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NFT: Mets Minors 6/6/2018- Stink city returns

DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 7:39 am
AAA Laffey
AA Shaw
A+ Gibbons
A TBD
DSL1
DSL2

AAA
Kaczmarski 3-5, 2b, 3b, 2 k's
Evans 2-4, HR
Dom 2-5, K
Flexen 5.1 innings 10 hits 5 er 1 walk 7 k's
Hanhold 2 innings 1 hit 0 runs 1 walk 3 k's
Rhame 1 inning 2 hits 2 runs 0 walks 2 k's

AA
McNeil 2-5
Alonso 0-5, K
Mazeika 1-5
Tebow 1-4 2 k's
McGeorge 1 inning 3 hits 2 runs 1 walk 1 k
Uceta 1.2 innings 0 hits 0 runs 1 walk 4 k's
Bashlor 0.2 innings 1 hit 2 runs 2 walks 1 k
Ryan 0 innings 1 hit

A+
Gimenez 1-4, 2b, K
Paez 0-3, BB, 2 k's
Lindsay 0-3, K (.188 over his last 10)
Strom 0-3, K (.088 last 10 wow)


A
Gladu 1-4
Tiberi 0-3 (.345 slugg, yuck)
Sanchez 0-4, K (.200 last 10)
Vasquez 0-3, K
Winaker 1-3, HR, K
Brodey 0-3, 2 k's (.114 last 10)
Simon 5 innings 6 hits 0 er 0 walks 4 k's (nice outing)
Cobb 1 perfect 1 k
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Thanks  
Rolyrock : 6/6/2018 8:03 am : link
Very detailed.The Dicky trade was the last good thing the Mets have done. DaLuca with interesting article in the Post today about how the mets built backwards.
I  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 8:06 am : link
neglected the DSL

Adrian Hernandez 2-4, 2 2b, BB, K
Consuegra 0-4
Robert Colina 3 innings 1 hit 0 runs 2 walks 7 k's
I thought the original subject line  
Shecky : 6/6/2018 8:13 am : link
Was you referring to the draft
RE: I thought the original subject line  
Eric on Li : 6/6/2018 8:43 am : link
In comment 13984483 Shecky said:
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Was you referring to the draft


not a fan of the draft so far?
RE: RE: I thought the original subject line  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 9:08 am : link
In comment 13984495 Eric on Li said:
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In comment 13984483 Shecky said:


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Was you referring to the draft



not a fan of the draft so far?


Can't speak for Shecky but I'm not. Liked picks #1, #4 and #9. Cortes and Meyer were solid picks but I'd be very surprised if either is an MLB regular. 2nd rounder was a reach (he even said he wa surprised to go that high). I'd go C+ as of right now.
Kelenic  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 9:30 am : link
confirms he is signing.
Dan any insight into whether 1 and 2 were under slot?  
bhill410 : 6/6/2018 9:43 am : link
I am going to lose my mind if they went under to spend over on that 2nd round pick. Smh
RE: Dan any insight into whether 1 and 2 were under slot?  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 9:52 am : link
In comment 13984540 bhill410 said:
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I am going to lose my mind if they went under to spend over on that 2nd round pick. Smh


Kelenic is going under slot. I know Mike feels otherwise but I'm pretty confident the 2nd rounder is as well but that's just a guess based on him saying he did not expect to go that high ie the Mets probably offered him in between slot and 3rd round money. Mike could well be right, just my gut call.

I'm dropping a C+ through 10 rounds with the assumption they are all signed.
The 2nd rounder was the most disappointing unless they save $  
Eric on Li : 6/6/2018 9:53 am : link
Was really hoping to have a year like last year where it felt like they got 2 first round picks (or 2 years ago when they got Kay). The reports on the guy they picked have similarities with the Fulmer and Church picks, obviously, that range of outcomes is pretty extreme.

I like Kelenic. If they save a little money on Cortes I think I like that pick too. Also like everything I've read about the 9th rounder. I think I also like the guy who had shoulder tendinitis this year, though in this organization that means he's probably going to need an amputation within 3 seasons.
MLB really needs to revamp  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2018 9:54 am : link
the whole draft process.

It seems like everyone plays the same game and it's stupid.

Plus teams should be able to trade draft picks.

