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giantsFC : 5/28/2018 3:13 pm
I feel this is an organizational player evaluation flaw.
They seem to continue to rely on guys who have lengthy histories of DL time. This is a GM issue more than an ownership issue IMO.

This is The one hope I have as a Mets fan the team isnt doomed unless the Coupons sell or move them.

Ugh.
They never waste any time  
Rflairr : 5/28/2018 4:29 pm : link
ruining a deGrom start. unreal
Fucking Lugo...  
rebel yell : 5/28/2018 4:54 pm : link
unreal.
RE: Fucking Lugo...  
Rflairr : 5/28/2018 4:59 pm : link
In comment 13977181 rebel yell said:
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unreal.


The closer hasnt pitched in almost a week. Why is Lugo out there to finish the game? I mean, what is it already
RE: They never waste any time  
ChaChing : 5/28/2018 5:04 pm : link
In comment 13977164 Rflairr said:
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ruining a deGrom start. unreal

When we were in rain delay I was facetiously thinking how JD's best chance at a W is the rainout. Not Fn Funny.

At least Mesoraco has been good, especially given the catching situation for yrs. Both behind and at the plate
My beef with Lugo ...  
BobA : 5/28/2018 5:07 pm : link
is not the home run as much as it was the lead off walk. That was unforgivable. I hope he learns.
mets 2019  
Hilary : 5/28/2018 6:42 pm : link
Who are candidates to replace Sandy A? He has to go.
Hilary  
Bill in TN : 5/28/2018 7:42 pm : link
Doesn't matter. Coupons will re-hire Minaya for a reunion tour.
Please trade Degrom  
spike : 5/28/2018 9:29 pm : link
Jake deserves better than this. The Mets dont deserve him.

He would be a huge star as a Yankee ace
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pjcas18 : 5/28/2018 11:11 pm : link
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Matt Ehalt
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Mets have blown six multi-run leads in the last four games including tonight.
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The entire starting  
Metnut : 5/28/2018 11:13 pm : link
rotation is healthy. They just arent they good. The fact that Conlon isnt starting this game 2 shows how shitty of a job sandy has done at building organizational depth. Nats have been without Murphy all year yet are ahead of the Mets and I doubt they are looking back.
They are like the Jets  
spike : 5/29/2018 8:43 am : link
Culturally Built for losing
They win the game when  
Metnut : 5/29/2018 9:41 am : link
Conlon gets tattooed but lose when DeGrom throws a gem. Baseball makes no sense.

Team is still above .500. How about a winning streak? Please?
RE: They win the game when  
arcarsenal : 5/29/2018 9:56 am : link
In comment 13977602 Metnut said:
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Conlon gets tattooed but lose when DeGrom throws a gem. Baseball makes no sense.

Team is still above .500. How about a winning streak? Please?


I'm not holding my breath.

Everyone wanted "Benitez2" out of the closer spot. Y'all got your wish and Lugo blew it.

Maybe it's not so easy.

Meanwhile, Familia turned around and got a 6 out save in game 2.
I'm not blaming  
Metnut : 5/29/2018 11:23 am : link
Callaway for the game 1 loss. IMO, it's probably easier to pitch Lugo 2 IP in game 1, and Familia 2 IP in game 2, rather than 1 IP in each of the two games. Lugo has been one of our best relievers this year, and sometimes the bullpen needs to get outs. All managers are going to look bad when the bullpen gets lit up. IMO, it's the GM's fault in that situation for putting the bullpen together.
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arcarsenal : 5/29/2018 11:36 am : link
I'm not either - just pointing out that even Lugo, who has been basically untouchable for weeks now can blow a save.

The offense remains the major issue here, IMV.
I never wanted Benitez 2 out of the closer spot  
pjcas18 : 5/29/2018 11:42 am : link
I wanted him to convert his opportunities.

Using Lugo in game 1 kind of goes against what I thought was the philosophy of Callaway (use your best pitcher at the more important time).

He didn't even know there would be a save opportunity in game 2.

I figured the right move would be use Familia game 1 and deal with game 2 when you get there.

A win is a win, so you can't bust his balls too much, but Mets really need to win those two games yesterday against a chief (no pun intended) division rival since they had a chance to win both.

But to be clear I never wanted Familia out of the closer role, not sure who did, the rest of the Mets bullpen is pretty shitty.
I'm not absolving the Mets here  
Knineteen : 5/29/2018 11:51 am : link
but holy shit...sending Lugo out for a second inning was 100% the right move. Dude has been lights-out for weeks and the team needed to save as much of the bullpen as possible for the second game.

Familia already has 4 blown saves this season...not a guarantee either.
The Barves have a good young team  
spike : 5/29/2018 11:56 am : link
Sometimes theother team gets paid to win as well
Seth Lugo  
pjcas18 : 5/29/2018 12:01 pm : link
has a whopping career total of zero saves.

Putting him in a position he's never been in before (in the majors) against a division rival with the Mets desperate for wins, is not the right move and it's not 2nd guessing.
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arcarsenal : 5/29/2018 12:07 pm : link
Only 2 teams in the majors have had more save opportunities than the Mets thus far - I think the sheer volume probably has something to do with a few of the blown saves. It's just math. The more opportunities there are, the better chance you have to accrue blown saves.

