have Taken a QB at #2" crowd can't have it both ways, either. They need to specify which one out of Darnold, Rosen, and Allen should have been taken at #2. They can't just try to skate by with "a quarterback," because the Giants couldn't send "A Quarterback" on the card to the podium.

And then if that specific QB doesn't end up a Hall of Famer, they were wrong.

Works both ways.
Expectations on any player drafted #2 overall...  
GFAN52 : 5/15/2018 3:40 pm : link
are always going to be unrealistically high.
This might be news to you,  
Mr. Bungle : 5/15/2018 3:43 pm : link
but excessive turnovers are considered a "negative" in a QB prospect.

Pointing them out is "mocking"?

JFC.
RE: RE: Greg  
BMac : 5/15/2018 3:48 pm : link
In comment 13964328 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 13964309 ryanmkeane said:


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are you still going to hate Barkley now that he's a Giant?

You've mellowed considerably!



Are you still going to have your lips surgically attached to his ass if he is a fairly ordinary back?
RE: This might be news to you,  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/15/2018 3:50 pm : link
In comment 13964692 Mr. Bungle said:
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but excessive turnovers are considered a "negative" in a QB prospect.

Pointing them out is "mocking"?

JFC.


My post went directly over your head. I just found it funny that a 20 year old (and younger in his previous years) was being presented as someone the Giants (or anyone else) shouldn't have taken based on TOs committed at that young of an age when we've had a QB that's committed more than his fair share of TOs in his career and still managed to win 2 SBs earlier in his career. It's just...funny.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: The Barkley bandwagon is trying really hard to have it both ways  
WillVAB : 5/15/2018 3:50 pm : link
In comment 13964688 Mr. Bungle said:
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In comment 13964678 WillVAB said:


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Barkley supporters canít move the bar once the season begins. The GM said you take a HoF caliber player 2 overall. Barkley has been hyped as a transcendent player. He needs to live up to those expectations or there will be scrutiny ó which would be completely fair in my opinion.


The "Should Have Taken a QB at #2" crowd can't have it both ways, either. They need to specify which one out of Darnold, Rosen, and Allen should have been taken at #2. They can't just try to skate by with "a quarterback," because the Giants couldn't send "A Quarterback" on the card to the podium.

And then if that specific QB doesn't end up a Hall of Famer, they were wrong.

Works both ways.


A QB pick is completely irrelevant to this discussion. This is about Barkley and whether he will prove to be worth 2 overall. I wanted a trade down, but I hope Barkley is everything his supporters claim him to be. Heís a Giant now and the draft is over.

If he isnít clearly better than every other RB in this class, there will be scrutiny. If he isnít better than just about every RB in the league, there will be scrutiny. The GM and HC gave a hard sell to the fan base re: Barkley being a gold jacket guy and everything else. If he doesnít live up to those expectations, fair or not, the decision will be criticized and deservedly so.
Glad the Saquon Barkley police  
Chris684 : 5/15/2018 3:50 pm : link
are here to keep all of our expectations in check.

We definitely don't want to disappoint those heavy hitters Dave in Hoboken or Greg!!
Chris seems like a bit of a psycho..  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/15/2018 3:51 pm : link
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RE: RE: The bitterness displayed here in regards to Barkley being selected  
Jimmy Googs : 5/15/2018 3:53 pm : link
In comment 13964679 Mr. Bungle said:
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In comment 13964645 Britt in VA said:


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over a QB is something to behold.

It's like you guys are just waiting to pounce. It almost seems like you want him to fail because you'd rather be right than have the Giants do well or have Barkley succeed.


It doesn't "almost seem" that way. It is exactly that.



What?? Who is posting above and saying "exactly that" or intimating they want Barkley to fail because DG should have taken a QB?



He should be a bigger, faster , hopefully more durable version of  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 5/15/2018 3:55 pm : link
Dalvin Cook.

