spent the 7th least among 32 NFL teams at outside linebacker. Casillas was the 15th highest paid 4-3 OLB. Robinson the 19th. Kennard 27th. You get what you pay for.
... Signing Casillas at $10 million for 3 years ($3 million guaranteed) and JT Thomas at $12 million for 3 years ($4.5 guaranteed), um, not that good.
Actually, forget hindsight. The signings were baffling at the time.
The numbers aren't bad. What's bad is that these guys were the only ones brought in. We had no good draft picks and no higher tier LBs in that group. A unit composed of JAGs and roster bubble guys. Totally goes underreported too. Spags had nothing to work with in the middle.
spent the 7th least among 32 NFL teams at outside linebacker. Casillas was the 15th highest paid 4-3 OLB. Robinson the 19th. Kennard 27th. You get what you pay for.
... Signing Casillas at $10 million for 3 years ($3 million guaranteed) and JT Thomas at $12 million for 3 years ($4.5 guaranteed), um, not that good.
Actually, forget hindsight. The signings were baffling at the time.
The numbers aren't bad. What's bad is that these guys were the only ones brought in. We had no good draft picks and no higher tier LBs in that group. A unit composed of JAGs and roster bubble guys. Totally goes underreported too. Spags had nothing to work with in the middle.
That was the offseason Reese lost me. Throw in big $$$ for Vereen and Dwayne Harris + whiffing on Brandon Graham and Devin McCourty - 2 current Pro Bowlers.
spent the 7th least among 32 NFL teams at outside linebacker. Casillas was the 15th highest paid 4-3 OLB. Robinson the 19th. Kennard 27th. You get what you pay for.
That's actually kinda high considering there are 64 starting OLB's in the NFL. Now if they were 50th, 51st, 52nd...
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spent the 7th least among 32 NFL teams at outside linebacker. Casillas was the 15th highest paid 4-3 OLB. Robinson the 19th. Kennard 27th. You get what you pay for.
That's actually kinda high considering there are 64 starting OLB's in the NFL. Now if they were 50th, 51st, 52nd...
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That was the offseason Reese lost me. Throw in big $$$ for Vereen and Dwayne Harris + whiffing on Brandon Graham and Devin McCourty - 2 current Pro Bowlers.
To be fair he threw huge offers at those two especially McCourty who I believe went back to NE for less than the Giants offered.
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That was the offseason Reese lost me. Throw in big $$$ for Vereen and Dwayne Harris + whiffing on Brandon Graham and Devin McCourty - 2 current Pro Bowlers.
To be fair he threw huge offers at those two especially McCourty who I believe went back to NE for less than the Giants offered.
Exactly. DG's approach to FA is very similar, but no one will admit that. You will always overspend in FA.
Not signing Brandon Graham a few years ago is not a whiff. Â
that's for damn sure, and those are only some of the FA tally under R&R, never mind his drafting acumen
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And we need to keep things like this in mind when evaluating the roster vis a vis other teams in the NFL.
This is probably characteristic of fan bases of most teams, but may be especially virulent here, the rites of spring draft/OTAs and fall Ex. season when ~ half of BBI are convinced we have a top 5 O or a top 5 D. This has been particularly perplexing in light of the mediocrity since 2011 season...that's a long stretch (ok, throw in 2016 as outlier).
RE: Not signing Brandon Graham a few years ago is not a whiff. Â
McCourtey and Graham took with New England and Philly... would have been two huge impact players for this team... they were not going to make the same mistakes in 2016 when they went above and beyond to get OV, JackRabbit and Snacks
That killed us, it's the draft bombs and poor OL scouting and poor FA choices. I still go back to keeping Linval over signing DRC. That was a colossal mistake on several levels.
That killed us, it's the draft bombs and poor OL scouting and poor FA choices. I still go back to keeping Linval over signing DRC. That was a colossal mistake on several levels.
