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NFT: Robinson Cano busted for juicing?

dep026 : 5/15/2018 2:05 pm
Big thing being talked about at work right now.
80 games  
crackerjack465 : 5/15/2018 2:06 pm : link
https://nypost.com/2018/05/15/robinson-cano-suspended-for-peds-in-baseball-stunner/
Wow. Big if true.  
DennyInDenville : 5/15/2018 2:06 pm : link
Sad.
Wow  
mfsd : 5/15/2018 2:06 pm : link
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Sorry  
crackerjack465 : 5/15/2018 2:06 pm : link
here is the link
must have started once he signed with the Mariners  
Greg from LI : 5/15/2018 2:08 pm : link
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RE: must have started once he signed with the Mariners  
dep026 : 5/15/2018 2:09 pm : link
In comment 13964503 Greg from LI said:
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Nelson Cruz is not a good influence.
My memory sucks  
mitch300 : 5/15/2018 2:11 pm : link
wasn't their rumblings of him on PED's when he was with the Yankees.
Damn  
JoeMoney19 : 5/15/2018 2:12 pm : link
what a shame.

Probably ruins Seattle's chances of ending their playoff drought too.
RE: RE: must have started once he signed with the Mariners  
JoeMoney19 : 5/15/2018 2:14 pm : link
In comment 13964508 dep026 said:
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In comment 13964503 Greg from LI said:


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Nelson Cruz is not a good influence.

Definitely offering Stanozolol from a pez dispenser in that clubhouse.
Just read it was a diuretic  
Big Rick in FL : 5/15/2018 2:18 pm : link
For a medical issue. No clue how true it is.
Heís pretty clearly been juicing since his power surge at 26 years old  
TD : 5/15/2018 2:21 pm : link
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Don't these guys get it?  
DC Gmen Fan : 5/15/2018 2:23 pm : link
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RE: My memory sucks  
Mad Mike : 5/15/2018 2:24 pm : link
In comment 13964510 mitch300 said:
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wasn't their rumblings of him on PED's when he was with the Yankees.

Some tv sports anchor in NC or someplace created a bit of a twitter firestorm 6 or 7 years ago then when he posted on twitter that he heard a suspension for Cano was being announced that day. It never happened, his station forced him to post an apology, then fired him.
What the hell?  
EricJ : 5/15/2018 2:26 pm : link
Was it Carrots? Celery? Kale?
dissapointing  
Enzo : 5/15/2018 2:26 pm : link
He was on the fast track to the HOF. I guess he still might be if voter attitudes change by the time he's eligible. How is it he got 80 games? Isn't that for a second offense?
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 5/15/2018 2:29 pm : link
Didn't he break his hand the other day?
How does that 10 year contract look now?  
Stan in LA : 5/15/2018 2:30 pm : link
Yanks dodged a bullet not signing that lazy-jogging to first-bum.
Since he is on the DL  
mitch300 : 5/15/2018 2:30 pm : link
I assume the 80 days does not start until he is off the DL.
RE: ...  
mfsd : 5/15/2018 2:32 pm : link
In comment 13964550 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Didn't he break his hand the other day?


Yes. Makes me wonder if he was in an appeals process, and decided to drop it and start serving his suspension since heís out a month or two already now
RE: dissapointing  
Ace718 : 5/15/2018 2:35 pm : link
In comment 13964540 Enzo said:
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He was on the fast track to the HOF. I guess he still might be if voter attitudes change by the time he's eligible. How is it he got 80 games? Isn't that for a second offense?

Since 2014 it's been 80 games the first time. 162 the second time.
So h gets suspeneded after visiting the doctor  
The 12th Man : 5/15/2018 2:35 pm : link
he already knows he was going to be out for 10-12 weeks. Why fight it? Accept the punishment he wont be playing anyway.
RE: RE: ...  
mfsd : 5/15/2018 2:35 pm : link
In comment 13964555 mfsd said:
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In comment 13964550 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:


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Didn't he break his hand the other day?



