We are 2 weeks away from one of the only annual nights that matter for the Knicks- the NBA Draft. Of the 6 major mock drafts, 3 are projecting Sexton, 2 Trae Young, and 1 Wendell Carter. Unrelated to the Knicks, but the Doncic appears to be falling now.
Trae Young scares the hell out of me. I would prefer either Bridges- Mikal first, to taking Young. For me Porter Jr. would be the dream pick. I know the medical and personality concerns, but he's worth the risk. I saw an ESPN mock draft special a few weeks ago that had him dropping out of the lottery but that doesn't seem realistic.
Who would you guys be targeting? Knicks need to nail this one.
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I agree on Michael Porter - him falling is a dream scenario, and a risk the Knicks would absolutely have to take. He has the talent to be the top pick in this draft.
Realistically, I'm expect Mikal to be the choice. Happy to hear they've worked out Hamidou Diallo and Anfernee Simons - two high upside picks worth a gamble if they're on the board in the second round. Either way, there will be plenty of solid choices with that second round pick.
A Mikal/Diallo combo would be my realistic hope at this point.
will do a pro day for teams to come watch him workout but will only get to review what the chicago doctors did, no one else will be able to do a medical exam...
will do a pro day for teams to come watch him workout but will only get to review what the chicago doctors did, no one else will be able to do a medical exam...
I saw that too. Seems like a really odd strategy. I'm assuming he has a promise from the Bulls?
could really backfire on porter...
why is youngs ceiling higher than franks?
also youngs floor is way lower than franks...
he plays zero defense and i dont think his shooting will ever be at that level that takes him to a starting point guard...
he is a chuck and duck player
Dunking on Cody and Tyler all those years in High School has given a boost to the ego.
For the Knicks,I think they should go small forward somewhere in this draft.I'm a fan of
Mikal Bridges
Troy Brown
Kevin Huerter
Svi Mykhailiuk in the 2nd
i didnt say that, i am saying his best asset in my opinion will be his passing...
Seems more like Iman Shumpert to me.
i was just about to post about him
Side note but Nova has a chance at getting 4 guys drafted in the 1st round. 3 is more likely with Spellman going in the 2nd, but you never know. That really was an all time team.
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think Young will be a good shooter?
i didnt say that, i am saying his best asset in my opinion will be his passing...
He does have good vision, but I think for him to take off (best possible outcome) he will need to be raining 3s like Dame or Steph. I think his lack of athleticism can hurt his penetration/dump off ability. He needs to bring out defenses beyond the 3 point late when he crosses half court.
He also needs to be surrounded by high level defenders. Which I think the Knicks have 2 budding defensive talents with Frank and KP already. They have ~$40M to find two good defensive players at the 3 and 5 the next two years. As cliche as it sounds they'd be following the GS model, which if Young hits the higher limits of his potential could be interesting. Have KP/Young space the floor incredibly on offense. They'd need to land one big name in FA still but interesting if they do.
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think Young will be a good shooter?
i didnt say that, i am saying his best asset in my opinion will be his passing...
He does have good vision, but I think for him to take off (best possible outcome) he will need to be raining 3s like Dame or Steph. I think his lack of athleticism can hurt his penetration/dump off ability. He needs to bring out defenses beyond the 3 point late when he crosses half court.
He also needs to be surrounded by high level defenders. Which I think the Knicks have 2 budding defensive talents with Frank and KP already. They have ~$40M to find two good defensive players at the 3 and 5 the next two years. As cliche as it sounds they'd be following the GS model, which if Young hits the higher limits of his potential could be interesting. Have KP/Young space the floor incredibly on offense. They'd need to land one big name in FA still but interesting if they do.
agreed 100 percent for him to be a great pick his shooting needs to be his best asset but that is why k dont want him i dont think he will ever be that knock down shooter...
i think he qill have games where he is on fire but injust dont see it being consistent...
granted he is knly 19 but as soon as teams keyed on him his shooting went to shit that worries me...