I think MLB is the only major sport where you can't.
RE: The 2nd rounder was the most disappointing unless they save $  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 10:08 am : link
In comment 13984550 Eric on Li said:
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Was really hoping to have a year like last year where it felt like they got 2 first round picks (or 2 years ago when they got Kay). The reports on the guy they picked have similarities with the Fulmer and Church picks, obviously, that range of outcomes is pretty extreme.

I like Kelenic. If they save a little money on Cortes I think I like that pick too. Also like everything I've read about the 9th rounder. I think I also like the guy who had shoulder tendinitis this year, though in this organization that means he's probably going to need an amputation within 3 seasons.


Difference with Fulmer was he was picked exactly where he was expected to go. Everyone had him as a late 1st/2nd round talent (BA ranked him 45, he went 44), Law had him 92-97 with one of the best curves in the entire draft. Just seems liked a lot closer to a "drafting talent where the industry saw him" vs. this kid.
RE: MLB really needs to revamp  
Jay on the Island : 6/6/2018 10:09 am : link
In comment 13984551 pjcas18 said:
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the whole draft process.

It seems like everyone plays the same game and it's stupid.

Plus teams should be able to trade draft picks.

I think MLB is the only major sport where you can't.

I actually like the MLB draft process. The only change that I would make would be to allow trades which you mentioned.
Not allowing trading picks  
steve in ky : 6/6/2018 10:20 am : link
probably saves some teams from themselves. In a sport where you need to have good depth throughout the minor leagues systems in order to support the major league team forcing them to keep their picks helps maintain at least a continuous minimum support of that.
RE: RE: MLB really needs to revamp  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2018 10:21 am : link
In comment 13984558 Jay on the Island said:
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In comment 13984551 pjcas18 said:


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the whole draft process.

It seems like everyone plays the same game and it's stupid.

Plus teams should be able to trade draft picks.

I think MLB is the only major sport where you can't.


I actually like the MLB draft process. The only change that I would make would be to allow trades which you mentioned.

get rid of competitive balance picks.

Have the rights to high school draft picks for 5 years (sort of how the NHL does it) so if the player goes to college you still have their rights when they get out, if they don't sign with you then oh well. - or something like that.

Also, I think IFA's should be in it, why should teams get to be be highest bidder on some of the biggest superstars like Vlad Jr or Moncada and players like that vs draft position?

It has to bother US amateurs/draft eligible to see the Dominican and Venezuelan (and other LatAM) 16 year old kids get million dollar + contracts while they make 20k a year in the minors. And most don't pan out.

I like parity to an extent, but I don't like having a dis-incentive to spend.
Wright keeps it real  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2018 10:23 am : link
Even if it's for one tip your hat at-bat I'd love to see him get on the field again. Such a class act, easy to root for player.

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David Lennon
‏Verified account @DPLennon
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Wright is throwing from about 90 feet today. And harder than he was the other day. Playing catch with DiSarcina as Callaway and Amaro watch. #mets
RE: RE: RE: MLB really needs to revamp  
Jay on the Island : 6/6/2018 10:29 am : link
In comment 13984564 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13984558 Jay on the Island said:


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In comment 13984551 pjcas18 said:


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the whole draft process.

It seems like everyone plays the same game and it's stupid.

Plus teams should be able to trade draft picks.

I think MLB is the only major sport where you can't.


I actually like the MLB draft process. The only change that I would make would be to allow trades which you mentioned.


get rid of competitive balance picks.

Have the rights to high school draft picks for 5 years (sort of how the NHL does it) so if the player goes to college you still have their rights when they get out, if they don't sign with you then oh well. - or something like that.

Also, I think IFA's should be in it, why should teams get to be be highest bidder on some of the biggest superstars like Vlad Jr or Moncada and players like that vs draft position?

It has to bother US amateurs/draft eligible to see the Dominican and Venezuelan (and other LatAM) 16 year old kids get million dollar + contracts while they make 20k a year in the minors. And most don't pan out.

I like parity to an extent, but I don't like having a dis-incentive to spend.

All good suggestions. I agree that the IFA's should be apart of this draft for the reasons you mentioned.

The suggestion I like the most of yours is the HS rights. Instead of 5 years they should make it 4 years though. It would essentially force a kid to go back for their senior year and risk losing out on bonus money as they would then be a senior sign. If they didn't want to go to a team bad enough then they can take that risk but very few would.

