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NFT: Yankees vs. Nats thread (plus Clint Frazier news)

Beer Man : 5/15/2018 2:22 pm
1. Tanaka vs.Gonzalez.

2. Clint Frazier could be seeing his first action tonight as he has been called up to the Yanks. Yanks want an additional player for the Nats series given they are playing in a NL park with no DH. No word on who is being sent down/out.
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Greg from LI...  
BC Eagles94 : 5/16/2018 12:31 pm : link
Don't even bother. Some people are just going to complain about the same thing. People that understand the Yanks and baseball better...know that Gardy isn't playing CF with a healthy Hicks (other than occasionally to give Hicks a rest). People that understand the Yanks and baseball better...also know that Frazier will not be playing CF for us. BUT this is an open forum with all types of people and fans. So this is what you get!

CF is a position where you can sacrifice some as a hitter. Hicks is a great fielder, has top-notch discipline and patience at the plate, and is a very good base runner. Not to mention his hitting may certainly come around with what we saw last year. Hicks will continue to play CF.
RE: Greg from LI...  
DennyInDenville : 5/16/2018 12:41 pm : link
In comment 13965629 BC Eagles94 said:
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Don't even bother. Some people are just going to complain about the same thing. People that understand the Yanks and baseball better...know that Gardy isn't playing CF with a healthy Hicks (other than occasionally to give Hicks a rest). People that understand the Yanks and baseball better...also know that Frazier will not be playing CF for us. BUT this is an open forum with all types of people and fans. So this is what you get!

CF is a position where you can sacrifice some as a hitter. Hicks is a great fielder, has top-notch discipline and patience at the plate, and is a very good base runner. Not to mention his hitting may certainly come around with what we saw last year. Hicks will continue to play CF.

Yankees spot started Judge a game in CF. Frazier has played many games in Cf for SWB

Imo, Frazier is gunning for Hicks and Gardys ABs.

Cashman is willing to trot Frazier out in CF 4 games a week I believe. If his bat is hitting and Hicks stays in the low .200s with low average power
Just FYI  
rich in DC : 5/16/2018 1:23 pm : link
After the big T-storms and heavy rain last night, it has been raining on and off all morning here in D.C.

The forecast is calling for more rain- and the possibility of more storms tonight.
Let's steal a win in the suspended game  
bceagle05 : 5/16/2018 1:26 pm : link
and get the Scherzer game postponed.
First of all, let's not pretend that Frazier is a sure thing as a  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2018 1:30 pm : link
hitter - .231/.268/.448 last season in 134 ABs. So, given that and his defensive deficiencies, I feel completely confident in saying that there's no way in hell they make him their starting centerfielder.

Maybe, just maybe, they might consider it IF Frazier hit like an animal AND they had outstanding OFs around him in left and right, but the first is unknown and the second isn't true with Stanton in left, who is merely average.
RE: First of all, let's not pretend that Frazier is a sure thing as a  
DennyInDenville : 5/16/2018 1:37 pm : link
In comment 13965717 Greg from LI said:
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hitter - .231/.268/.448 last season in 134 ABs. So, given that and his defensive deficiencies, I feel completely confident in saying that there's no way in hell they make him their starting centerfielder.

Maybe, just maybe, they might consider it IF Frazier hit like an animal AND they had outstanding OFs around him in left and right, but the first is unknown and the second isn't true with Stanton in left, who is merely average.

Definitely valid points and thoughts , I just know if Hicks doesn't start hitting and Frazier looks good they might give Frazier the bulk of ABs and maybe split the ABs in CF between Hicks / Gardner rotating staying fresh
RE: First of all, let's not pretend that Frazier is a sure thing as a  
rich in DC : 5/16/2018 2:52 pm : link
In comment 13965717 Greg from LI said:
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hitter - .231/.268/.448 last season in 134 ABs. So, given that and his defensive deficiencies, I feel completely confident in saying that there's no way in hell they make him their starting centerfielder.

Maybe, just maybe, they might consider it IF Frazier hit like an animal AND they had outstanding OFs around him in left and right, but the first is unknown and the second isn't true with Stanton in left, who is merely average.


Meaningless numbers in an abbreviated rookie season.

Aaron Judge hit .179/.263/.345 in 95 ABs in 2016. What did that means in regards to the rest of his career? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.
RE: Greg from LI...  
section125 : 5/16/2018 3:01 pm : link
In comment 13965629 BC Eagles94 said:
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Don't even bother. Some people are just going to complain about the same thing. People that understand the Yanks and baseball better...know that Gardy isn't playing CF with a healthy Hicks (other than occasionally to give Hicks a rest). People that understand the Yanks and baseball better...also know that Frazier will not be playing CF for us. BUT this is an open forum with all types of people and fans. So this is what you get!

CF is a position where you can sacrifice some as a hitter. Hicks is a great fielder, has top-notch discipline and patience at the plate, and is a very good base runner. Not to mention his hitting may certainly come around with what we saw last year. Hicks will continue to play CF.


Yeah, I agree with you..There is enough offense on this team to cover for Hicks at the plate, if necessary. He's good in the field and he does have almost Gardy good plate discipline. Great on base, too.
RE: RE: Greg from LI...  
BC Eagles94 : 5/16/2018 3:30 pm : link
In comment 13965647 DennyInDenville said:
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In comment 13965629 BC Eagles94 said:


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Don't even bother. Some people are just going to complain about the same thing. People that understand the Yanks and baseball better...know that Gardy isn't playing CF with a healthy Hicks (other than occasionally to give Hicks a rest). People that understand the Yanks and baseball better...also know that Frazier will not be playing CF for us. BUT this is an open forum with all types of people and fans. So this is what you get!

