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QB Snacks : 5/21/2018 9:44 am
Boy, does the NBA stink right now or is just me? The talent level in the league may be at an all time high but it's about as noncompetitive as it can get.

Had draymond green not been suspended a few years back the warriors would be hoisting their 4th straight title next month. They'll be heavy favorites to win the title again next year.

This is, at max, a 2-3 team league. Everyone else is just playing for revenue. With the ability to go over the cap, 7 game series in each round, there is no chance for upsets or Cinderella stories. Our 07 run would never occur in the NBA.

There is some great basketball being played but it's just not compelling at all.
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What GS did  
giantsfan44ab : 5/21/2018 12:46 pm : link
is what every fan wants their team to do. Kill it in the draft and then lure top talents to join. It's pretty much the only reliable way to do it unless you have an MVP that can allure 2 other stars with tons of cap space.

I hate KD and GS but I can't sit here and pretend that I wouldn't have wanted the Knicks to do the same exact thing.
RE: Warriors  
jdf : 5/22/2018 6:10 am : link
In comment 13969960 TyreeHelmet said:
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Can people please stop saying that Draymond Green's suspension cost them the title?

1) He missed 1 game and Cleveland won by 15. He's making a 15 point difference?

2) He played in games 6 and 7 ( he played brilliantly in game 7 which gets overlooked). The Warriors lost 3 games in a row and 2 at home.

3) Look at Lebron's stat lines Games 5-7
Game 5- 41/16/7
Game 6- 41/8/11
Game 7- 27/11/11 in 47 minutes.

The Cavs won that title due to Lebron and Kyries greatness those last 3 games.

4) Lastly, he deserved to be suspended! He'd been kicking guys in the nuts all year and got away with a blatant one on Steven Adams in the WCF. If you act like an idiot, you deserve to be punished. He was mentally weak.


You're forgetting that both Bogut and Iguodala got injured in Game 5 of that series. So yes, Draymond came back for Games 6 and 7, but without Bogut and with Iguodala hobbled, of course Lebron and Kyrie went off. Whether you like it or not, that suspension completely changed the series and tipped the scales Cleveland's way. (And that, by the way, also paved the way for Durant to go to Golden State; I don't believe he would have done so if GS had won the championship that year.)

And I disagree that Draymond deserved to be suspended. Lebron completely instigated the scuffle at the end of Game 4, and then called for the suspension (along with Brian Windhorst, I believe) after the game. The NBA gave him what he wanted, and the rest is history. It was the worst rigging of a series since Sacramento-LA in 2002.
RE: RE: Warriors  
TyreeHelmet : 5/22/2018 11:22 am : link
In comment 13970862 jdf said:
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In comment 13969960 TyreeHelmet said:


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Can people please stop saying that Draymond Green's suspension cost them the title?

1) He missed 1 game and Cleveland won by 15. He's making a 15 point difference?

2) He played in games 6 and 7 ( he played brilliantly in game 7 which gets overlooked). The Warriors lost 3 games in a row and 2 at home.

3) Look at Lebron's stat lines Games 5-7
Game 5- 41/16/7
Game 6- 41/8/11
Game 7- 27/11/11 in 47 minutes.

The Cavs won that title due to Lebron and Kyries greatness those last 3 games.

4) Lastly, he deserved to be suspended! He'd been kicking guys in the nuts all year and got away with a blatant one on Steven Adams in the WCF. If you act like an idiot, you deserve to be punished. He was mentally weak.



You're forgetting that both Bogut and Iguodala got injured in Game 5 of that series. So yes, Draymond came back for Games 6 and 7, but without Bogut and with Iguodala hobbled, of course Lebron and Kyrie went off. Whether you like it or not, that suspension completely changed the series and tipped the scales Cleveland's way. (And that, by the way, also paved the way for Durant to go to Golden State; I don't believe he would have done so if GS had won the championship that year.)

And I disagree that Draymond deserved to be suspended. Lebron completely instigated the scuffle at the end of Game 4, and then called for the suspension (along with Brian Windhorst, I believe) after the game. The NBA gave him what he wanted, and the rest is history. It was the worst rigging of a series since Sacramento-LA in 2002.


Iggy averaged 36 mins a game from games 5-7.But I guess thats part of the Warriors mantra. When things don't go well blame injuries. When they do play well they are healthy.

