NFT: Orioles at Mets Game 1

Against this bum ass pitcher

Would be nice to see him go deeper but you gotta understand the hook with as bad as the offense has been.

In comment 13984313 ZGiants98 said:

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Would be nice to see him go deeper but you gotta understand the hook with as bad as the offense has been.

our pen isn't any better s o no point with the hook

look like Satchel Paige

"With Montgomery lost for the season, it reinforces the belief the Yankees will look to add a starting pitcher before the trade deadline. They already needed another pitcher due to inconsistent starts from some of the arms in their rotation."

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In comment 13984313 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Would be nice to see him go deeper but you gotta understand the hook with as bad as the offense has been. our pen isn't any better s o no point with the hook

The pen added two major pieces tonight. It's much better.

against a pitcher with a near 7 ERA.

In comment 13984359 PhiPsi125 said:

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against a pitcher with a near 7 ERA.

The Mets are a bad team. They just aren’t good

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In comment 13984359 PhiPsi125 said: Quote: against a pitcher with a near 7 ERA. The Mets are a bad team. They just aren’t good

Bats are just ice cold. I mean, it’s only June 5th.

Talking about sending Conforto down ?

So disappointed with him this season

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Talking about sending Conforto down ? So disappointed with him this season

Can we send down the rest of the team also?

Citi Field sounds like a ghost town. Few fans there booing the team all night.Mets 16-30 in their last 46. It’s only June 5th.

#firealderson #lgmforever

therefore no offense.

DFA Jay Bruce

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Talking about sending Conforto down ? So disappointed with him this season

When you start talking about sending Bruce down.

And they don’t have shit in the minors to help

I had a feeling all offseason the offense would be the problem this year and that it would be average at best but wow..... The starting pitching has rounded into shape. Bullpen just got healthy. We just cant fucking score. Everybody is cold. Everybody is having a down season. Even Nimmo and Cabrera seem to have gone cold now.

Unfuckingbelievable.

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In comment 13984368 Rory said: Quote: Talking about sending Conforto down ? So disappointed with him this season Can we send down the rest of the team also?

Do we really play Yankees 4 times this weekend ? Oh god

Can’t wait to hear how the Mets should trade Degrom to NY 300 fucking times this weekend

First half of 2015 and for stretches last year. Which is why it was so insane to essentially bring back the same cast of characters

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and it's been the same story for each of the last bunch of years. Mostly bad hitting for the first of every season. Then 2 years they got lucky and caught lightning in a bottle. The problem is they have no consistent strengths - defense shows up every game, they don't care about that much. Contact and speed are consistent and they don't care much about players like that either. Homeruns are sporadic and that's what they're built around. And injury prone players.

Sidenote: not that it matters much, but how did Callaway not pinch run Reyes for Bruce in the 9th? I'm getting close to saying they should can him and bring back Terry to try to spark a 2nd half run. Seriously. Might as well give the next GM a clean slate and try to salvage the season somehow.

Fuck all of them. If you looked at the offense heading in those are your three guys that should have at least carried you somewhat, especially if Conforto's shoulder was healthy.

Cespedes is getting paid 25 fucking million dollars every year. Bruce is coming off a fine year and just got paid. Conforto was our only all star last year and was the guy we were supposed to build around.

Holy shit..

Bruce and Cespedes, earning a combined $40 (?) mil should be squarely in the cross-hairs.

In comment 13984390 ZGiants98 said:

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Fuck all of them. If you looked at the offense heading in those are your three guys that should have at least carried you somewhat, especially if Conforto's shoulder was healthy. Cespedes is getting paid 25 fucking million dollars every year. Bruce is coming off a fine year and just got paid. Conforto was our only all star last year and was the guy we were supposed to build around. Holy shit..

That's all fair, the only guy who deserves a slight break is Conforto since he was coming off a major surgery. I've always thought of Bruce as a pretty reliable slugger but there's no excuse for his performance this year. Cespedes I don't know who or what to blame. He never really had injuries before coming here. Just unlucky like they were with Wright.