and granted you are going to find flaws in any player that is available...
shit with mitchell last year, there were knocks about his height, could he play point and could he shoot...
mikal was in this morning, knox this weekend, carter at some point in the coming days as well
For the life of me I can't find one guy I like more than anyone else at around 9. I think last year was a really good draft, one of the deepest in years.
wendell carter- the fit with kp is rrally the big question mark, how do they fit defensevily. offensively i think they would be fine because both can shoot the 3 and carter could work in the post. he is a good passer, was rrally overshadowed at duke by bagley. very good rebounder, good bbiq and good hustle. i really like carter..
mikal bridges- safest player in this draft, will probably be able to guard 1-3, can knock down the 3 and really plays gpod defense. at worst he is 3 and d guy, now can he be better than that. will he create his own shot in the pros?
miles bridges- have liked him since last year, can guard 3 or 4, has really worked on his body to get down to 220 and 5 percent body fat. can he shoot the 3 in the pros? if he can beckme a knock down shooter in the mid range that would be huge for him. uber athletic for his size and is a willing passer. if he can add some dribble drive he can really become a building block..
kevin knox- biggest mystery in this draft in my opjnion. kentucky guys are always hard because of how calipari rjns his team, everyone sacrifices and everyone plays a role. super young and if you believe calipari in 3 years he will be the best player. very big and athletic could be a threat at the 4 spot..
i know you cant draft thinking this way but my only question is how he fits with kp..
If the Knocks were to try and trade up, someone mentioned they have a 2nd round pick. Can they move up by trading that 2nd and if so, how high could they go?
Porter Jr def has some ego concerns. Almost reminds me of Melo a little bit where he thinks he is better then he really is, with that being said a lot of that is immaturity. If he is there at 9 he has to be the pick unless there is a chronic injury. The upside is just too high. With that being said if Porter JR is gone I would see if the Clippers would take 9 for 12 and 13. I would rather take a chance with 2 picks and i dont think there will be a huge drop off from 9-12. Now I dont think Clips will do that so my view if you stay at 9 is BPA and that will be:
Sexton
Knox
Bridges Mikhail (Miles is a remote thrower)
Walker
I could be talked into Knox over Sexton, But I put a high value Sextons competitive drive and ability to perform well at a young age in big spots. Sexton has the killer instinct.
I guess Im a bit more skeptical on Miles and Knox than you are. Im afraid what Miles becomes if it doesnt all come together (the shooting, passing, ball handling, defense). He has good physical tools but he gets pushed around on both ends of the floor more than you would think. He can guard 3s, but will he be an elite perimeter defender? I can see him becoming switchable but not great defender, I think those 2 are mutually exclusive. Theres a master of none element to him for me.
Knox I think will be a great off ball player as a shooter. I think his weak handle makes him more one dimensional. But he has tools to become a good perimeter defender. Rebounding is an issue if he is to be a 4 (which might end up being his best position).
I think I give the edge to Knox over Miles. I think I consider Zhaire Smith over both, his BBIQ i think gets underrated and most people just think of him as an athletic freak. Very active on defense, constantly screening and moving the ball on offense. I'd be more comfortable with Smith or SGA over guys like Carter, Walker, Knox and Miles.
I guess Im a bit more skeptical on Miles and Knox than you are. Im afraid what Miles becomes if it doesnt all come together (the shooting, passing, ball handling, defense). He has good physical tools but he gets pushed around on both ends of the floor more than you would think. He can guard 3s, but will he be an elite perimeter defender? I can see him becoming switchable but not great defender, I think those 2 are mutually exclusive. Theres a master of none element to him for me.
Knox I think will be a great off ball player as a shooter. I think his weak handle makes him more one dimensional. But he has tools to become a good perimeter defender. Rebounding is an issue if he is to be a 4 (which might end up being his best position).
