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Not hearing from the Giants was a tough pill to swallow. It was disappointing. “Of course. It was the team I started with,” Pugh said. “I always use the analogy it’s like your high school girlfriend. You think it’s going to last forever and then reality kicks in and it’s a business. “I don’t blame the Giants at all. Everyone got fired. There was nobody there who had any allegiance to me whatsoever. I don’t even know those guys. If I was in New York it would be a new team anyways. Then I got to Arizona and it felt like the right place.” |
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You know the media asks him this stuff, right?
“It started to worry me when it was going on because I was like, ‘Norwell signed. I think I’m as good if not better than him. He’s a run blocker.’ So once I knew New York was out of the question -- I didn’t even talk to New York -- once I knew it wasn’t going to happen I was like, 'Norwell, go to New York so every other guard team is out there.'"
He's nuts.
The rumblings I hear is that he was a "ME" guy, not in the sense of problem in the locker room, but never really grasped the leadership role many thought he should have. His injury history was a problem, too, as he missed more games with each successive season (0, 2, 2, 5, 8).
Compared to the linemen taking ahead of him in the 2013 draft, Pugh was an absolute steal for the Giants. Whatever position they asked him to play, he played at it at a starting quality level. If they had stuck him at left tackle as a rookie and left him there, he would've played the position better than anyone the Giants had there for the past five years. He would've been a Dave Diehl type of left tackle, not great, but good enough to win.
The only problem with Pugh were the injuries. You could rely on his talent, but not his health. Which is a huge problem, but not one we should be badmouthing him over. He's a guy who did everything the Giants asked of him. And he has the right to believe in himself. If he believes he's every bit as valuable to a team as Norwell, isn't that what you want him to believe? This is a far cry from Bobby Hart saying he's the best right tackle in football. With better luck in the injury department going forward, who is to say it won't prove to be the case? Time will tell.
p.s.--I get the hate for McAdoo on BBI. I didn't like him from the get-go, even during times when the offense was working and the team was winning. He was a poser, hiding behind a gruff expression and every cliche in the book of football cliches. But Reese and Pugh get entirely too much undeserved bashing on BBI. Reese was--at worst--a competent GM (if I were assigning him a letter grade, I would give him a "B"). And Pugh's only sin was missing too much time to injury.
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He was asked a question and he gave a thoughtful and perfectly fine response. Do fans ever shut up?
If they wanted an RT, they should have drafted Kyle Long.
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Don't dignify the sentiment by trying to have a dialogue.
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That’s a joke right?
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Don't dignify the sentiment by trying to have a dialogue.
I don't think David Diehl got this many compliments when he was playing
Pugh will likely be available again soon once ARZ gets tired of the missing starts...
Jeebus that is a pretty piss poor opinion.
He's definitely a bit chatty overall (though I'm not sure this is an example). He was a good player - solid, if unspectacular, who was surrounded by a lot of crap and had too many injuries. Had either one of those elements been slightly different, we might think better of Pugh here.
Then again, he's an Eagles fan, so fuck him.
Lmao..well played sir...
* NOT a #1 pick type
* Yes, he was mis-cast; was put at RT (where he failed)
* Was then moved to LG (where he was just adequate)
* NO he is not just as good as Norwell
* Yes, injuries affected his career
He thinks he's elite, he's not. He just needs to be grateful he has a job.
This isn't entirely accurate. Pugh was a much better guard than Diehl but Diehl was the better OT. People seem to believe that Diehl was a very good guard but the truth is that he struggled at G.
It's not his fault! We moved him around too much on the OL. Get off his jock!!!
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* NOT a #1 pick type
* Yes, he was mis-cast; was put at RT (where he failed)
* Was then moved to LG (where he was just adequate)
* NO he is not just as good as Norwell
* Yes, injuries affected his career
He thinks he's elite, he's not. He just needs to be grateful he has a job.
After playing for a player- friendly organization, then not getting a call from them in FA, and not being signed as quickly as your ego expected, SHOULD make you humble.
Just don't get hurt, Justin. Cardinals are not nearly as player friendly.