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In comment 13984390 ZGiants98 said: Quote: Fuck all of them. If you looked at the offense heading in those are your three guys that should have at least carried you somewhat, especially if Conforto's shoulder was healthy. Cespedes is getting paid 25 fucking million dollars every year. Bruce is coming off a fine year and just got paid. Conforto was our only all star last year and was the guy we were supposed to build around. Holy shit.. That's all fair, the only guy who deserves a slight break is Conforto since he was coming off a major surgery. I've always thought of Bruce as a pretty reliable slugger but there's no excuse for his performance this year. Cespedes I don't know who or what to blame. He never really had injuries before coming here. Just unlucky like they were with Wright.

I just feel when times are tough you have to lean on your main guys and those are the three you would point to and they are killing us right now. Yes, we thought the offense might get better later in the year if Rosario improved and maybe somebody like Smith took over 1B... Yes Frazier and Cabrera should chip in even though they are more secondary players... But man... Our core has been downright awful this year or hurt once again. I dont know if Conforto should get a pass or not anymore. He fell off a cliff at times in 2016 too so part of me thinks this is just one really long prolonged slump. Either way, if he's been medically cleared he needs to get his shit together or go to Vegas. Im sick of it. We are a third of a way through the season and the pitching seems to have finally gotten it together. This is brutal.

In comment 13984395 Knineteen said:

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Bruce and Cespedes, earning a combined $40 (?) mil should be squarely in the cross-hairs.

This is Conforto's third season. He already broke out and proved what he's capable of last year. He's also the highest draft pick of the entire Sandy era until yesterday. No excuses. Thor and deGrom are on rookie contracts making less than Vargas but nobody is excusing them if they suddenly went to shit.

Conforto - major shoulder surgery
Cespedes - has been injury prone for the previous 2 years

Not saying there were easy answers or alternatives. Just that knowing the flaws with those 2, not to mention Nimmo/Lagares as depth, Bruce wasn't a great choice to go multi-year with. Frasier made a lot more sense even though he hasn't lit the world on fire either.

The scary thing is that even worse than what's on the field Callaway looks in over his head.

out of players when the team commits to them.

Callaway was supposed to change the culture but same old same old.

I have been a fan for over fifty years and will always remain a fan but man they can be hard to root for at times. This current team is just not very fun to root for and it goes beyond the losing. The George Bamberger managed teams were awful but there were likable players who still made it fun to watch them and root for them. Other than Nimo and deGrom nobody currently really falls into that category for me on this team.

Things will look differently if they put together a little win streak but watching this team night in; night out is tough right now.

But put me in the camp that doesnt think managers have much of an effect on wins and losses in the grand scheme of things. It's on the players and most of them have sucked this year.

The pitching has rounded into shape now so I just dont really know what we would have done with the Bruce money. Nimmo and Lagares have always been injury prone also so not having Bruce right now doesnt really solve anything. Lagares still gets injured and Nimmo still has gotten a shit ton of playing time regardless because Cespedes is always out. If Bruce is hitting right now, the thought process works out great and he might even have replaced AGone at 1B.

I guess we could have gone after a long term 1B or re-signed Duda but with Smith/Alonso on the horizon and Bruce's ability to play some 1B Im not sure I can fault Sandy on that one either.

would you guys recommended at Citi Field as far as bang for your buck goes?

My dad has had a really rough year, my gram died unexpectedly a couple months ago and he still isn't climbing out of the funk he's in, I want to take him to citi field on friday or saturday and get real good seats, just not sure which ones are the best value and what each club area includes.

Thanks

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would you guys recommended at Citi Field as far as bang for your buck goes? My dad has had a really rough year, my gram died unexpectedly a couple months ago and he still isn't climbing out of the funk he's in, I want to take him to citi field on friday or saturday and get real good seats, just not sure which ones are the best value and what each club area includes. Thanks

Can't help you with seat advice but sorry for your loss.