The one issue for trading picks is the bonus pool allotment. Teams with a small bonus pool would be sacrificing several picks by trading up for a kid with high bonus demands.
Of course Alonso is also cooling off now..  
ZGiants98 : 6/6/2018 10:36 am : link
Talk about a worst case scenario for 1B right now... who would have thought AGone, Bruce, Flores (when healthy), and Smith would all be ice cold at the same time lol. Awful.
How does the NFL do it?  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2018 10:37 am : link
they have a rookie cap essentially, and you can trade picks.

Since the NFL adopted the rookie wage scale, i think the players kind of got shafted (early rounds at least) but there have been almost no hold outs.

It may end the shell game MLB teams play intentionally drafting players under slot in some rounds so you can go over slot in others.

If you have the players rights any time they leave college you can sign them. Or if they shit the bed in college, adios, you made a choice and you need to live with it.



What the hell happened to Cecchini and Brentz  
ZGiants98 : 6/6/2018 10:39 am : link
in AAA? Did they die?
RE: Of course Alonso is also cooling off now..  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 10:39 am : link
In comment 13984578 ZGiants98 said:
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Talk about a worst case scenario for 1B right now... who would have thought AGone, Bruce, Flores (when healthy), and Smith would all be ice cold at the same time lol. Awful.


Def not "defending" Alonso but it's hard to judge if he's cooling off or just being pitched around when you look at his lineup. He still has 9 walks vs. 8 k's over his last 10. He generally has Kevin Taylor hitting behind him, he of 2 homers and a .384 slugg or Patrick Mazeika.. hitting .217.
RE: How does the NFL do it?  
Jay on the Island : 6/6/2018 10:40 am : link
In comment 13984580 pjcas18 said:
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they have a rookie cap essentially, and you can trade picks.

Since the NFL adopted the rookie wage scale, i think the players kind of got shafted (early rounds at least) but there have been almost no hold outs.

It may end the shell game MLB teams play intentionally drafting players under slot in some rounds so you can go over slot in others.

If you have the players rights any time they leave college you can sign them. Or if they shit the bed in college, adios, you made a choice and you need to live with it.



I just don't know how it would work with the HS kids who don't sign the year they are drafted. Say they sign 2-3 years later then how do they apply the bonus amount? To that years draft class? There has to be a bonus pool or else the big market teams will load up every year.
Yeah Im being a bit over the top  
ZGiants98 : 6/6/2018 10:42 am : link
With Alonso but he seems to have cooled off a little over the last week or so. In the least, I think he clearly needs a bit more seasoning before taking over 1B in the majors anytime soon.
I agree with Jay  
Mike in NY : 6/6/2018 10:42 am : link
The only practical issue would be what happens if a player goes to school rather than sign immediately and how would that effect the rules for bonus pools. The one solution I could come up with is that in the draft year it counts as if you gave slot value (so you still keep the 4.99% overage that is allowed), but to discourage teams from waiting a year to sign players to get around the draft rules, if you take someone with X pick in year 1 then we will double the slot value for that pick in the year signed and if you sign a player for greater than that number the overage counts against you, but if it is less then you get no savings. That at least rewards teams for players who develop.
RE: What the hell happened to Cecchini and Brentz  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 10:45 am : link
In comment 13984582 ZGiants98 said:
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in AAA? Did they die?



Cecchini bone bruise, was in a boot until last week, Brentz broken foot on 5/9
RE: RE: What the hell happened to Cecchini and Brentz  
ZGiants98 : 6/6/2018 10:48 am : link
In comment 13984592 DanMetroMan said:
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In comment 13984582 ZGiants98 said:


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in AAA? Did they die?




Cecchini bone bruise, was in a boot until last week, Brentz broken foot on 5/9


Just weird that there have been no updates. I thought Brentz was supposed to be out 6 weeks max. I guess next week is 6 weeks. If Cecchini just got out of his boot that makes sense. It would be nice if TJ Rivera started gearing up soon too.
I would just say slot stays with the player from when he was drafted  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2018 10:49 am : link
let's say you draft a player in 2018 in the 4th round and the slot was 500k, but you don't sign him in 2018, you don't get to spend 500k more, right? Your pool decreased by 500k.

