He went out and brought in a GM who has publicly said he has seen no drop off in Eli's arm or talent.
He went out and brought in an offensive minded coach , who has done wonders for other QB's , and has publicly said Eli has years left.
He used the 2nd overall pick in the entire draft to bring in Barkley , the most explosive RB in over a decade.
He used the 34th overall pick in the draft to bring in Hernandez , who may be the 2nd best guard in the entire draft.
He went out and signed , in fact overspent for the best LT in free agency , Solder.
He has what many consider to be one of the best WR's in the game , Beckham at age 25 coming back.
He has last years 1st rd pick Engram at TE , and an emerging star , lining up again for him.
He has Shepard , a 2nd rd pick at WR , who if he played a full 16 game season , would have put up a 1,000 yard season.
He also has a decent backup RB in Gallman , to spell Barkley from time to time.
Eli should be very grateful at 37 , that he has an owner who believes this much in him , considering how bad last year was.
Personally after comparing Eli's tape from 2004 to 2017 , it seems he hasn't lost too much on arm strength.
However I have seen a decline in his mobility , compared to 2004 , he is much slower , in fact very slow.
Mara has given Eli virtually everything he can to succeed.
It is now up to Eli to come through for his owner , team , and fans , and play QB at a championship level.
The question is will he?
We will have to wait and see
This is just an odd take. People just take things to extreme. Defending a play or a pass doesnt mean you are exonerating him for a games worth of plays.
In 2014 with the 14th pick in the draft they selected WR Beckham because Eli needed a weapon, because Nicks was done.
In 2017 with the 23rd pick in the 1st rd they selected engram at TE cuz Eli needed someone to stretch the seem at reciever.
So yes he has been given much
In 2014 with the 14th pick in the draft they selected WR Beckham because Eli needed a weapon, because Nicks was done.
In 2017 with the 23rd pick in the 1st rd they selected engram at TE cuz Eli needed someone to stretch the seem at reciever.
So yes he has been given much
So your saying that a GM took guys in the draft where they had holes, sometimes glaring ones?
Well strike me down and call me Brett.... wait, no - dont ever call me that.
This is what I don't get. Why am I "some fuckstick" because I disagree with the pick? I am arguably childish in using the "S" for DSG. But my points remain sound for disagreeing with his selection. And time will prove whether he is right or I am. And even you don't have a crystal ball to prove that the Barkley pick is correct, so how can you say that I am or will be proven wrong?
Look, you have to understand that there some here at BBI who treat Jints Central as the Holy Trinity chapel at the top of Mount Sinai. Anything critical of this holy ground is met with massive resistance. And you must be punished with harsh, creative terms such as "fuckstick". ;)
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What the fuck is "DSG" ?
It's how they refer to Dave Gettleman at "Jints Central"
Ah... good ol Jints Central...
So, I don't think DG was being "safe" by picking Barkley. Or he was afraid to pick a QB. He could turn out to be wrong. But if that is the case, it was a simple error in judgment, not some fear or risk aversion.
Shurmur is truly one of the masterful playcallers in the league. Old school. He'll keep the heat off Eli by tying the defense in knots with run/play action. The defense will be looking for Barkley off the bus.
Now - I expect Eli to be fine after a full offseason because he's got ice in his veins and Shurmur is the QB Whisperer. But Flowers, Hart, Reese & McAdoo could've caused permanent damage.
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This is what I don't get. Why am I "some fuckstick" because I disagree with the pick? I am arguably childish in using the "S" for DSG. But my points remain sound for disagreeing with his selection. And time will prove whether he is right or I am. And even you don't have a crystal ball to prove that the Barkley pick is correct, so how can you say that I am or will be proven wrong?
Look, you have to understand that there some here at BBI who treat Jints Central as the Holy Trinity chapel at the top of Mount Sinai. Anything critical of this holy ground is met with massive resistance. And you must be punished with harsh, creative terms such as "fuckstick". ;)
In 2014 with the 14th pick in the draft they selected WR Beckham because Eli needed a weapon, because Nicks was done.