In comment 13984406 steve in ky said:

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out of players when the team commits to them. Callaway was supposed to change the culture but same old same old. I have been a fan for over fifty years and will always remain a fan but man they can be hard to root for at times. This current team is just not very fun to root for and it goes beyond the losing. The George Bamberger managed teams were awful but there were likable players who still made it fun to watch them and root for them. Other than Nimo and deGrom nobody currently really falls into that category for me on this team. Things will look differently if they put together a little win streak but watching this team night in; night out is tough right now.

Team definitely needs a spark. I still like the roster if they get Cespedes and Thor back this weekend (Thor is now confirmed). Baseball just sucks sometimes. Everybody is pressing and trying too hard. The mental part of the game can just be brutal. One guy heating up though can take the pressure off everyone and the floodgates can open in a second. It's such a slog having to go through this though.

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would you guys recommended at Citi Field as far as bang for your buck goes? My dad has had a really rough year, my gram died unexpectedly a couple months ago and he still isn't climbing out of the funk he's in, I want to take him to citi field on friday or saturday and get real good seats, just not sure which ones are the best value and what each club area includes. Thanks

Mook, the seats you’re looking for are above my pay grade, but there’s no real autopsies with the Citi field layout so you can probably just go on stubhub and get the expensive seats that are in the center in the field level and close to the field and you’ll do great.

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would you guys recommended at Citi Field as far as bang for your buck goes? My dad has had a really rough year, my gram died unexpectedly a couple months ago and he still isn't climbing out of the funk he's in, I want to take him to citi field on friday or saturday and get real good seats, just not sure which ones are the best value and what each club area includes. Thanks

Sorry for your loss. The link should explain the different club levels. I actually love going to the Porshe Grille for a 33 buck buffet. I think its a great deal. Especially if you are there during the day and want to do brunch. If the Delta 360 Sky club is on your ticket definitely check it out. All indoors but some really nice bars and lounges to duck out of the heat for a minute. There really are no bad seats IMO. Citifield is a beautiful park.
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and I think that's what the Mets curse is. They go into almost every season somewhere between slightly lacking what they need and extremely lacking, and that just puts a little bit more on the shoulders of every guy on the team. Guys who aren't usually the best in the first place. Case in point Mickey, rookie manager switching leagues, tough adjustment already, did they even give him an experienced hitting coach? No. They just promoted the assistant to the last guy.

In smaller markets with lower expectations, players and teams can overachieve because they're swinging easy. Like the first season of Seinfeld, they have some time to find their way when nobody is paying that much attention before getting canceled. The Mets are a modestly funded sitcom that debuts in primetime with retread actors or understudies filling most of the roles. And they air in the same time slot as game of thrones (the yankees).

but years ago I went to Shea often and it was generally easy to get some really good seat by finding and old timer selling tickets in one of the ticket booths and tipping him. Those guys used to always hold back a handful of good seats for just that purpose and they would take care of you if you took care of them.

Again may not work anymore though.

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would you guys recommended at Citi Field as far as bang for your buck goes? My dad has had a really rough year, my gram died unexpectedly a couple months ago and he still isn't climbing out of the funk he's in, I want to take him to citi field on friday or saturday and get real good seats, just not sure which ones are the best value and what each club area includes. Thanks

It's been a while since I've been there by my favorite bang for the buck seats were behind home plate in the level that is connected to one of the clubs (Delta I think). They have seat service to bring you whatever you want from the options in the ballpark (including shake shack), an indoor bar area if it rains, and I'm pretty sure nicer bathrooms + easier entry into the stadium. I've sat in a bunch of spots and that was my favorite.

Its all about confidence. I actually joked on MMO prior to the season we would get off to a very hot start with a fresh new manager...and buy in. Then they would completely hit the skids and struggle because of some injuries and adversity... players would press and it would get worse... we would teeter around .500.. then we get some players back and add a few sparks at the deadline and take off again.

Everybody shit on me because they said I basically repeated what happened in the 2015 season to a T and lacked imagination. If I can dig up the post in the archives I will because it's uncanny so far. lol.

