NFT: Knicks Draft

Too many lost 30-win seasons this century with no lottery picks to cash in. I'm excited about #9 and #36. Trae Young scares me, too - Begley reported the Knicks like him but told him they don't expect him to be on the board. Wendell is a long shot, too.

I agree on Michael Porter - him falling is a dream scenario, and a risk the Knicks would absolutely have to take. He has the talent to be the top pick in this draft.

Realistically, I'm expect Mikal to be the choice. Happy to hear they've worked out Hamidou Diallo and Anfernee Simons - two high upside picks worth a gamble if they're on the board in the second round. Either way, there will be plenty of solid choices with that second round pick.

A Mikal/Diallo combo would be my realistic hope at this point.

porter seems intent on getting drafted by chicago, will only qorkout and let their doctors give him a physical...

will do a pro day for teams to come watch him workout but will only get to review what the chicago doctors did, no one else will be able to do a medical exam...

In comment 13985495 nygiants16 said:

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porter seems intent on getting drafted by chicago, will only qorkout and let their doctors give him a physical... will do a pro day for teams to come watch him workout but will only get to review what the chicago doctors did, no one else will be able to do a medical exam...

I saw that too. Seems like a really odd strategy. I'm assuming he has a promise from the Bulls?

mudiay did the same thing, only worked out for top 4 because he was told he had a promise from knicks..

could really backfire on porter...

Young but i dont think its a throw the remote pick. I think its a realistic possibility Young becomes a 40% shooter while consistently knocking down 25+ foot 3 pointers. I don't think he's as athletic as Curry though, so I can see him topping off as a high level 6th man. But the ceiling is there based on shooting ability alone.

scares so many people. What are you expecting at 9? Last year at 8 they took Frank. Young's ceiling is a lot higher than Frank's and not sure his floor is any lower. And if Young is scary to you then Porter's injury history and secretiveness about it should be terrifying.

In comment 13985524 bluepepper said:

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scares so many people. What are you expecting at 9? Last year at 8 they took Frank. Young's ceiling is a lot higher than Frank's and not sure his floor is any lower. And if Young is scary to you then Porter's injury history and secretiveness about it should be terrifying.

why is youngs ceiling higher than franks?

also youngs floor is way lower than franks...

his shot is not what i think will be his best attribute, it will be his passing he has very good vision...

he plays zero defense and i dont think his shooting will ever be at that level that takes him to a starting point guard...

he is a chuck and duck player

among other things

Dunking on Cody and Tyler all those years in High School has given a boost to the ego.

For the Knicks,I think they should go small forward somewhere in this draft.I'm a fan of

Mikal Bridges
Troy Brown
Kevin Huerter
Svi Mykhailiuk in the 2nd

think Young will be a good shooter?

may be better in the long run. I'm thinking about Zhaire Smith. He's a great athlete, a high percentage shooter and a talented defender.

In comment 13985545 giantsfan44ab said:

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think Young will be a good shooter?

i didnt say that, i am saying his best asset in my opinion will be his passing...

Please! This years donovan mitchell

In comment 13985556 KWhite2250 said:

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Please! This years donovan mitchell

Seems more like Iman Shumpert to me.

In comment 13985556 KWhite2250 said:

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Please! This years donovan mitchell

i was just about to post about him

Very unlikely it happens, but what if a guy the Clippers covet falls to 9 and offer the Knicks 12 and 13. You taking that? I'd be open to any trade scenario to acquire more picks.

Side note but Nova has a chance at getting 4 guys drafted in the 1st round. 3 is more likely with Spellman going in the 2nd, but you never know. That really was an all time team.

In comment 13985554 nygiants16 said:

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In comment 13985545 giantsfan44ab said: Quote: think Young will be a good shooter? i didnt say that, i am saying his best asset in my opinion will be his passing...

He does have good vision, but I think for him to take off (best possible outcome) he will need to be raining 3s like Dame or Steph. I think his lack of athleticism can hurt his penetration/dump off ability. He needs to bring out defenses beyond the 3 point late when he crosses half court.