Yes. Makes me wonder if he was in an appeals process, and decided to drop it and start serving his suspension since heís out a month or two already now


Actually, reading the story here, it sounds like he wasnít appealing
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Reportedly, his DL stint  
JoeMoney19 : 5/15/2018 2:40 pm : link
will count towards the 80 games. So no postseason but he'll be back in August. Tough situation for the Mariners.
This is really shocking  
arniefez : 5/15/2018 2:45 pm : link
now he can't go into the Pudge Rodriguez, Ortiz & Pujols clean players wing of the HOF.
Why no postseason?  
GMEN46 : 5/15/2018 2:56 pm : link
Is that with timing of having to be on a roster by Sept 1
Can someone explain  
JoeMoney19 : 5/15/2018 3:02 pm : link
why he gets to serve the suspension while on the DL? That's what's being reported but I don't get how that works.
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I am Ninja : 5/15/2018 3:11 pm : link
its not that he jogs to first or halfasses routine plays in thr field... no,no, its just that he makes it look so effortless!!
RE: Can someone explain  
Ron from Ninerland : 5/15/2018 3:13 pm : link
In comment 13964631 JoeMoney19 said:
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why he gets to serve the suspension while on the DL? That's what's being reported but I don't get how that works.
How it works is that he doesn't get paid during those 80 days.
I just hate the constant  
Essex : 5/15/2018 3:19 pm : link
I had it for a medical issue excuse. Just come clean, in more ways than one.
RE: Can someone explain  
BC Eagles94 : 5/15/2018 3:19 pm : link
In comment 13964631 JoeMoney19 said:
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why he gets to serve the suspension while on the DL? That's what's being reported but I don't get how that works.


The suspension is to punish the player, not the team. So whether he is on DL or not, it doesn't matter. Either way he'll be losing a half season's worth of pay, which in this case is over 11 million.
RE: Why no postseason?  
Mad Mike : 5/15/2018 3:25 pm : link
In comment 13964618 GMEN46 said:
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Is that with timing of having to be on a roster by Sept 1

All PED suspensions carry a post-season ban for that year.
Iím confident saying MLB has rampant PED use ...  
Boy Cord : 5/15/2018 4:10 pm : link
... on par with professional cycling. And, itís not limited to these two sports.
used  
spike : 5/15/2018 4:10 pm : link
the wrong sunscreen. Thats all
RE: What the hell?  
madgiantscow009 : 5/15/2018 4:12 pm : link
In comment 13964538 EricJ said:
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Was it Carrots? Celery? Kale?



it's only when they are combined it starts to be a problem.
RE: So h gets suspeneded after visiting the doctor  
chopperhatch : 5/15/2018 4:22 pm : link
In comment 13964559 The 12th Man said:
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he already knows he was going to be out for 10-12 weeks. Why fight it? Accept the punishment he wont be playing anyway.


Because he's losing 11 million bananas.
That's extremely disappointing.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/15/2018 5:03 pm : link
He was probably going to have a Yankees hat when he was inducted into the Hall of Fame and now making it to Cooperstown is "questionable" at best. His contract was already guaranteed and he was well on his way to the Hall of Fame... what a stupid way to sully a great career. Damn.
RE: That's extremely disappointing.  
Dave in PA : 5/15/2018 5:48 pm : link
In comment 13964778 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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He was probably going to have a Yankees hat when he was inducted into the Hall of Fame and now making it to Cooperstown is "questionable" at best. His contract was already guaranteed and he was well on his way to the Hall of Fame... what a stupid way to sully a great career. Damn.
weíll never know how great his career would have been up to this point without the PEDs though
Let's be honest here, Robbie Cano  
Jerry "Championship" Reese : 5/15/2018 5:50 pm : link
Was a skinny second baseman with a great batting average but no where near the power he miraculously discovered around the age of 26. He has probably been juicing for a very long time and just failed to cheat out the test this time for some reason or another. His power came out of no where imv.
RE: Let's be honest here, Robbie Cano  
Mad Mike : 5/15/2018 5:59 pm : link
In comment 13964817 Jerry "Championship" Reese said:
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Was a skinny second baseman with a great batting average but no where near the power he miraculously discovered around the age of 26. He has probably been juicing for a very long time and just failed to cheat out the test this time for some reason or another. His power came out of no where imv.

