Been a good season so far. Really have no clue how they are going to end it, but I doubt anyone is riding off into the sunset. There are plenty of plot holes and inconsistencies...especially involving Stan who appears to be just now figuring it all out. But I just ignore them and enjoy it.
I do think Renee (Stan's girlfriend) is a spy and ends up killing him.
..and vice versa. I think Philip wants out, and sees Stan as an exit strategy.
Oleg has a part to play here as well.
Oleg has a part to play here as well.
Look at the resources they're committing to catching those residents. I don't doubt for a second they'd let one skate to put the screws to large parts of the operation.
I think if she gets caught she'll flip pretty easily.
I think the show ends with Elizabeth eating the cyanide pill.
And I think Henry turns on them all and asks Stan to be hus guardian.
And I think Henry turns on them all and asks Stan to be hus guardian.
He did throw it away, but when Elizabeth took the duffel bag stuffed with the dismembered body parts and threw it in the river they showed her kneel down and do something which I assumed was open the bag, they didn't show it but I think it was implied she took the pendant with the locket/pill back out of the bag. I think Phillip saw her doing something in the rearview and concluded she had done that.
So some speculation, but IMO Elizabeth still has the locket with the pill and Phillip knows she does.
And I think Henry turns on them all and asks Stan to be hus guardian.
Does Henry actually know anything, though? Or do you think he founds out and rats them all out?
I think Henry's purpose has been served, they used him to throw more blatant suspicion on Phillip and Elizabeth to Stan.
I wouldn't be surprised if we don't see Henry again.
Though, you never know.
You know who I'd like to see a return appearance of? Sandra Beeman. Milfalicious.
You know who I'd like to see a return appearance of? Sandra Beeman. Milfalicious.
I thought that set up Stan nicely, but then it turned out to be nothing. Meanwhile, dopey Henry hasn't figured out one bit of it.
I think the show might end with Stan getting killed by Renee (who's undercover), Henry finding out the connection and ratting his parents out (like Walt Jr.), and the Jennings having to return to Russia like Martha did via a plane in the middle of the night. They'll leave both kids behind even though Paige wants to go with them and Henry is disgusted by them.
Now, forget the fact they're travel agents, why would they possibly both have to go to Houston to meet with an angry customer due to some travel issue, but forget that for a minute.
Even in the mid-80's I have to believe the FBI had near real time if not actually real time access to flight manifests and he could have easily checked to see
a) Did Philip and Elizabeth Jennings actually fly to Houston on or around thanksgiving
b) Were they actually in Chicago when their target was lost and subsequently killed
C) if they flew under aliases there would be no record of Philip or Elizabeth Jennings traveling anywhere
all but A would set off red flags and we know A won't check out to be true
2. Liz deserves the same fate as Walter White
3. Paige locked up sounds good to me too
4. Stan lives and.........gets to take care of Henry since he was more of a father to him than Philip
5. Philip was going to cop a deal but ultimately gets killed by Stan’s gf
6. Martha is happy and has a child or two in the Mother Country
7. The heavy set handler is exposed and flogged......
- I thought the pill Phillip threw away was either the woman's or the guy they were trying to get out. Definitely not Liz's.
-they are making too big of a deal about the pill to not have Liz or maybe even Phillip swallow it in the end.
-I do think there's a good chance Phil doesn't make it, and yes its obvious Stan's woman is a plant especially with her wanting to worm her way in the bureau any way possible.
-I agree Greg, Paige is a traitor bitch who's either getting killed or flipped. She's in way over her head.
-Stan is on to them big time. I think it clicked in his mind about while driving with Henry and he realized the timing of him getting back from that big op in Philly and them not being there at home when he got back. I agree PJ that it should be easy for him to get info on the flight manifests and prove they didn't go to Houston. He's starting to realize that they disappear when his dept run big ops, what was the Philly op? I forget. I had something to do with Gregory no?
-There's still a lot left here to play out with involving Burov.
