Let's say Eli gets suspended 4 games for the game worn fiasco. Let's not argue if it will, could or should happen. For the sake of this argument , it happens. The Giants are 2-2 when he returns but Webb's 4th game was 300+ yards 3 tds 65% completion ratio and he looked good in a win vs the Saints at home. Does Eli start game 5? Why, why not?
you can say that again...
And there was video evidence of what Elliott did as well. And again, Elliott's was a criminal case, not a civil one.
Agree with all this, my only point was there is no requirement for any type of court decision (criminal or civil) for the NFL to suspend a player. I doubt Eli gets suspended, but hard to know what example the NFL will choose they want to make.
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Hypothetical, I get it will very likely not happen. For the sake of the discussion, believe it happens. If you need to, replace suspension with 4 week injury of your choice, would not want anyone to get bent out of shape over a FAKE suspension. If you don't want to play along, don't.
These hypothetical threads never go over well around here. These people are so emotionally wrapped in their preconceived notions that even a hypothetical that differs from their view causes them to get angry and dig their heels in.
Also, the reading comprehension leaves much to be desired.
Good luck.
At what record/point in the season would the Giants make a change from Eli if his performance is the same or worse than the last 2 years?
I say the bye week and the Giants need to have at least 3 wins. Jaguars,Cowboys, Texans, Saints, Panthers Eagles, Falcons, Redskins. They could go into the bye 2-6 if we are not much improved. I think 2-6 at the bye combined with mediocre QB play brings change. That said, I think we will 4-4 and Eli plays better.
If Webb is good then, well sorry Eli, I think we stick with the kid.
Some of the evidence presented by the claimant included a helmet represented by Eli as his "game-worn" that looked "like" the one worn in the game, but upon further inspection had clearly been doctored and was NOT the actual helmet worn in the game.
Then you have the damning text.
If Eli didn't mean what we all understand him to mean he had a chance to provide the counter-evidence to these very direct pieces of evidence. He said he was looking forward to doing so, explaining exactly what he meant in the text and clearing his name. He then paid good money to make sure he didn't have to do any explaining.
It will probably go away, but it might not. There is certainly direct evidence that's come to light that should be enough to suggest a suspension is in order. I'll bet fans of other teams (if they're paying attention) will be upset, but only if Eli plays very well. If Eli continues to struggle and the Giants aren't scoring 20+ ppg on a regular basis most people will be happy leaving him on the field.
Which is what they should have done last year, but McAdoo screwed that up royally because he was so enamored with Geno Freakin' Smith
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if it keeps the deplorable from getting into Canada, I’m all for it
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only when the playoffs are completely out of reach, and he in the minds of the coaches he is a significant contributor to that. I doubt anyone has seen enough of Webb, or has enough confidence in Webb, to believe he would give the Giants a better chance to win this year. The only reason to play him is to evaluate him when wins and losses no longer matter.
Which is what they should have done last year, but McAdoo screwed that up royally because he was so enamored with Geno Freakin' Smith
You're blaming the wrong man. Blame the other guy who got fired. He is the one who wanted Smith moreso than anything.
I agree with this and hopefully they don't wait for mathematical elimination like last year.
If we start 0-5 again, make a switch
And there was video evidence of what Elliott did as well. And again, Elliott's was a criminal case, not a civil one.
Eli paid for the problem to go away.
Big Ben was suspended after settling his civil lawsuit. Not that the crimes are remotely comparable, but the personal conduct policy says it doesn't need a conviction in any legal matters to suspend you.
At what record/point in the season would the Giants make a change from Eli if his performance is the same or worse than the last 2 years?
I say the bye week and the Giants need to have at least 3 wins. Jaguars,Cowboys, Texans, Saints, Panthers Eagles, Falcons, Redskins. They could go into the bye 2-6 if we are not much improved. I think 2-6 at the bye combined with mediocre QB play brings change. That said, I think we will 4-4 and Eli plays better.
Eli will Start every game until his contract is up. Remember, his last name is Manning.After Giants are eliminated from playoffs Giants will give Webb and Lauleta playing time . How much ? who knows.
Giants will give Eli every chance possible to go out on top in 2019.
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Cmon
Big Ben was suspended after settling his civil lawsuit. Not that the crimes are remotely comparable, but the personal conduct policy says it doesn't need a conviction in any legal matters to suspend you.
Yes, but his civil trials had to do with criminal acts. I see that as different.
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Cmon
Big Ben was suspended after settling his civil lawsuit. Not that the crimes are remotely comparable, but the personal conduct policy says it doesn't need a conviction in any legal matters to suspend you.
Yes, but his civil trials had to do with criminal acts. I see that as different.
Fraud is a criminal act
This would be a helluva a stretch to penalize Eli for what this really is - a good, old fashioned contractual dispute.
This is below littering in my book.
Manning defense team legal strategy:
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Cmon
Big Ben was suspended after settling his civil lawsuit. Not that the crimes are remotely comparable, but the personal conduct policy says it doesn't need a conviction in any legal matters to suspend you.
Yes, but his civil trials had to do with criminal acts. I see that as different.
Fraud is a criminal act
Yes I know that, but no criminal charges were filed against Eli. Ben R had multiple women make sexual assault allegations against him. Those complaints went to a civil trial, are we really comparing the two?
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Cmon
Big Ben was suspended after settling his civil lawsuit. Not that the crimes are remotely comparable, but the personal conduct policy says it doesn't need a conviction in any legal matters to suspend you.
Yes, but his civil trials had to do with criminal acts. I see that as different.
Fraud is a criminal act
No, from a litigator, this was a civil lawsuit. There are criminal fraud prosecutions brought by the government (i.e., U.S. Attorney or state attorney general or local district attorney's office) and civil fraud claims brought by private individuals. This was a civil fraud suit. Civil fraud lawsuits happen all the time in the absence of any criminal prosecution whatsoever. I have brought and defended several such civil fraud suits. There is no concern of criminal liability here. If the government were going to bring a criminal prosecution for this, they would have done so a long time ago.
I can't see Eli possibly being suspended for settling a civil suit of this sort. The Giants and John Mara are also defendants in the suit by the way.
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simply because the fans demand it. Giants fans are nostalgia hungry and don't give-up on their heroes. They long for that simpler time when a Giants QB could be strip sacked with a errant glance, screen passes have the success rate of a hail mary, immobility is a virtue, and the act of sliding to the turf is a change of possession.
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Probably Eli's most famous Eli moment