Bogut did go down in Game 5 but I'm sorry he's not tipping the series balance. He also wasn't even playing big minutes down the stretch of games at that point.

The Green suspension definitely contributed to them losing. I just hate how people blame it 100% on the loss. I think the James averaging 40 points and a triple double was what did it. And if you watched game 5, Lebron and Kyrie were possessed and no way were they losing.
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dep026 : 5/22/2018 11:28 am : link
In comment 13971146 TyreeHelmet said:
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The Green suspension definitely contributed to them losing. I just hate how people blame it 100% on the loss. I think the James averaging 40 points and a triple double was what did it. And if you watched game 5, Lebron and Kyrie were possessed and no way were they losing.


I agree playing the what if game is silly. Cleveland could have easily won the game with or without Green. But the only thing I would disagree with is since they lost by 15 - could he have made a difference of that? The answer is yes, no, maybe so? No one can ever know for sure. I believe the game was tied at half. Maybe with Green they areup 10 or down 10. But his absence was huge and one will always wonder if he had him....

Along the lines with agreeing with you.... what if Kyrie and Love werent hurt for the first go round? It could always go both ways.
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TyreeHelmet : 5/22/2018 12:20 pm : link
In comment 13971150 dep026 said:
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The Green suspension definitely contributed to them losing. I just hate how people blame it 100% on the loss. I think the James averaging 40 points and a triple double was what did it. And if you watched game 5, Lebron and Kyrie were possessed and no way were they losing.



I agree playing the what if game is silly. Cleveland could have easily won the game with or without Green. But the only thing I would disagree with is since they lost by 15 - could he have made a difference of that? The answer is yes, no, maybe so? No one can ever know for sure. I believe the game was tied at half. Maybe with Green they areup 10 or down 10. But his absence was huge and one will always wonder if he had him....

Along the lines with agreeing with you.... what if Kyrie and Love werent hurt for the first go round? It could always go both ways.


I think the Cavs win the series in 6 if both those guys are healthy and probably even just with Kyrie healthy.

They lost game 1 in OT after Kyrie got hurt I believe. They won games 2 and 3 but just ran out of gas and scoring. Delly was the 2nd offensive option and had to be hospitalized for exhaustion. James Jones was getting big minutes.

What Lebron did that series is what of the most impressive feats I've ever seen from an athlete. He 100% deserved the MVP, regardless of them losing.
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dep026 : 5/22/2018 12:23 pm : link
In comment 13971239 TyreeHelmet said:
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What Lebron did that series is what of the most impressive feats I've ever seen from an athlete. He 100% deserved the MVP, regardless of them losing.


Tough to give someone the MVP shooting less than 40% from the floor. I understand he had to do what he had to do, but his shooting was a big reason why they lost a few of those games.
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TyreeHelmet : 5/22/2018 12:44 pm : link
In comment 13971241 dep026 said:
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What Lebron did that series is what of the most impressive feats I've ever seen from an athlete. He 100% deserved the MVP, regardless of them losing.



Tough to give someone the MVP shooting less than 40% from the floor. I understand he had to do what he had to do, but his shooting was a big reason why they lost a few of those games.


46 mins a game
35 points a game
13 boards
9 assists

While relying on Delly, Mozgov, and Thompson to create offense.
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dep026 : 5/22/2018 12:50 pm : link
In comment 13971276 TyreeHelmet said:
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In comment 13971239 TyreeHelmet said:


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What Lebron did that series is what of the most impressive feats I've ever seen from an athlete. He 100% deserved the MVP, regardless of them losing.



Tough to give someone the MVP shooting less than 40% from the floor. I understand he had to do what he had to do, but his shooting was a big reason why they lost a few of those games.



46 mins a game
35 points a game
13 boards
9 assists

While relying on Delly, Mozgov, and Thompson to create offense.


I am not saying he didnt play well.

But he also shot under 40% from the floor
31% from 3
67% from the foul line

And lets not act like Mozgov/Thoompson combining for 20/20 is something to sneeze at. Lebron had too much responsibility and did amazing in the series. But his shooting was a big reason why they lost. He took more than 20 shots per game than his next closest teammate!!!
Shooting  
TyreeHelmet : 5/22/2018 1:34 pm : link
You actually have a point. I didn't realize he shot so poorly and that much the last 3 games. It's amazing how much he's evolved even since then. He scores so efficiently now its crazy.
RE: Shooting  
dep026 : 5/22/2018 1:38 pm : link
In comment 13971349 TyreeHelmet said:
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You actually have a point. I didn't realize he shot so poorly and that much the last 3 games. It's amazing how much he's evolved even since then. He scores so efficiently now its crazy.