I think I give the edge to Knox over Miles. I think I consider Zhaire Smith over both, his BBIQ i think gets underrated and most people just think of him as an athletic freak. Very active on defense, constantly screening and moving the ball on offense. I'd be more comfortable with Smith or SGA over guys like Carter, Walker, Knox and Miles.
i thibk my mind i lean miles because i have seen it and k ox is a big mystery...
i like both and would be happy with either...
you are right about miles if it does not come together he is going to bust quick but i thibk he has the work ethic to figure it out...
knox we have not seen that work ethic and the knock has been laziness...
with the guards i like sexton, walker and smith because of their upside but i dont think knicks go there so i didnt write about the.
even though mikal is a good pick, i agree hr is an ehh pick, there is no excitement with him
Agreed on Sexton. I hope he wows them in his workout today and is seriously considered. If you want a culture change, an assassin like Sexton is a good way to start. I don't make too much of this glut at the guard position - Lee, Mudiay and Baker (LOL) aren't part of the future, and Burke still has more to prove (and is a FA next summer anyway).
Sexton, Frank, Hardaway, Dotson - with Burke as the wild card - is a solid stable of guards. You can easily have three of those guys on the court at the same time, too.
he plays zero defense and i dont think his shooting will ever be at that level that takes him to a starting point guard...
he is a chuck and duck player
This^^ It's the defense that scares me. Terrible defensive player. Basically, I see a good 3pt shooter with good passing, terrible D and not much penetration.
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But I put a high value Sextons competitive drive and ability to perform well at a young age in big spots. Sexton has the killer instinct.
Agreed on Sexton. I hope he wows them in his workout today and is seriously considered. If you want a culture change, an assassin like Sexton is a good way to start. I don't make too much of this glut at the guard position - Lee, Mudiay and Baker (LOL) aren't part of the future, and Burke still has more to prove (and is a FA next summer anyway).
Sexton, Frank, Hardaway, Dotson - with Burke as the wild card - is a solid stable of guards. You can easily have three of those guys on the court at the same time, too.
of the point guards sexton would be the guy i want because he is more of a drive and kick guy, better fit next to frank...
i like walker but he is not a driver he is a shooter...
mikal is your typical 3 and d guy, safest pick of the 3. can guard 1 through 3. question is what is his ceiling? can he add some dribble moves. winning culture 2 national championships...
miles athletic guy with a lot of question marks but has a very good work ethic. lost 20 pounds since his freshman year. question about what is his best position. can he shoot the nba 3?
knox complete mystery to me. calipari asks his players to sacrafice alot so you dont really know his full potential. can catch shoot, big enough to play the 4 but cam he guard on the perimiter.
Sorry, had an older version of this thread open. I saw the discussion of Sexton after my post. Apologies.
I want Mikal Bridges or Knox - they slot right into the 3 on day one.
if he added a consistent jump shot that is a very good player right there..
Im going this year. Very excited.
1 SGA - yes, he's Ntilikina-like, but I think the duo would be very unique and allow some "inter-change-ability" on both ends. Not unlike Frank, the kid is a tireless worker, intelligent player etc.
2 Sexton - the Bledsoe comparison has been out there but to me, EB is more about strength/power than speed whereas Sexton has the opposite ratio. Still, the kid has the elite athleticism for the position along with a personality that is ideal for how this team is hopefully transitioning as its brass has stated in terms of its vision.
3 Young - do I think he'll produce in the stat department? Yes. But will his defense be a nightmare? Also a yes.
Frankie, Dotson and our two draft picks will make for an interesting slate of games.
My opinion: DSJ is more of a ME player. He'll make some highlights, no doubt. His durability also seems Baron Davis like. Sexton seems like a born leader, fiery and tough. Sexton also seems like a kid that will take to coaching. Sexton is by no means a polished product as a floor general but he's a very smart and grounded kid. A lot to like.
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He'd be the best penetrator the Knicks have had in a long time. They lack slashers.
His run the break mentality would be fun to watch. Definitely a play with pace guy.