In 2017 with the 23rd pick in the 1st rd they selected engram at TE cuz Eli needed someone to stretch the seem at reciever.
So yes he has been given much
They selected a WR or a TE, because they needed a WR or a TE. Nothing more. Nothing less.
- That ownership appeases Eli and Archie because of the draft day move
- That ownership owes him for the SB's and keeps him around when he's supposedly dead weight
- That they fire the HC and GM to repair his hurt feelings from being benched
- That they draft WR's, TE's and RB's high to appease Eli instead of replacing him with a sure future HoF QB
- That Eli really orchestrates moves behind the scenes and they carry them through
But the logic falls short. It doesn't explain:
- Using a bounty to re-sign JPP and sign Snacks, Jenkins and Vernon
- Firing Eli supposedly favorite coach TC
- Firing Gilbride whose system Eli loved
- Going Eli's first several years without upgrading the OL
- Keeping Eli at QB even though his high throws were crippling every decent WR who played for the team
- Hiring McAdoo who ran a system that Eli isn't a good fit for
- Picking CB, S or DT high in several drafts
It isn't logical, but wrap it around the inference that Mara runs everything and a cute nickname like "Jints Central" and viola, conspiracy theorists unite. Mike even hook Pete Carroll to believe it.
Once you think canada cant get any worse...
Les shows up to post.
I really thought you were a better poster than this, but your schtick is now pretty old. Yeah, you will the same thing about me - but you are flat out making up stuff to promote an agenda.
Same thing in EVERY thread you post in.
He's far more fun to point/counter-point with than most.
It's fucking absurd....we don't need a WR; we only have them because Eli needed one
we don't need a TE; we only have them because Eli needed one
People actually and literally say this.
No other team in the league has or needs WR's, RB', and TE's.
It's just a fucking asinine statement.
"I'm in the Eli FanBoy Club? Is that wrong? Am I supposed to hate the guy?"
Actually, I have one other moment, but that's just a violent shaking of the head wondering who exists on a message board to type a variation of the same shit each and every post. But then again - that seems to apply to most of the guys who go hard after eli.
He's only struggled in one season out of the last four. He was fine in 2014-2015. Good enough in 2016.
Everyone seems to rewrite history when we talk about Eli lately.
He's far more fun to point/counter-point with than most.
I think you're swell too...
People have too much Eli on the brain. It's an obsession that's moved in to psychoses.
It's amazing how fans have lost their frickin mind with this draft thing. Some of you are nuts with this. Why is everything about Eli? It's not!
Guys, it's fucking simple. They didn't love the QBs to take one at 2! They LOVE Barkley. They likely aren't disgusted or down on Webb. They obviously like the QB they drafted this year but likely aren't delusional and they obviously still think Eli can play this year and probably next. Then they will worry about 2020 leading up to it if needed.
WTF...trying to reinvent the wheel with some of these long takes on this crap. Look at Barkley....just look at him! He's an insane prospect. That's what these scouts and GMs are paid to do! Find greatness and take him.
You're insufferable on this topic. No one had to make excuses for Eli from 2014 through most if not all of 2016. the only reason we did was because of the people that bashed his play. Eli was fine problem is some of you fucks can't see it. Then his play did slip in 2017, although he still resembled a pro presence to anyone that can see, but oK fine, he struggled, and that one season, the Eli defenders felt compelled to believe that with a functional, not perfect, but PROFESSIONAL led offense, Eli can deliver...and WHY?
Because he's done it for the better part of 15 fucking years. That's why. Excuses my ass. You're the one LOOKING for a reason to believe Eli is going to struggle.
When the offense is functional, ELi has NEVER, EVER struggled here. NEVER. Don't like hearing that or don't believe that? Go ahead and try and disprove it. Please.
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That's not the truth.
In 2014 with the 14th pick in the draft they selected WR Beckham because Eli needed a weapon, because Nicks was done.
In 2017 with the 23rd pick in the 1st rd they selected engram at TE cuz Eli needed someone to stretch the seem at reciever.
