"Giants with the most explosive trio in NFL history"

Latimer will get the matchups. He’ll give us a few big plays.

If OL holds up Giants will be a top scoring offense.

I like Engram, but he needs to work on the drops.

Saquon hasn't even played a down in the league yet.

Odell is special. He just needs to stay healthy.

In comment 13984924 chopperhatch said:

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In comment 13984914 SGMen said: Quote: I can see the following: OBJ 100 - 1400 - 8 TD Shepard 80 - 1050 - 6 TD Engram 75 - 1000 - 8 TD Saquon 75- 700 - 3 TD receiving, 250- 1300 - 10 TD If this happened, that means Eli had a very good year and we were moving the ball on most anyone we faced. Hahahahaha...you and these predictions of yours. That's 4150 yards passing to only 3 players. A very good year indeed. Jesus.

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Not to mention chopperhatch : 5:01 pm : link : reply 2100 all purpose yards for Barkley in his rookie year. You can see that huh? ::eye roll::

ummm..... use a calculator or an iphone next time?

Barkley. Beckham and Engram. Engram is the slowest running a 4.41 all have great leaping ability, and dynamite ball skills, elusiveness. Speed kills and each is a matchup nightmare. So many are fixated on the QB, but no one seems to want to recognize Manning has spent the last 6 years under duress. The OLine has been atrocious since 2011 and all the late round picks did not pan out.

I believe that many of those who voice such negativity about our QB will be eating crow by midseason. As far as the skill position players no other team in the NFL has a triplet that can score on any given play. Manning is going to flourish under Shurmur and when it happens many will have to admit they were wrong. Only it doesn't matter because it is the wins that count.

I am looking forward, and will just rejoice on the teams success.

tortured us for decades.

In comment 13984920 mrvax said:

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In comment 13984917 81_Great_Dane said: Quote: but can we maybe let Barkley play a few downs in the NFL first? No. His bust is already in Canton.

Actually, they inducting his quads, not his bust!

Engram and Darkwa.

That dude could fly.

Faulk, Holt, Bruce and Akeem... plus Faulk was basically the best pro rb over the last 20 years so until Barkley actually does it we give Faulk the edge in terms of Nfl athletic ability...

Gisnts have a shot to be special but these players have to be on the field together and do it first...

In comment 13985169 djm said:

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That dude could fly. Faulk, Holt, Bruce and Akeem... plus Faulk was basically the best pro rb over the last 20 years so until Barkley actually does it we give Faulk the edge in terms of Nfl athletic ability... Gisnts have a shot to be special but these players have to be on the field together and do it first...

Minor criticism but LaDainian I think is the best pro back of the last 20 years, Fault is second. There's not a significant gap, but there is a gap.

Andre Reed, and James Lofton. That was a truly great trio, I believe only rivaled by Faulk, Bruce, and Holt.

Honestly the Browns, yes the Browns, have to be excited with what they have at the skill positions. They drafted Nick Chubb, have Jarvis Landry, Josh Gordon, an explosive but oft injured Corey Coleman, and a very athletic TE who may come into his own in his sophomore year in David Njoku.

And in terms of explosiveness, Kareem Hunt, Tyreek Hill, and Travis Kelce has to get a mention.

Lamar Jackson?

Reed was an average speed guy. Excellent player but not explosive.

Kelce and Hill are certainly explosive. Hunt is a tough runner but not very explosive. 4.6+ doesn't measure up to Barkley.

In comment 13984912 cokeduplt said:

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your son is a Steelers fan? Horrible!

This.

My condolences.

is not all about flat speed. I don't believe Jerry Rice had a fast 40 time. But yeah I'm excited for our guys.

In comment 13985093 MetsAreBack said:

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In comment 13984924 chopperhatch said: Quote: In comment 13984914 SGMen said: Quote: I can see the following: OBJ 100 - 1400 - 8 TD Shepard 80 - 1050 - 6 TD Engram 75 - 1000 - 8 TD Saquon 75- 700 - 3 TD receiving, 250- 1300 - 10 TD If this happened, that means Eli had a very good year and we were moving the ball on most anyone we faced. Hahahahaha...you and these predictions of yours. That's 4150 yards passing to only 3 players. A very good year indeed. Jesus. Quote: Not to mention chopperhatch : 5:01 pm : link : reply 2100 all purpose yards for Barkley in his rookie year. You can see that huh? ::eye roll:: ummm..... use a calculator or an iphone next time?

::snores:: I guess misreading the 1300 for 1400 as far as rush yards predicted qualifies for that snarky comment that had nothing to do with you.

Fine, 2000 all purpose for his rookie year. Eat me MAB.

How about strike season 1982 SD Chargers

QB - Dan Fouts - Pro bowl
RB - Chuck Muncie - Pro Bowl
WR - Wes Chandler - Pro Bowl in 8 games 49-1032 9 TD's
TE - Kellen Winslow - Pro Bowl

Fouts, Chandler and Winslow were 1st team All Pro Muncie was 2nd

I'm not sure how their 40's measure up (I know Faulk's was exceptionally fast), but in terms of pure talent, that's a tough trio to top.