That's not really accurate at all. Yes, his power increased over time, but it hardly came out of nowhere. He hit 14 homers and slugged .460 as a 22 year old. At 24 he hit 19 and slugged .488. This "miracle" you speak of was a jump all the way to 25 and .520 at age 26 and 29 and .534 at age 27. Meaningful increases to be sure, but nothing unusual for players entering their mid 20's. His power progression is really quite natural and hardly matches the jumps we see with some obvious users.
Say it Ain't so Robbie Cano  
Stu11 : 5/15/2018 6:04 pm : link
Say it Ain't so! wow another DR player busted right after he came back from the off season in DR. Yea we know you were taking it for a case of the sniffles Robbie.
My guess is he used more advanced masking agent  
Jerry "Championship" Reese : 5/15/2018 7:40 pm : link
In the states, and didn't have access while in the DR so resorted to this banned substance.
Shermanís got a pretty reasonable take on it here  
mfsd : 5/15/2018 8:02 pm : link
We may not like to admit it, but itís fair to bring up how ARod, Melky and Cano were BFFs with the Yanks, even though that alone proves nothing.

The story also explains he tested positive for the diuretic (a banned masking agent) over the offseason. This didnít just happen, only that the union just dropped its appeal, so the suspension becomes public now

ďBut understand the process under the Joint Drug Program between MLB and the union: Cano was tested in the Dominican during the offseason. When a positive is shown for a banned diuretic/masking agent such as Furosemide, the case goes to the Independent Program Administrator Thomas Martin. His investigation determined Cano was using the diuretic to mask PED use. Then MLB investigated and found the same.Ē
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MLB let him get away with  
arniefez : 5/15/2018 9:06 pm : link
Biogenesis and now he's suspended 80 games when he goes on the 60 day DL. Interesting enforcement.
What a dope  
TheShade : 5/15/2018 9:55 pm : link
All the legal substances he had access to and he gets caught. Looks like he took a page from his buddy Melky's playbook there.
RE: RE: That's extremely disappointing.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/15/2018 11:47 pm : link
In comment 13964815 Dave in PA said:
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weíll never know how great his career would have been up to this point without the PEDs though


To be fair, his career followed a more "normal" path of a star as opposed to him putting up ridiculous numbers in his mid to late 30s like Bonds/Manny Ramirez/David Ortiz or completely out of the ordinary numbers at any point in his career. Even his power surge at the age of 33 is in line with many pre-steroid era Hall of Famers. Unfortunately, anyone who now wants to doubt his entire career is given license to.
RE: My guess is he used more advanced masking agent  
Matt M. : 5/16/2018 12:55 am : link
In comment 13964889 Jerry "Championship" Reese said:
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In the states, and didn't have access while in the DR so resorted to this banned substance.
Probably the opposite. It was supposedly stuff he was taking in the DR.
Wonder if Seattle wished they could void the contract  
xman : 5/16/2018 10:59 am : link
It would be bad PR for them but there is a breach maybe material and certainly bad faith behavior on Cano's part. Imagine the players who have pulled the wool over the owners eyes in seeking these massive contracts.

Wonder what Clubhouse lawyer Jansen has to say about players cheating the system in hopes of boosting their payday
I never remember Cano being "skinny". He was always a little pudgy  
Victor in CT : 5/16/2018 11:53 am : link
if anything. But the hitter I recall him being comapred to most as a young player was Rod Carew. Power was not expected.
Aside from the one poor year of his career, 2008  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2018 12:02 pm : link
He never slugged below .488 after his rookie season. His power spiked a bit in his late 20s because those are the prime seasons of a hitters' career, particularly 27-29. BTW, what else happened in his age 26 season? The Yankees moved into NYS, which was more of a launch pad for lefty hitters than the old stadium.
Sorry but that's a ridiculous loophole  
JoeMoney19 : 5/16/2018 12:28 pm : link
that his DL stint can count against the suspension. Makes zero sense.

At least the postseason rule has some ramifications.
A few thoughts  
Matt M. : 5/16/2018 12:51 pm : link
1) Is this really a surprise?
2) I don't like his excuse any more than I did the BS that Ortiz passed off.
3) If I'm not mistake, wasn't A-Rod's last suspension put on hold until after he was eligible to come off the DL? Or was that not technically a PED suspension, so subject to different rules?
Matt M,  
Jerry "Championship" Reese : 5/16/2018 2:25 pm : link
That's what I'm saying. I believe he probably has access to an undetectable masking agent in the states, but resorted to this in the Dominican republic. PED use is rampant and it's only when someone makes a dumb mistake that they're caught, imv.
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