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NFT: Mets Minors 6/6/2018- Stink city returns

DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 7:39 am
AAA Laffey
AA Shaw
A+ Gibbons
A TBD
DSL1
DSL2

AAA
Kaczmarski 3-5, 2b, 3b, 2 k's
Evans 2-4, HR
Dom 2-5, K
Flexen 5.1 innings 10 hits 5 er 1 walk 7 k's
Hanhold 2 innings 1 hit 0 runs 1 walk 3 k's
Rhame 1 inning 2 hits 2 runs 0 walks 2 k's

AA
McNeil 2-5
Alonso 0-5, K
Mazeika 1-5
Tebow 1-4 2 k's
McGeorge 1 inning 3 hits 2 runs 1 walk 1 k
Uceta 1.2 innings 0 hits 0 runs 1 walk 4 k's
Bashlor 0.2 innings 1 hit 2 runs 2 walks 1 k
Ryan 0 innings 1 hit

A+
Gimenez 1-4, 2b, K
Paez 0-3, BB, 2 k's
Lindsay 0-3, K (.188 over his last 10)
Strom 0-3, K (.088 last 10 wow)


A
Gladu 1-4
Tiberi 0-3 (.345 slugg, yuck)
Sanchez 0-4, K (.200 last 10)
Vasquez 0-3, K
Winaker 1-3, HR, K
Brodey 0-3, 2 k's (.114 last 10)
Simon 5 innings 6 hits 0 er 0 walks 4 k's (nice outing)
Cobb 1 perfect 1 k
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Seidler  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 12:50 pm : link
is trashing the Mets lol
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DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 12:52 pm : link
Jarrett Seidler


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if you dont think the Mets care about winning at Brooklyn, you neednt look much further than how many high performing/low ceiling college kids they are popping even into the teens
RE: Seidler  
Eric on Li : 6/6/2018 12:56 pm : link
In comment 13984688 DanMetroMan said:
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is trashing the Mets lol


I saw him knocking them yesterday about drafting catchers but it made very little sense because I'd love to hear him articulate a strategy for finding good catchers. There are like 6 good catchers in all of baseball. Nobody can find good catchers because they barely exist.
Todays  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 12:59 pm : link
draft has been awful, no 2 ways around it. College relievers galore. Adolph could be an interesting sleeper in a 4th OF mold but really disappointing stuff today. Sandy and the scouting staff need to go.
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Mike in NY : 6/6/2018 1:00 pm : link
In comment 13984690 DanMetroMan said:
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Jarrett Seidler


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if you dont think the Mets care about winning at Brooklyn, you neednt look much further than how many high performing/low ceiling college kids they are popping even into the teens


They will sign and that is part of how St. Louis built their team - Matt Carpenter was a 13th Round College Senior
Toda'ys  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 1:03 pm : link
picks...

small HS pitcher expected to go MUCH later who tops off at 91 and is small, Adolph, back to back college relievers (one of which is about to be...24!!) and a local kid catcher who will surely be the Cyclones C #Upside
Not to mention  
Mike in NY : 6/6/2018 1:04 pm : link
Anything over $125K on a pick counts against the pool so the Mets may just be waiting out teams that are spending their budget first then negotiate from whose left
If  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 1:05 pm : link
you believe Jim Callis (while praising some of the Mets picks)... Hill, Gilliam, Montes De Oca, are all future relievers + 4 other college relievers they already took (Smith, Megill, Tripp, Mitchell)
RE: Not to mention  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 1:06 pm : link
In comment 13984701 Mike in NY said:
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Anything over $125K on a pick counts against the pool so the Mets may just be waiting out teams that are spending their budget first then negotiate from whose left


We shall see who else they take but they have yet to take a single player who is a ?? if he will sign. Not one.
RE: If  
Mike in NY : 6/6/2018 1:09 pm : link
In comment 13984702 DanMetroMan said:
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you believe Jim Callis (while praising some of the Mets picks)... Hill, Gilliam, Montes De Oca, are all future relievers + 4 other college relievers they already took (Smith, Megill, Tripp, Mitchell)


Smith and Hill I think will get a chance to start in the minors just because you need starters between Brooklyn, Kingsport, and Gulf Coast League. They might be relievers in the long term, but that happens. At least we are not targeting the glut of college relievers even before the senior signs/Day 3
LA Woodard  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 1:13 pm : link
another Cyclone pick. 165 pound HS SS who hit 1 HR this year... .356 slugg
RE: LA Woodard  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 1:14 pm : link
In comment 13984707 DanMetroMan said:
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another Cyclone pick. 165 pound HS SS who hit 1 HR this year... .356 slugg


Not HS... NCAA SS.
I have no idea about the players  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2018 1:14 pm : link
so I try not to criticize picks.

Back from 2012 and all years prior in recorded history, draft picks from rounds 11 - 20 had just an 11% chance of even reaching the major leagues.

Picks from round 20 - 40 have just a 7% chance.

Additionally, from 2000 - 2010 first round picks in the 6 - 10 range had a 65% chance of being busts. That's the first round picks #6 to pick #10.

