Everything in this story shows what makes a great QB and I think Webb will be the heir when it’s all said and done with. He has an insatiable drive that you don’t see from many QBs. That obsessiveness that borders psychotic with the necessary physical tools to boot. A part of me almost hopes he gets meaningful snaps this year but that mean something bad happened with Eli.
is that he may become too robotic. He had to learn the position all over again..... and is so obsessed with every aspect that sometimes you wonder if it becomes a deterrent. He wasnt overly impressive in college despite having the same attributes.
His work ethic and arm strength are great, but he lacks many other attributes needed to be a franchise QB. He will work hard at getting there, but will it be enough?
Everything in this story shows what makes a great QB and I think Webb will be the heir when it’s all said and done with. He has an insatiable drive that you don’t see from many QBs. That obsessiveness that borders psychotic with the necessary physical tools to boot. A part of me almost hopes he gets meaningful snaps this year but that mean something bad happened with Eli.
Hopefully we are blowing teams out and you can have him come in for mop up duty..
on the roster right now. Hopefully, one will stick. Lauletta seems to be the one more likely to develop that Webb. But as long one as one of them does...
Will have this year and next pre season to prove if one of them is the successor.
Eli will play for 2 years , unless injured.
Who does what now is slightly irrelevant.
Will have this year and next pre season to prove if one of them is the successor.
Eli will play for 2 years , unless injured.
Who does what now is slightly irrelevant.
I wouldn't bank on next year just yet. If we end up with a losing record I could see the team moving on from Eli after this year.
is that he may become too robotic. He had to learn the position all over again..... and is so obsessed with every aspect that sometimes you wonder if it becomes a deterrent. He wasnt overly impressive in college despite having the same attributes.
His work ethic and arm strength are great, but he lacks many other attributes needed to be a franchise QB. He will work hard at getting there, but will it be enough?
No doubt he has the intangibles, we won't know anything until he gets out on the field. Sy' compared him to OsWielder as his pro upside, so his accuracy probably has more to be desired.
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coming out this past year, and in the same conference. He'd got the size, smarts, arm, and athletic ability to be a good one. Time will tell if he gets there.
right after this past draft and was so impressed with him as person. All he talked about was how hard he's working and wants to learn be successful. He's a very impressive young man and I'm routing for him.
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coming out this past year, and in the same conference. He'd got the size, smarts, arm, and athletic ability to be a good one. Time will tell if he gets there.
coming out this past year, and in the same conference.
And even in Webb's year, a year with barely one QB worth taking, no one was especially sold on him. And this is a league where if teams think you're one or two years away from being a starting QB, you will still go in the first or second round.
coming out this past year, and in the same conference. He'd got the size, smarts, arm, and athletic ability to be a good one. Time will tell if he gets there.
His YPA was one of the worst in college and that’s coming from an offense that is suppose to have a high YPA. His counting stats were fine but not for an air raid QB.
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coming out this past year, and in the same conference. He'd got the size, smarts, arm, and athletic ability to be a good one. Time will tell if he gets there.
His YPA was one of the worst in college and that’s coming from an offense that is suppose to have a high YPA. His counting stats were fine but not for an air raid QB.
and I can counter that with the fact that Cal graduated all the key WR's the year before, and Webb was throwing to a Junior, Soph, and Freshman. I can also point out that he was starting at Texas Tech even though they had MAyfield and Mahommes on the roster, and got MVP of the Holiday Bowl.
I'm not going to get into a circular argument here. I get it, for whatever reason some here don't like the guy. Maybe it has to do that some are still miffed about passing on Darnold, maybe simply because he's a 3rd rd pick and people don't believe any lower pick can do it. My Personal Opinion, and its my opinion, is that he has everything you need at QB. Can he put it together, because we know that playing the NFL takes more than just talent, only time will tell. However i'm rooting for the guy. If he can play, then we will be a much better team and we will have made the right decision in the 2018 draft. As a Giants fan thats what I want.
coming out this past year, and in the same conference. He'd got the size, smarts, arm, and athletic ability to be a good one. Time will tell if he gets there.
His YPA was one of the worst in college and that’s coming from an offense that is suppose to have a high YPA. His counting stats were fine but not for an air raid QB.
and I can counter that with the fact that Cal graduated all the key WR's the year before, and Webb was throwing to a Junior, Soph, and Freshman. I can also point out that he was starting at Texas Tech even though they had MAyfield and Mahommes on the roster, and got MVP of the Holiday Bowl.