So yes he has been given much
That so much bullshit.
They selected a WR or a TE, because they needed a WR or a TE. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Bill L
I feel sorry for you , I really do.
I mean if you had used some intelligence that I was responding to a poster who was saying that Atlanta used there draft picks to acquire a wr , where the giants had not.
You would clearly see that his logic was faulty.
If you can't figure that out then I cant help you, and if u can't see that the giants drafted Beckham to give eli a weapon on offense, then I can't help you either
the fanboys will go on game threads and point out every mistake that other Giants make ("another drop by shepard!") while either minimizing or ignoring mistakes Eli makes (crickets after Eli throws a pick six). you will never get a nuanced viewpoint of his performance. some of them are also abusive and berate anyone who has a critical or nuanced view of his performance.
2016 the offense was led by Mickey Mouse and had one viable receiving option along with a rookie in Shep who was ok. Eli threw for over 4000 yards and 26 TDs AND helped the team win 11 games. That is not a bad season even if there were warning signs and struggles. Eli wasn't the problem.
We talked about 2017. Fine.
EVery other year Eli has held up his end of the bargain! Why shouldn't I believe he's got another 4300 yard, 27-30 TD season where he pulls out a few games second half and leads the team to a winning record? Why not? Because of LAST YEAR'S results?
Some of you suck not to be able to at least see WHY some of us have some faith in Eli here for the next 1-2-3 seasons. You don't have to agree with it but you suck when you act like Gettleman and Mara are akin to keystone cops by making this move for Barkley and sticking with Eli here. This was never an easy slam dunk decision no matter wtf you might think.
Drew Brees? How many games did he win from 2012-2016? Not many.
Some QBs are good or even very good or even great and they still need help. Eli is one of those. Not an indictment.
It's fucking absurd....we don't need a WR; we only have them because Eli needed one
we don't need a TE; we only have them because Eli needed one
People actually and literally say this.
No other team in the league has or needs WR's, RB', and TE's.
It's just a fucking asinine statement.
Once again bill l your logic is faulty.
Your attempting to say that the only reason the giants drafted a te is because they needed one.
But that isn't the truth.
In 2016 the giants offense was struggling, so they said the reason why was because eli didnt have a te who could go up the seam.
So if we draft engram in the 1st rd our offense will be explosive.
They drafted him , and sadly the giants offense , I kid u not averaged 15 points a game in 2017.
Thanks len , honestly I'm not even upset... I like eli
One viable option in 2016. Victor Cruz and the piano on his back was his number 2. Larry Donnell and Will Tye were his TEs, and Rashad Jennings and Paul Perkins were his RBs. Shepard was ok, but he was delegated as a slot WR.
Paul Perkins was the player who contributed the most in 2017 out of ALL of them. Sometimes we have to temper expectations when you realize what someone has to work with.
the fanboys will go on game threads and point out every mistake that other Giants make ("another drop by shepard!") while either minimizing or ignoring mistakes Eli makes (crickets after Eli throws a pick six). you will never get a nuanced viewpoint of his performance. some of them are also abusive and berate anyone who has a critical or nuanced view of his performance.
And there is someone like you who bashes everything he does and never has given him credit for a single thing in his career.
You said Vince Young was a better QB than him. But yeah, you are rational.
Had he had a better game against Philly in 2016 on the road on TNF his stats would've been similar to 2014. 30 TDs and 14 INTs.
I think that game was a shame and set the tone for the rest of the year. It showed they weren't battle tested and Eli played very poorly. They couldn't handle a bad-mediocre whatever Philly team on the road to clinch a playoff birth?
That's the game of 2016 that will always stick out to me.
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I think you're swell too..
I do enjoy your posts when you post football stuff. The berating stuff, particularly against some of the knuckleheads is boorish. But you know that...
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that people here feel that all we need is a non-Eli, and not a single, fucking, other player on the team and we would win every game.
It's fucking absurd....we don't need a WR; we only have them because Eli needed one
we don't need a TE; we only have them because Eli needed one
People actually and literally say this.
