He went out and brought in a GM who has publicly said he has seen no drop off in Eli's arm or talent.
He went out and brought in an offensive minded coach , who has done wonders for other QB's , and has publicly said Eli has years left.
He used the 2nd overall pick in the entire draft to bring in Barkley , the most explosive RB in over a decade.
He used the 34th overall pick in the draft to bring in Hernandez , who may be the 2nd best guard in the entire draft.
He went out and signed , in fact overspent for the best LT in free agency , Solder.
He has what many consider to be one of the best WR's in the game , Beckham at age 25 coming back.
He has last years 1st rd pick Engram at TE , and an emerging star , lining up again for him.
He has Shepard , a 2nd rd pick at WR , who if he played a full 16 game season , would have put up a 1,000 yard season.
He also has a decent backup RB in Gallman , to spell Barkley from time to time.
Eli should be very grateful at 37 , that he has an owner who believes this much in him , considering how bad last year was.
Personally after comparing Eli's tape from 2004 to 2017 , it seems he hasn't lost too much on arm strength.
However I have seen a decline in his mobility , compared to 2004 , he is much slower , in fact very slow.
Mara has given Eli virtually everything he can to succeed.
It is now up to Eli to come through for his owner , team , and fans , and play QB at a championship level.
The question is will he?
We will have to wait and see
But I think I'm with Mr. Mara , Dg, and Pat, let's go get another ring for Eli!
I still believe in Eli.
His play in GB in 2016 playoffs was elite , Elite. His WRs simply didn't show up but his throws were sharp as ever
I say delete, rewatch Dead Poets Society and go back to the drawing board. We expect more out of you.
putting up with the terrible drafting and generally poor decision making since Super Bowl XLVI
and
for hiring Mc*d** as head coach.
Eli is still owed more.
If you believe in that plan, then Jints Central have executed it to a tee.
So I agree - Manning has a fridge full of food. And there really shouldn't be any excuses.
If you believe in that plan, then Jints Central have executed it to a tee.
So I agree - Manning has a fridge full of food. And there really shouldn't be any excuses.
BW: We are lockstep in this; we have been since before the draft. Frankly, I don't believe Gettleman or Shurmur believe Eli has four or five years left. They may believe he has two years left, but I refuse to believe that any individual qualified to coach or GM a team can actually look at the film and say that Manning has years left. I mean, any layman can tell that his play has been garbage the last two years, and that is not all due to people not named Manning.
I think Mara wants to send Eli off with a better goodbye. I think DSG was deathly afraid to make his first pick the QB who replaced Eli, especially after he saw the vitriol spilled after Manning's streak ended. And if DSG really believed that Eli was the elite player he was years ago, he wouldn't have picked Lauletta in round 4.
This is all about one simple thing: Eli is now out of excuses. He's gotten a new LT in Solder, a new LG, and a new RG. So he has 3/5 of a new offensive line. He has Beckham back. He has the best RB prospect - possibly ever - to come out. He has Engram entering his second season. He has a QB whisperer as coach - the same guy who took Case Keenum and coaxed a 22 TD, 7 INT season out of the guy.
So, one of two things will happen: 1) Eli will continue his regression, be out of excuses, and DSG can move on to a young QB (not a retread like Smith) with no repercussions; or 2) Eli will rebound significantly, and if he rebounds enough, we could make a run, and DSG gets to go, I told you so. But if Eli is regressing, and we passed on a QB at the top of this draft (and one hits), he really screwed us unless we hit the lottery with Lauletta or Webb, which remains exceedingly unlikely based on sheer odds.
This ability that some posters believe they have of being able to perceive what a pro football GM is factoring during the course of making decisions that they are paid HUGE money to make is so fucking dumb that I find it adorable.
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was going to be the plan after co-GMs Accorsi and Gettleman said they thought Manning still had plenty left in the fuel tank. No surprises to me.
If you believe in that plan, then Jints Central have executed it to a tee.
So I agree - Manning has a fridge full of food. And there really shouldn't be any excuses.
BW: We are lockstep in this; we have been since before the draft. Frankly, I don't believe Gettleman or Shurmur believe Eli has four or five years left. They may believe he has two years left, but I refuse to believe that any individual qualified to coach or GM a team can actually look at the film and say that Manning has years left. I mean, any layman can tell that his play has been garbage the last two years, and that is not all due to people not named Manning.
I think Mara wants to send Eli off with a better goodbye. I think DSG was deathly afraid to make his first pick the QB who replaced Eli, especially after he saw the vitriol spilled after Manning's streak ended. And if DSG really believed that Eli was the elite player he was years ago, he wouldn't have picked Lauletta in round 4.
This is all about one simple thing: Eli is now out of excuses. He's gotten a new LT in Solder, a new LG, and a new RG. So he has 3/5 of a new offensive line. He has Beckham back. He has the best RB prospect - possibly ever - to come out. He has Engram entering his second season. He has a QB whisperer as coach - the same guy who took Case Keenum and coaxed a 22 TD, 7 INT season out of the guy.