Doesn't mean not to put your team in the best position to buck the odds, but at this point you're lamenting 7th round NFL draft picks.

these guys are likely never going to see Citifield unless they buy a ticket.
Looking at some of the high ranking players left  
Mike in NY : 6/6/2018 1:14 pm : link
Obviously not sure of their money demands, but if not astronomical some that I would try to make work are Kerry Wright, a RHP whose committment is to Lousiville, and redshirt Junior Jake Mangum
RE: I have no idea about the players  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13984709 pjcas18 said:
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so I try not to criticize picks.

Back from 2012 and all years prior in recorded history, draft picks from rounds 11 - 20 had just an 11% chance of even reaching the major leagues.

Picks from round 20 - 40 have just a 7% chance.

Additionally, from 2000 - 2010 first round picks in the 6 - 10 range had a 65% chance of being busts. That's the first round picks #6 to pick #10.

Doesn't mean not to put your team in the best position to buck the odds, but at this point you're lamenting 7th round NFL draft picks.

these guys are likely never going to see Citifield unless they buy a ticket.


College relievers are a bad bet. Nowhere to go from there. At least with SP there is a chance a move to the pen results in an uptick of stuff or less of a need for a 3rd pitch (or even command).
Lol  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 1:19 pm : link
LA Woodard, 1 HR... 50 k's in 202 ab's. Awful.
DMM I don't disagree  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2018 1:19 pm : link
but the stats I saw (bleacher report referencing a Cornell study with baseball reference and prospect watch data) didn't separate out positions.

So maybe a starting pitcher has more upside, but a reliever had a better chance of simply making the big leagues.

I guess it depends what you want.

Point is the 16th round MLB draft super star is about as rare as the franchise QB in round 5.
Woodard  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 1:19 pm : link
will be the new Champ Stuart lol
RE: DMM I don't disagree  
Mike in NY : 6/6/2018 1:22 pm : link
In comment 13984716 pjcas18 said:
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but the stats I saw (bleacher report referencing a Cornell study with baseball reference and prospect watch data) didn't separate out positions.

So maybe a starting pitcher has more upside, but a reliever had a better chance of simply making the big leagues.

I guess it depends what you want.

Point is the 16th round MLB draft super star is about as rare as the franchise QB in round 5.


Day 3, I would rather take a college reliever with 1 plus pitch versus a starter who is mediocre across the board
Alan  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 1:23 pm : link
Winans SP

23 in August, solid numbers at a small school
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17th Rounder is a college starter  
Mike in NY : 6/6/2018 1:25 pm : link
Albeit one who is about to turn 23 and really not much productivity
Day 3  
Mike in NY : 6/6/2018 1:30 pm : link
It is low level, but if the Mets are looking for signable guys, Jacob Blank of Augustana is a Senior and was the top DII pitcher in 2017
have they picked anyone who definitely projects overslot yet?  
Eric on Li : 6/6/2018 1:33 pm : link
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RE: have they picked anyone who definitely projects overslot yet?  
Mike in NY : 6/6/2018 1:40 pm : link
In comment 13984727 Eric on Li said:
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Not sure if they plan on going over $125K to Parra or going overslot to SWR, but otherwise nothing stands out to me. I think it was Shecky or Seth who criticized me for complaining about the lack of spending by the Mets on the draft
Mets just drafted a HS player  
Mike in NY : 6/6/2018 2:23 pm : link
Stop the presses!
it seems strange that they havent picked anyone tough to sign yet  
Eric on Li : 6/6/2018 2:27 pm : link
the cynic in me says they are back to their $ saving ways and basically just sticking to guys at or slightly under/over slot.
Mets taking HS guys now  
Mike in NY : 6/6/2018 2:56 pm : link
We'll see if they actually intend to tender contracts or it is just to make nice with people
RE: Mets taking HS guys now  
Eric on Li : 6/6/2018 2:58 pm : link
In comment 13984804 Mike in NY said:
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We'll see if they actually intend to tender contracts or it is just to make nice with people


any high profile ones? not that that's the end all be all, like you mentioned a hoarding strategy spreading around above slot dollars would be another way to go as long as they spend somewhere.
Parra  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 3:10 pm : link
as expected is signing
Hammer  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 3:18 pm : link
has a JC Commitment so he's likely signing Catawba Valley CC
Sorry  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 3:18 pm : link
a CC commitment
RE: Sorry  
Mike in NY : 6/6/2018 3:20 pm : link
In comment 13984828 DanMetroMan said:
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a CC commitment


That would make him draft eligible next year. In some ways I would rather a low level D1 program who lacks a track record of high picks than a CC
RE: RE: Mets taking HS guys now  
Mike in NY : 6/6/2018 3:21 pm : link
In comment 13984808 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 13984804 Mike in NY said:


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We'll see if they actually intend to tender contracts or it is just to make nice with people



any high profile ones? not that that's the end all be all, like you mentioned a hoarding strategy spreading around above slot dollars would be another way to go as long as they spend somewhere.