-One thing that has been consistent about the show is that if they don't kill a big character off we see them again, even if it takes years so I'm betting we get a bit of Martha. Would be an interesting way to end it with Phil back in Russia bumping into her.
-one way I see them going is Henry pulling what that son of the mirror family/agents pulled a few seasons back when he brutally murdered the whole family. Only he did it out of loyalty to the Russians maybe Henry doesn't go full on kill mode but he turns them into Stan?
- last but no least, still trying to decide what gets me more turned on- Wendy Rhoades or Liz going into full on blonde honeypot mode like what she's doing with the Sam Nunn intern...
I think someone dies tonight....My guess is Stan.
I can see him fleeing somewhere if forced to by either the Russians or Americans, but I don't see him willingly going back to Russia.
I can see him fleeing somewhere if forced to by either the Russians or Americans, but I don't see him willingly going back to Russia.
Yep Phil has been in conflict since right off the bat in the pilot when he begged Liz to defect. With the flasbacks to his youth you see how damaged he is from that upbringing in poverty and squalor. The Center was a way out for him and now the conflict is that now that he has found inner peace in America he's conflicted because of all years of service and being married to Liz who's been full on dedicated since day one. Liz is definitely going down with the ship. They have given her 100 times to doubt her dedication over the years and she has always been steadfast. She hates the US and is 100% loyal to the cause.
I’m now starting to come over to this line of thinking.....Philip will do ANYTHING for his family. He said that last night. He may be the sacrifice and somehow Liz gets to escape being caught and or death.
I would be shocked to see Stan taken out though, even though he is dating a Russian spy too. But, I do believe she will serve a “significant” purpose somehow......to possibly even kill of Philip and Liz, rather than Stan. Don’t forget, she now has a chance to work in the FBI so I don’t believe she wants to lose that cover. Killing Stan might bring suspicion to her.
Seriously, that seemed a bit gratuitous. I get the chopping off hands and heads to avoid identification, but was this whole sequence really necessary?
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My bet is Phillip gets caught and makes a deal to save his daughter. His wife makes it back to Russia.
I’m now starting to come over to this line of thinking.....Philip will do ANYTHING for his family. He said that last night. He may be the sacrifice and somehow Liz gets to escape being caught and or death.
I would be shocked to see Stan taken out though, even though he is dating a Russian spy too. But, I do believe she will serve a “significant” purpose somehow......to possibly even kill of Philip and Liz, rather than Stan. Don’t forget, she now has a chance to work in the FBI so I don’t believe she wants to lose that cover. Killing Stan might bring suspicion to her.
I feel like Stan gets the ax and she remains in the FBI, even after Elizabeth and Philip are gone (in whatever manner they're either killed or displaced). Sort of a continuity play, even with a victory there's an ongoing battle.
Maybe I'm reading too much into all that, but seems to me like a guy getting his affairs in order.
"you were honest with me" LOL.
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I got a good laugh out of the letdown when Gregory's old partner tells Stan "I have something for you" and then gives him the invaluable gift of a Roy Rogers combo meal.
"you were honest with me" LOL.
Lol yea that was great. Good catch there Greg on there Phillip getting affairs in order. Interesting to see after all these years we see a slight crack in Liz. We've found that there is a bridge too far for her. Interesting that both Liz and Phil ran into the same moment last night- where they were made,Liz with the Nun intern and Phil with Stavros where you could see them have the same reaction- " I just can't keep up with killing every loose end"
I think pjcas had it right in the first post...some sort of climax where Renee is about to kill Stan as he tracks them but Phillip ends up killing Renee to save Stan. Probably some sort of bang bang scene where Phillip appears to be shooting at Stan, Stan shoots Phillip out of reflex but Phillip was actually saving Stan from Renee.
I used to think that she might be a CIA plant to keep tabs on FBI CI agents, but again, why would she have stayed with Stan for years while he worked ordinary criminal cases?