Reese is still Unsigned as well. Lol . He was a horrible GM. Arrogant and myopic. Promoted one level above his ability.
... Signing Casillas at $10 million for 3 years ($3 million guaranteed) and JT Thomas at $12 million for 3 years ($4.5 guaranteed), um, not that good.
Actually, forget hindsight. The signings were baffling at the time.
The numbers aren't bad. What's bad is that these guys were the only ones brought in. We had no good draft picks and no higher tier LBs in that group. A unit composed of JAGs and roster bubble guys. Totally goes underreported too. Spags had nothing to work with in the middle.
That was the offseason Reese lost me. Throw in big $$$ for Vereen and Dwayne Harris + whiffing on Brandon Graham and Devin McCourty - 2 current Pro Bowlers.
As usual you guys a fucking clueless when it comes to salaries.
Vereen and Harris didn't get "big money" nor did any of these LBs.
We go through this every year. Who are all these LB's that they passed on in the draft. Who were all these LB's that were FA that were passed on
2009 - Nicks - better than both Laurenaitis and Mauluga. Sintim was a bad pick, only LB picked after him to Beatty had 11 less tackles than Sintim. After Beatty, drafted were c. brown, J. Williams, D. Levy. we bitch about Barden - only LB in round taken after him played 10 less NFL games. The 4th rd LB were terrible
Maybe in 2010 Reese should have drafted S. Weatherspoon instead of JPP in rd 1 or K. Misi or S Kindle - Linjo was/is a better player than any LB drafted after him except possibly S. Lee
Everyone missed on Bowman. Dillard was drafted in the 4th - go look at the other LB drafted after him - there is nothing
Clearly in 2011 Reese F'D up by not drafting V. Miller at 2 despite having the 19th pick.. After the Prince pick, next 2 LB were A. Ayers and B. Carter - huge misses clearly. Austin was a bad pick - only LB taken after him in 2nd - J. Mouton who actually accumulated 16 less tackles than Austin. Clearly missed on D. Moch, N. Irving, M. Wilson & K. Sheppard in the 3rd. Everyone missed on Houston. Foster & Dent are JAG's KJ Wright is a excellent player - there is nothing after him
2012 - Once again Reese f's up because he did not draft Keuchly at 9 while having pick 32. Wilson pick can be debated, but the next LB's taken in Upshaw and Branch have avg the stunning number of 1.1 tackles per game. L. David had all sorts of questions due to him weighing 218lbs. LB's taken after R. Randle - O.Vernon, D. Davis, S. Spence - thats it for rd 3. N. Bradham, K. Robinson, K. Wilbur, R. Lewis, M. Burris, J. Johnson - world beaters
2013 - After Pugh pick only LB in 1st picked was Ogletree, 12 picks later. I think Hankins is a better player than the LB's picked after him. D. Moore was looked at as a steal in the 3rd. Only LB drafted after him in rd - Z. Gooden. The rd 4 LB's - K. Green, S. Porter, G. hodges
2014 - OBJ - After Richburg, Who vast majority liked, was J. Attoachu. Only 1 LB drafted after Bromley in Rd - Borland, who retired after 14 games. 4th rd LB's - A. Hitchens, K. bradford, K. Fortt, P. Shembo
2015 - Flowers - we know the issues there, but no LB's were picked until 13 spots later. Collins is better than any LB drafted after him. We all thought Owa was a tremendous pick in the 3rd - didn't work
There was plenty to bitch about Reese, but this LB draft BS is not 1 of them
took less money to stay in new england so you cant really blame the giants for that,they definately pushed the price up the patriots paid him,they didnt plan on offering anything close to what they did before the giants attempted to sign him
patriots are starting to unravel because of brady and his obsession with alex guerro. BB was clearly ready to start jimmyg and trade brady, until he went behind BB back to kraft and got jimmyg traded before he could do it. things are broken in new england as a result this is probably why the giants managed to land solder this time when mccourty stayed the last time
as a miss. He rolled the red carpet for McCourty and missed. Not just Reese's fault but he's the GM and takes the heat for it.