No other team in the league has or needs WR's, RB', and TE's.
It's just a fucking asinine statement.
Once again bill l your logic is faulty.
Your attempting to say that the only reason the giants drafted a te is because they needed one.
But that isn't the truth.
In 2016 the giants offense was struggling, so they said the reason why was because eli didnt have a te who could go up the seam.
So if we draft engram in the 1st rd our offense will be explosive.
They drafted him , and sadly the giants offense , I kid u not averaged 15 points a game in 2017.
They drafted OBJ because they literally had no quality WR. They drafted Engram because they literally had dross at TE. The drafted Hernandez because the OL: sucked. None of that was for Eli, just like drafting LT was to improve their defense and not just to give a friend to whoever was the DT next to him at the time. It doesn't matter Eli; God (not touched by God, but actually God) could be our QB and they were still going to draft OBJ at that spot. Because it makes team sense.
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This is what I don't get. Why am I "some fuckstick" because I disagree with the pick? I am arguably childish in using the "S" for DSG. But my points remain sound for disagreeing with his selection. And time will prove whether he is right or I am. And even you don't have a crystal ball to prove that the Barkley pick is correct, so how can you say that I am or will be proven wrong?
Look, you have to understand that there some here at BBI who treat Jints Central as the Holy Trinity chapel at the top of Mount Sinai. Anything critical of this holy ground is met with massive resistance. And you must be punished with harsh, creative terms such as "fuckstick". ;)
And now youve proven to use that term only to provoke. What a fucking child.
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that people here feel that all we need is a non-Eli, and not a single, fucking, other player on the team and we would win every game.
It's fucking absurd....we don't need a WR; we only have them because Eli needed one
we don't need a TE; we only have them because Eli needed one
People actually and literally say this.
No other team in the league has or needs WR's, RB', and TE's.
It's just a fucking asinine statement.
Once again bill l your logic is faulty.
Your attempting to say that the only reason the giants drafted a te is because they needed one.
But that isn't the truth.
In 2016 the giants offense was struggling, so they said the reason why was because eli didnt have a te who could go up the seam.
So if we draft engram in the 1st rd our offense will be explosive.
They drafted him , and sadly the giants offense , I kid u not averaged 15 points a game in 2017.
The irony of a poster accusing another of not using "logic" or "intelligence" after misusing "there" and "your" is precious...like watching a kid pick his nose and eat it.
And now youve proven to use that term only to provoke. What a fucking child.
You desperately need to get a sense of humor. To find the term Jints Central somehow provoking is very strange.
- That ownership appeases Eli and Archie because of the draft day move
- That ownership owes him for the SB's and keeps him around when he's supposedly dead weight
- That they fire the HC and GM to repair his hurt feelings from being benched
- That they draft WR's, TE's and RB's high to appease Eli instead of replacing him with a sure future HoF QB
- That Eli really orchestrates moves behind the scenes and they carry them through
It isn't logical, but wrap it around the inference that Mara runs everything and a cute nickname like "Jints Central" and viola, conspiracy theorists unite. Mike even hook Pete Carroll to believe it.
For some inexplicable reason, and maybe because you are just genuinely dishonest, every thing you've written above about Eli does not pertain to me, or anything I've written about Eli, with the exception - partially - that Mara is keeping Eli around for services rendered.
To think that it is far fetched to believe that Mara wants to do everything he can to send Eli off in style - for all of his contributions - is beyond naive.
As I've stated, I find that to be a perfectly reasonable human response by Mara. On the other hand, I also find it to be a move that could set the team back in the medium and long term. And that's been an on-going debate since Eli ended the season with another poor performance. Is there still something left or has he hit the point of diminishing returns?
Well, Mara has turned over his cards and he is all in on the something being left. And he has surrounded himself with people who feel the same way - Gettleman and Shurmur. It is a tremendous gamble on a 37 year old QB despite a draft stockpiled with good, talented prospects.
It's either going to be Mara's most courageous moves or one of the dumbest moves he's ever made. So the clock in ticking.