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SI Article - Davis Webb ready when Eli steps aside

Toastt34 : 6/6/2018 1:31 pm
Good read and some fun stuff in here about Webb. Sorry if already posted.
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RE: RE: Amazing  
chopperhatch : 6/6/2018 6:27 pm : link
In comment 13984977 mrvax said:
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Webb has even mentioned himself that he would have liked to play but probably wasn’t ready. He said he learned a shit ton sitting and learning from Eli.



Pretty sure just prior to the 2017 season, the Giants decided to redshirt him for the year.


The article said that Webb was told by the Giants that he was only hoing to redshirt last year. He also said that McAdoo told him he wanted Webb to start or at least play the final 3 games of the year. But he was fired before that so that plan was nixxed.

I actually thought the article was kind of a fluff piece to b3 honest. I like that he seems to have a ton of confidence with regards to his arm and work ehtic, but it was a lot of shit I really dont care about too. The s3ction about Eli pantsing Webb was funny tho.
I didn’t  
Pete in MD : 6/6/2018 6:57 pm : link
realize he had such a big ego, which can be a good thing in a QB if it’s not too out of control.

The whole Eli benching thing is comical. McAdoo was inept in other ways but in that case he was just following the plan of upper management.
You can't help but root for a guy like Webb  
SuperRonJohnson : 6/6/2018 8:56 pm : link
who works as hard as he does at each aspect of the game. That is the type of attitude that you want in your QB. Love that work ethic. It will carry you far.
WE saw nothing from Webb last season  
Doomster : 6/6/2018 9:09 pm : link
and we have a fourth round pick, who is a reach....

Until we see them play in games, we have no idea of what they can do.....
RE: WE saw nothing from Webb last season  
mrvax : 6/6/2018 9:24 pm : link
In comment 13985107 Doomster said:
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and we have a fourth round pick, who is a reach....

Until we see them play in games, we have no idea of what they can do.....


Doomster, are you an NFL scout?

No? Then shut up. Dave Te, professional scout had Lauletta as a 2nd rounder. Stop with stupid posts. Do a little research.
Watch Cal vs. UCLA on YouTube  
Adam G in Big D : 6/7/2018 2:00 am : link
If you like Eli Manning you're going to LOVE Davis Webb.

(for all the good and bad reasons)

I get tired of hearing about how hard Davis Webb works. It's like, then why aren't you a better quarterback? Why aren't you starting for a team in the NFL yet?

I think Davis Webb's upside is limited.
Nice article but how do you write an entire article  
TheMick7 : 6/7/2018 5:54 am : link
about the Giants QB situation & not mention Lauletta at all? It's a great up close & personal with Davis Webb piece but doesn't ask Webb for his reaction to the Giants drafting Lauletta & the competition both will have in camp & going forward. Makes the article feel incomplete.
RE: RE: RE: Amazing  
Matt M. : 6/7/2018 6:32 am : link
In comment 13984980 Toastt34 said:
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In comment 13984938 KWALL2 said:


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He wasn't ready to take a snap late least year and now hes' ready to take over.



That was the decision of a guy named Ben McAdoo.


To be fair, that was the decision of Spags which should've been overridden by ownership. Not playing him at the end of last year was idiotic.
At that it was almost a lost cause. What was idiotic was that, including the summer, he never took more than a few snaps a practice and most days it was none.
"Friday is reserved exclusively for Kings of Leon, his favorite band."  
j_rud : 6/7/2018 6:36 am : link
Ohhh fuck that. Trade this bum.
I thought he came across as arrogant.  
DonQuixote : 6/7/2018 7:13 am : link
The snippet about overthrowing OBJ because he wanted to showcase his arm. That did not sit with me.

I want our next great QB to be on the roster, but this article did not speak to that in any way.
RE: WE saw nothing from Webb last season  
Gatorade Dunk : 6/7/2018 7:20 am : link
In comment 13985107 Doomster said:
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and we have a fourth round pick, who is a reach....

Until we see them play in games, we have no idea of what they can do.....

Explain how Lauletta was a reach.