I'm not going to get into a circular argument here. I get it, for whatever reason some here don't like the guy. Maybe it has to do that some are still miffed about passing on Darnold, maybe simply because he's a 3rd rd pick and people don't believe any lower pick can do it. My Personal Opinion, and its my opinion, is that he has everything you need at QB. Can he put it together, because we know that playing the NFL takes more than just talent, only time will tell. However i'm rooting for the guy. If he can play, then we will be a much better team and we will have made the right decision in the 2018 draft. As a Giants fan thats what I want.
1. Mayfield and mahonmes were never on the team together. Mahommes was a true freshman the year after mayfield transferred.
2 he never started over mayfield. Mayfield transferred before the bowl game.
3. In fact Webb was the true freshman on scholarship but was beat out by mayfield even though he was a walk on. The only time Webb started over mayfield was when mayfield was hurt... and mayfield came back and took the job back. He transferred after the last regular season game because he wasn’t promised a scholarship.
4. Cal returned 4 starting OL and their top 3 RBs when Webb came. The cupboard was hardly bare.
is an unknown with a great work ethic and excellent arm strength. 60-65% of his completions were within 10 yards of the LOS. He also didn't play under center. Can he learn how to do so and make reads and throws he'll have to in an NFL offense? Nobody knows. His work ethic and natural arm strength give him a chance, but as someone else said, he lasted until the third round in a draft that wasn't strong at QB. I supported the Webb pick because of his work ethic and arm strength, and also because nobody thought the Giants would be in a position to draft Darnold, Rosen, or Allen this year. But he's still a third round pick.
Lauletta is also an unknown. Aside from being a rookie, his arm may not be strong enough to challenge NFL CBs, especially on deep outs and outside the hashmarks. Lauletta was also everybody's "sleeper" QB, especially after the Senior Bowl. But he still lasted until the fourth round.
My guess is neither is the long term successor to Eli, but I give Webb a slightly greater chance because of his arm strength.
He wasn't ready to take a snap late least year and now hes' ready to take over.
That was the decision of a guy named Ben McAdoo.
Webb has even mentioned himself that he would have liked to play but probably wasn’t ready. He said he learned a shit ton sitting and learning from Eli.
Webb has even mentioned himself that he would have liked to play but probably wasn’t ready. He said he learned a shit ton sitting and learning from Eli.
Pretty sure just prior to the 2017 season, the Giants decided to redshirt him for the year.
Webb has even mentioned himself that he would have liked to play but probably wasn’t ready. He said he learned a shit ton sitting and learning from Eli.
Pretty sure just prior to the 2017 season, the Giants decided to redshirt him for the year.
The article said that Webb was told by the Giants that he was only hoing to redshirt last year. He also said that McAdoo told him he wanted Webb to start or at least play the final 3 games of the year. But he was fired before that so that plan was nixxed.
I actually thought the article was kind of a fluff piece to b3 honest. I like that he seems to have a ton of confidence with regards to his arm and work ehtic, but it was a lot of shit I really dont care about too. The s3ction about Eli pantsing Webb was funny tho.
who works as hard as he does at each aspect of the game. That is the type of attitude that you want in your QB. Love that work ethic. It will carry you far.
If you like Eli Manning you're going to LOVE Davis Webb.
(for all the good and bad reasons)
I get tired of hearing about how hard Davis Webb works. It's like, then why aren't you a better quarterback? Why aren't you starting for a team in the NFL yet?
I think Davis Webb's upside is limited.
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about the Giants QB situation & not mention Lauletta at all? It's a great up close & personal with Davis Webb piece but doesn't ask Webb for his reaction to the Giants drafting Lauletta & the competition both will have in camp & going forward. Makes the article feel incomplete.
He wasn't ready to take a snap late least year and now hes' ready to take over.
That was the decision of a guy named Ben McAdoo.
To be fair, that was the decision of Spags which should've been overridden by ownership. Not playing him at the end of last year was idiotic.
At that it was almost a lost cause. What was idiotic was that, including the summer, he never took more than a few snaps a practice and most days it was none.
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successor. Especially with Shurmur and Shula here.
His biggest obstacle seems to be learning to play under center. There are plenty of QB's that have overcome that and Webb can do it because he understands football. The concepts come easy to him. He seems like a very cerebral person who has studied the game literally since he was 4 years old according to some reports. Does that mean he's going to be the next Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers? Absolutely not. But he should be a guy you can win with.