He also needs to be surrounded by high level defenders. Which I think the Knicks have 2 budding defensive talents with Frank and KP already. They have ~$40M to find two good defensive players at the 3 and 5 the next two years. As cliche as it sounds they'd be following the GS model, which if Young hits the higher limits of his potential could be interesting. Have KP/Young space the floor incredibly on offense. They'd need to land one big name in FA still but interesting if they do.

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presumed possibilities is Miles Bridges.

In comment 13985570 giantsfan44ab said:

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In comment 13985554 nygiants16 said: Quote: In comment 13985545 giantsfan44ab said: Quote: think Young will be a good shooter? i didnt say that, i am saying his best asset in my opinion will be his passing... He does have good vision, but I think for him to take off (best possible outcome) he will need to be raining 3s like Dame or Steph. I think his lack of athleticism can hurt his penetration/dump off ability. He needs to bring out defenses beyond the 3 point late when he crosses half court. He also needs to be surrounded by high level defenders. Which I think the Knicks have 2 budding defensive talents with Frank and KP already. They have ~$40M to find two good defensive players at the 3 and 5 the next two years. As cliche as it sounds they'd be following the GS model, which if Young hits the higher limits of his potential could be interesting. Have KP/Young space the floor incredibly on offense. They'd need to land one big name in FA still but interesting if they do.

agreed 100 percent for him to be a great pick his shooting needs to be his best asset but that is why k dont want him i dont think he will ever be that knock down shooter...

i think he qill have games where he is on fire but injust dont see it being consistent...

granted he is knly 19 but as soon as teams keyed on him his shooting went to shit that worries me...

and granted you are going to find flaws in any player that is available...

shit with mitchell last year, there were knocks about his height, could he play point and could he shoot...

In comment 13985573 bceagle05 said:

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mikal was in this morning, knox this weekend, carter at some point in the coming days as well

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ending up as a ~40% 3 point shooter on 8-10 attempts per game is one of the safest bets in the draft. But I also want to see Burke for a full year at the starter position. With his wingspan I can see Burke not being a liability all the time on D.

For the life of me I can't find one guy I like more than anyone else at around 9. I think last year was a really good draft, one of the deepest in years.

trae young- offensively great passer, a lot of turnovers but i think a lot of that is ball was always in his hands. shot lights out to start season then teams keyed on him and he chucked and missed a lot of shots and the team went to shit. no defense and there is really no potential there to be some great defender, if he is not lazy you can live with it.

wendell carter- the fit with kp is rrally the big question mark, how do they fit defensevily. offensively i think they would be fine because both can shoot the 3 and carter could work in the post. he is a good passer, was rrally overshadowed at duke by bagley. very good rebounder, good bbiq and good hustle. i really like carter..

mikal bridges- safest player in this draft, will probably be able to guard 1-3, can knock down the 3 and really plays gpod defense. at worst he is 3 and d guy, now can he be better than that. will he create his own shot in the pros?

miles bridges- have liked him since last year, can guard 3 or 4, has really worked on his body to get down to 220 and 5 percent body fat. can he shoot the 3 in the pros? if he can beckme a knock down shooter in the mid range that would be huge for him. uber athletic for his size and is a willing passer. if he can add some dribble drive he can really become a building block..

kevin knox- biggest mystery in this draft in my opjnion. kentucky guys are always hard because of how calipari rjns his team, everyone sacrifices and everyone plays a role. super young and if you believe calipari in 3 years he will be the best player. very big and athletic could be a threat at the 4 spot..

In comment 13985580 steve in ky said:

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i know you cant draft thinking this way but my only question is how he fits with kp..

Certainly the best upside. For sure I would not draft for need.

If the Knocks were to try and trade up, someone mentioned they have a 2nd round pick. Can they move up by trading that 2nd and if so, how high could they go?

Is an absolute remote thrower. In today’s NBA with the exception of Steph Curry your PG has to play defense. Trae Young is not athletic, undersized and not nearly as good as Steph Curry. They have to pass on him. And for what it’s worth I consider Frank’s upside to be higher because he will be an elite defender and I think he can be average at minmimum on offense. I don’t see Trae Young ever being average on defense. From a complete player perspective I like Frank better for the long term.

