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Giants are not set up to win, now, but maybe next year!

George from PA : 5/15/2018 12:39 pm
I keep hearing about the Giants being a win NOW team. Solely, based on Eli's age, selecting Barkley and not selecting a QB @2, which makes little sense to me.

I suspect every team's goal is a win now, win tomorrow, win always. NE seems to be the only one who actually does it! I guess teams buy some time if they start a rookie QB....which I guess is WHY the media calls the Giants a win now team with Eli being 37. But.....

A New offense, new defense usually takes time. 4/5 new starters on the OL rarely produces great results right away(with the Giants any change will be an improvement). But I am excited about the 180' turn in direction that Shurmur and DG have created.

Shurmur's demeanor points to a competent HC.....Box Checked
DG has been reloading the roster to his liking.......Box Checked..
Removal of players that do not fit their plans........Box Checked
Support and re-enforcement for their aging QB....Box Checked
Build the Trenches, filling holes............................Pending

Rome can not be built in a day!, nor the Giants in one off-season. I feel they are fixing the culture, the attitudes and bringing back the winning tradition but can quantity fix the lack of quality among the DBs? has the rebuilding of the OL been completed? Will the limited amount of live practice limit their success?

It will be difficult to hit the ground running with such changeover without experiencing some growing pains.

Besides, another off-season will do wonders. Re-signing OBJ and Collins, not losing anyone of any importance. Have Eli regain his trust with the OL. Get a premium RT and 3rd Corner. Find that center-field FS. Let the offense get familiar and allow the defense gel one year

So, I believe the Giants are not a win NOW team but a win next year team!!!
I'd disagree with this..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 5/15/2018 12:42 pm : link
point pretty strongly:

Quote:
A New offense, new defense usually takes time. 4/5 new starters on the OL rarely produces great results right away


Just in the last year, we've seen Minny and the Rams revamp their OL. Also, the change to a new OC or DC often yields immediate results. We've seen hue leaps made by teams like the Seahawks or Falcons simply by having a new coordinator.

The Redskins implemented the Wildcat with RGIII and went from worst to first. That type of thing happens each year in the modern game.
You sure are checking a lot of boxes before any games are played  
UberAlias : 5/15/2018 12:48 pm : link
Maybe we should see how things go before we dust off the superbowl clock.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 5/15/2018 12:53 pm : link
The good news for the Giants is the rest of the NFL just isn't all that good. It's been that way for years now. Aside from the Patriots, there just aren't any dominant teams.

The bad news is that - on paper - the Giants look like a top heavy team with some very talented players but that quality quickly dissipates when you get to the middle of the roster. For example, we have an awesome starting CB and outside WR, but the drop off after that is extremely noticeable.

To me, much depends on Eli (can he get his mojo back) and Shurmur (can he inspire).
Not in this version of the NFL.  
Big Blue '56 : 5/15/2018 12:53 pm : link
Almost any team can go from doormat to strongly competitive in one year.
RE: I'd disagree with this..  
barens : 5/15/2018 12:55 pm : link
In comment 13964338 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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point pretty strongly:



Quote:


A New offense, new defense usually takes time. 4/5 new starters on the OL rarely produces great results right away



Just in the last year, we've seen Minny and the Rams revamp their OL. Also, the change to a new OC or DC often yields immediate results. We've seen hue leaps made by teams like the Seahawks or Falcons simply by having a new coordinator.

The Redskins implemented the Wildcat with RGIII and went from worst to first. That type of thing happens each year in the modern game.


I agree, I think waiting for our previous offensive line to gel really got us nowhere. It would be something to see this new group come in and become an immediate upgrade.
Depth will be an issue  
AnnapolisMike : 5/15/2018 1:00 pm : link
If the injury bug strikes....they are in trouble. Stay healthy and the starting 22 talent is pretty good.