So, one of two things will happen: 1) Eli will continue his regression, be out of excuses, and DSG can move on to a young QB (not a retread like Smith) with no repercussions; or 2) Eli will rebound significantly, and if he rebounds enough, we could make a run, and DSG gets to go, I told you so. But if Eli is regressing, and we passed on a QB at the top of this draft (and one hits), he really screwed us unless we hit the lottery with Lauletta or Webb, which remains exceedingly unlikely based on sheer odds.
In 2016 Eli threw for 4000+ yards, 63% completion, 26 TDs, 16 INTs, 86.0 rating. I don't call that "garbage". It's not pro bowl worthy, but it's decent. He also performed pretty decently in the playoff game in Green Bay, but his receivers all played like shit.
2014 and 2015: he threw for combined almost 9000 yards, 65 TDs, 28 INTs, 93.0 rating.
Last year he had literally no o-line and no receivers and no running game. I doubt in a span of just two years he's become a completely different player than he was in 2014 and 2015. With Eli it is a lot about confidence: he needs to know he has time to throw and he needs a running game. When he has those things he has what it takes to win. Jerry Reese knew nothing about building an o-line, his two super bowls were mostly won with o-linemen he himself had nothing to do with. Now we have a GM who knows what he's doing when it comes to o-line. I refuse to give up on Eli based on one season of shitty stats where he had literally zero help around him.
This ability that some posters believe they have of being able to perceive what a pro football GM is factoring during the course of making decisions that they are paid HUGE money to make is so fucking dumb that I find it adorable.
How much is HUGE money? How much does Dave Gettleman make?
I don't disagree with your overall point, but I don't think DG's pay grade (especially since it's never been published) is relevant. And I kind of think the purpose of a message board is to discuss opinions, even if they're dissenting (as long as they're informed and researched).
If anyone owes Eli anything, it's Reese who never was able to rebuild the OL that Ernie built..7 years by my count.
Arm strength is good, release is good, yadda yadda yadda.
The one thing that has been Eli's biggest issue in his down years is his O-Line; if his O-line has been injured or sub par his play drops. What I mean, is the O-Line's performance has dictated his play.
It's almost like he gets the Yips when the O-Line is not playing well or isn't a good unit -- he's only done well when he's been CONFIDENT in the guys in front of him!
So if this rebuilt O-Line is good, we very well might see him make a comeback.
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Has shown that he doesnt give a single shit what lay people and people within the game think. The idea that DG was "afraid to draft Eli's replacement" his so hilariously ridiculous to consider.
This ability that some posters believe they have of being able to perceive what a pro football GM is factoring during the course of making decisions that they are paid HUGE money to make is so fucking dumb that I find it adorable.
How much is HUGE money? How much does Dave Gettleman make?
I don't disagree with your overall point, but I don't think DG's pay grade (especially since it's never been published) is relevant. And I kind of think the purpose of a message board is to discuss opinions, even if they're dissenting (as long as they're informed and researched).
Dunk, I meant HUGE relative to what most people are paid...Or even non NFL/pro sport General Managers. I was trying to illustrate that he is paid very well for his expertise in assembling a football team and that his ability to judge talent, not the fear of pissing off fans, is what made him decide not to go QB this year.
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was going to be the plan after co-GMs Accorsi and Gettleman said they thought Manning still had plenty left in the fuel tank. No surprises to me.
If you believe in that plan, then Jints Central have executed it to a tee.
So I agree - Manning has a fridge full of food. And there really shouldn't be any excuses.
BW: We are lockstep in this; we have been since before the draft. Frankly, I don't believe Gettleman or Shurmur believe Eli has four or five years left. They may believe he has two years left, but I refuse to believe that any individual qualified to coach or GM a team can actually look at the film and say that Manning has years left. I mean, any layman can tell that his play has been garbage the last two years, and that is not all due to people not named Manning.
I think Mara wants to send Eli off with a better goodbye. I think DSG was deathly afraid to make his first pick the QB who replaced Eli, especially after he saw the vitriol spilled after Manning's streak ended. And if DSG really believed that Eli was the elite player he was years ago, he wouldn't have picked Lauletta in round 4.
This is all about one simple thing: Eli is now out of excuses. He's gotten a new LT in Solder, a new LG, and a new RG. So he has 3/5 of a new offensive line. He has Beckham back. He has the best RB prospect - possibly ever - to come out. He has Engram entering his second season. He has a QB whisperer as coach - the same guy who took Case Keenum and coaxed a 22 TD, 7 INT season out of the guy.
So, one of two things will happen: 1) Eli will continue his regression, be out of excuses, and DSG can move on to a young QB (not a retread like Smith) with no repercussions; or 2) Eli will rebound significantly, and if he rebounds enough, we could make a run, and DSG gets to go, I told you so. But if Eli is regressing, and we passed on a QB at the top of this draft (and one hits), he really screwed us unless we hit the lottery with Lauletta or Webb, which remains exceedingly unlikely based on sheer odds.
Wow I'll tell you some people really do live in a fucking fantasy world...ok and keep being in lockstep with bw...