Porter Jr def has some ego concerns. Almost reminds me of Melo a little bit where he thinks he is better then he really is, with that being said a lot of that is immaturity. If he is there at 9 he has to be the pick unless there is a chronic injury. The upside is just too high. With that being said if Porter JR is gone I would see if the Clippers would take 9 for 12 and 13. I would rather take a chance with 2 picks and i don’t think there will be a huge drop off from 9-12. Now I don’t think Clips will do that so my view if you stay at 9 is BPA and that will be:

Sexton
Knox
Bridges Mikhail (Miles is a remote thrower)
Walker

I could be talked into Knox over Sexton, But I put a high value Sexton’s competitive drive and ability to perform well at a young age in big spots. Sexton has the killer instinct.

thats how i feel abot the questions marks about a lot of those guys.

I guess Im a bit more skeptical on Miles and Knox than you are. Im afraid what Miles becomes if it doesnt all come together (the shooting, passing, ball handling, defense). He has good physical tools but he gets pushed around on both ends of the floor more than you would think. He can guard 3s, but will he be an elite perimeter defender? I can see him becoming switchable but not great defender, I think those 2 are mutually exclusive. Theres a master of none element to him for me.

Knox I think will be a great off ball player as a shooter. I think his weak handle makes him more one dimensional. But he has tools to become a good perimeter defender. Rebounding is an issue if he is to be a 4 (which might end up being his best position).

I think I give the edge to Knox over Miles. I think I consider Zhaire Smith over both, his BBIQ i think gets underrated and most people just think of him as an athletic freak. Very active on defense, constantly screening and moving the ball on offense. I'd be more comfortable with Smith or SGA over guys like Carter, Walker, Knox and Miles.

overall not thrilled with any of the options at 9. I still guess I like Mikal Bridges the most, but I wouldn't be absolutely ecstatic with him.

In comment 13985638 giantsfan44ab said:

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thats how i feel abot the questions marks about a lot of those guys. I guess Im a bit more skeptical on Miles and Knox than you are. Im afraid what Miles becomes if it doesnt all come together (the shooting, passing, ball handling, defense). He has good physical tools but he gets pushed around on both ends of the floor more than you would think. He can guard 3s, but will he be an elite perimeter defender? I can see him becoming switchable but not great defender, I think those 2 are mutually exclusive. Theres a master of none element to him for me. Knox I think will be a great off ball player as a shooter. I think his weak handle makes him more one dimensional. But he has tools to become a good perimeter defender. Rebounding is an issue if he is to be a 4 (which might end up being his best position). I think I give the edge to Knox over Miles. I think I consider Zhaire Smith over both, his BBIQ i think gets underrated and most people just think of him as an athletic freak. Very active on defense, constantly screening and moving the ball on offense. I'd be more comfortable with Smith or SGA over guys like Carter, Walker, Knox and Miles.

i thibk my mind i lean miles because i have seen it and k ox is a big mystery...

i like both and would be happy with either...

you are right about miles if it does not come together he is going to bust quick but i thibk he has the work ethic to figure it out...

knox we have not seen that work ethic and the knock has been laziness...

with the guards i like sexton, walker and smith because of their upside but i dont think knicks go there so i didnt write about the.

In comment 13985643 Jon in NYC said:

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overall not thrilled with any of the options at 9. I still guess I like Mikal Bridges the most, but I wouldn't be absolutely ecstatic with him.

even though mikal is a good pick, i agree hr is an ehh pick, there is no excitement with him

Mikal just has such a low bust rate. He's going to be a pretty decent defender and a good shooter at the very least. If he can add some muscle or figure out how to dribble, he has some pretty high upside. Worst case scenario though is someone like Otto Porter, who is a very useful player on a winning team.

At one point I was hoping he would fall to the Knicks in round 2 but his stock has shot up since then and that's not happening.

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But I put a high value Sexton’s competitive drive and ability to perform well at a young age in big spots. Sexton has the killer instinct.

Agreed on Sexton. I hope he wows them in his workout today and is seriously considered. If you want a culture change, an assassin like Sexton is a good way to start. I don't make too much of this glut at the guard position - Lee, Mudiay and Baker (LOL) aren't part of the future, and Burke still has more to prove (and is a FA next summer anyway).

Sexton, Frank, Hardaway, Dotson - with Burke as the wild card - is a solid stable of guards. You can easily have three of those guys on the court at the same time, too.