With Solder, the Pats had no interest at the price we paid. But I think, for us, it's $$$ well spent. His leadership and potential to reset Eli's internal clock and improve both T spots is almost priceless to our current situation.
We go through this every year. Who are all these LB's that they passed on in the draft. Who were all these LB's that were FA that were passed on
2009 - Nicks - better than both Laurenaitis and Mauluga. Sintim was a bad pick, only LB picked after him to Beatty had 11 less tackles than Sintim. After Beatty, drafted were c. brown, J. Williams, D. Levy. we bitch about Barden - only LB in round taken after him played 10 less NFL games. The 4th rd LB were terrible
Maybe in 2010 Reese should have drafted S. Weatherspoon instead of JPP in rd 1 or K. Misi or S Kindle - Linjo was/is a better player than any LB drafted after him except possibly S. Lee
Everyone missed on Bowman. Dillard was drafted in the 4th - go look at the other LB drafted after him - there is nothing
Clearly in 2011 Reese F'D up by not drafting V. Miller at 2 despite having the 19th pick.. After the Prince pick, next 2 LB were A. Ayers and B. Carter - huge misses clearly. Austin was a bad pick - only LB taken after him in 2nd - J. Mouton who actually accumulated 16 less tackles than Austin. Clearly missed on D. Moch, N. Irving, M. Wilson & K. Sheppard in the 3rd. Everyone missed on Houston. Foster & Dent are JAG's KJ Wright is a excellent player - there is nothing after him
2012 - Once again Reese f's up because he did not draft Keuchly at 9 while having pick 32. Wilson pick can be debated, but the next LB's taken in Upshaw and Branch have avg the stunning number of 1.1 tackles per game. L. David had all sorts of questions due to him weighing 218lbs. LB's taken after R. Randle - O.Vernon, D. Davis, S. Spence - thats it for rd 3. N. Bradham, K. Robinson, K. Wilbur, R. Lewis, M. Burris, J. Johnson - world beaters
2013 - After Pugh pick only LB in 1st picked was Ogletree, 12 picks later. I think Hankins is a better player than the LB's picked after him. D. Moore was looked at as a steal in the 3rd. Only LB drafted after him in rd - Z. Gooden. The rd 4 LB's - K. Green, S. Porter, G. hodges
2014 - OBJ - After Richburg, Who vast majority liked, was J. Attoachu. Only 1 LB drafted after Bromley in Rd - Borland, who retired after 14 games. 4th rd LB's - A. Hitchens, K. bradford, K. Fortt, P. Shembo
2015 - Flowers - we know the issues there, but no LB's were picked until 13 spots later. Collins is better than any LB drafted after him. We all thought Owa was a tremendous pick in the 3rd - didn't work
There was plenty to bitch about Reese, but this LB draft BS is not 1 of them
This post is crazy. Nice detail and all, but it is full of excuses. Of course there were LBs to take in almost every one of these drafts better than the players we wound up with in certain rounds.
Do you really want me to name names, or do you want to go back and do some more research?
Its not that there were a player or two that went undrafted. Its that the position itself was ignored. Its not missing out on one or two opportunities. Its never giving yourself any opportunities in the first place.