Cooks numbers in Shurmurs system last year:

4 games (before injury):
Cook is 5í10 / 215 (Barkley 5í11 / 230)
Rushing 74 ATT 354 Yards
Receiving 11 CAT 90 Yards

Extrapolated over 16 games:
296ATT 1416YDS
Receving 44 CT 360 YDS
TOTAL YDS from scrimmage:1776 YDS

I would anticipate the receiving yards to be better but this would be a good floor I think of what to expect if he plays all 16 games. The Vikes OL wasnt some conglomerate of probowlers and was similarly overhauled the offseason before.
I heard that a guy in Syracuse is touting him...  
BMac : 5/15/2018 3:59 pm : link
...for 2500 yards rushing and 1250 yards receiving. TDs will total 34. Says he's best player since the Giants snuck the Lambuth Special in under everyone's noses. Hell, he's almost as good as Sean Bennett!
RE: RE: RE: RE: The Barkley bandwagon is trying really hard to have it both ways  
Brown Recluse : 5/15/2018 4:03 pm : link
In comment 13964678 WillVAB said:
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Yep. People are giving Greg from LI shit but heís right.


Are you sure he's not getting shit because everything and everyone from Penn State is a pedophile by default?
After what we've had to  
Gman11 : 5/15/2018 4:05 pm : link
watch from the RB position over the last few years I'd be satisfied with a guy that can get a first down on third and one and maybe rush for a TD inside the ten.

Anything else is icing on the cake.
RE: After what we've had to  
Greg from LI : 5/15/2018 4:09 pm : link
In comment 13964720 Gman11 said:
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watch from the RB position over the last few years I'd be satisfied with a guy that can get a first down on third and one and maybe rush for a TD inside the ten.


Such a back is pretty easily found later on in the draft.
I think Barkley will be great right off the bat  
djm : 5/15/2018 4:23 pm : link
But Iím not necessarily expecting it. I also think some will probably overstate whatever shortcomings he has. Knowing the Giants aura Barkley will be underated and great at the same time.

Iím looking for the offense to produce first. Barkleyís numbers donít have to be amazing for his impact to be great. Thatís all we should ask for.
Barkley is the Bomb  
gidiefor : Mod : 5/15/2018 4:25 pm : link
it's going to be real exciting to have two generational type players on the Offense

Not many teams have this kind of opportunity -- I plan on enjoying every minute of it

GO GIANTS!!!!

Yeah Baby!!!
My expectation is simple:  
baadbill : 5/15/2018 4:37 pm : link
The eye test. I want to see him make some exciting plays and, after the last game, for me to believe, without any doubt or hesitation, that the Giants clearly made the right draft decision.

End of story.
Don't forget his likely impact on the rest of the roster  
VinegarPeppers : 5/15/2018 4:53 pm : link
It's massive. Forget his numbers. They'll be embedded in OBJs numbers, Sheps and Engrams and even Ellison's.

It's his overall impact on the offense that matters. Should be huge.
RE: RE: RE: I can't wait for all of the QB > RB draft posters  
EricJ : 5/15/2018 5:11 pm : link
In comment 13964593 Brown Recluse said:
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Moron? Haha. Anyway...

If you're still here then clearly you're not one of the people I'm referring to. There were a lot of posters that popped in a few months before the draft and banged their drum about QB over RB. They stuck around for a week or so after the draft to keep whining and then they disappeared.


I have been here for a while. Not going anywhere and not going to flip flop on what I believe is right without admitting that I was wrong. So, where we are now is that I truly hope I was wrong. I hope Barkley develops into a HOF running back for the Giants and that one of these two QBs on our roster are good enough to replace Eli and be a top 10 QB in the league.

Meanwhile, if there was an edit option in these threads, I would have removed the moron comment. Apologize for that.
The  
Toth029 : 5/15/2018 5:12 pm : link
Media can't stop talking about him.

It's not only the Giants overhyping him.
If anything,  
old man : 5/15/2018 5:13 pm : link
it's the media with the lovefest.
Though, in a rare moment, the media has it right.
He's Chuck Norris, only more so  
HomerJones45 : 5/15/2018 5:23 pm : link
Fournette 1040 yards in 13 games, 9 td's and 36 catches for 300 yards and a td.

Hunt, 1327 yards, 8td's, 53 catches 455 yards and 3 td's. (geez, did the Chiefs luck out getting that guy in the 3rd round).

Cook is an exercise in extrapolation as he only ran the ball 74 times. The Vikes were 2-2 with Cook playing. They lost one game with Murray as the starting back. It's a question as to whether the Vikings were better with Murray getting the carries.

SB needs to be in Fournette-Hunt territory as a second round pick to be considered a success.
correction  
HomerJones45 : 5/15/2018 5:28 pm : link
second overall pick
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