As far as his attitude - I like it and I'm sure his teammates do as well. He's intense. He's confident in his ability and he knows he can make all the throws. There's nothing wrong with that. Its not as if he's out running from the cops, getting drunk, or cupping his crotch. This is the kind of "cockiness" you want in a QB, as opposed to guys like Baker Mayfield who are over the top.
His eagerness to throw it deep is absolutely something he is going to have to learn to control. He's said since college that his arm is his biggest strength and he loves to use it. He's got a bit of that Brett Favre gun-slinger mentality in him, where if his team is down - he will take risks and try to make a play instead of being safe.
He needs to work on his decision-making and he needs to get better with his footwork. Overall though, in my opinion, he's got as good of a shot as anyone at being a good starter. And as I mentioned earlier, a plus for him is that he's learning under coaches that know how to get the best out of their players. He's in the perfect situation right now.
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And everyone is saying that Eli has one or two more years left...................
What if Eli (like his brother Peyton) has a career year at 37 (in 2018)?
Are many of you going to say that he is done after the two-year contract is over.
This may very well be Eli's best year upcoming. And if it is, Eli WILL DECIDE when he is ready to hang up the cleats! And John Mara will support him!
It could be four or even more years!!!!
Hey, I'm not the biggest of Eli fans. However, I'm very impressed so far with what I've heard about Shurmur and about the potential for this offense in 2018.
Remember, Shurmur took a horrible (in 2016 with the Rams), journeyman QB, Case Keenum, and helped mold him into a stud last year. I'm sure that our offense around Eli this year can compete favorably with the offense surrounding Keenum last year!
If so, we may not see the end of Eli's Giants' career for awhile longer than expected.
There's nothing in the last five years of games he's played to suggest that's likely. Even before you consider that we have no idea how this offensive line is going to function next year.
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There's nothing in the last five years of games he's played to suggest that's likely. Even before you consider that we have no idea how this offensive line is going to function next year.
Did his 2014 and 2015 season get erased or something? Did they not happen?
And everyone is saying that Eli has one or two more years left...................
What if Eli (like his brother Peyton) has a career year at 37 (in 2018)?
Are many of you going to say that he is done after the two-year contract is over.
This may very well be Eli's best year upcoming. And if it is, Eli WILL DECIDE when he is ready to hang up the cleats! And John Mara will support him!
It could be four or even more years!!!!
Hey, I'm not the biggest of Eli fans. However, I'm very impressed so far with what I've heard about Shurmur and about the potential for this offense in 2018.
Remember, Shurmur took a horrible (in 2016 with the Rams), journeyman QB, Case Keenum, and helped mold him into a stud last year. I'm sure that our offense around Eli this year can compete favorably with the offense surrounding Keenum last year!
If so, we may not see the end of Eli's Giants' career for awhile longer than expected.
Just because people think Webb can be Eli's successor doesn't mean they are trying to push Eli out the door.
The levels of sensitivity some reach with regards to Eli is ridiculous sometimes.
His work ethic and arm strength are great, but he lacks many other attributes needed to be a franchise QB. He will work hard at getting there, but will it be enough?
Hopefully we are blowing teams out and you can have him come in for mop up duty..
Hopefully we are blowing teams out and you can have him come in for mop up duty..
Hopefully Eli will be OK with that.
Eli will play for 2 years , unless injured.
Who does what now is slightly irrelevant.
Eli will play for 2 years , unless injured.
Who does what now is slightly irrelevant.
I wouldn't bank on next year just yet. If we end up with a losing record I could see the team moving on from Eli after this year.
His work ethic and arm strength are great, but he lacks many other attributes needed to be a franchise QB. He will work hard at getting there, but will it be enough?
No doubt he has the intangibles, we won't know anything until he gets out on the field. Sy' compared him to OsWielder as his pro upside, so his accuracy probably has more to be desired.
He played in a Stats padding Air Raid Offense.
And even in Webb's year, a year with barely one QB worth taking, no one was especially sold on him. And this is a league where if teams think you're one or two years away from being a starting QB, you will still go in the first or second round.
I do find it unusual that some here that wanted no part of three highly rated quarterbacks in the draft are now big on Webb and Lauletta.
Not sure if the optimism is based on sound reasoning or the reality of life after Eli is beginning to sink in.
In any even; Hope all the anti quarterback guys are right, and I was wrong.
His YPA was one of the worst in college and that’s coming from an offense that is suppose to have a high YPA. His counting stats were fine but not for an air raid QB.