The same people predicting Madden numbers for all the players on the team will say that those players let Eli down and the oline was trash and Mara and DG need to go because they ruined Eli

In comment 13985369 NYSports1 said:

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The same people predicting Madden numbers for all the players on the team will say that those players let Eli down and the oline was trash and Mara and DG need to go because they ruined Eli

And if Eli plays well, what will you say?

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In comment 13985369 NYSports1 said: Quote: The same people predicting Madden numbers for all the players on the team will say that those players let Eli down and the oline was trash and Mara and DG need to go because they ruined Eli And if Eli plays well, what will you say?

I will say that he proved he can still play at a high level. Am not going to shy away from given props when they are earned. But I wont be given out passes

In comment 13985408 NYSports1 said:

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I will say that he proved he can still play at a high level. Am not going to shy away from given props when they are earned. But I wont be given out passes

No one is asking for passes, and if Eli plays poorly with this talent around him, I think even his most ardent defenders will agree it is time. It isn't crazy to think that his play over the past 2 seasons was due largely to a lack of support.

ever saying it is time for him to hang them up. The view a handful of posters carry is based on emotion, not logic.

There are an equal number of Eli detractors on the site that also seem to base their view of his play only on emotion, not logic.

In comment 13984963 Don in DC said:

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In comment 13984914 SGMen said: Quote: I can see the following: OBJ 100 - 1400 - 8 TD Shepard 80 - 1050 - 6 TD Engram 75 - 1000 - 8 TD Saquon 75- 700 - 3 TD receiving, 250- 1300 - 10 TD If this happened, that means Eli had a very good year and we were moving the ball on most anyone we faced. In this universe, just how many passes per game does Eli throw? Because you are projecting 330 receptions by these four players alone. That's about 21 receptions per game, which would imply (based on Eli's historical completion rate of 60%) 35 passes per game just to these four guys.

That's a little high, but how many passes do you think the *other* WRs/TEs/RBs are going to catch? 50 would be a stretch, IMO with Ellison and Stewart the bulk of those. 21*16 = 336 and Eli's averaged 374 completions per season the last 4 years.

In comment 13984924 chopperhatch said:

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In comment 13984914 SGMen said: Quote: I can see the following: OBJ 100 - 1400 - 8 TD Shepard 80 - 1050 - 6 TD Engram 75 - 1000 - 8 TD Saquon 75- 700 - 3 TD receiving, 250- 1300 - 10 TD If this happened, that means Eli had a very good year and we were moving the ball on most anyone we faced. Hahahahaha...you and these predictions of yours. That's 4150 yards passing to only 3 players. A very good year indeed. Jesus.

4150 yards to 4 players. I think his yards/rec are a little high for both Shepard and Engram, but probably a little low for Barkley.

Quite optimistic on Barkley's reception total too.

Also, that's only 25 passing TDs from Eli, which seems quite low given the yardage output. And Beckham is scoring double digit TDs if healthy and catching 100 balls.

of course many BBIers show their poor reading comprehension, immediately arguing that this trio done anything yet.

I have no idea if your son is correct or not. There have been many, many, explosive athletes drafted and it seems possible that some team at some point had three prospects at the positions with equal or better measurables. Those prospects rarely were expected to contribute right away, and even if so, they were likely forgettable.

What would make him more likely correct would be to qualify the statement by saying the most explosive trio of expected starters in NFL history. This would eliminate the gym rats and athletic freaks teams are known to take fliers on, those guys whose numbers are equally impressive but were not top production guys in either college or the NFL.

last year, just instead of Barkley, it was the remarkable speed to which the O-line went backwards.

In comment 13985499 Mike from Ohio said:

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ever saying it is time for him to hang them up. The view a handful of posters carry is based on emotion, not logic.

I am sure you are including me and Britt in this as we are vocal supporters. FWIW, both him and I were in big favor of drafting a Qb at 2 in this draft.

Megatron/Bush/Ebron

Desean Jackson/Jordan Reed/Chris Thompson

Chris Johnson/Randy Moss/Jared Cook

3-cone drill time??

In comment 13985594 Jimmy Googs said:

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3-cone drill time??

Did you not see the dirty dancing video and that footwork? Its assume that he does!

KWALL... how about this trio...

Reggie Bush
Jimmy Graham
Robert Meachem.

Now as far as talent, we know NYG trio blows them out of the water, but atheltic wise - those guys explosiveness was very impressive.

ran for a first down or touchdown on my team, my guys would be doing up-downs until midnight that next week...

In comment 13985210 KWALL2 said:

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Reed was an average speed guy. Excellent player but not explosive. Kelce and Hill are certainly explosive. Hunt is a tough runner but not very explosive. 4.6+ doesn't measure up to Barkley.