It'll probably be as football savvy as your insight into OL pass pro technique.
I think Davis Webb has an excellent shot at being Eli's  
Brown Recluse : 6/7/2018 8:45 am : link
successor. Especially with Shurmur and Shula here.

His biggest obstacle seems to be learning to play under center. There are plenty of QB's that have overcome that and Webb can do it because he understands football. The concepts come easy to him. He seems like a very cerebral person who has studied the game literally since he was 4 years old according to some reports. Does that mean he's going to be the next Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers? Absolutely not. But he should be a guy you can win with.

As far as his attitude - I like it and I'm sure his teammates do as well. He's intense. He's confident in his ability and he knows he can make all the throws. There's nothing wrong with that. Its not as if he's out running from the cops, getting drunk, or cupping his crotch. This is the kind of "cockiness" you want in a QB, as opposed to guys like Baker Mayfield who are over the top.

His eagerness to throw it deep is absolutely something he is going to have to learn to control. He's said since college that his arm is his biggest strength and he loves to use it. He's got a bit of that Brett Favre gun-slinger mentality in him, where if his team is down - he will take risks and try to make a play instead of being safe.

He needs to work on his decision-making and he needs to get better with his footwork. Overall though, in my opinion, he's got as good of a shot as anyone at being a good starter. And as I mentioned earlier, a plus for him is that he's learning under coaches that know how to get the best out of their players. He's in the perfect situation right now.
Has there ever been a backup QB who never played  
dep026 : 6/7/2018 8:46 am : link
before gotten so much press and attention for working hard?

He's definitely in position to succeed  
Eli Wilson : 6/7/2018 8:59 am : link
Good arm
Good athleticism
Good work ethic
Ideal mentor in Eli
Good coaching staff

Whether he does or not, I don't think it will be from a lack of opportunity or effort.
Eli  
royhobbs7 : 6/7/2018 9:03 am : link
And everyone is saying that Eli has one or two more years left...................

What if Eli (like his brother Peyton) has a career year at 37 (in 2018)?
Are many of you going to say that he is done after the two-year contract is over.
This may very well be Eli's best year upcoming. And if it is, Eli WILL DECIDE when he is ready to hang up the cleats! And John Mara will support him!
It could be four or even more years!!!!

Hey, I'm not the biggest of Eli fans. However, I'm very impressed so far with what I've heard about Shurmur and about the potential for this offense in 2018.

Remember, Shurmur took a horrible (in 2016 with the Rams), journeyman QB, Case Keenum, and helped mold him into a stud last year. I'm sure that our offense around Eli this year can compete favorably with the offense surrounding Keenum last year!
If so, we may not see the end of Eli's Giants' career for awhile longer than expected.
RE: Eli  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/7/2018 9:11 am : link
In comment 13985282 royhobbs7 said:
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This may very well be Eli's best year upcoming.



There's nothing in the last five years of games he's played to suggest that's likely. Even before you consider that we have no idea how this offensive line is going to function next year.
RE: Has there ever been a backup QB who never played  
ron mexico : 6/7/2018 9:14 am : link
In comment 13985271 dep026 said:
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before gotten so much press and attention for working hard?


Yes

The saying "everyone's favorite player is the back up QB" existed long before Eli manning and Davis Webb
RE: RE: Eli  
dep026 : 6/7/2018 9:16 am : link
In comment 13985293 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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This may very well be Eli's best year upcoming.




There's nothing in the last five years of games he's played to suggest that's likely. Even before you consider that we have no idea how this offensive line is going to function next year.


Did his 2014 and 2015 season get erased or something? Did they not happen?
RE: Eli  
Brown Recluse : 6/7/2018 9:23 am : link
In comment 13985282 royhobbs7 said:
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And everyone is saying that Eli has one or two more years left...................

What if Eli (like his brother Peyton) has a career year at 37 (in 2018)?
Are many of you going to say that he is done after the two-year contract is over.
This may very well be Eli's best year upcoming. And if it is, Eli WILL DECIDE when he is ready to hang up the cleats! And John Mara will support him!
It could be four or even more years!!!!