Too many changes  
Beer Man : 5/15/2018 1:21 pm : link
and too many holes to fill this off-season. Ben & Jerry left this team as a train wreck. The team should see great improvement this year, but an SB run seems to be a big reach. Fans will have to be patient this year, as another strong off-season may still be needed.
1. All new coaching staff
2. New O
3. New D
4. O-line is improving, but still has a ways to go
5. Thin at CB
6. Thin at WR
7. After OV, the pass rush is a big question
2 year plan  
Giantslifer : 5/15/2018 1:25 pm : link
Giants have been bad for years, barely over .500 since SB.
last year was the wake up call, OL/DB/RB's are all below average.
It will take another good draft /FA and some luck . If the cards fall right I could see them challenging in 2019.
If Eli finally matures, and his TD/INT becomes something like 30+/10 -.
Who knows??
RE: ...  
Big_Blue_in_the_Bronx : 5/15/2018 1:28 pm : link
In comment 13964364 Eric from BBI said:
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The good news for the Giants is the rest of the NFL just isn't all that good. It's been that way for years now. Aside from the Patriots, there just aren't any dominant teams.

The bad news is that - on paper - the Giants look like a top heavy team with some very talented players but that quality quickly dissipates when you get to the middle of the roster. For example, we have an awesome starting CB and outside WR, but the drop off after that is extremely noticeable.

To me, much depends on Eli (can he get his mojo back) and Shurmur (can he inspire).


Many of the top teams arent too different from this. What separates them from the others is they have superior coaching. We have supposedly upgraded coaching significantly in all 3 phases. Along those same lines, our coaches will likely put our players in best position to succeed and now you've got a good recipe for success.
Eric’s point is correct  
BillT : 5/15/2018 1:29 pm : link
But it wouldn’t take much, given the top talent on both sides of the ball, for the Giants to do pretty well.

On D you have, Snacks, Tomlinson, Vernon, Ogletree, Jenkins and Collins. That’s six way better than average players. Only a few more guys stepping up and this could be a D like 2016.

The O is similar. OBJ, Barkley and Engram to go with a “second tier” of Eli, Shepard, Solder, Hernandez and Ellison. Wouldn’t take much more for this to a a pretty good unit.

I don’t know if those next guys are on this team. Can guys like Apple, Thompson, Martin, Carter, Mauro, Hill, Omameh, Flowers, Wheeler, Jones or Latimer be solid contributors. Who knows.
They have to win starting this year.  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/15/2018 1:39 pm : link
The GM and head coach have both said numerous times this offseason that the Giants are built to win *now*.
Yes teams can go from 6-10  
Doomster : 5/15/2018 1:47 pm : link
to 11-5.....

They can also go from 11-5 to 3-13.....

What Shurm and DG have to do, is try and fix one part of the team this year.....and then work on another part, the next year....

What can't happen is, we try to fix something this year and it's still broke next year....

What has Shurm done in the past? Well he was the HC of the Browns......did we sign him based on one year as OC for the Vikings? I hope not....

DG looks like he had a good draft.....he should....there was only one team drafting ahead of him in each round...in any draft, you usually get one good starter....sometimes you get two.....BBI thinks we got 5.....

I have no idea what these draft picks will do, until we see them play in the preseason....

To me, this team has tom show progress and start to create a winning attitude......

I'd like to think we are in just about every game, instead of our season being over before Halloween...

This team hit rock bottom last season, and the only way is up....

I think the defense is going to have growing problems, and the offense will have to carry the load, early on....but that only happens if this OL shows much improvement in the running and passing game...I hope Shurm is a HC can that make adjustments, something Mac had no clue of doing....

I think we see improvement this season, and agree with George, that next year we make our move....
George - i tend to agree with your themes  
Jimmy Googs : 5/15/2018 1:53 pm : link
that this will take more than 2018 for sure, particularly with the changeover on the offensive line as you mentioned. Hell, we don't even know who all the OL starters even are.