Compared to the linemen taking ahead of him in the 2013 draft, Pugh was an absolute steal for the Giants. Whatever position they asked him to play, he played at it at a starting quality level. If they had stuck him at left tackle as a rookie and left him there, he would've played the position better than anyone the Giants had there for the past five years. He would've been a Dave Diehl type of left tackle, not great, but good enough to win.
The only problem with Pugh were the injuries. You could rely on his talent, but not his health. Which is a huge problem, but not one we should be badmouthing him over. He's a guy who did everything the Giants asked of him. And he has the right to believe in himself. If he believes he's every bit as valuable to a team as Norwell, isn't that what you want him to believe? This is a far cry from Bobby Hart saying he's the best right tackle in football. With better luck in the injury department going forward, who is to say it won't prove to be the case? Time will tell.
p.s.--I get the hate for McAdoo on BBI. I didn't like him from the get-go, even during times when the offense was working and the team was winning. He was a poser, hiding behind a gruff expression and every cliche in the book of football cliches. But Reese and Pugh get entirely too much undeserved bashing on BBI. Reese was--at worst--a competent GM (if I were assigning him a letter grade, I would give him a "B"). And Pugh's only sin was missing too much time to injury.
Agree. What's he supposed to do, refuse an ESPN interview? And the fact that he doesn't recognize the how his value is affected by injuries doesn't make him unique.
Guess he *was* aiming high.
Maybe if Pugh was a better run blocker he would still be here. He also passed up on one year deals with contenders to "cash in". Makes it sound like he was all about the money (I get it but he seems to be soooo obvious). I thought he was part of the solution, but the more he talks, the more he sounds like part of the problem.
Maybe if Pugh was a better run blocker he would still be here. He also passed up on one year deals with contenders to "cash in". Makes it sound like he was all about the money (I get it but he seems to be soooo obvious). I thought he was part of the solution, but the more he talks, the more he sounds like part of the problem.
He was a pretty selfless player as a Giant. He probably has more value since he plays both guard and tackle. We should have never moved him from tackle, he was great there. If he was healthy the entire time his versatility would have netted him more, but he was always injured so...
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And I acknowledge that Diehl should have been canned about 3 years before he retired. But in the toughness department? Pugh is a micropenis by comparison.
This isn't entirely accurate. Pugh was a much better guard than Diehl but Diehl was the better OT. People seem to believe that Diehl was a very good guard but the truth is that he struggled at G.
Much better as an offensive lineman in general. Peak Diehl was better than peak Pugh. Even as a guard I'd say it's debatable.
He knew he was going somewhere else and I'd bet he was less than willing to stick it out at RT in a lost season once they decided he and Fluker on the right side was the best configuration.
He's better, but only if he is able to play...
Guess he *was* aiming high.
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$15million guaranteed as well.
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My God. He loves the sound of his own voice.
He was asked a question and he gave a thoughtful and perfectly fine response. Do fans ever shut up?
You're right. I get that the media is asking him ?s & he has to respond. I'm just sick of hearing from Pugh about his time here. He was average to above average when on the field. He wasn't an Anthony Munoz or someone who we're going to rue the day he left.
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My God. He loves the sound of his own voice.
He was asked a question and he gave a thoughtful and perfectly fine response. Do fans ever shut up?
You're right. I get that the media is asking him ?s & he has to respond. I'm just sick of hearing from Pugh about his time here. He was average to above average when on the field. He wasn't an Anthony Munoz or someone who we're going to rue the day he left.
If your sick of it, then why click on the thread. The guy played through injuries and did what he could for this team. Be great full and move on
Pugh is a 1st round, often injured, player that didn't make a second contract and cried that having to play another position was the reason he got injured.
Pugh can't hold Dave Diehl's jock and that's a fact.
Pugh is a 1st round, often injured, player that didn't make a second contract and cried that having to play another position was the reason he got injured.
Pugh can't hold Dave Diehl's jock and that's a fact.
Ding ding ding.
Pugh is a 1st round, often injured, player that didn't make a second contract and cried that having to play another position was the reason he got injured.