Hey, I'm not the biggest of Eli fans. However, I'm very impressed so far with what I've heard about Shurmur and about the potential for this offense in 2018.

Remember, Shurmur took a horrible (in 2016 with the Rams), journeyman QB, Case Keenum, and helped mold him into a stud last year. I'm sure that our offense around Eli this year can compete favorably with the offense surrounding Keenum last year!
If so, we may not see the end of Eli's Giants' career for awhile longer than expected.


Just because people think Webb can be Eli's successor doesn't mean they are trying to push Eli out the door.

The levels of sensitivity some reach with regards to Eli is ridiculous sometimes.
Interesting...  
Mike from Ohio : 6/7/2018 9:35 am : link
The picture up above with the "F*ck it I'm going deep fan club" mentions unleashing the dragon. I wonder if that is where Eli's nickname of "Dragon" for him came from?

Let's hope Davis Webb is not the next Rex Grossman.
RE: RE: Eli  
dep026 : 6/7/2018 9:37 am : link
In comment 13985310 Brown Recluse said:
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Eli out the door.

The levels of sensitivity some reach with regards to Eli is ridiculous sometimes.


There is a level of sensitivity being reached in this thread, but this is one of those where the joke falls on you.

Who is being insensitive to Eli? Did the person you even quote say anything in regards to Eli other than he might be able to play a few more years than some may expect? Thats insensitive/?
Silly season is here again  
baadbill : 6/7/2018 10:17 am : link
Webb has a chance to be a starting NFL QB in this league. Absolutely. And every Giants fan hopes it happens.

Hell, as a fan, I hope every current Giants player makes it to the HOF one day. That dream is about as realistic as all the stupid talk of Webb being the next Giants QB to hoist a Lombardi.

But there is zero evidence to suggest he has any better chance than any other QB drafted in the 3rd round. His odds of ever being Eli Manning's long term replacement as the Giants starting QB is minuscule.
RE: RE: RE: Eli  
Brown Recluse : 6/7/2018 10:42 am : link
In comment 13985328 dep026 said:
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Eli out the door.

The levels of sensitivity some reach with regards to Eli is ridiculous sometimes.



There is a level of sensitivity being reached in this thread, but this is one of those where the joke falls on you.

Who is being insensitive to Eli? Did the person you even quote say anything in regards to Eli other than he might be able to play a few more years than some may expect? Thats insensitive/?


No one is being "insensitive" towards Eli. Thats the exact opposite of what I said.

There is absolutely an underlying sensitivity with some posters where, mentioning his successor triggers their Eli defenses and they feel the need to point out how many years he still has left and how awesome he still is.

Because if we talk about someone succeeding him, we must also be saying he's washed up and ready to retire.

Also interesting that one labelled as the biggest "Eli apologist" on the board was the one to reply to my post. Hit a nerve?
Webb says and does everything right. The only question will be  
Heisenberg : 6/7/2018 10:53 am : link
if he can play.
He's not the biggest Eli apologist, I am.  
Britt in VA : 6/7/2018 10:56 am : link
And I really hope that Eli's successor is already on the team in that QB room, whether it's Lauletta or Webb. That would be the best case scenario.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Eli  
dep026 : 6/7/2018 11:12 am : link
In comment 13985406 Brown Recluse said:
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Also interesting that one labelled as the biggest "Eli apologist" on the board was the one to reply to my post. Hit a nerve?


yeah, you are making shit up based on a narrative. No one said anything that affects Eli other than the fact he may play longer than some thought. Your horseshit response was unnecessary and the sensitivity towards Eli is just a ridiculous claim that is made for no reason on this forum now.

Questioning whether or not Webb is the future has NOTHING to do with Eli, but yet you made it to be. Great job.

Oh and by the way, before you make anymore outrageous claims - I was a HUGE proponent of drafting a QB number 2. So the Eli predecessor claim you want to make would be false once again.
RE: He's not the biggest Eli apologist, I am.  
PatersonPlank : 6/7/2018 11:38 am : link
In comment 13985425 Britt in VA said:
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And I really hope that Eli's successor is already on the team in that QB room, whether it's Lauletta or Webb. That would be the best case scenario.