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coming out this past year, and in the same conference. He'd got the size, smarts, arm, and athletic ability to be a good one. Time will tell if he gets there.
His YPA was one of the worst in college and that’s coming from an offense that is suppose to have a high YPA. His counting stats were fine but not for an air raid QB.
and I can counter that with the fact that Cal graduated all the key WR's the year before, and Webb was throwing to a Junior, Soph, and Freshman. I can also point out that he was starting at Texas Tech even though they had MAyfield and Mahommes on the roster, and got MVP of the Holiday Bowl.
I'm not going to get into a circular argument here. I get it, for whatever reason some here don't like the guy. Maybe it has to do that some are still miffed about passing on Darnold, maybe simply because he's a 3rd rd pick and people don't believe any lower pick can do it. My Personal Opinion, and its my opinion, is that he has everything you need at QB. Can he put it together, because we know that playing the NFL takes more than just talent, only time will tell. However i'm rooting for the guy. If he can play, then we will be a much better team and we will have made the right decision in the 2018 draft. As a Giants fan thats what I want.
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coming out this past year, and in the same conference. He'd got the size, smarts, arm, and athletic ability to be a good one. Time will tell if he gets there.
His YPA was one of the worst in college and that’s coming from an offense that is suppose to have a high YPA. His counting stats were fine but not for an air raid QB.
and I can counter that with the fact that Cal graduated all the key WR's the year before, and Webb was throwing to a Junior, Soph, and Freshman. I can also point out that he was starting at Texas Tech even though they had MAyfield and Mahommes on the roster, and got MVP of the Holiday Bowl.
I'm not going to get into a circular argument here. I get it, for whatever reason some here don't like the guy. Maybe it has to do that some are still miffed about passing on Darnold, maybe simply because he's a 3rd rd pick and people don't believe any lower pick can do it. My Personal Opinion, and its my opinion, is that he has everything you need at QB. Can he put it together, because we know that playing the NFL takes more than just talent, only time will tell. However i'm rooting for the guy. If he can play, then we will be a much better team and we will have made the right decision in the 2018 draft. As a Giants fan thats what I want.
1. Mayfield and mahonmes were never on the team together. Mahommes was a true freshman the year after mayfield transferred.
2 he never started over mayfield. Mayfield transferred before the bowl game.
3. In fact Webb was the true freshman on scholarship but was beat out by mayfield even though he was a walk on. The only time Webb started over mayfield was when mayfield was hurt... and mayfield came back and took the job back. He transferred after the last regular season game because he wasn’t promised a scholarship.
4. Cal returned 4 starting OL and their top 3 RBs when Webb came. The cupboard was hardly bare.
Lauletta is also an unknown. Aside from being a rookie, his arm may not be strong enough to challenge NFL CBs, especially on deep outs and outside the hashmarks. Lauletta was also everybody's "sleeper" QB, especially after the Senior Bowl. But he still lasted until the fourth round.
My guess is neither is the long term successor to Eli, but I give Webb a slightly greater chance because of his arm strength.
That was the decision of a guy named Ben McAdoo.
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He wasn't ready to take a snap late least year and now hes' ready to take over.
That was the decision of a guy named Ben McAdoo.
Webb has even mentioned himself that he would have liked to play but probably wasn’t ready. He said he learned a shit ton sitting and learning from Eli.
Webb has even mentioned himself that he would have liked to play but probably wasn’t ready. He said he learned a shit ton sitting and learning from Eli.
Pretty sure just prior to the 2017 season, the Giants decided to redshirt him for the year.
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He wasn't ready to take a snap late least year and now hes' ready to take over.
That was the decision of a guy named Ben McAdoo.
To be fair, that was the decision of Spags which should've been overridden by ownership. Not playing him at the end of last year was idiotic.
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Webb has even mentioned himself that he would have liked to play but probably wasn’t ready. He said he learned a shit ton sitting and learning from Eli.
Pretty sure just prior to the 2017 season, the Giants decided to redshirt him for the year.
The article said that Webb was told by the Giants that he was only hoing to redshirt last year. He also said that McAdoo told him he wanted Webb to start or at least play the final 3 games of the year. But he was fired before that so that plan was nixxed.
I actually thought the article was kind of a fluff piece to b3 honest. I like that he seems to have a ton of confidence with regards to his arm and work ehtic, but it was a lot of shit I really dont care about too. The s3ction about Eli pantsing Webb was funny tho.
The whole Eli benching thing is comical. McAdoo was inept in other ways but in that case he was just following the plan of upper management.