He and Frank together could give some opposing back courts a hard time defensively.
Incredibly competitive. I mean, just watch him in that 3 on 5 game. God, the Knicks could use that.
Negatives
Only an OK passer.
Lots of turnovers
Shot is a bit sketchy.
He is a lot like Fox last year, IMO. If I had to bet on who is the better player between Sexton and Young, I'm taking Sexton.
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He'd be the best penetrator the Knicks have had in a long time. They lack slashers.
His run the break mentality would be fun to watch. Definitely a play with pace guy.
He and Frank together could give some opposing back courts a hard time defensively.
Incredibly competitive. I mean, just watch him in that 3 on 5 game. God, the Knicks could use that.
Negatives
Only an OK passer.
Lots of turnovers
Shot is a bit sketchy.
He is a lot like Fox last year, IMO. If I had to bet on who is the better player between Sexton and Young, I'm taking Sexton.
Well said.
1 SGA - yes, he's Ntilikina-like, but I think the duo would be very unique and allow some "inter-change-ability" on both ends. Not unlike Frank, the kid is a tireless worker, intelligent player etc.
2 Sexton - the Bledsoe comparison has been out there but to me, EB is more about strength/power than speed whereas Sexton has the opposite ratio. Still, the kid has the elite athleticism for the position along with a personality that is ideal for how this team is hopefully transitioning as its brass has stated in terms of its vision.
3 Young - do I think he'll produce in the stat department? Yes. But will his defense be a nightmare? Also a yes.
Having SGA and Frank defensively would be crazy, 2 6'6' guards with 7 foot wingspans and tremendous lateral quickness. There might be some penetration/shooting issues with the pairing but you would have the foundation of an elite defense with those 2.
Young does so many things offensively, and oozes playmaking, Sexton is a physical freak, competitor and two way threat. If Jackson falls, he reminds me of Horford, i would do that for a big. If Doncic falls, that is easy.
But Sexton and Young, I expect those guys to rise, I hope we have a shot at either. I like SGA as well.
Porter is problem. His attitude is an issue. His back, is scary. For those reasons... I am out. His talent isn't the issue. He SHOULD go #2, but he won't because teams have learned their lessons.
But its cases like this where you wish a guy would stay in school. He seems so raw in terms of skills and feel for the game.
But its cases like this where you wish a guy would stay in school. He seems so raw in terms of skills and feel for the game.
Honestly he should have just transferred. Duke was the worst possible situation for him last year. If he switched spots with Sexton for example, I wonder how differently we're looking at their draft stock.
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seems like a top notch guy for all the measurables.
But its cases like this where you wish a guy would stay in school. He seems so raw in terms of skills and feel for the game.
Honestly he should have just transferred. Duke was the worst possible situation for him last year. If he switched spots with Sexton for example, I wonder how differently we're looking at their draft stock.
The two were close in ranking as high school prospects, right?
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seems like a top notch guy for all the measurables.
But its cases like this where you wish a guy would stay in school. He seems so raw in terms of skills and feel for the game.
Honestly he should have just transferred. Duke was the worst possible situation for him last year. If he switched spots with Sexton for example, I wonder how differently we're looking at their draft stock.
The two were close in ranking as high school prospects, right?
Yes, very close.
That video was painful...
I understand the injury and attitude concerns but this guy oozes talent. You could construct some incredible shooting lineups with him and KP at the 4/5. He also has the same standing reach of Anthony Davis. He has the potential to be a good defender.
This would a be homerun pick and well worth the risk for the Knicks.
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That video was painful...
I understand the injury and attitude concerns but this guy oozes talent. You could construct some incredible shooting lineups with him and KP at the 4/5. He also has the same standing reach of Anthony Davis. He has the potential to be a good defender.
This would a be homerun pick and well worth the risk for the Knicks.
Yeah the two doing the picking were cringe worthy.
