This little gem comes from KWALL jr. 11 year old draftnik. Although he's a Steeler fan he threw out this line on the way to school today.
So is it true?
In terms of 10, 20, and 40 splits, vertical and 3 cone? I couldn't think of anything that matches this trio.
Can you? Has there ever been a team with more explosive speed at these 3 positions?
Not throwing stones, just curious. I wound up with 3 Boston bruins fans in my house, living in metro Boston when I grew up in CT and not a Bruins fan, and it pains me.
He didn't mention the players. I'm just guessing Barkley, Engram and Odell (RB, WR, TE)
Maybe Odell, Sterling and Saquon (RB, WR, WR)
OBJ 100 - 1400 - 8 TD
Shepard 80 - 1050 - 6 TD
Engram 75 - 1000 - 8 TD
Saquon 75- 700 - 3 TD receiving, 250- 1300 - 10 TD
If this happened, that means Eli had a very good year and we were moving the ball on most anyone we faced.
No. His bust is already in Canton.
OBJ 100 - 1400 - 8 TD
Shepard 80 - 1050 - 6 TD
Engram 75 - 1000 - 8 TD
Saquon 75- 700 - 3 TD receiving, 250- 1300 - 10 TD
If this happened, that means Eli had a very good year and we were moving the ball on most anyone we faced.
Hahahahaha...you and these predictions of yours. That's 4150 yards passing to only 3 players. A very good year indeed. Jesus.
You can see that huh? ::eye roll::
Engram is one of the fastest TE ever.
Barkley has the 99% Sparq score and ran an elite time.
Beckham is Beckham.
All have elite verticals and splits.
I can't think of a more explosive group. The TE tilts it our way.
Engram is one of the fastest TE ever.
Barkley has the 99% Sparq score and ran an elite time.
Beckham is Beckham.
All have elite verticals and splits.
I can't think of a more explosive group. The TE tilts it our way.
It is amazing to think about the potential. What is a Sparq score?
Rice, Jones, waters/Craig is another good one.
But if a poll was taken...
Emitt, Irvin, novacek would probably win.
OBJ 100 - 1400 - 8 TD
Shepard 80 - 1050 - 6 TD
Engram 75 - 1000 - 8 TD
Saquon 75- 700 - 3 TD receiving, 250- 1300 - 10 TD
If this happened, that means Eli had a very good year and we were moving the ball on most anyone we faced.
In this universe, just how many passes per game does Eli throw? Because you are projecting 330 receptions by these four players alone. That's about 21 receptions per game, which would imply (based on Eli's historical completion rate of 60%) 35 passes per game just to these four guys.
TE Jones on 49ers isn't close to this class. Barkley more explosive then Craig too.
Irvin and Novacek vs Beckham and Engram? I'd take our guys as straight up football players. About speed and explosion? Not close. NYG in a landslide.
WR, TE, RB? That's the trio that can attack a field in many ways. Never before, has an NFL team had a more explosive group.
WR, TE, RB? That's the trio that can attack a field in many ways. Never before, has an NFL team had a more explosive group.
I'm very excited for this season to start.
I wonder about the age of a lot of BBI posters.
A lot of them don't seem to have the smarts of your 11-year-old. Their posts suggest that they are either prepubescent, or just dumb as door knobs.
As for the most explosive Giant: that has to be JPP hands down (or hands up or off). ;-)
Barkley is in rare company with his score.
Lattimer is also a guy with a high Sparq score. He’s a big WR who can run and jump.
If OL holds up Giants will be a top scoring offense.
Saquon hasn't even played a down in the league yet.
Odell is special. He just needs to stay healthy.
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I can see the following:
OBJ 100 - 1400 - 8 TD
Shepard 80 - 1050 - 6 TD
Engram 75 - 1000 - 8 TD
Saquon 75- 700 - 3 TD receiving, 250- 1300 - 10 TD
If this happened, that means Eli had a very good year and we were moving the ball on most anyone we faced.
Hahahahaha...you and these predictions of yours. That's 4150 yards passing to only 3 players. A very good year indeed. Jesus.
chopperhatch : 5:01 pm : link : reply
2100 all purpose yards for Barkley in his rookie year.
You can see that huh? ::eye roll::
ummm..... use a calculator or an iphone next time?
I believe that many of those who voice such negativity about our QB will be eating crow by midseason. As far as the skill position players no other team in the NFL has a triplet that can score on any given play. Manning is going to flourish under Shurmur and when it happens many will have to admit they were wrong. Only it doesn't matter because it is the wins that count.
I am looking forward, and will just rejoice on the teams success.
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but can we maybe let Barkley play a few downs in the NFL first?
No. His bust is already in Canton.
Actually, they inducting his quads, not his bust!