So, then the player goes to college and during the 2020 "year" (after say their sophomore season) that player leaves college for whatever reason and wants to sign with you, that 500k slot moves to your 2020 pool and it should work that you have to pay that player at slot, can't be less so you can skirt the system and give the guy 50k just to recoup 450k to use elsewhere.

I think that could work, or something like that.
RE: I would just say slot stays with the player from when he was drafted  
Jay on the Island : 6/6/2018 11:12 am : link
In comment 13984596 pjcas18 said:
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let's say you draft a player in 2018 in the 4th round and the slot was 500k, but you don't sign him in 2018, you don't get to spend 500k more, right? Your pool decreased by 500k.

So, then the player goes to college and during the 2020 "year" (after say their sophomore season) that player leaves college for whatever reason and wants to sign with you, that 500k slot moves to your 2020 pool and it should work that you have to pay that player at slot, can't be less so you can skirt the system and give the guy 50k just to recoup 450k to use elsewhere.

I think that could work, or something like that.

That makes sense as long as teams aren't given additional bonus pool money if the kid signs a couple of years after his draft. Here is a good suggestion: Teams can keep a player's rights by tendering them and offer, that offer is the projected slot value. Say a player in the 2019 draft doesn't sign but is tendered, then that slot bonus would be taken out of the bonus if the kids signs in 2020-2022. This would take away from that year's pool allotment which would force a few teams to make tough choices if they have several of these players willing to sign. They could have to rescind the tender in order to have enough pool money to sign players they like more which would then make the player a FA free to sign with any team similar to the NHL draft with what happened with Vesey, Will Butcher, and Kerfoot.
Butcher, Vesey  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2018 11:32 am : link
and Kerfoot (and Hayes and others before them) became free agents because their draft rights expired.

NHL draft you have the rights of NCAA and European players for 4 years and I think Canadian juniors players for 2 years.

or NCAA is technically until August 15th of the year of the players graduation class.

I would propose something similar for MLB.



Callis  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 11:42 am : link
thinks 4th rounder Adam Hill is better suited for the BP. Thinks Gilliam could move quickly and isn't sure about Cortes defensive home.
10th round started  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2018 12:08 pm : link
picks come much quicker now.

Mets take Franklin Parra LHS (LH Starer?) from Copiague HS
RE: 10th round started  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2018 12:09 pm : link
In comment 13984657 pjcas18 said:
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picks come much quicker now.

Mets take Franklin Parra LHS (LH Starer?) from Copiague HS


Sorry, 11th round.
Franklin Parra writeup from Newsday  
Eric on Li : 6/6/2018 12:14 pm : link
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FRANKLIN PARRA
Copiague, LHP, Sr.
He was born in Santo Domingo and came with his parents to the United States in grade school. He played middle school baseball in Lindenhurst before moving to Copiague, where he has matured into the ace of the pitching staff.
There is a slight language barrier for him that can be difficult, Copiague coach Bill Bennett said. His parents dont speak any English. And hes had some learning hurdles but hes made huge strides socially and those adjustments have helped him in the classroom.
The 6-2, 185-pound lefthander has been visited by more than 20 MLB teams. He struck out 35 in 19 innings as a junior and worked with private pitching instructor Paul Parsolano through the fall and winter.
Now Parra lets his game do all the talking. He communicates through his 92-mph fastball, vastly developed changeup and a nasty slider. His curve is of major league quality with such late break it freezes batters.
Im in contact with all the northeast area scouts, said McKay of the San Jacinto JC commit. Most clubs have been here to see him. He wants to play pro ball and I believe well see him in the show some day. He continues to grow and get stronger and he has an endless ceiling.
Hank Webb was the last Copiague player drafted. That was 1968 its been 50 years. Its time.

Parra is a local kid from Long Island  
figgy2989 : 6/6/2018 12:15 pm : link
I don't believe it was expected that he would go this high (according to Newsday), but kid has the frame to grow.
Ha!  
figgy2989 : 6/6/2018 12:17 pm : link
Just looked it up again, they though he would go between rounds 20-30!
Newsday Article - ( New Window )
Ross  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 12:25 pm : link
Adolph, big season
Link - ( New Window )
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DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 12:25 pm : link
@NathanRode
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LHP Franklin Parra has been 88-91. High-70s to low-80s slider. 6-1, 170. #Mets #mlbdraft
12th round  
pjcas18 : 6/6/2018 12:26 pm : link
Ross Adolph CFer from U of Toledo.