Not that it won't happen, but that would be a real stretch. Now - girlfriend? Sure thing. Deep cover, full time live in? Just seems like too much could go wrong.
The Russians on the other hand - even Philip seems to think she's one of theirs. Would they take the chance? I don't see why not, when they're willing to sign up Paige with a job at the State Department.
So, does Pastor Tim spill the beans when Stan calls?
He's former CI, so he's got friends and contacts in that area. Could also be a twofer - monitor Philip and Liz while getting what they can from Stan.
Also - didn't Stan transfer after he started dating her?
I wouldn't be surprised either way.
for being the 3rd to last episode ever they slow played it.
All we really learned was:
1. Elizabeth still has the cyanide pill
2. Elizabeth has developed a conscious. Seems almost out of character for her to let Jackson live and to decide removing Gorbachev wasn't for the good of the party - she seemed like an order taker most of the series, not someone who thinks too much.
3. Most of the employees at the travel agency probably knew it wasn't just a travel agency.
4. Stan is possibly a step closer to earnestly suspecting Elizabeth and Phillip.
Anything else?
There was some conversation about finding out if the Jennings actually flew to Houston, but that would likely require a warrant which Stan is not yet prepared to get yet. Stan is not blowing the whistle until he is sure.
The Jennings are kind of on the same side now...you could see a scenario in which they go to the FBI to let them know about the plot against Gorbachev. They don't seem to be caring about loose ends at this point.
not sure though. and it's part of an investigation, not like checking cell phone records (in today's equivalent).
These are small plot holes, though. The bigger ones - like the fact that these 'travel agents' have been suspiciously leaving their kids alone for days on end and disappear in the middle of the night, not being noticed by an FBI counterintelligence agent for a decade, seem to be the best place to start.
The flight manifest I only brought up b/c if I were Stan that's the first thing I'd check (to see a) if they were in Houston, b) if they were in Chicago and c) if they don't show up on a manifest at all) the answer would give him a lot of information without getting much information if you know what I mean.
So, yeah, small hole relatively speaking, but an obvious one.
There was some conversation about finding out if the Jennings actually flew to Houston, but that would likely require a warrant which Stan is not yet prepared to get yet. Stan is not blowing the whistle until he is sure.
The Jennings are kind of on the same side now...you could see a scenario in which they go to the FBI to let them know about the plot against Gorbachev. They don't seem to be caring about loose ends at this point.
I believe I read someplace that the old KGB never had any personnel problems because they practically got whatever and whoever they wanted. Their operations had a lot of moving parts, they were highly compartmentalized, and they were very disciplined (or else). So I kind of feel them putting one agent on over-watch on another couple of agents one of whom they may have felt had the potential as a defector wouldn't be that out of line from what I read. Anyhow who knows.
The craziest thing that happened in last night's ep was Stavros admitting that he knew something was up with the Jennings. Between Phillip letting that go and Elizabeth letting the kid go, the Jennings are losing their "touch" and that could possibly lead to them getting caught.
I can't quite put my finger on why Phillip would be buying a new suit.
He just came clean with his deceit to Elizabeth, he told Stavros he's in financial ruin, he is fed up with shit like in Chicago having to chop off someone's hands and head, so it's a human (or definitely American) reaction to depression to shop to soothe yourself. Spend money you don't have because you can.
Maybe a stretch but the place I read it quoted one of the writers.
2. Elizabeth has developed a conscious. Seems almost out of character for her to let Jackson live and to decide removing Gorbachev wasn't for the good of the party - she seemed like an order taker most of the series, not someone who thinks too much.
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I kind of thought that her refusal to execute that assignment was her way of saying I am not a serial killer, I am an agent for my party and country (she really means just country but is capable of lying to herself). Plus she probably figured out it was a bogus assignment (which she's probably taken into consideration the information she's heard from Philip). She probably should be nervous about getting involved with somebodies non-official political agenda. I believe Russian history is rife with people ending up on the short end of the stick because they didn't look before the leapt and ended as fall guys.
Just a hunch