In 2015, the Mets were never this bad and certainly not for this long. We were in first place for most of the first half of the season and when we fell out, we weren’t more than 2 or 3 games behind. Were never under .500 (except for 1 game). And never farther back than 2nd place. Things always felt worse because of that San Diego game Familia blew but it was never this bad. That pales in comparison to what we are going through now.

Now back to 2018, three games under .500 and free falling, 7 games out of first and in 4th place in the division. It might be better if we haven’t already seen how this story plays out, but we do. This season sucks. And it’s way worse than 2015.

And Cespedes can fuck off. Soft fucking player. If HE’S our clubhouse leader then it explains a lot.

Mets should check the tires

they were literally the same season. Just some parallels... fast start... lull in the middle and some injuries...fell below .500 for a bit... basically needed multiple sparks to take off again (Ces, KJ, Uribe, Reed, Conforto call-up, etc).

Let's hope it has a similar outcome as 2015 but that wasnt what I was trying to say.

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Mets should check the tires

Im good. He sucks.

For a little to help against lefties. Cut Reyes.

In comment 13984433 ZGiants98 said:

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they were literally the same season. Just some parallels... fast start... lull in the middle and some injuries...fell below .500 for a bit... basically needed multiple sparks to take off again (Ces, KJ, Uribe, Reed, Conforto call-up, etc). Let's hope it has a similar outcome as 2015 but that wasnt what I was trying to say.

Wasn’t really directed at you. I’ve heard this a number of times over the past month and I just don’t necessarily agree. And it’s hard to draw a parallel only two months into the season. The only thing that’s the same is the quick start. We slowed down after that start but still remained above .500 and competitive. They were only under .500 for one single game the entire season.

Clearly a similar outcome would be great, but it’s improbable. Even 2015 was lucky as hell for the Mets. Whatever, maybe at some point these Mets players will pick up their skirts and actually learn to hit again.

to make a spot for Daniel Murphy and pay him. He would have been a great player to build around but the organization caved to the dbag WFAN callers who wanted Zobrist for better defensive play. Then Zobrist signs back with the fucking Cubs and the Mets get Neil fucking walker

An holy shit look at the Nats right now with Matt Adams/Reynolds at 1b. What about Jeremy Hellickson with a 2.28 ERA for a minor league deal. When you have a winning team players buy into the game.

Something just isn't right at the top.

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Mets should check the tires

What tires?

how many times can we watch the middle of the order pop out with men on base before something changes?

Wheeler now has the 2nd best batting average of anyone in today's line-up for the Mets and the best average amongst our bench players is Mesoraco at .218

maybe one day they will catch Sandy's white whale - the 5 run homer.

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Wheeler now has the 2nd best batting average of anyone in today's line-up for the Mets and the best average amongst our bench players is Mesoraco at .218

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And luckily he had an easy 7th so they may be able to get him 1 more at bat in this one. The last 2 weeks has really been eerily similar to June 2015 when the starters literally had to do everything themselves.

In comment 13984199 fanofthejets said:

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They won't make a run with that dolt Callaway in the dugout. I'm ready to cut my losses right now with him.

Blaming the manager??? Casey Stengel couldn't win with this pathetic lineup! Since the 12-1 start the mets are 15 games under .500!

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In comment 13984406 steve in ky said: Quote: out of players when the team commits to them. Callaway was supposed to change the culture but same old same old. I have been a fan for over fifty years and will always remain a fan but man they can be hard to root for at times. This current team is just not very fun to root for and it goes beyond the losing. The George Bamberger managed teams were awful but there were likable players who still made it fun to watch them and root for them. Other than Nimo and deGrom nobody currently really falls into that category for me on this team. Things will look differently if they put together a little win streak but watching this team night in; night out is tough right now. Team definitely needs a spark. I still like the roster if they get Cespedes and Thor back this weekend (Thor is now confirmed). Baseball just sucks sometimes. Everybody is pressing and trying too hard. The mental part of the game can just be brutal. One guy heating up though can take the pressure off everyone and the floodgates can open in a second. It's such a slog having to go through this though.

The mets are the only team that makes a 2-0 lead seem insurmountable!!!