Pugh can't hold Dave Diehl's jock and that's a fact.
A better comparison for Pugh's Giant tenure is Luke Petitgout.
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then you are completely nuts. Dave Diehl is a fifth round pick, two time champion, that could play any position including left tackle.
Pugh is a 1st round, often injured, player that didn't make a second contract and cried that having to play another position was the reason he got injured.
Pugh can't hold Dave Diehl's jock and that's a fact.
Ding ding ding.
Not to mention that Dave Diehl played on a line that had like five or six straight seasons without any player missing a start. I think it was some kind of record.
Not to mention racking up thousands of rushing yards during that time with multiple rushers (Tiki, Bradshaw, Jacobs, and Ward).
Give me a fucking break with that Justin Pugh was better than Dave Diehl shit.
Britt nailed it. A guy who blaims the staff because they asked him to play another position and some how caused him to get hurt isn't part of the solution.
That group was a mess and as the vet and the leader Pugh sure didn't seem to be helping anything.
As for Diehl, this guy is a prototypical lunch pail team first guy. Gave everything he had and competed very hard. The dude started his rookie year bad played 4 different positions along the line. He has 2 Super Bowl rings and I am pretty sure he was a participant in the Pro Bowl ( the game sucks but not the honor ). Diehl was a great Giant.
You've got to be kidding me. Kyle Long with the very next pick is 10 times the player that Pugh is. Plus he is more effectively versatile than Pugh.
A steal? More like a whiff.
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Compared to the linemen taking ahead of him in the 2013 draft, Pugh was an absolute steal for the Giants.
You've got to be kidding me. Kyle Long with the very next pick is 10 times the player that Pugh is. Plus he is more effectively versatile than Pugh.
A steal? More like a whiff.
Kyle Long has missed a lot of games the past 2 seasons and it's debatable if he's any better than Pugh.
As for Diehl, this guy is a prototypical lunch pail team first guy. Gave everything he had and competed very hard. The dude started his rookie year bad played 4 different positions along the line. He has 2 Super Bowl rings and I am pretty sure he was a participant in the Pro Bowl ( the game sucks but not the honor ). Diehl was a great Giant.
He was also a 2nd team All Pro in 2008 (at left tackle).
Will it turn out that they do well elsewhere and underperformed here? Will they flounder in their new teams and just show how difficult it is to acquire OL help in FA? Will those injury situations resolve themselves, pointing to possible milking of injury status while with the Giants?
We spend a lot of time talking about the Giants who didn't continue after they left NY, but it seems these two (and to a lesser extent, Hankins) don't get a lot of attention.
I don't think it's debatable at all. When healthy Long has clearly outplayed Pugh at both tackle AND guard. And he's been more effective when playing hurt.
He didn't make a difference on a crappy line, he was hurt, he wasn't a leader, and they didn't even offer him a second contract.
It's not that they couldn't come to an agreement on money in negotiating, they didn't even offer. That tells you all you need to know right there.
Long had surgery on his neck - not good for anyone, let alone an OL. Pugh has back issues, not good for anyone let alone an OL.
Pugh's issue was always health. You need to be out there - he was a good player when out there, but he was not there enough. Some guys can manage to play well when not 100%. I think it was safe to say Pugh was not 1 of them
even oft injured pugh got a 45 mil contract whereas hernandez will make a fraction of that over the same length of contract and is younger and in much better health,looks to be a meaner harder blocker as well the giants needed to inject a bit of steel into that inciped OL
diehl was a fifth round pick who won two superbowls and was a probowler if thats over valued i wish they could find more like that every draft
thats an insane comment to say Pugh was better than Diehl.. based on where he was picked, he should have been MUCH better, but we got far more out of Diehl for a far lower pick
“It started to worry me when it was going on because I was like, ‘Norwell signed. I think I’m as good if not better than him. He’s a run blocker.’ So once I knew New York was out of the question -- I didn’t even talk to New York -- once I knew it wasn’t going to happen I was like, 'Norwell, go to New York so every other guard team is out there.'"
He's nuts.