Reed was quick out of breaks, very good agility, and had enough speed. Lofton, even at his age on the Bills, had over 1000 yards and 8 TDs in 15 games on just 50 something catches in 1991...he was still the deep threat and had a lot of speed despite him being old for the position. That same season Reed had over 1100 yards and 10 TDs, and Thurman Thomas had 2038 yards from scrimmage and 12 scores. That trio that year had over 4100 yards combined and 30 TDs. I don't care if they are the best or most explosive or whatever in NFL history, but they certainly deserve to be mentioned in the conversation, especially considering the era they played in.

Edgerrin James, Marvin Harrison, and Reggie Wayne. They were pretty dominant for those 4 seasons.

For our talk the trio was starting TE, WR, and RB.

I thought about it for a while and can't think of anybody matching it.

Engram is one of the fastest TEs ever so that eliminates a lot of options.

This one is close:
Reggie Bush
Jimmy Graham
Robert Meachem

Bush and Meachem could run with anybody. I see Engram > Graham in terms of speed and explosion.

Dude hasn't taken a single goddamned NFL snap yet. Shit, why bother? Just give him his yellow blazer now.

Thomas was a great player. IMO, Reed was overrated. Lofton a limited threat at that point. He was a better player on GB. They played in a great system with a QB who mastered it.

While you can find 2 WRs to match Engram and Beckham, we were trying to come up with a RB, TE, WR trio. Not RB, WR, WR.

Dep has the best call with the 3 from the Saints. I didn't think of them. They are right there with our group.

This isn't about production. Explosive AA was the point.

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I'm not sure how their 40's measure up (I know Faulk's was exceptionally fast), but in terms of pure talent, that's a tough trio to top.

Looked it up (40 times only), Ram trio will be hard to top:

Faulk - 4.35
Holt - 4.38
Bruce - 4.53

I doubt there are any that can match this group. dep's NO trio is probably the closest.

Faulk skipped the combine. Where is that 4.35?

Holt and Bruce were slower at combine then those numbers.

It should be TE, WR, RB.

Many WR pairs faster than Holt/Bruce

Nobody touches Chris Johnson/Randy Moss/Jared Cook

Cooks was 0.8 seconds slower in the 40, but better vertical and more reps than Engram.

Love the Barkley pick, but he's eating CJ2K's dust.

At best, Moss vs Beckham is a push. Beckham quicker in/out of cuts, but Moss's deep speed (at combine) blows him away.

They played together?

In comment 13985369 NYSports1 said:

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The same people predicting Madden numbers for all the players on the team will say that those players let Eli down and the oline was trash and Mara and DG need to go because they ruined Eli

You’re a wad

If memory serves, coach ran Thomas over and over and frigging over. You felt either he would just keel over and die or break a long run.

So the numbers reflect that all world toughness moreso than quicks- explosiveness.

Best guess - our new coach, great choice of coach IMO , won't use that sort of style, looking instead to get various players unique opportunities.

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They played together?

Cooks should be Jared Cook and yes, for half a season in TN.
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In comment 13986259 idiotsavant said:

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If memory serves, coach ran Thomas over and over and frigging over. You felt either he would just keel over and die or break a long run. So the numbers reflect that all world toughness moreso than quicks- explosiveness. Best guess - our new coach, great choice of coach IMO , won't use that sort of style, looking instead to get various players unique opportunities.

In 1991 Thurman Thomas ran the ball 288 times at 4.9 YPC. He also threw in over 600 yards receiving on 60 catches. While this isn't about production, Thurman Thomas was one of the best athletes at his position of his time. He was tremendously explosive. He was both quick and fast with breakaway speed. Levy did run him a ton, and overall I think that hurt his YPC numbers in some years, but he could take it to the house with the best of them.

which I think is unfair, because even though Engram is technically a TE, he plays the WR in the offense plenty, lining up out wide, and he will likely do so in the future a great deal, but RB, WR, TE trio?

I'm not going to say most explosive, but a pretty awesome trio was Terrell Davis, Shannon Sharpe, and Rod Smith. '97-'98 Broncos.

Back in 2008-2009, the 49ers had Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, and Josh Morgan. Josh Morgan fizzled out, but he was definitely an athlete. 4.46 40, and a ridiculous 40.5 inch vert at his pro day. Michael Crabtree was also on that team, but he wasn't and isn't a super-athlete in my estimation. Vernon Davis certainly was/is. Frank Gore didn't have the tremendous speed, but he was pretty quick and fast enough in his prime.

Greg Olsen, Christian McCaffrey, and Curtis Samuel last year. Yeah, Olsen probably isn't quite the athlete he used to be, but he ran a 4.51 and has vert jumped nearly 38 inches. Curtis Samuel obviously could fly but only made 4 starts in an injury-marred season, and McCaffrey is a stellar athlete himself.

The trio of Olsen, Steve Smith, and DeAngelo Williams was pretty good.

But from a pure athletic explosion standpoint, I do think Barkley, OBJ, and Engram is probably the best ever, if OBJ is fully recovered. I would love to see them all at their athletic best play together, it will be pretty fun to watch as long as Eli performs well.

He didn’t even play. He was finished.

Chris Johnson and Cooks were dynamic but no WR there. Johnson has the edge on everybody. Engram is more explosive then Cooks and already a tougher matchup than Cooks.