I don't think Familia has even pitched poorly at all this year. His peripherals aren't out of line from his norms - we've just been leaning on him harder than most other teams have been leaning on their closers so far. He leads the league in games finished - already at 22 before the end of May.

He's on pace for like 70. Which is a lot.

Familia led the majors in this stat in both 2015 and 2016. He was obviously hurt last year. He also led the majors in saves with 51 in 2016.

Bottom line - over the last 4 years or so, I'm not sure any team in the majors has leaned more heavily on a closer than we have with Familia.

He's a good pitcher. He's not a perfect pitcher.
They need to score more  
spike : 5/29/2018 12:13 pm : link
To not rely on their closer so mich
Add Thor to the list  
pjcas18 : 5/29/2018 1:35 pm : link
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New York Mets
‏Verified account @Mets

Noah Syndergaard was examined today at The Hospital for Special Surgery for soreness in his right index finger. A MRI and clinical examination confirmed a strained ligament in the finger. Syndergaard will be placed on the 10-Day Disabled List, retroactive to May 26.
Strained ligament  
Metnut : 5/29/2018 1:42 pm : link
in his finger? Hopefully it's just a matter of being safe rather than sorry here and he only misses a start or two.
The fast start  
pjcas18 : 5/29/2018 1:47 pm : link
will probably hurt the Mets in the long run, if they can't get things straightened out and string together some wins.

The good start would probably then mean the Mets pick 6 - 10 instead of top 5.

Need to hit rock bottom.
holy shit it gets worse  
pjcas18 : 5/29/2018 2:03 pm : link
the Mets are considering filling Noah's rotation spot tomorrow with Vargas on short rest because thankfully he was so awful in his last start he only lasted 3 innings.

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Mike Puma
‏Verified account @NYPost_Mets

Mets are expected to consider using Jason Vargas on short rest tomorrow to start in Syndergaard's spot. Vargas pitched only 3 innings Saturday. Otherwise they will scour their minor league rosters for somebody.
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arcarsenal : 5/29/2018 2:07 pm : link
Same shit, different year... no other way to say it.
I'm starting to think Mets would rather  
Metnut : 5/29/2018 2:08 pm : link
literally forfeit baseball games than give Gsellmen a chance to ever start again. Vargas on short rest? WTF?
injuries  
Rory : 5/29/2018 2:09 pm : link
are starting to expose weak farm system

If this continues, Mets will be rumored to sell again which could transition to the beginning of the end of Alderson's tenure
Pray for rain  
spike : 5/29/2018 2:12 pm : link
The bullpen will be wrecked, if it hasnt already.

They are better off converting Gsellman and lugo back to starters.
RE: Seth Lugo  
schabadoo : 5/29/2018 2:20 pm : link
In comment 13977789 pjcas18 said:
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has a whopping career total of zero saves.

Putting him in a position he's never been in before (in the majors) against a division rival with the Mets desperate for wins, is not the right move and it's not 2nd guessing.


And didn't look good in the 8th. And came up to bat with a man on in the 9th. So yeah, would've been real easy to pull him.
Vargas  
Shecky : 5/29/2018 2:24 pm : link
Short start and was expected to give some innings yesterday. Didnt so available on short rest.
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arcarsenal : 5/29/2018 2:28 pm : link
Vargas is so, so, SO bad.

It's basically a forfeit putting him on the mound.
Hmmm decisions decisions  
pjcas18 : 5/29/2018 2:30 pm : link
Vargas or Laffey. LOL.

It's comical, even as a 5th starter or 6th starter, whatever you want to call it that the best options are Vargas or Laffey.

Maybe they'll bring up Crismatt. I'd rather lose trying out a player with some upside than running Vargas or Laffey out there.

ESPN update seems hopeful for a minimum stay...  
Metnut : 5/29/2018 2:58 pm : link

"Syndergaard (finger) could return from the 10-day disabled list when first eligible, James Wagner of The New York Times reports. Spin: Syndergaard landed on the disabled list Tuesday with a strained ligament in his right index finger, but his stay on the shelf could be an abbreviated one. It sounds like the 25-year-old could have continued to pitch through the issue, however the Mets opted to play it safe with their ace and give him some time to rest and recover. Syndergaard is expected to wear a splint for a little while before attempting to throw a bullpen session over the weekend; if all goes well during the bullpen, he could rejoin the rotation against the Orioles on June 5, the first day he's eligible to return. That said, the Mets will proceed cautiously with the right-hander given his importance to the team."
We shouldve traded Vargas for Mesoraco  
spike : 5/29/2018 3:20 pm : link
And kept Harvey
RE: Hmmm decisions decisions  
spike : 5/29/2018 3:20 pm : link
In comment 13977972 pjcas18 said:
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Vargas or Laffey. LOL.

It's comical, even as a 5th starter or 6th starter, whatever you want to call it that the best options are Vargas or Laffey.

Maybe they'll bring up Crismatt. I'd rather lose trying out a player with some upside than running Vargas or Laffey out there.