Faulk, Holt, Bruce and Akeem... plus Faulk was basically the best pro rb over the last 20 years so until Barkley actually does it we give Faulk the edge in terms of Nfl athletic ability...
Gisnts have a shot to be special but these players have to be on the field together and do it first...
Faulk, Holt, Bruce and Akeem... plus Faulk was basically the best pro rb over the last 20 years so until Barkley actually does it we give Faulk the edge in terms of Nfl athletic ability...
Gisnts have a shot to be special but these players have to be on the field together and do it first...
Minor criticism but LaDainian I think is the best pro back of the last 20 years, Fault is second. There's not a significant gap, but there is a gap.
Honestly the Browns, yes the Browns, have to be excited with what they have at the skill positions. They drafted Nick Chubb, have Jarvis Landry, Josh Gordon, an explosive but oft injured Corey Coleman, and a very athletic TE who may come into his own in his sophomore year in David Njoku.
And in terms of explosiveness, Kareem Hunt, Tyreek Hill, and Travis Kelce has to get a mention.
Kelce and Hill are certainly explosive. Hunt is a tough runner but not very explosive. 4.6+ doesn't measure up to Barkley.
This.
My condolences.
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I can see the following:
OBJ 100 - 1400 - 8 TD
Shepard 80 - 1050 - 6 TD
Engram 75 - 1000 - 8 TD
Saquon 75- 700 - 3 TD receiving, 250- 1300 - 10 TD
If this happened, that means Eli had a very good year and we were moving the ball on most anyone we faced.
Hahahahaha...you and these predictions of yours. That's 4150 yards passing to only 3 players. A very good year indeed. Jesus.
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chopperhatch : 5:01 pm : link : reply
2100 all purpose yards for Barkley in his rookie year.
You can see that huh? ::eye roll::
ummm..... use a calculator or an iphone next time?
::snores:: I guess misreading the 1300 for 1400 as far as rush yards predicted qualifies for that snarky comment that had nothing to do with you.
Fine, 2000 all purpose for his rookie year. Eat me MAB.
QB - Dan Fouts - Pro bowl
RB - Chuck Muncie - Pro Bowl
WR - Wes Chandler - Pro Bowl in 8 games 49-1032 9 TD's
TE - Kellen Winslow - Pro Bowl
Fouts, Chandler and Winslow were 1st team All Pro Muncie was 2nd
And if Eli plays well, what will you say?
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The same people predicting Madden numbers for all the players on the team will say that those players let Eli down and the oline was trash and Mara and DG need to go because they ruined Eli
And if Eli plays well, what will you say?
I will say that he proved he can still play at a high level. Am not going to shy away from given props when they are earned. But I wont be given out passes
I will say that he proved he can still play at a high level. Am not going to shy away from given props when they are earned. But I wont be given out passes
No one is asking for passes, and if Eli plays poorly with this talent around him, I think even his most ardent defenders will agree it is time. It isn't crazy to think that his play over the past 2 seasons was due largely to a lack of support.
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I can see the following:
OBJ 100 - 1400 - 8 TD
Shepard 80 - 1050 - 6 TD
Engram 75 - 1000 - 8 TD
Saquon 75- 700 - 3 TD receiving, 250- 1300 - 10 TD
If this happened, that means Eli had a very good year and we were moving the ball on most anyone we faced.
In this universe, just how many passes per game does Eli throw? Because you are projecting 330 receptions by these four players alone. That's about 21 receptions per game, which would imply (based on Eli's historical completion rate of 60%) 35 passes per game just to these four guys.
That's a little high, but how many passes do you think the *other* WRs/TEs/RBs are going to catch? 50 would be a stretch, IMO with Ellison and Stewart the bulk of those. 21*16 = 336 and Eli's averaged 374 completions per season the last 4 years.
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I can see the following:
OBJ 100 - 1400 - 8 TD
Shepard 80 - 1050 - 6 TD
Engram 75 - 1000 - 8 TD
Saquon 75- 700 - 3 TD receiving, 250- 1300 - 10 TD
If this happened, that means Eli had a very good year and we were moving the ball on most anyone we faced.
Hahahahaha...you and these predictions of yours. That's 4150 yards passing to only 3 players. A very good year indeed. Jesus.
4150 yards to 4 players. I think his yards/rec are a little high for both Shepard and Engram, but probably a little low for Barkley.
Quite optimistic on Barkley's reception total too.
Also, that's only 25 passing TDs from Eli, which seems quite low given the yardage output. And Beckham is scoring double digit TDs if healthy and catching 100 balls.
I have no idea if your son is correct or not. There have been many, many, explosive athletes drafted and it seems possible that some team at some point had three prospects at the positions with equal or better measurables. Those prospects rarely were expected to contribute right away, and even if so, they were likely forgettable.