Winning more games this year doesn't mean they are a winning team. I think they can become a winning team in 2019 but extremely concerned how that plays out knowing the age/decline of play from Eli between now and then...
Won in 07,  
oldog : 5/15/2018 1:54 pm : link
won in 11, that adds up to.....18!!!!!.
Not  
oldog : 5/15/2018 1:55 pm : link
ready to win in 07 nor 11 either.
I kind of agree with George!  
wgenesis123 : 5/15/2018 1:55 pm : link
I don't see them in win now mode. Its more like lets see what we got mode. If the O-line can allow Barkley to be effective and give the defense a chance to keep the Giants in games, its lets see what Eli can do to win it in the 4th quarter. Will Eli manage this team or will he be able to win games for the Giants. This team still orbits around Eli. While everyone was asking what do we have in Webb, people were forgetting to ask what do we have in Eli. We don't really know! In Super Bowl 42 with an O-line and a running game and a great defense, it still all came down to Eli to win it. Shurmur and Barkley should make Eli's job easier this year, but he is 37 years old and this team is still on his shoulders.
RE: I'd disagree with this..  
5BowlsSoon : 5/15/2018 1:57 pm : link
In comment 13964338 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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point pretty strongly:



Quote:


A New offense, new defense usually takes time. 4/5 new starters on the OL rarely produces great results right away



Just in the last year, we've seen Minny and the Rams revamp their OL. Also, the change to a new OC or DC often yields immediate results. We've seen hue leaps made by teams like the Seahawks or Falcons simply by having a new coordinator.

The Redskins implemented the Wildcat with RGIII and went from worst to first. That type of thing happens each year in the modern game.


+1

I also do not agree with the premise of the OP. Obviously the author of this thread has a bias in that he wanted a qb instead of Barkley, so it seems to me he has an agenda that may not be unbiased. Nevertheless, he drew faulty conclusions.
Actually ifI remembercorrectly the OP was leaning towards trade down.  
wgenesis123 : 5/15/2018 2:16 pm : link
Don't see how any of that influences his opinions expressed here. Not everyone is sour grapes!
Lol. I wanted Barkley  
George from PA : 5/15/2018 2:29 pm : link
I am not claiming the Giants are winning a Super Bowl, either.

But maybe next year
I wanted a small trade down but still getting Barkley  
George from PA : 5/15/2018 2:32 pm : link
Figuring we needed another premium pick to get another corner.
Barkley is going to be a mind blower for us  
gtt350 : 5/15/2018 2:44 pm : link
in the best possible way. he changes everything
Every year takes on  
TrueBlue56 : 5/15/2018 3:09 pm : link
An identity of its own. I am encouraged a lot by what I have seen and heard so far from the coaches, gettleman and the players. The attitude has changed. The giants have a plan as to how to build this team and they are putting it in place. They are creating competition at every position.

I don't know what the results will be once the season starts, but I believe the giants will be very competitive and will be in most games. Is it too much to think we are somewhere in the 7-9 and 9-7 range? Maybe a bounce or 2 goes our way and we have 10 wins competing for the division or wild card.

To say anything about this team right now is just way too early. They haven't had training camp or preseason. They only had 1 OTA so far.



Giants  
Dragon : 5/15/2018 3:21 pm : link
Have to many questions without any real answers the list is just to long but here are just a few.
Is Eli still even close to being a top twenty NFL QB?
OBJ is he going to be the same player prior to injury?
Will all those breaks that went against us go our way this year?
Did we really have a good defense or was it what we saw last year?
Lots of high paid players but nothing special from them on the field?
The OL and DL how long to figure out who starts and for how long?
New coaching staff how will that work out as the losses pile up?
This is N.Y. losers will find it hard to survive no matter the causes.
Every team is in win now mode  
Gman11 : 5/15/2018 3:52 pm : link
There are no teams that are thinking, "Hey, let's just win a few games this year and then play better next year."