Not really high profile, although one is a 6'7" prep arm who was in BA's Top 500 that sounds somewhat intriguing, and another is from Brooklyn so maybe the lure of playing for a New York team might lead to the numbers working out
Sounds  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 3:29 pm : link
like Parra took under slot.
RE: Sounds  
Eric on Li : 6/6/2018 3:32 pm : link
In comment 13984842 DanMetroMan said:
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like Parra took under slot.


Great news. Now they can open the bar at Sterling Equities holiday party.
RE: Sounds  
Mike in NY : 6/6/2018 3:33 pm : link
In comment 13984842 DanMetroMan said:
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like Parra took under slot.


Slot is $125K and no savings that you can use elsewhere if you go under so not sure the point unless they were afraid someone would snatch him up and they had a number of other players they ranked similarly that they were not disappointed if went elsewhere
/  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 3:34 pm : link
Sharp sounds more interesting than some of the other players the Mets have taken today https://medium.com/minor-league-madhouse/mining-for-gold-the-outstanding-collegiate-talent-of-the-2018-mlb-draft-543a1556b344 #Mets
RE: /  
Mike in NY : 6/6/2018 3:45 pm : link
In comment 13984847 DanMetroMan said:
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Sharp sounds more interesting than some of the other players the Mets have taken today https://medium.com/minor-league-madhouse/mining-for-gold-the-outstanding-collegiate-talent-of-the-2018-mlb-draft-543a1556b344 #Mets


The progress made by our 24th Round pick (Senger) is interesting, but like Matt Duce last year I am not sure how readily he will sign being that Meyer and Capra will almost assuredly sign so he will be stuck behind both whereas as a Senior he may get less money but be a team's first catcher drafted
.  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 3:53 pm : link

Nathan Rode
@NathanRode
Another NC prep RHP off the board in Zachary Hammer. Catawba Valley CC recruit. 6-3, 170 has good stuff, but can be wild. CB is a power pitch and FB peaked at 92 this spring. #Mets #mlbdraft

2:24 PM - Jun 6, 2018
Sounds  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 3:55 pm : link
like a major project

Wow. Gonzalez is huge

Rank: 401

A big, 6-foot-7, 230-pound righthander, Gonzalez is an arm strength power pitcher with a fastball that has been up to 95-96 mph this spring. Scouts think that he can eventually throw in the upper 90s, but he has a long arm stroke and no breaking ball to speak of presently. During games this spring, Gonzalez pitched off of his fastball almost exclusively and would throw just one breaking ball in some looks. Hes also a below-average athlete. An Alabama State commit, Gonzalez is thought to be a tough sign, and while a team might bite on a future 70-grade fastball, it could be a tough sell without much in the way of secondary offerings.
That's why he fell to where he did  
Mike in NY : 6/6/2018 4:02 pm : link
That being said, if we have the money and it is going to go unused anyway I would take the gamble on getting him signed
RE: That's why he fell to where he did  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 4:47 pm : link
In comment 13984875 Mike in NY said:
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That being said, if we have the money and it is going to go unused anyway I would take the gamble on getting him signed


The poor athlete stuff is likely more of a turnoff than the breaking ball in all honesty.
Dan i asked this in the other thread  
Jay on the Island : 6/6/2018 4:52 pm : link
Do you think that someone will take a chance on Luke Heimlich or will he go undrafted?
RE: Dan i asked this in the other thread  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 5:06 pm : link
In comment 13984919 Jay on the Island said:
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Do you think that someone will take a chance on Luke Heimlich or will he go undrafted?


Undrafted. Keith Law laid out why... he tried hiding the fact this happened vs. being honest. Could have cost people their jobs.
RE: RE: Dan i asked this in the other thread  
Jay on the Island : 6/6/2018 5:08 pm : link
In comment 13984928 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 13984919 Jay on the Island said:


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Do you think that someone will take a chance on Luke Heimlich or will he go undrafted?



Undrafted. Keith Law laid out why... he tried hiding the fact this happened vs. being honest. Could have cost people their jobs.

Either way I didn't want the Braves to draft him or even sign him as an UDFA. There was a few tweets claiming that there were a couple of teams that might take a chance on him but I had a hard time believing it.
I wouldn't draft him with his past  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2018 5:10 pm : link
he's way worse than a guy with domestic violence history.

But I admire his maneuver.

He belongs  
Jay on the Island : 6/6/2018 5:17 pm : link
in Philadelphia.
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DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 5:27 pm : link
Jarrett Seidler


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I dont know how different the reaction to Luke Heimlich would be if he was repentant, an advocate for victims, not running a huge PR campaign that blows up an issue he claims he pled out to keep private, etc., but I do know it would be different.
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Jay on the Island : 6/6/2018 5:32 pm : link
In comment 13984944 DanMetroMan said:
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Jarrett Seidler


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I dont know how different the reaction to Luke Heimlich would be if he was repentant, an advocate for victims, not running a huge PR campaign that blows up an issue he claims he pled out to keep private, etc., but I do know it would be different.

I had no idea he was doing this. Wow that makes his action that much worse. He clearly has no remorse for what he has done and I wouldn't allow him in my franchise even if he was the next Clayton Kershaw.
Sandy  
XBRONX : 6/6/2018 5:45 pm : link
Alderson really sucks. When is he leaving?
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