We go through this every year. Who are all these LB's that they passed on in the draft. Who were all these LB's that were FA that were passed on
2009 - Nicks - better than both Laurenaitis and Mauluga. Sintim was a bad pick, only LB picked after him to Beatty had 11 less tackles than Sintim. After Beatty, drafted were c. brown, J. Williams, D. Levy. we bitch about Barden - only LB in round taken after him played 10 less NFL games. The 4th rd LB were terrible
Maybe in 2010 Reese should have drafted S. Weatherspoon instead of JPP in rd 1 or K. Misi or S Kindle - Linjo was/is a better player than any LB drafted after him except possibly S. Lee
Everyone missed on Bowman. Dillard was drafted in the 4th - go look at the other LB drafted after him - there is nothing
Clearly in 2011 Reese F'D up by not drafting V. Miller at 2 despite having the 19th pick.. After the Prince pick, next 2 LB were A. Ayers and B. Carter - huge misses clearly. Austin was a bad pick - only LB taken after him in 2nd - J. Mouton who actually accumulated 16 less tackles than Austin. Clearly missed on D. Moch, N. Irving, M. Wilson & K. Sheppard in the 3rd. Everyone missed on Houston. Foster & Dent are JAG's KJ Wright is a excellent player - there is nothing after him
2012 - Once again Reese f's up because he did not draft Keuchly at 9 while having pick 32. Wilson pick can be debated, but the next LB's taken in Upshaw and Branch have avg the stunning number of 1.1 tackles per game. L. David had all sorts of questions due to him weighing 218lbs. LB's taken after R. Randle - O.Vernon, D. Davis, S. Spence - thats it for rd 3. N. Bradham, K. Robinson, K. Wilbur, R. Lewis, M. Burris, J. Johnson - world beaters
2013 - After Pugh pick only LB in 1st picked was Ogletree, 12 picks later. I think Hankins is a better player than the LB's picked after him. D. Moore was looked at as a steal in the 3rd. Only LB drafted after him in rd - Z. Gooden. The rd 4 LB's - K. Green, S. Porter, G. hodges
2014 - OBJ - After Richburg, Who vast majority liked, was J. Attoachu. Only 1 LB drafted after Bromley in Rd - Borland, who retired after 14 games. 4th rd LB's - A. Hitchens, K. bradford, K. Fortt, P. Shembo
2015 - Flowers - we know the issues there, but no LB's were picked until 13 spots later. Collins is better than any LB drafted after him. We all thought Owa was a tremendous pick in the 3rd - didn't work
There was plenty to bitch about Reese, but this LB draft BS is not 1 of them
He hated wasting picks on LB. passed on. Bobby Wagner for Wilson. Wagner is still a stud. Funny how you skipped one of the best. Levonte David as well in the same draft regardless of your critiques went soon after Wilson. Sean Lee was worth the spot but he let Barry Coefiled walk and drafted Joseph. The. He let LinJo for a lot less than he signed Snacks for. Just because Snacks is great doesn’t absolve him from letting another great player walk. Sure you can’t slam him for every miss but his work as a whole as a GM constantly left major holes all
Over the roster he was always plugging up w expensive FA signings.
. He didn’t believe in using high pick on that spot except for Sintim I feel that tell you about how clueless he was when it comes to LB scouting.
Every othet GM can find WRs later in the draft. Same w athletes before football players. Last year There was a parade of fans here swore there wasn’t a LT or T available at 25. Engram May be a great player but it’s the same. Both Cam Robinson and Ramczyk were worth it there. Passed. Just like he did on Wagner. Just like he did when he grabbed Sintim and passed on Max Unger.
When the vast majority of your premium picks in Rounds 1 through 3 are almost always DL WR CBs there are bound to be holes. I don’t kill him for sucking on LBs. I kill him for his shitty drafting period. LB is just one area he was misguided or inept.
and ultimately it was his biggest downfall. He was late to dance in rebuilding the Oline and then failed to achieve it with the investments he ultimately made/forced.
Linebacker was basically ignored with the hubris that they won that second SuperBowl with jags. Still recall that statement he mentioned several times to media "name the linebackers we had when we won it all..." Idiotic.
There were plenty of LBs to take in those drafts the poster lists above. Reese & Co. either didn't know how to scout them or didn't really ever want them.
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and ultimately it was his biggest downfall. He was late to dance in rebuilding the Oline and then failed to achieve it with the investments he ultimately made/forced.