CF is a position where you can sacrifice some as a hitter. Hicks is a great fielder, has top-notch discipline and patience at the plate, and is a very good base runner. Not to mention his hitting may certainly come around with what we saw last year. Hicks will continue to play CF.


Yankees spot started Judge a game in CF. Frazier has played many games in Cf for SWB

Imo, Frazier is gunning for Hicks and Gardys ABs.

Cashman is willing to trot Frazier out in CF 4 games a week I believe. If his bat is hitting and Hicks stays in the low .200s with low average power


Wrong. In AAA, Frazier has played 91 games in the corners and 3 in CF.
Rich, do you think Judge's development curve is realistic  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2018 3:34 pm : link
for most players? Frazier also doesn't have anywhere near the power potential Judge always had.

He'll likely be a good player, and I like him, but I don't want him as the starting CF for the reasons I've already laid out.
the last year Frazier played the majority of his games in CF  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2018 3:38 pm : link
was 2015. Even before the Indians traded him, he was shifted to the corners. Since joining the Yankees, he played 3 games in CF in 2016, none in 2017, and 4 this year.
Both games for today have been postponed.  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/16/2018 3:58 pm : link
Both will be made up June 18th.
RE: Rich, do you think Judge's development curve is realistic  
rich in DC : 5/16/2018 4:38 pm : link
In comment 13965884 Greg from LI said:
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for most players? Frazier also doesn't have anywhere near the power potential Judge always had.

He'll likely be a good player, and I like him, but I don't want him as the starting CF for the reasons I've already laid out.


Doesn't have to be. Also not relevant.

However, your argument that Frazier isn't going to hit because he didn't hit in 125 ABs was patently ridiculous. Absolutism does not work in sports.

Frazier has skills that usually translate into power hitting corner OF in the majors. He wasn't ready last year- and it showed. Not the first or the last player who will do that.
I never said he won't hit  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2018 4:40 pm : link
I said he's not some kind of sure-thing to step right in and mash. There's a difference.
Forget the bat speed for a moment  
Bill2 : 5/16/2018 4:46 pm : link
Im having a tough time remembering anyone with that leg and hip imbalance having a long snd productive career against mlb pitching. Granted there are memorable unorthodox swings in mlb history ( Vlad, Yogi). I just think inside stuff is going to eat him up...bat speed notwithstanding
RE: Forget the bat speed for a moment  
section125 : 5/16/2018 5:55 pm : link
In comment 13966009 Bill2 said:
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Im having a tough time remembering anyone with that leg and hip imbalance having a long snd productive career against mlb pitching. Granted there are memorable unorthodox swings in mlb history ( Vlad, Yogi). I just think inside stuff is going to eat him up...bat speed notwithstanding



.....but, but it is legendary.
Chance Adams struck out 10 tonight in Scranton's win.  
Dave in Hoboken : 5/16/2018 9:54 pm : link
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I wonder if Adams could be a bullpen addition down the stretch  
Greg from LI : 5/16/2018 9:56 pm : link
It's what he did in college, after all. Could be a real boost, and quite honestly they don't seem to regard him as a frontline pitching prospect.
RE: Chance Adams struck out 10 tonight in Scranton's win.  
Beer Man : 5/17/2018 9:26 am : link
In comment 13966176 Dave in Hoboken said:
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This is his first really good game pitched this year. I want to see him pitch a few more before bringing him up. For some reason his velocity has been down, hopefully that has been corrected.
RE: RE: Chance Adams struck out 10 tonight in Scranton's win.  
rich in DC : 5/17/2018 9:51 am : link
In comment 13966341 Beer Man said:
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This is his first really good game pitched this year. I want to see him pitch a few more before bringing him up. For some reason his velocity has been down, hopefully that has been corrected.


He had surgery to remove bone chips from his pitching elbow. I suspect that he has been a little behind to start the season because he probably could not do a full off-season throwing program.

Whether there is more to it, I don't know.
RE: I wonder if Adams could be a bullpen addition down the stretch  
rich in DC : 5/17/2018 9:53 am : link
In comment 13966179 Greg from LI said:
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It's what he did in college, after all. Could be a real boost, and quite honestly they don't seem to regard him as a frontline pitching prospect.


From what I have read, he might be that rare guy who is more effective as a SP than as a reliever. He does throw in the mid-90s, but it is kinda straight- a lot like Tanaka's FB. However, Adams is a real 4 pitch guy- and those other pitches allow him to keep hitters off the FB- again, like Tanaka.

In the bullpen, he probably has to get down to 2, maybe 3 pitches- and it might be harder to keep hitters off the FB.
I think Gardner should platoon with Hicks in CF, and let Frazier get  
Jim in Hoboken : 5/17/2018 8:40 pm : link
some AB's in LF. Having him mash in AAA means nothing, let's see what we have in him up here. Let's face it, Gardner is a goner after this year, and Hicks has had exactly half a year of above average production, Fraizer may not be the answer at CF, but seeing him up here for half a year will certainly help to plan for the OF in the future.

Florial is off to an underwhelming start. And there is literally no other OF prospects worth mentioning at the moment.
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