They will devise plans with the players they have to try to win as many games as they can. Some plans are great. Look at the improvement of the Rams. Some plans suck. See McAdoo's Giants.
RE: 2 year plan  
Gatorade Dunk : 5/15/2018 4:09 pm : link
In comment 13964409 Giantslifer said:
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Giants have been bad for years, barely over .500 since SB.
last year was the wake up call, OL/DB/RB's are all below average.
It will take another good draft /FA and some luck . If the cards fall right I could see them challenging in 2019.
If Eli finally matures, and his TD/INT becomes something like 30+/10 -.
Who knows??

Barely over .500? They're 42-54 (.438) since the Super Bowl.

And "if Eli finally matures"? He's 37. I'd say he's mature.
Giants are now a better team  
old man : 5/15/2018 4:10 pm : link
than last year's team, including the young additions; even before they run a game play.
It'll take a few games for them to solidify under a new set of systems and new players.
They are set up for > 3 Wins, possibly 6-7 . A couple of good games, right bounces, healthy, even more wins.
We all said it was a 2-3 year draft and FA to turn this team around.
Offseason 1 made great strides. We'll find out about the team as the games are played.
If the W-L early is 1-4 But becomes 4-6 after game 10 and 7-9/8-8 at seasons end and 'arrow up' ,we'll be attractive for FAs, and drafting 14-20 should get 2-3 more immediate starters.
Well be fine.
Seems like many of the people  
joeinpa : 5/15/2018 4:46 pm : link
Who wanted Barkley are hedging their bets.

Last week, Voicing an opinion that if Darnold becomes a star and Giants do not win with Eli, Webb or Lauletta, would show the Giants made a collosal blunder in this draft, got me labeled as a guy who was just looking for a reason to be angry, among other things.

Now when it is obvious from the owner down that within the organization this is viewed as a win now team, we read that even with a 37 year old quarterback on a two year contract, that the Giants are in a rebuild.

You can t spend two months arguing the Giants should build around Eli for another run, and then when you get your wish, state they are not a win now team. You can t have it both ways.

I was all in on Darnold, still think Giants might have made a mistake, but hoping I am wrong.

If I am , I will be first one to admit it. Drafting Barkley was the best move for the short term. That term begins this season.
Where I start is that this is NOT a 3-13 roster...  
VinegarPeppers : 5/15/2018 4:47 pm : link
...when healthy. With a normal injury situation I think they win 7-8 games last season.

When I look at the deficiencies I start with OL and WR on offense...both depleted by injuries deep into the roster. Then I look at our not having an adequate runningback..as if any but an absolute magician could have gained much behind that OL. It's only after all that stuff that I look to Eli and see a season where he just didn't have a chance.

We've dramatically improved the OL, we drafted an all world RB and our stellar WRs are coming back healthy. Depth will still be an issue.

Injuries also decimated the defense especially at LB and DB. We have better LBs now and if Eli Apple gets his head around and Gay has anything left.

RT is a concern, yes, but thats generally the strong side and whoever stars can get chip help from the TE.

10-6 this season. Is that enough for a playoff game. Who knows?!?
Minnesota. And the Rams are perfect examples  
George from PA : 5/15/2018 4:48 pm : link
As neither were ready to win it last year....both did a ton right..got close..but were just not ready to beat the more established teams.
If Darnold becomes this decades Brady  
George from PA : 5/15/2018 4:51 pm : link
And Barkely and the Giants never win it.

Then of course it was mistake.....

It's all about winning Super Bowls
RE: Minnesota. And the Rams are perfect examples  
chopperhatch : 5/15/2018 4:54 pm : link
In comment 13964768 George from PA said:
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As neither were ready to win it last year....both did a ton right..got close..but were just not ready to beat the more established teams.



Huh? Minny were heavy favorites and fell on their face against the Eagles and the Rams gotten beaten by a team that outplayed the eventual SB champs in their own building for the majority of that game.
I don't know.  
Beezer : 5/15/2018 5:42 pm : link
Considering that the team went 11-5 the year before, as well as many other factors being mentioned here, I really don't think anyone can predict what we will see. Sure, taking a stab, someone will be right. But it's a crap shoot. Like any other season, for any other team not named Patriots, it's a matter of things gelling, relative health, line play.