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"There are people in Cleveland that will tell you that the Knicks should be considered a real threat for Kyrie Irving. Because Kyrie had talked about it, about playing with the Knicks with some players in that Cleveland locker room from what I was told." ~ @ChrisMannixYS
also kenyon martin thibks lebron is signing with knicks
absokutely zero chance lebron comes
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have to wonder if boston decides to keep rozier on a cheaper contrqct rather tha maxing irving.
i coukd see ainge trading irving...maybe not this off season but maybe at the deadline
Out of everyone in our ranch, he is the one with the "it" factor, along with Young. Young's lack of athleticism and size is a bit concerning, but you don't have that concern with Sexton.
For me: Porter, Sexton, than Smith....
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also kenyon martin thibks lebron is signing with knicks
Jalen Rose was on with Bill Simmons this week and said from things hes hearing that he feels Durant to the Knicks is a possibility after next season. Basically said that if he wins 3 rings with the Warriors only thing left to prove is that he can make a winner out of a place that hasnt won anything in decades and a big market like NY would make a lot of business sense. Also probably doesnt hurt that his manager Rich Kleiman is a Knicks fan...
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also kenyon martin thibks lebron is signing with knicks
Jalen Rose was on with Bill Simmons this week and said from things hes hearing that he feels Durant to the Knicks is a possibility after next season. Basically said that if he wins 3 rings with the Warriors only thing left to prove is that he can make a winner out of a place that hasnt won anything in decades and a big market like NY would make a lot of business sense. Also probably doesnt hurt that his manager Rich Kleiman is a Knicks fan...
durant doesnt seem like the type that would take that challenge...
irving i could see becomes he is from the area and grew up a knicks fan...
Maybe we could use the other side of the Lebron billboard for Durant
Durant, Irving, Kawhi, Klay, all free agents.
It's still staggering to me that that season the Knicks will be paying 37 fucking million dollars to Joakim Noah and Tim Hardaway. If you include Lance Thomas and Courtney Lee that number jumps to 56 MILLION!!!
56 million on Tim Hardaway, Joakim Noah, Courtney Lee and Lance Thomas.
Phil Phucked Us.
Eh, it was just a continuation of the status quo. Expecting anything from this franchise but idiocy and losing is fooling yourself.
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Phil Phucked Us.
Eh, it was just a continuation of the status quo. Expecting anything from this franchise but idiocy and losing is fooling yourself.
I don't like this take. Too defeatest. Nothing to suggest that Scott Perry is anything but competent so far.
Durant, Irving, Kawhi, Klay, all free agents.
It's still staggering to me that that season the Knicks will be paying 37 fucking million dollars to Joakim Noah and Tim Hardaway. If you include Lance Thomas and Courtney Lee that number jumps to 56 MILLION!!!
56 million on Tim Hardaway, Joakim Noah, Courtney Lee and Lance Thomas.
Phil Phucked Us.
lance will be release and save 7 million non guaranteed last year...
noah is going to end up stretched if a free agent wants to come
knicks just have to be smart
noah is going to end up stretched if a free agent wants to come
knicks just have to be smart
You can't assume shit. When it's done, it's done. At the moment they're on the hook for 57 mil for two average role players and two trash players.
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would have to assumr lee is traded this off season for an expiring...
noah is going to end up stretched if a free agent wants to come
knicks just have to be smart
You can't assume shit. When it's done, it's done. At the moment they're on the hook for 57 mil for two average role players and two trash players.
jon not going to argue that and you are right...
knicks could easily stretch noah this year spend the money and fuck themselves...lets hope they are true to their word and are patient...
Being a defeatist is never sensible.
Caps, Eagles and cubs all won world titles recently. If youre a sports fan and cant possess even a shred of hope....whats the point? Not singling you out just making a point. I have no use for discussing what happened at msg 3-4-5 years ago. It means nothing.
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either way? But Dolan is still the owner and Steve Mills still has a job. Until they show otherwise, being defeatist is a sensible posture.
Being a defeatist is never sensible.