Agree 100%. As a Giants fan, if either guy can be the next starting AB for multi-years its a huge win for the team. That means we have our future QB and Barkley too. I see no reason to root against either guy. Also, rooting for both QB's has nothing to do with Eli. His time is coming, as is all of ours and every player in the NFL. This all about what happens after. We have two fairly highly thought of guys who are being given the chance..
And in the meantime....  
Britt in VA : 6/7/2018 11:43 am : link
I will continue to root like hell for Eli, like I always have, to have that bounceback season that I believe he is capable of having.
RE: He's definitely in position to succeed  
batman11 : 6/7/2018 12:00 pm : link
In comment 13985280 Eli Wilson said:
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Good arm
Good athleticism
Good work ethic
Ideal mentor in Eli
Good coaching staff

Whether he does or not, I don't think it will be from a lack of opportunity or effort.


I agree 100% and this holds true as well for Lauletta.
The question is whether Webb can handle things  
ZogZerg : 6/7/2018 12:09 pm : link
when the bullets fly. We have no idea.
Show us some good pre-season tape to give us hope.
Dragon is  
Les in TO : 6/7/2018 12:16 pm : link
confident and a student of the game. hopefully he will get a lot of action in the preseason.
and kudos to Eli for his mentorship while Big Ben, Brady and Flacco take a cooler approach to their protégés.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Eli  
Jimmy Googs : 6/7/2018 12:46 pm : link
In comment 13985406 Brown Recluse said:
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Also interesting that one labelled as the biggest "Eli apologist" on the board was the one to reply to my post. Hit a nerve?


I can't begin to tell you how that isn't interesting at all...
RE: Interesting...  
Gordo : 6/7/2018 1:09 pm : link
In comment 13985325 Mike from Ohio said:
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The picture up above with the "F*ck it I'm going deep fan club" mentions unleashing the dragon. I wonder if that is where Eli's nickname of "Dragon" for him came from?

Let's hope Davis Webb is not the next Rex Grossman.


i saw that purely by coincidence... i'm willing to bet this is what they are referring too.. especially because he likes to go deep
RE: RE: He's not the biggest Eli apologist, I am.  
Gatorade Dunk : 6/7/2018 4:24 pm : link
In comment 13985485 PatersonPlank said:
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In comment 13985425 Britt in VA said:


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And I really hope that Eli's successor is already on the team in that QB room, whether it's Lauletta or Webb. That would be the best case scenario.



Agree 100%. As a Giants fan, if either guy can be the next starting AB for multi-years its a huge win for the team. That means we have our future QB and Barkley too. I see no reason to root against either guy. Also, rooting for both QB's has nothing to do with Eli. His time is coming, as is all of ours and every player in the NFL. This all about what happens after. We have two fairly highly thought of guys who are being given the chance..

I also agree. Britt is definitely the biggest Eli apologist.
For life.  
Britt in VA : 6/7/2018 6:32 pm : link
Can't wait until he drops 4000+ yards and 30 TD's next year.

You heard it here first.
RE: For life.  
mrvax : 6/7/2018 6:40 pm : link
In comment 13985971 Britt in VA said:
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Can't wait until he drops 4000+ yards and 30 TD's next year.

You heard it here first.


Tops, not drops. :>)
That would be great!  
Jimmy Googs : 6/7/2018 7:21 pm : link
Hopefully its not combined with 24 interceptions and 6 lost fumbles...
RE: That would be great!  
dep026 : 6/7/2018 8:47 pm : link
In comment 13985990 Jimmy Googs said:
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Hopefully its not combined with 24 interceptions and 6 lost fumbles...


You know 20 of them won’t be his fault. Haha
RE: RE: RE: Eli  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/7/2018 8:56 pm : link
In comment 13985299 dep026 said:
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In comment 13985282 royhobbs7 said:


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This may very well be Eli's best year upcoming.




There's nothing in the last five years of games he's played to suggest that's likely. Even before you consider that we have no idea how this offensive line is going to function next year.