But we have linebackers with potential! WOO!!!
And come on ...  
Beezer : 5/15/2018 5:53 pm : link
As bad as the team played at times, the Giants lost to the Super Bowl champions by a combined 8 points in 2 games. One on a 60-what?-yard FG as time expired, the other by less than a touchdown at the end of a depleted season when the Eagles were getting ready to roll.

Maybe 11-5 wasn't as good as it seemed. But all things considered, perhaps 3-13 - with a few breaks (lost to the Bucs by 2, lost to the Chargers by 5, lost to the Raiders by a touchdown, the Lions game was a one-score contest going into the 4th, the Niners game was 17-13 at the half, and the first Redskins game was a 10-10 tie with under 4 minutes left.

As bad as things were, one or two plays in each of those games? Well, we don't have Barkley, BUT people wouldn't be moaning about the 3-13 mark. Might be more like 8-8.

So shaddup shuttin' up!
Chopperhatch  
George from PA : 5/15/2018 5:56 pm : link
Minn was lucky to beat NO.....your serve
RE: RE: 2 year plan  
Giantslifer : 5/15/2018 5:57 pm : link
In comment 13964723 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 13964409 Giantslifer said:


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Giants have been bad for years, barely over .500 since SB.
last year was the wake up call, OL/DB/RB's are all below average.
It will take another good draft /FA and some luck . If the cards fall right I could see them challenging in 2019.
If Eli finally matures, and his TD/INT becomes something like 30+/10 -.
Who knows??


Barely over .500? They're 42-54 (.438) since the Super Bowl.

And "if Eli finally matures"? He's 37. I'd say he's mature.


Really? see what happens when you try to give Giants the benefit of doubt.
By mature, I mean he stops making stupid rookie mistakes and develops into a QB who make the right decision . For example a 3/1 or better TD/INT ratio
That is why I say he has 2 years left... coincidentally the remainder of his contract
The schedule has less travel but  
George from PA : 5/15/2018 5:59 pm : link
Not too many easy games.....the start is going to be tough but the key
with a turnstyle at LT  
msh : 5/15/2018 7:15 pm : link
and virtually the entire WR decimated by the first qtr of the season,terrible and very predicatable offence,and a coach who kept going for it on 4th down, you cant really lay that on eli,mac/spags lost the defence this was the same situaton they were in prior to coughlins arrival where the defence was calling out the offence and pointing fingers

they won 3 games with team as they stood,add barkley worth 2 wins alone, overhaul the DL 1-2 more where they wore down late in games, and offence line upgrades adds 2 wins,beckham is worth 2 more wins easy in a full season,using engram/ellison better another win or two, even if you subtract a couple for the tougher schedule and growing pains from OL and DL needing time to gel,that puts them in the hunt for a playoff place 9 or 10 wins would not be a stretch
couple more and the division is a possibility

i think they still need another OL (maybe 2),another top level passrusher and next years draft is loaded on that front, ideally another shutdown CB (unless apple turns around and william gay has some return to past form),another WR a bigger outside guy in the plax mould 6-4/6-5 redzone threat but EVERY nfc team particularly has a weakness in some area so they could shock everyone ala 2007

that rag tag excuse for a team was robbed in both games against the eagles last year with a depleted roster they were never a 3-13 team talent wise but considering the players they got from that could be perfect storm to turn them around fast, or they could suck and end up 3 wins again and be picking top 5 again who knows until they hit the field but i like their chances ..on paper
It would seem George from PA assumes much  
G-crew18 : 5/15/2018 7:20 pm : link
Considering that no one knows the impact of HC Shummer directed team any opinion offered is just conjecture. The team which will be fielded this season is a facsimile of the previous recent teams. The talent level on the line of scrimmage has been greatly enhanced, so much so that there is a high probability that only Jones, Flowers and Wheeler may be the only holdovers from 2017 OLine. The DLine has many new additions creating a possibility of Harrison, Vernon, and Tomilson being the only members from the 2017 squad. The LB corps has been given a huge upgrade in talent with playmaking ability.