What would make him more likely correct would be to qualify the statement by saying the most explosive trio of expected starters in NFL history. This would eliminate the gym rats and athletic freaks teams are known to take fliers on, those guys whose numbers are equally impressive but were not top production guys in either college or the NFL.
I am sure you are including me and Britt in this as we are vocal supporters. FWIW, both him and I were in big favor of drafting a Qb at 2 in this draft.
Desean Jackson/Jordan Reed/Chris Thompson
Chris Johnson/Randy Moss/Jared Cook
Did you not see the dirty dancing video and that footwork? Its assume that he does!
Reggie Bush
Jimmy Graham
Robert Meachem.
Now as far as talent, we know NYG trio blows them out of the water, but atheltic wise - those guys explosiveness was very impressive.
Kelce and Hill are certainly explosive. Hunt is a tough runner but not very explosive. 4.6+ doesn't measure up to Barkley.
Reed was quick out of breaks, very good agility, and had enough speed. Lofton, even at his age on the Bills, had over 1000 yards and 8 TDs in 15 games on just 50 something catches in 1991...he was still the deep threat and had a lot of speed despite him being old for the position. That same season Reed had over 1100 yards and 10 TDs, and Thurman Thomas had 2038 yards from scrimmage and 12 scores. That trio that year had over 4100 yards combined and 30 TDs. I don't care if they are the best or most explosive or whatever in NFL history, but they certainly deserve to be mentioned in the conversation, especially considering the era they played in.
I thought about it for a while and can't think of anybody matching it.
Engram is one of the fastest TEs ever so that eliminates a lot of options.
This one is close:
Reggie Bush
Jimmy Graham
Robert Meachem
Bush and Meachem could run with anybody. I see Engram > Graham in terms of speed and explosion.
While you can find 2 WRs to match Engram and Beckham, we were trying to come up with a RB, TE, WR trio. Not RB, WR, WR.
Dep has the best call with the 3 from the Saints. I didn't think of them. They are right there with our group.
Looked it up (40 times only), Ram trio will be hard to top:
Faulk - 4.35
Holt - 4.38
Bruce - 4.53
Holt and Bruce were slower at combine then those numbers.
It should be TE, WR, RB.
Many WR pairs faster than Holt/Bruce
Cooks was 0.8 seconds slower in the 40, but better vertical and more reps than Engram.
Love the Barkley pick, but he's eating CJ2K's dust.
At best, Moss vs Beckham is a push. Beckham quicker in/out of cuts, but Moss's deep speed (at combine) blows him away.
You’re a wad
So the numbers reflect that all world toughness moreso than quicks- explosiveness.
Best guess - our new coach, great choice of coach IMO , won't use that sort of style, looking instead to get various players unique opportunities.
Cooks should be Jared Cook and yes, for half a season in TN.
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So the numbers reflect that all world toughness moreso than quicks- explosiveness.
Best guess - our new coach, great choice of coach IMO , won't use that sort of style, looking instead to get various players unique opportunities.
In 1991 Thurman Thomas ran the ball 288 times at 4.9 YPC. He also threw in over 600 yards receiving on 60 catches. While this isn't about production, Thurman Thomas was one of the best athletes at his position of his time. He was tremendously explosive. He was both quick and fast with breakaway speed. Levy did run him a ton, and overall I think that hurt his YPC numbers in some years, but he could take it to the house with the best of them.
I'm not going to say most explosive, but a pretty awesome trio was Terrell Davis, Shannon Sharpe, and Rod Smith. '97-'98 Broncos.
Back in 2008-2009, the 49ers had Frank Gore, Vernon Davis, and Josh Morgan. Josh Morgan fizzled out, but he was definitely an athlete. 4.46 40, and a ridiculous 40.5 inch vert at his pro day. Michael Crabtree was also on that team, but he wasn't and isn't a super-athlete in my estimation. Vernon Davis certainly was/is. Frank Gore didn't have the tremendous speed, but he was pretty quick and fast enough in his prime.
Greg Olsen, Christian McCaffrey, and Curtis Samuel last year. Yeah, Olsen probably isn't quite the athlete he used to be, but he ran a 4.51 and has vert jumped nearly 38 inches. Curtis Samuel obviously could fly but only made 4 starts in an injury-marred season, and McCaffrey is a stellar athlete himself.
The trio of Olsen, Steve Smith, and DeAngelo Williams was pretty good.
But from a pure athletic explosion standpoint, I do think Barkley, OBJ, and Engram is probably the best ever, if OBJ is fully recovered. I would love to see them all at their athletic best play together, it will be pretty fun to watch as long as Eli performs well.
Chris Johnson and Cooks were dynamic but no WR there. Johnson has the edge on everybody. Engram is more explosive then Cooks and already a tougher matchup than Cooks.