And to the OP's point...its about time considering the shit he has been surrounded with the last 5 years...hopefully its not to late considering the years that have been wasted...
The Giants wouldn't be in this position today if 2 years ago they fired Reese.
And the fixes being made are so captain obvious, as fans we're practically giddy.
Hey let's fix the OL (Has been broken since 2012)!
Hey let's get some quality LB play (has been missing for as long as I can recall in recent times)
Hey let's get a stud RB - (truely missing since Tiki - but you could say maybe since Bradshaw)
I mean if you look at draft magazines these issues are there every year and Reese couldn't address them.
How can you not fix the OL since 2012? How is that possible?
Mara's failure was utter and complete. The people he choose executed a plan he had to endorse. Period.
The end for Eli or a genuine rebirth for the next few years.
Exciting
I attribute that loyalty to the drought of 1963 to 1980. During that period it was almost impossible for Giants fans to envision a rise to the top; Simms was the quarterback that got the team there.
So I get the loyalty to Eli, even though I disagree with the philosophy of rebuilding around him. I was ready for Eli to hold the fort til a Darnold was ready.
Wonder if it s a generational thing.
I'm good with that.
How he's hoodwinked everyone and put players career's in jeopardy just to give old Eli a good sendoff.
A more logical explanation is that the posters who come up with these theories are fucking morons. And pretty much beat the same drum over and over again.
Guess what - look at sxdxca's posting history. The guy is a fucking trainwreck who has posted a variation of this shit countless times.
oh, and Hernandez may be the best OLineman in the entire draft.
I'm good with that.
100% agree, Mara family is in debt to Eli's services. Too bad we have giants fans who struggle with this
I also think he's making up for the removal of Tom Coughlin which Eli was known be to close with
Logic isn't really a strong point is it?
Oh, and I particularly love the quote "He also has a decent backup RB in Gallman, to spell Barkley from time to time." How generous of Mara to provide Eli more than just one running back...
He brought in Gettlemen. Gettlemen, in his evaluation, thought Eli was still a good player. He was not brought in because of his evaluation of Eli. He was brought in based on his vision on returning the team to competitiveness.
The people he acquired - Barkley, Solder, etc. were not specifically for Eli. They were to upgrade a putrid offense. These additions were needed no matter who the QB is.
Yes, Eli needs to perform. When you get paid $20million a year you need to be more than just average. However, whatever they've done to improve the offense was done to make the Giants better, not to appease Eli.
Or was that Reese going rogue and giving the Manning family a virtual slap in the face.
With a gloveless hand, of course.
^ THIS!
- I don't think management is focused on a Super Bowl run. They need to dig themselves out of a hole and want to at least have a "competitive" team the next year or two.
- The game changes and with it the relative value of a specific position (e.g. RBs in the last decade). It may be that ELITE QBs are not necessary at this point in time; an intelligent QB who can make decisions at the line to counter the new hybrid defenses, running a well balanced offense with many weapons may be sufficient as last season seemed to demonstrate. If anyone, Shula and Shurmur can make such an offense work (and Webb and Lauletta are two good candidates for such a scheme).
Or was that Reese going rogue and giving the Manning family a virtual slap in the face.
With a gloveless hand, of course.
Or trade for Ogletree.
We will be set forever...
Do you actually believe a now Palio's jeopardize a season for any player
He might be right or he could be wrong.
But Eli has been well compensated over his career, the Giants don t owe him.
Also there is this, Eli did not elevate the team despite it s deficiencies. To me that equates to being part of the problem. Giants were right to take a look at Geno and Webb last season. Their mistake was not sticking to the plan.
Oh, and I particularly love the quote "He also has a decent backup RB in Gallman, to spell Barkley from time to time." How generous of Mara to provide Eli more than just one running back...
One guy never wins or loses a game.
The elephant in the room is still the OLine. Jones is a qustion mark and we dont know who is playing RT. Omabuah or however you spell his name is a castoff. Our rookie is still a rookie.
Just because we got new OL, doesnt mean its improved until they show it on the field.
Those excuses do not disappear until we have an average offensive line in front of him, which we haven't had for nearly 7 years.
Not great, not above average, but just average....
There aren't many good OLs in the NFL anymore. That said, the Giants' OL was clearly one of the worst in the league.
It's difficult to envision that this OL will be awful in 2018. It should be at least middle of the road now with potential issues at center and right tackle.
But how many teams have a Beckham-Shepard-Engram-Barkley arsenal?
Eli has become a losing QB. He's got to turn that around.
And there were times when he had time but had happy feet, rushed his throw, and badly missed wide open guys deep.
Now one can argue he had happy feet because he has become accustomed to poor pass protection and his internal clock is off.
I have said, and will continue to say, that I've seen enough football in my life to know that sometimes don't get their courage back. I pray Eli does. But it's not a given.
But there were plenty of jailbreaks where he had way less. I'm fairly confident, as one talking head said the other day, you can thank Eli for moving in the pocket to buy extra time, not the line.