What clouds many's expectant outlook, is that the splash acquisitions of named talent have not been forthcoming in the secondary, nonetheless a huge influx of young prospect's has been added to the roster. Campbell, Hanley, and Davis all have a chance to stick. Overall the team speed has greatly improved, with the skill positions loaded with playmakers.

Therefore I would suggest that we wait until at least training camp to form opinions when we will have a larger sample size to make projections.
What?  
JerseyCityJoe : 5/15/2018 7:24 pm : link
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they were never a 3-13 team talent wise


Yeah talent wise they more of a 2-14 team.
RE: ...  
SGMen : 5/15/2018 8:24 pm : link
In comment 13964364 Eric from BBI said:
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The good news for the Giants is the rest of the NFL just isn't all that good. It's been that way for years now. Aside from the Patriots, there just aren't any dominant teams.

The bad news is that - on paper - the Giants look like a top heavy team with some very talented players but that quality quickly dissipates when you get to the middle of the roster. For example, we have an awesome starting CB and outside WR, but the drop off after that is extremely noticeable.

To me, much depends on Eli (can he get his mojo back) and Shurmur (can he inspire).
I think UFA has impacted teams quite a bit, leveling the playing field by making all teams susceptible to losing key players and not having backups to step in. You can be 12 - 4 then fall to 4 - 12 with some UFA losses & injuries.

I think if this team can stay healthy; be inspired by Shurmur and staff; and just win a few last play games rather than lose them all; well, we could be competitive. My guess is anywhere from 6 - 10 to 10-6.

Our schedule, on paper, does not look easy so the WINS may not be there even if the play is improved.

KEYS: Eli gets his mojo back; OBJ dominates; Engram dominates inside; OL gels; and, the defense creates pressure.
G crew  
George from PA : 5/15/2018 8:28 pm : link
I know McAdoo was a bad coach who lost the locker room and was a disaster.

I know Reese was never able to assemble a decent OL

Yes....I assume Shurmur will be better than McAdoo.

Yes....I assume DG is assembling a decent OL

Yes.....I assume the Giants arrow is pointing up
My guess is 2018 is a 6/7 win season  
The_Boss : 5/15/2018 9:11 pm : link
I’ll always believe until we get our next QB to match Dallas and (especially) Philadelphia, we’re likely looking at a bunch of third place finishes. My great fear is Wentz running the division like Rodgers, Ben, and Brady do. Meaning whenever he’s healthy, everyone else is playing for 2nd place.
The Giants  
aceinthehouse : 5/15/2018 9:17 pm : link
Aren't winning anything for a while. OP is correct...

Eli sucks something awful & Barkley isn't going to fix that. That's also assuming Barkley is the real deal, which isn't guaranteed.

The Eagles are still the team to beat in the East.

The Redskins could be the surprise challenger of the East with a winning QB in Alex Smith, stud RB in the making of Guice & a Defense that's going to put the hurtin' on people if they can stay healthy.

Dallas will struggle to win 8 games with the loss of Dez & Witten & Dak sucks about as bad as Eli.

The Nfc East will be between Eagles & Redskins.

Giants are probably looking at a 5-11 or 6-10 season. Could be worse.

Maybe next season...we'll see.

Redskins? I do not see it  
George from PA : 5/15/2018 9:31 pm : link
NfC East....is definitely the Eagles to lose...and I suspect only one team coming out of the NFC East
George from PA  
G-crew18 : 5/15/2018 11:46 pm : link
I am in agreement about the turn around of our favorite team, just wonder that we may be lowering our expectations. I believe that we may be in for a surprise transformation this season. The OLine and DLine, for example, may come together much faster than we anticipated. DG has been busy adding experienced vets along with good young prospects after the rookie minicamp. Another area some concern, the secondary, has received an infusion of young prospects with quality pedigree. The receiver corps is not devoid of talent beyond the OBJ and SS.