I'll stop posting the picks now unless someone looks interesting for some reason.
13th Round  
Mike in NY : 6/6/2018 12:37 pm : link
Christian Tripp was a college reliever, but productive in thin air at New Mexico and in Cape Cod League. The type of player the Mets have drafted in 6th Round in past (see Austin McGeorge)
.  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 12:38 pm : link
oesn't sound like Tripp currently throws particularly hard

UNM also figures to lose a prominent right-hander in closer Christian Tripp. The 6-7 junior posted a 2-3 record with eight saves in 2018 with a 2.33 ERA. He struck out 29, walked 11 and surrendered 23 hits in 27 innings. Tripp is No. 460 on Baseball Americas draft list.

I know he worked out for Houston and Texas after the season, UNM coach Ray Birmingham said. Scouts like his size, velocity potential and he doesnt have a lot of miles on his arm.

https://www.abqjournal.com/1180008/aggi ... looks.html
Parra sounds very signable  
Eric on Li : 6/6/2018 12:49 pm : link
not sure what the slot values are but perhaps they figured he's a guy they like and can save slot $ on for other guys.
Seidler  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 12:50 pm : link
is trashing the Mets lol
.  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 12:52 pm : link
Jarrett Seidler


@jaseidler
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if you dont think the Mets care about winning at Brooklyn, you neednt look much further than how many high performing/low ceiling college kids they are popping even into the teens
RE: Seidler  
Eric on Li : 6/6/2018 12:56 pm : link
In comment 13984688 DanMetroMan said:
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is trashing the Mets lol


I saw him knocking them yesterday about drafting catchers but it made very little sense because I'd love to hear him articulate a strategy for finding good catchers. There are like 6 good catchers in all of baseball. Nobody can find good catchers because they barely exist.
Todays  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 12:59 pm : link
draft has been awful, no 2 ways around it. College relievers galore. Adolph could be an interesting sleeper in a 4th OF mold but really disappointing stuff today. Sandy and the scouting staff need to go.
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Mike in NY : 6/6/2018 1:00 pm : link
In comment 13984690 DanMetroMan said:
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Jarrett Seidler


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if you dont think the Mets care about winning at Brooklyn, you neednt look much further than how many high performing/low ceiling college kids they are popping even into the teens


They will sign and that is part of how St. Louis built their team - Matt Carpenter was a 13th Round College Senior
Toda'ys  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 1:03 pm : link
picks...

small HS pitcher expected to go MUCH later who tops off at 91 and is small, Adolph, back to back college relievers (one of which is about to be...24!!) and a local kid catcher who will surely be the Cyclones C #Upside
Not to mention  
Mike in NY : 6/6/2018 1:04 pm : link
Anything over $125K on a pick counts against the pool so the Mets may just be waiting out teams that are spending their budget first then negotiate from whose left
If  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 1:05 pm : link
you believe Jim Callis (while praising some of the Mets picks)... Hill, Gilliam, Montes De Oca, are all future relievers + 4 other college relievers they already took (Smith, Megill, Tripp, Mitchell)
RE: Not to mention  
DanMetroMan : 6/6/2018 1:06 pm : link
In comment 13984701 Mike in NY said:
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Anything over $125K on a pick counts against the pool so the Mets may just be waiting out teams that are spending their budget first then negotiate from whose left


We shall see who else they take but they have yet to take a single player who is a ?? if he will sign. Not one.
RE: If  
Mike in NY : 6/6/2018 1:09 pm : link
In comment 13984702 DanMetroMan said:
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you believe Jim Callis (while praising some of the Mets picks)... Hill, Gilliam, Montes De Oca, are all future relievers + 4 other college relievers they already took (Smith, Megill, Tripp, Mitchell)


Smith and Hill I think will get a chance to start in the minors just because you need starters between Brooklyn, Kingsport, and Gulf Coast League. They might be relievers in the long term, but that happens. At least we are not targeting the glut of college relievers even before the senior signs/Day 3
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