Linebacker was basically ignored with the hubris that they won that second SuperBowl with jags. Still recall that statement he mentioned several times to media "name the linebackers we had when we won it all..." Idiotic.
There were plenty of LBs to take in those drafts the poster lists above. Reese & Co. either didn't know how to scout them or didn't really ever want them.
Reese, for better or worse, valued the Dline and 2ndary over LBs.
Sure he did, but it wasn't like he was great at drafting DL and CBs Â
Otherwise he wouldn't have had to spend a fortune on DRC, Jenkins, Snacks and Vernon.
generally, he blew at drafting...
Yes he did. A few months back, one poster found an exhaustive statistical analysis about GMs and all their picks, rounds, production, etc. Reese was in the bottom 10%.
Most comical were the typical Giant Police Force Â
that would come out on BBI to defend Reese's honor with everybody has hits and misses, who should we have picked otherwise, his picks won 2 SuperBowls, etc.
The last 2 played well year 1.
The last 2 played well year 1.
Not surprising, but pretty damning.
Good point.
And we need to keep things like this in mind when evaluating the roster vis a vis other teams in the NFL.
Darkwa at least has an excuse (surgery). But Shane Vereen is still unsigned too.
Nor Rueben Randle.
Actually, forget hindsight. The signings were baffling at the time.
It is for worthless crap.
Actually, forget hindsight. The signings were baffling at the time.
we got taken...
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... Signing Casillas at $10 million for 3 years ($3 million guaranteed) and JT Thomas at $12 million for 3 years ($4.5 guaranteed), um, not that good.
Actually, forget hindsight. The signings were baffling at the time.
The numbers aren't bad. What's bad is that these guys were the only ones brought in. We had no good draft picks and no higher tier LBs in that group. A unit composed of JAGs and roster bubble guys. Totally goes underreported too. Spags had nothing to work with in the middle.
That was the offseason Reese lost me. Throw in big $$$ for Vereen and Dwayne Harris + whiffing on Brandon Graham and Devin McCourty - 2 current Pro Bowlers.
That's actually kinda high considering there are 64 starting OLB's in the NFL. Now if they were 50th, 51st, 52nd...
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spent the 7th least among 32 NFL teams at outside linebacker. Casillas was the 15th highest paid 4-3 OLB. Robinson the 19th. Kennard 27th. You get what you pay for.
That's actually kinda high considering there are 64 starting OLB's in the NFL. Now if they were 50th, 51st, 52nd...
Again, talking about OLBs in 4-3 schemes only.
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That was the offseason Reese lost me. Throw in big $$$ for Vereen and Dwayne Harris + whiffing on Brandon Graham and Devin McCourty - 2 current Pro Bowlers.
To be fair he threw huge offers at those two especially McCourty who I believe went back to NE for less than the Giants offered.
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That was the offseason Reese lost me. Throw in big $$$ for Vereen and Dwayne Harris + whiffing on Brandon Graham and Devin McCourty - 2 current Pro Bowlers.
To be fair he threw huge offers at those two especially McCourty who I believe went back to NE for less than the Giants offered.
Exactly. DG's approach to FA is very similar, but no one will admit that. You will always overspend in FA.
Are you joking???
Actually, forget hindsight. The signings were baffling at the time.
uh-huh. Smart teams find guys like this on the cheap...Reese was giving them their only NFL paydays.
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Are you joking???
Are you? What kind of player do you think Graham is? This past season is the only year he's ever had more than 6 sacks.
Actually, forget hindsight. The signings were baffling at the time.
Would have been better off signing one real LB with those two contracts combined (3 years 22 mil)
Keenan Robinson
Kevin Sheppard
during the season, they were starters.....can't find jobs.....so how in the world is Herz still on this roster?
Reese is still Unsigned as well. Lol . He was a horrible GM. Arrogant and myopic. Promoted one level above his ability.