What I am getting at is, that I think we will actually contend this year. That given the talent and speed at our skill positions the O will complement the D in a manner that could lead to an unexpected run this season rather the wait till next. The Eagles may be loaded and talented but, they will be hard-pressed to defend against what the Giants will deploy on O this season, as will the rest of the league.

On D our opponents are going to be completely caught off guard because DC B's schemes will be on their maiden voyage and each week there will be changes unique to the opposing O that will be novel and unexpected. Also, I think that the talent of the front seven may be greater than was assembled in Arizona. I also expect our ST to be vastly improved.

So while I am in agreement with you on the prospects on the future, I believe that it may be closer than anticipated. I think we will witness a special season after enduring such a gut wrenching one.
RE: The Giants  
Knee of Theismann : 5/16/2018 12:21 am : link
In comment 13965071 aceinthehouse said:
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Aren't winning anything for a while. OP is correct...

Eli sucks something awful & Barkley isn't going to fix that. That's also assuming Barkley is the real deal, which isn't guaranteed.

The Eagles are still the team to beat in the East.

The Redskins could be the surprise challenger of the East with a winning QB in Alex Smith, stud RB in the making of Guice & a Defense that's going to put the hurtin' on people if they can stay healthy.

Dallas will struggle to win 8 games with the loss of Dez & Witten & Dak sucks about as bad as Eli.

The Nfc East will be between Eagles & Redskins.

Giants are probably looking at a 5-11 or 6-10 season. Could be worse.

Maybe next season...we'll see.


You just said Eli sucks but then said Alex Smith is a "winning QB"? Which one of those players has 2 super bowl MVPs?

"Maybe next season"... So I'm guessing you won't be watching this season then? And what do you say could change between now and next season that would give someone like you any cause for hope? We'll still have Eli as QB, or if not then it will be Webb, and I doubt you would have anything good to say about that, right?

Maybe we should just forfeit the next 5 seasons, pick first in every draft, and hope by 2023 we'll have the best team in the league.
RE: The Giants  
Knee of Theismann : 5/16/2018 12:24 am : link
In comment 13965071 aceinthehouse said:
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Aren't winning anything for a while. OP is correct...

Eli sucks something awful & Barkley isn't going to fix that. That's also assuming Barkley is the real deal, which isn't guaranteed.

The Eagles are still the team to beat in the East.

The Redskins could be the surprise challenger of the East with a winning QB in Alex Smith, stud RB in the making of Guice & a Defense that's going to put the hurtin' on people if they can stay healthy.

Dallas will struggle to win 8 games with the loss of Dez & Witten & Dak sucks about as bad as Eli.

The Nfc East will be between Eagles & Redskins.

Giants are probably looking at a 5-11 or 6-10 season. Could be worse.

Maybe next season...we'll see.


Oh, also... so Guice is already a stud RB, but whether or not Barkley is the real deal remains to be seen? Do you enjoy being a fan of this team at all with this attitude??
I love what the Giants have done so far...  
George from PA : 5/16/2018 5:50 am : link
I am even impressed with DG strategy with the DBs.....if you can't get a proven stud.....gather as many as possible and try to catch lighting in a bottle.

I think we would be asking too much, if we are expecting a Super Bowl run coming from 3-13. I get it...they won twice from 9-7 wild card and if you make the playoffs.... anything is possible.

But I at least now see an NFL OL forming....I still want a stud at center and RT, a proven 3rd wideout, another proven corner..and some depth.......does Jones, Wheeler, Latimor and one of the 15 DBs Excel? Sure, it's possible....

I am just saying, let's wait a year


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