Scoring efficiently has increased over the last couple years being that its easier to get to the basket and the 3 point shooting has improved. Long gone are the days of driving the lane and facing two bigs who's job was to clog the lane. Sometimes with smallball lineups there is.... no one there!

Referencing back to Jordan. He would drive the lane and see the likes of Parish/McHale, Barkley/Malone, Rodman/Laimbeer, Ewing/Oakley there. Now, Lebron may see a horford (if he isnt chasing Love on the arc, and possibly Draymond Green in the finals. Crazy.
They should keep the salary cap and kill the max contract  
Heisenberg : 5/22/2018 1:43 pm : link
keeping the stars salaries artificially low incentivizes them to try to all be on the same team. Let Lebron make 60 Million or whatever he can and the cavs try to fill out the roster with the rest.
NBA  
madgiantscow009 : 5/22/2018 1:52 pm : link
is hard to watch.
The thing that sucks  
KWALL2 : 5/22/2018 1:57 pm : link
Is team building is tough.

In other sports you can turn it around fast but not in the NBA. I have no solution for it but it sucks when your team is going on 2 decades of poor ball.

The super dynasty thing has been seen often in the NBA. That’s not the problem now. Have a great team and then others try and knock them off. That’s good stuff.
RE: Warriors  
Section331 : 5/22/2018 4:39 pm : link
In comment 13969960 TyreeHelmet said:
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Can people please stop saying that Draymond Green's suspension cost them the title?
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4) Lastly, he deserved to be suspended! He'd been kicking guys in the nuts all year and got away with a blatant one on Steven Adams in the WCF. If you act like an idiot, you deserve to be punished. He was mentally weak.


Good post, but this one?:

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Durant
TyreeHelmet : 5/21/2018 12:27 pm : link : reply
My argument against Durant joining GSW is simply about trying to be the best in the world. If you were that talented, wouldn't your pride drive you to want to prove you are the greatest? How is joining GSW doing that? Has he grown as a player? Not in my opinion he just tries harder on defense now.

If I'm that talented I want to prove that I can bring my own squad to a championship. I would crave that challenge.That Warriors team will never be his. Bottom line is they don't even need him to win titles. Curry is what makes that offensive system go. He's just a super bonus for them that completely tilted the competitive balance.


I completely get the idea of wanting to beat the best, but what should KD have done, stay in OKC? Fuck that, I'm going to San Fran every day and Sunday over OK fucking C.

And it is KD that makes GS go. Whenever they need a bucket, the ball goes through KD.
After seeing Westbrook now  
giantsfan44ab : 5/22/2018 6:08 pm : link
its hard to fend for him but those last few games in that series were on KD's shoulders. It was him chucking contested transition 3s with Ibaka wide open under the basket that cost them game 7. They were the most talented team in the league. They upgraded Ibaka into Oladipo + Sabonis. While those guys underperformed in OKC i think it wouldve been much different had KD been there. I mean did you see how useful Dion Waiters was with KD? I think Dipo wouldve had a much better season last year, plus Westbrook, KD and PG probably would be the favorite for a few years.
It's always been a 2-3 team league.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 5/22/2018 6:13 pm : link
Bill Russell won ELEVEN TITLES IN THIRTEEN SEASONS. For most of the past 3-4 decades, we can narrow down to exactly 2 or 3 teams who's going to win the title with a high percentage of accuracy. Basketball is the one major sport where the best team almost always wins. I think people can legitimately complain about the in-game competitiveness, which is really more a result of the three point shot. Complaining about it being a 2-3 team league ignores years and years of the sport's history.
In my opinion there's a very clear fix  
Strahan91 : 5/22/2018 6:17 pm : link
Abolish the max contracts and let teams pay players as much as they'd like within the bounds of the salary cap. That way instead of guys giving up a few million to play with other superstars they'd be giving up a lot more. That would bring far more parity fairly quickly
Jordan ruined NBA for me as well  
stoneman : 5/22/2018 6:29 pm : link
So many phantom calls that I gave up on any game with him. This product after the Bird/Magic era was horrible.

This and the fact that I started to dislike all of the players - Iverson, Kidd, etc. too many punks.
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