Why not Corey Oswalt?
RE: RE: Hmmm decisions decisions  
pjcas18 : 5/29/2018 3:48 pm : link
In comment 13978042 spike said:
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In comment 13977972 pjcas18 said:


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Vargas or Laffey. LOL.

It's comical, even as a 5th starter or 6th starter, whatever you want to call it that the best options are Vargas or Laffey.

Maybe they'll bring up Crismatt. I'd rather lose trying out a player with some upside than running Vargas or Laffey out there.




Why not Corey Oswalt?


Sure, he's an option too, I mean his near 7 ERA in Vegas makes him a perfect fit on the Mets. Seems like every 3rd or 4th start from him is decent so maybe they get lucky.

Oliver Perez  
giantsFC : 5/29/2018 3:55 pm : link
is an option. Seems like an Alderson type
RE: RE: Hmmm decisions decisions  
schabadoo : 5/29/2018 4:11 pm : link
In comment 13978042 spike said:
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In comment 13977972 pjcas18 said:


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Vargas or Laffey. LOL.

It's comical, even as a 5th starter or 6th starter, whatever you want to call it that the best options are Vargas or Laffey.

Maybe they'll bring up Crismatt. I'd rather lose trying out a player with some upside than running Vargas or Laffey out there.




Why not Corey Oswalt?


According to Betsy Helfand of the Las Vegas Review-Journal, 51s starting pitcher Corey Oswalt went on the disabled list Friday with lat tightness.
RE: ESPN update seems hopeful for a minimum stay...  
NewFakeDannyHeep : 5/29/2018 4:19 pm : link
In comment 13978005 Metnut said:
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"Syndergaard (finger) could return from the 10-day disabled list when first eligible, James Wagner of The New York Times reports. Spin: Syndergaard landed on the disabled list Tuesday with a strained ligament in his right index finger, but his stay on the shelf could be an abbreviated one. It sounds like the 25-year-old could have continued to pitch through the issue, however the Mets opted to play it safe with their ace and give him some time to rest and recover. Syndergaard is expected to wear a splint for a little while before attempting to throw a bullpen session over the weekend; if all goes well during the bullpen, he could rejoin the rotation against the Orioles on June 5, the first day he's eligible to return. That said, the Mets will proceed cautiously with the right-hander given his importance to the team."


This is the Mets, we'll be lucky if he has as many fingers as JPP by the time he's back.
Its time to give up on 50 some years of being a Mets fan  
SJGiant : 5/29/2018 5:00 pm : link
And declare my allegiance to the Evil Empire. Maybe I can get rid of the bad luck this team has befallen and switch some bad luck to the Yankees. If I burn my Mets hats and shirts, will the evil spirits leave this team? The curse has to be broken somehow.
RE: Its time to give up on 50 some years of being a Mets fan  
arcarsenal : 5/29/2018 5:14 pm : link
In comment 13978111 SJGiant said:
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And declare my allegiance to the Evil Empire. Maybe I can get rid of the bad luck this team has befallen and switch some bad luck to the Yankees. If I burn my Mets hats and shirts, will the evil spirits leave this team? The curse has to be broken somehow.


It won't work.

You have to think about it rationally. After 50 years, can you really just flip a switch and root for someone else? How will you feel if by some sort of miracle, the Mets happen to be good 5 years from now? You'll probably want to root for them again. Then what?

And are you really going to have any sort of connection to the Yankees?

I'd love to do the same thing - I really would. But It just wouldn't feel the same.
RE: RE: Its time to give up on 50 some years of being a Mets fan  
SJGiant : 5/29/2018 5:22 pm : link
In comment 13978116 arcarsenal said:
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In comment 13978111 SJGiant said:


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And declare my allegiance to the Evil Empire. Maybe I can get rid of the bad luck this team has befallen and switch some bad luck to the Yankees. If I burn my Mets hats and shirts, will the evil spirits leave this team? The curse has to be broken somehow.



It won't work.

You have to think about it rationally. After 50 years, can you really just flip a switch and root for someone else? How will you feel if by some sort of miracle, the Mets happen to be good 5 years from now? You'll probably want to root for them again. Then what?

And are you really going to have any sort of connection to the Yankees?

I'd love to do the same thing - I really would. But It just wouldn't feel the same.


1969 was such a special year. Underdogs for so long and then World Series champs. Even the 80s we had a run. Otherwise its a one year wonder and pain for the rest of the years. The Wilsons must have really have done something bad to deserve a curse like this.
Wilsons = Wilpons  
SJGiant : 5/29/2018 5:23 pm : link
Autocorrect error
Matt Harvey - 5 era / 4 starts - Jason Vargas - 10 era, 5 starts  
Eric on Li : 5/29/2018 5:32 pm : link
only with the Mets does any of this make sense. Harvey did plenty to force his way out of town, but at least he was throwing in the 90's and had a sliver of upside. Continuing to pitch Vargas like this is a combination of 90% justification of signing him and 10% desperation as a result of not having better depth options.

Can't they DFA Vargas and either someone claims him or he can try to get his stuff together in Vegas?
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