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... Signing Casillas at $10 million for 3 years ($3 million guaranteed) and JT Thomas at $12 million for 3 years ($4.5 guaranteed), um, not that good.
Actually, forget hindsight. The signings were baffling at the time.
The numbers aren't bad. What's bad is that these guys were the only ones brought in. We had no good draft picks and no higher tier LBs in that group. A unit composed of JAGs and roster bubble guys. Totally goes underreported too. Spags had nothing to work with in the middle.
That was the offseason Reese lost me. Throw in big $$$ for Vereen and Dwayne Harris + whiffing on Brandon Graham and Devin McCourty - 2 current Pro Bowlers.
As usual you guys a fucking clueless when it comes to salaries.
Vereen and Harris didn't get "big money" nor did any of these LBs.
This isn't 2005.
2009 - Nicks - better than both Laurenaitis and Mauluga. Sintim was a bad pick, only LB picked after him to Beatty had 11 less tackles than Sintim. After Beatty, drafted were c. brown, J. Williams, D. Levy. we bitch about Barden - only LB in round taken after him played 10 less NFL games. The 4th rd LB were terrible
Maybe in 2010 Reese should have drafted S. Weatherspoon instead of JPP in rd 1 or K. Misi or S Kindle - Linjo was/is a better player than any LB drafted after him except possibly S. Lee
Everyone missed on Bowman. Dillard was drafted in the 4th - go look at the other LB drafted after him - there is nothing
Clearly in 2011 Reese F'D up by not drafting V. Miller at 2 despite having the 19th pick.. After the Prince pick, next 2 LB were A. Ayers and B. Carter - huge misses clearly. Austin was a bad pick - only LB taken after him in 2nd - J. Mouton who actually accumulated 16 less tackles than Austin. Clearly missed on D. Moch, N. Irving, M. Wilson & K. Sheppard in the 3rd. Everyone missed on Houston. Foster & Dent are JAG's KJ Wright is a excellent player - there is nothing after him
2012 - Once again Reese f's up because he did not draft Keuchly at 9 while having pick 32. Wilson pick can be debated, but the next LB's taken in Upshaw and Branch have avg the stunning number of 1.1 tackles per game. L. David had all sorts of questions due to him weighing 218lbs. LB's taken after R. Randle - O.Vernon, D. Davis, S. Spence - thats it for rd 3. N. Bradham, K. Robinson, K. Wilbur, R. Lewis, M. Burris, J. Johnson - world beaters
2013 - After Pugh pick only LB in 1st picked was Ogletree, 12 picks later. I think Hankins is a better player than the LB's picked after him. D. Moore was looked at as a steal in the 3rd. Only LB drafted after him in rd - Z. Gooden. The rd 4 LB's - K. Green, S. Porter, G. hodges
2014 - OBJ - After Richburg, Who vast majority liked, was J. Attoachu. Only 1 LB drafted after Bromley in Rd - Borland, who retired after 14 games. 4th rd LB's - A. Hitchens, K. bradford, K. Fortt, P. Shembo
2015 - Flowers - we know the issues there, but no LB's were picked until 13 spots later. Collins is better than any LB drafted after him. We all thought Owa was a tremendous pick in the 3rd - didn't work
There was plenty to bitch about Reese, but this LB draft BS is not 1 of them
patriots are starting to unravel because of brady and his obsession with alex guerro. BB was clearly ready to start jimmyg and trade brady, until he went behind BB back to kraft and got jimmyg traded before he could do it. things are broken in new england as a result this is probably why the giants managed to land solder this time when mccourty stayed the last time
With Solder, the Pats had no interest at the price we paid. But I think, for us, it's $$$ well spent. His leadership and potential to reset Eli's internal clock and improve both T spots is almost priceless to our current situation.