Caps, Eagles and cubs all won world titles recently. If youre a sports fan and cant possess even a shred of hope....whats the point? Not singling you out just making a point. I have no use for discussing what happened at msg 3-4-5 years ago. It means nothing.
The structure and competitive levels of the NBA arent comparable to those sports. Basketball allows for very little randomness or chance, the best teams win out consistently.
you dont have to trade him for nothing, a expiring will work fine...
or something like lee for aldrich and 20
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either way? But Dolan is still the owner and Steve Mills still has a job. Until they show otherwise, being defeatist is a sensible posture.
Being a defeatist is never sensible.
Caps, Eagles and cubs all won world titles recently. If youre a sports fan and cant possess even a shred of hope....whats the point? Not singling you out just making a point. I have no use for discussing what happened at msg 3-4-5 years ago. It means nothing.
The structure and competitive levels of the NBA arent comparable to those sports. Basketball allows for very little randomness or chance, the best teams win out consistently.
Word? What did the Warriors win before 2014? LeBron is probably the greatest player of all time, and he's 3-5 about to be 3-6 in the Finals.
Build a good team and you can compete.
Have the Knicks had good luck? Like, ever? Maybe the last time was the Hue Hollins call that helped them get into the 1994 Finals.
Have the Knicks had good luck? Like, ever? Maybe the last time was the Hue Hollins call that helped them get into the 1994 Finals.
Sure they have. KP is a goddamn unicorn and he was drafted after D'Angelo Russell and Jahlil Okafor.
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Dude what? He was an all star last year as a 21 year old just tapping into the potential of his game. That's despite terrible coaching and mismanagement.
There's such a huge gap between "carry a team to a title" and "good player".
Sexton
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Miles B.
Knox
Taking another PG does seem unattractive but I suppose it's BPA when you're not very good like the Knicks.
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Taking another PG does seem unattractive but I suppose it's BPA when you're not very good like the Knicks.
I think the list is longer than that. I'd add Wendell Carter, Zhaire Smith and Michael Porter Jr to the list. Probably Lonnie Walker too.
There isnt one single person here that had KP pegged as a 20-7-3 guy in his 3rd year.
Hes a huge piece moving toward.
I expect us to be pretty excited about our future going into the summer of 2019, with the ninth pick this year, a probable lottery pick next year, and money to spend.
I think frenchy is going to be a good starter. He can defend, shoot and finish. Just needs experience, confidence and more growth/strength. Hes got the most important attribute work ethic.
If not give me Trae Young..
My opinion will change maybe, but I want Porter for sure
why? why cant he be a 2?
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We dont have 1 & 2.
why? why cant he be a 2?
Why cant he be a one??
Again, no one had KP doing what he did in year 3 back when he was drafted. No all of a sudden hes a finished product?
KP is on a wonderful trajectory. The injury sucked but it wont stop him. Hes going to be a super star player if hes not insanely unlucky along the way.
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The Knicks have representation at the Priority Sports Pro Day in Chicago, where Michael Porter Jr. is working out, per sources. Knicks president Steve Mills and GM Scott Perry were not there but the Knicks have a pre-draft meeting scheduled with Porter Jr., per ESPN sources.
Agreed. He definitely has a long way to go. He was a disaster offensively. Lets see how things shake out these next 6 months. Its unfair to just assume that Frankie will go from bad to good offensively.
A guy like Mikal is a fine pick, but he needs a playmaker to get him open looks, too. The pieces won't fall into place until we get that slashing guard who will get KP layups and dunks, and get the wings some open looks from deep.
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Taking another PG does seem unattractive but I suppose it's BPA when you're not very good like the Knicks.
I think the list is longer than that. I'd add Wendell Carter, Zhaire Smith and Michael Porter Jr to the list. Probably Lonnie Walker too.
I agree that once you get past the top 5, in whichever order they may go, things seem pretty wide open.
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The Phoenix Suns are showing serious interest in Trae Young, looking to trade for another pick in the Top 10 to draft him.