Until we see them play in games, we have no idea of what they can do.....
Until we see them play in games, we have no idea of what they can do.....
Doomster, are you an NFL scout?
No? Then shut up. Dave Te, professional scout had Lauletta as a 2nd rounder. Stop with stupid posts. Do a little research.
(for all the good and bad reasons)
I get tired of hearing about how hard Davis Webb works. It's like, then why aren't you a better quarterback? Why aren't you starting for a team in the NFL yet?
I think Davis Webb's upside is limited.
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He wasn't ready to take a snap late least year and now hes' ready to take over.
That was the decision of a guy named Ben McAdoo.
To be fair, that was the decision of Spags which should've been overridden by ownership. Not playing him at the end of last year was idiotic.
I want our next great QB to be on the roster, but this article did not speak to that in any way.
Until we see them play in games, we have no idea of what they can do.....
Explain how Lauletta was a reach.
It'll probably be as football savvy as your insight into OL pass pro technique.
His biggest obstacle seems to be learning to play under center. There are plenty of QB's that have overcome that and Webb can do it because he understands football. The concepts come easy to him. He seems like a very cerebral person who has studied the game literally since he was 4 years old according to some reports. Does that mean he's going to be the next Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers? Absolutely not. But he should be a guy you can win with.
As far as his attitude - I like it and I'm sure his teammates do as well. He's intense. He's confident in his ability and he knows he can make all the throws. There's nothing wrong with that. Its not as if he's out running from the cops, getting drunk, or cupping his crotch. This is the kind of "cockiness" you want in a QB, as opposed to guys like Baker Mayfield who are over the top.
His eagerness to throw it deep is absolutely something he is going to have to learn to control. He's said since college that his arm is his biggest strength and he loves to use it. He's got a bit of that Brett Favre gun-slinger mentality in him, where if his team is down - he will take risks and try to make a play instead of being safe.
He needs to work on his decision-making and he needs to get better with his footwork. Overall though, in my opinion, he's got as good of a shot as anyone at being a good starter. And as I mentioned earlier, a plus for him is that he's learning under coaches that know how to get the best out of their players. He's in the perfect situation right now.
Good athleticism
Good work ethic
Ideal mentor in Eli
Good coaching staff
Whether he does or not, I don't think it will be from a lack of opportunity or effort.
What if Eli (like his brother Peyton) has a career year at 37 (in 2018)?
Are many of you going to say that he is done after the two-year contract is over.
This may very well be Eli's best year upcoming. And if it is, Eli WILL DECIDE when he is ready to hang up the cleats! And John Mara will support him!
It could be four or even more years!!!!
Hey, I'm not the biggest of Eli fans. However, I'm very impressed so far with what I've heard about Shurmur and about the potential for this offense in 2018.
Remember, Shurmur took a horrible (in 2016 with the Rams), journeyman QB, Case Keenum, and helped mold him into a stud last year. I'm sure that our offense around Eli this year can compete favorably with the offense surrounding Keenum last year!
If so, we may not see the end of Eli's Giants' career for awhile longer than expected.
This may very well be Eli's best year upcoming.
There's nothing in the last five years of games he's played to suggest that's likely. Even before you consider that we have no idea how this offensive line is going to function next year.
Yes
The saying "everyone's favorite player is the back up QB" existed long before Eli manning and Davis Webb
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This may very well be Eli's best year upcoming.
There's nothing in the last five years of games he's played to suggest that's likely. Even before you consider that we have no idea how this offensive line is going to function next year.
Did his 2014 and 2015 season get erased or something? Did they not happen?
What if Eli (like his brother Peyton) has a career year at 37 (in 2018)?
Are many of you going to say that he is done after the two-year contract is over.
This may very well be Eli's best year upcoming. And if it is, Eli WILL DECIDE when he is ready to hang up the cleats! And John Mara will support him!
It could be four or even more years!!!!
Hey, I'm not the biggest of Eli fans. However, I'm very impressed so far with what I've heard about Shurmur and about the potential for this offense in 2018.
Remember, Shurmur took a horrible (in 2016 with the Rams), journeyman QB, Case Keenum, and helped mold him into a stud last year. I'm sure that our offense around Eli this year can compete favorably with the offense surrounding Keenum last year!
If so, we may not see the end of Eli's Giants' career for awhile longer than expected.
Just because people think Webb can be Eli's successor doesn't mean they are trying to push Eli out the door.
The levels of sensitivity some reach with regards to Eli is ridiculous sometimes.