2009 - Nicks - better than both Laurenaitis and Mauluga. Sintim was a bad pick, only LB picked after him to Beatty had 11 less tackles than Sintim. After Beatty, drafted were c. brown, J. Williams, D. Levy. we bitch about Barden - only LB in round taken after him played 10 less NFL games. The 4th rd LB were terrible
Maybe in 2010 Reese should have drafted S. Weatherspoon instead of JPP in rd 1 or K. Misi or S Kindle - Linjo was/is a better player than any LB drafted after him except possibly S. Lee
Everyone missed on Bowman. Dillard was drafted in the 4th - go look at the other LB drafted after him - there is nothing
Clearly in 2011 Reese F'D up by not drafting V. Miller at 2 despite having the 19th pick.. After the Prince pick, next 2 LB were A. Ayers and B. Carter - huge misses clearly. Austin was a bad pick - only LB taken after him in 2nd - J. Mouton who actually accumulated 16 less tackles than Austin. Clearly missed on D. Moch, N. Irving, M. Wilson & K. Sheppard in the 3rd. Everyone missed on Houston. Foster & Dent are JAG's KJ Wright is a excellent player - there is nothing after him
2012 - Once again Reese f's up because he did not draft Keuchly at 9 while having pick 32. Wilson pick can be debated, but the next LB's taken in Upshaw and Branch have avg the stunning number of 1.1 tackles per game. L. David had all sorts of questions due to him weighing 218lbs. LB's taken after R. Randle - O.Vernon, D. Davis, S. Spence - thats it for rd 3. N. Bradham, K. Robinson, K. Wilbur, R. Lewis, M. Burris, J. Johnson - world beaters
2013 - After Pugh pick only LB in 1st picked was Ogletree, 12 picks later. I think Hankins is a better player than the LB's picked after him. D. Moore was looked at as a steal in the 3rd. Only LB drafted after him in rd - Z. Gooden. The rd 4 LB's - K. Green, S. Porter, G. hodges
2014 - OBJ - After Richburg, Who vast majority liked, was J. Attoachu. Only 1 LB drafted after Bromley in Rd - Borland, who retired after 14 games. 4th rd LB's - A. Hitchens, K. bradford, K. Fortt, P. Shembo
2015 - Flowers - we know the issues there, but no LB's were picked until 13 spots later. Collins is better than any LB drafted after him. We all thought Owa was a tremendous pick in the 3rd - didn't work
There was plenty to bitch about Reese, but this LB draft BS is not 1 of them
This post is crazy. Nice detail and all, but it is full of excuses. Of course there were LBs to take in almost every one of these drafts better than the players we wound up with in certain rounds.
Do you really want me to name names, or do you want to go back and do some more research?
2009 - Nicks - better than both Laurenaitis and Mauluga. Sintim was a bad pick, only LB picked after him to Beatty had 11 less tackles than Sintim. After Beatty, drafted were c. brown, J. Williams, D. Levy. we bitch about Barden - only LB in round taken after him played 10 less NFL games. The 4th rd LB were terrible
Maybe in 2010 Reese should have drafted S. Weatherspoon instead of JPP in rd 1 or K. Misi or S Kindle - Linjo was/is a better player than any LB drafted after him except possibly S. Lee
Everyone missed on Bowman. Dillard was drafted in the 4th - go look at the other LB drafted after him - there is nothing
Clearly in 2011 Reese F'D up by not drafting V. Miller at 2 despite having the 19th pick.. After the Prince pick, next 2 LB were A. Ayers and B. Carter - huge misses clearly. Austin was a bad pick - only LB taken after him in 2nd - J. Mouton who actually accumulated 16 less tackles than Austin. Clearly missed on D. Moch, N. Irving, M. Wilson & K. Sheppard in the 3rd. Everyone missed on Houston. Foster & Dent are JAG's KJ Wright is a excellent player - there is nothing after him
2012 - Once again Reese f's up because he did not draft Keuchly at 9 while having pick 32. Wilson pick can be debated, but the next LB's taken in Upshaw and Branch have avg the stunning number of 1.1 tackles per game. L. David had all sorts of questions due to him weighing 218lbs. LB's taken after R. Randle - O.Vernon, D. Davis, S. Spence - thats it for rd 3. N. Bradham, K. Robinson, K. Wilbur, R. Lewis, M. Burris, J. Johnson - world beaters