Did his 2014 and 2015 season get erased or something? Did they not happen?


Sure they happened, but he specifically cited 'best season'. His best season was 2011. Do you see him putting up 4900 yards and averaging 300 yards per game on 61% completions? Because that's what he'd have to do for this prediction.
My question is  
lax counsel : 6/7/2018 11:33 pm : link
How long do the Giants allow for Webb or Lauletta to develop and flop before deciding they need to go all in on a first round qb- which will likely require parting with at least 2 first round picks (because the rest of the team isn't going to be bad enough for another 3 win season)? It's a fair assumption that the Giants next true franchise qb isn't on the roster yet. If the Stanford qb continues to develop, he seems like a qb the Giants would trade multiple first rounders to obtain.

If the Giants are wrong about Webb and Lauletta, they could be in the unenviable position of 7-9/8-8 every season. Only time will tell.
RE: For life.  
Gatorade Dunk : 6/7/2018 11:49 pm : link
In comment 13985971 Britt in VA said:
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Can't wait until he drops 4000+ yards and 30 TD's next year.

You heard it here first.

In today's NFL, that's fairly pedestrian. No need for the shrine.
Eight QBs passed for 4000 or more  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/8/2018 12:26 am : link
Only Brady, Wentz, and Wilson reached 30+ TDs.
RE: RE: That would be great!  
Jimmy Googs : 6/8/2018 7:42 am : link
In comment 13986047 dep026 said:
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In comment 13985990 Jimmy Googs said:


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Hopefully its not combined with 24 interceptions and 6 lost fumbles...



You know 20 of them won’t be his fault. Haha


Yes, I look forward to the excuses...pardon me, explanations from you all on why
RE: My question is  
Jimmy Googs : 6/8/2018 7:45 am : link
In comment 13986208 lax counsel said:
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How long do the Giants allow for Webb or Lauletta to develop and flop before deciding they need to go all in on a first round qb- which will likely require parting with at least 2 first round picks (because the rest of the team isn't going to be bad enough for another 3 win season)? It's a fair assumption that the Giants next true franchise qb isn't on the roster yet. If the Stanford qb continues to develop, he seems like a qb the Giants would trade multiple first rounders to obtain.

If the Giants are wrong about Webb and Lauletta, they could be in the unenviable position of 7-9/8-8 every season. Only time will tell.


Maybe you should tell us how long?
RE: RE: RE: That would be great!  
dep026 : 6/8/2018 7:53 am : link
In comment 13986274 Jimmy Googs said:
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In comment 13985990 Jimmy Googs said:


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Hopefully its not combined with 24 interceptions and 6 lost fumbles...



You know 20 of them won’t be his fault. Haha



Yes, I look forward to the excuses...pardon me, explanations from you all on why


Come on admit it. You chuckled on my response. And you should be happy to know that I already got 14 excu...planations on why it isn’t his fault. I will not use any repeat reasons.
I did chuckle Dep  
Jimmy Googs : 6/8/2018 7:59 am : link
All i know is where there is a thread/poster saying anything close to criticizing Eli...you are not too far behind.
RE: I did chuckle Dep  
dep026 : 6/8/2018 8:24 am : link
In comment 13986285 Jimmy Googs said:
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All i know is where there is a thread/poster saying anything close to criticizing Eli...you are not too far behind.


Just trying to bring some ying to the yang.
Hey Confucius...  
Jimmy Googs : 6/8/2018 8:40 am : link
I believe its YIN and yang.

Just want to make sure you bring it correctly on the next defend-Eli thread :-)

RE: Hey Confucius...  
dep026 : 6/8/2018 8:48 am : link
In comment 13986308 Jimmy Googs said:
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I believe its YIN and yang.

Just want to make sure you bring it correctly on the next defend-Eli thread :-)


Hells no. Its Ying Yang. You and I will be shaking it like saltshaker!
Ying Yang - ( New Window )
I am bit more in tune with the Chairman of the Board  
Jimmy Googs : 6/8/2018 9:15 am : link
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