2013 - After Pugh pick only LB in 1st picked was Ogletree, 12 picks later. I think Hankins is a better player than the LB's picked after him. D. Moore was looked at as a steal in the 3rd. Only LB drafted after him in rd - Z. Gooden. The rd 4 LB's - K. Green, S. Porter, G. hodges
2014 - OBJ - After Richburg, Who vast majority liked, was J. Attoachu. Only 1 LB drafted after Bromley in Rd - Borland, who retired after 14 games. 4th rd LB's - A. Hitchens, K. bradford, K. Fortt, P. Shembo
2015 - Flowers - we know the issues there, but no LB's were picked until 13 spots later. Collins is better than any LB drafted after him. We all thought Owa was a tremendous pick in the 3rd - didn't work
There was plenty to bitch about Reese, but this LB draft BS is not 1 of them
He hated wasting picks on LB. passed on. Bobby Wagner for Wilson. Wagner is still a stud. Funny how you skipped one of the best. Levonte David as well in the same draft regardless of your critiques went soon after Wilson. Sean Lee was worth the spot but he let Barry Coefiled walk and drafted Joseph. The. He let LinJo for a lot less than he signed Snacks for. Just because Snacks is great doesn’t absolve him from letting another great player walk. Sure you can’t slam him for every miss but his work as a whole as a GM constantly left major holes all
Over the roster he was always plugging up w expensive FA signings.
. He didn’t believe in using high pick on that spot except for Sintim I feel that tell you about how clueless he was when it comes to LB scouting.
Every othet GM can find WRs later in the draft. Same w athletes before football players. Last year There was a parade of fans here swore there wasn’t a LT or T available at 25. Engram May be a great player but it’s the same. Both Cam Robinson and Ramczyk were worth it there. Passed. Just like he did on Wagner. Just like he did when he grabbed Sintim and passed on Max Unger.
When the vast majority of your premium picks in Rounds 1 through 3 are almost always DL WR CBs there are bound to be holes. I don’t kill him for sucking on LBs. I kill him for his shitty drafting period. LB is just one area he was misguided or inept.
Linebacker was basically ignored with the hubris that they won that second SuperBowl with jags. Still recall that statement he mentioned several times to media "name the linebackers we had when we won it all..." Idiotic.
There were plenty of LBs to take in those drafts the poster lists above. Reese & Co. either didn't know how to scout them or didn't really ever want them.
Linebacker was basically ignored with the hubris that they won that second SuperBowl with jags. Still recall that statement he mentioned several times to media "name the linebackers we had when we won it all..." Idiotic.
There were plenty of LBs to take in those drafts the poster lists above. Reese & Co. either didn't know how to scout them or didn't really ever want them.
Reese, for better or worse, valued the Dline and 2ndary over LBs.
Otherwise he wouldn't have had to spend a fortune on DRC, Jenkins, Snacks and Vernon.
generally, he blew at drafting...
Otherwise he wouldn't have had to spend a fortune on DRC, Jenkins, Snacks and Vernon.
generally, he blew at drafting...
Yes he did. A few months back, one poster found an exhaustive statistical analysis about GMs and all their picks, rounds, production, etc. Reese was in the bottom 10%.
just crap...
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... Signing Casillas at $10 million for 3 years ($3 million guaranteed) and JT Thomas at $12 million for 3 years ($4.5 guaranteed), um, not that good.
Actually, forget hindsight. The signings were baffling at the time.
uh-huh. Smart teams find guys like this on the cheap...Reese was giving them their only NFL paydays.
I feel like I'm in a bizarro world. You guys actually think those salaries are "paydays"?? What the fuck?