In comment 13985532 nygiants16 said:

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his shot is not what i think will be his best attribute, it will be his passing he has very good vision... he plays zero defense and i dont think his shooting will ever be at that level that takes him to a starting point guard... he is a chuck and duck player

This^^ It's the defense that scares me. Terrible defensive player. Basically, I see a good 3pt shooter with good passing, terrible D and not much penetration.

is actually a really good read on Miles Bridges
Link - ( New Window )

but watched literally zero college hoops this year. Anyone got a link to a good breakdown between Mikal/Miles/Knox or want to shed some light?

In comment 13985666 bceagle05 said:

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Quote: But I put a high value Sexton’s competitive drive and ability to perform well at a young age in big spots. Sexton has the killer instinct. Agreed on Sexton. I hope he wows them in his workout today and is seriously considered. If you want a culture change, an assassin like Sexton is a good way to start. I don't make too much of this glut at the guard position - Lee, Mudiay and Baker (LOL) aren't part of the future, and Burke still has more to prove (and is a FA next summer anyway). Sexton, Frank, Hardaway, Dotson - with Burke as the wild card - is a solid stable of guards. You can easily have three of those guys on the court at the same time, too.

of the point guards sexton would be the guy i want because he is more of a drive and kick guy, better fit next to frank...

i like walker but he is not a driver he is a shooter...

He doesn't turn 19 until August. I think there's a lot of tools there. He averaged 15.6 ppg despite playing out of positon. 34% from 3 may not sound great but that's up from around 25% while in high school I hear. Solid FT shooter and has the length/athleticism to be a plus defender. He definitely still needs some development but the potential is there and I think Fizdale is the kind of coach to get the most out of him.

In comment 13985673 Sgrcts said:

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but watched literally zero college hoops this year. Anyone got a link to a good breakdown between Mikal/Miles/Knox or want to shed some light?

mikal is your typical 3 and d guy, safest pick of the 3. can guard 1 through 3. question is what is his ceiling? can he add some dribble moves. winning culture 2 national championships...

miles athletic guy with a lot of question marks but has a very good work ethic. lost 20 pounds since his freshman year. question about what is his best position. can he shoot the nba 3?

knox complete mystery to me. calipari asks his players to sacrafice alot so you dont really know his full potential. can catch shoot, big enough to play the 4 but cam he guard on the perimiter.

is the consensus opinion on Sexton? I didn't watch him play much this year.

In comment 13985684 NJGiantFan84 said:

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is the consensus opinion on Sexton? I didn't watch him play much this year.

Sorry, had an older version of this thread open. I saw the discussion of Sexton after my post. Apologies.

desperately need talent on the wings. they have none. atleast at PG they have Frank.

I want Mikal Bridges or Knox - they slot right into the 3 on day one.

he has that dog me tality you see in westbrook. i like that type of player, i like thag player who wont back down, and you add him with frank defensively would be really fun to watch..

if he added a consistent jump shot that is a very good player right there..

despite management being on record saying they'd prefer a wing. Either people know the Knicks like him or they just assume smokescreens. We'll find out soon enough. I had no problem passing on Dennis Smith last year because there are Dennis Smiths in every draft - Sexton is a perfect example of that, and could easily be even better than DSJr.

along with dotson i would assumr, we will get to see early on how hard these guys are working and a small sample of how they mesh..

In comment 13985704 nygiants16 said:

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along with dotson i would assumr, we will get to see early on how hard these guys are working and a small sample of how they mesh..

Im going this year. Very excited.

Is another major remote thrower. Guy is not worth getting with the 9th pick. So many players with better upside.

I am hoping we can find a WING but if it has to be a lead guard, I'd rank them:

1 SGA - yes, he's Ntilikina-like, but I think the duo would be very unique and allow some "inter-change-ability" on both ends. Not unlike Frank, the kid is a tireless worker, intelligent player etc.

2 Sexton - the Bledsoe comparison has been out there but to me, EB is more about strength/power than speed whereas Sexton has the opposite ratio. Still, the kid has the elite athleticism for the position along with a personality that is ideal for how this team is hopefully transitioning as its brass has stated in terms of its vision.

3 Young - do I think he'll produce in the stat department? Yes. But will his defense be a nightmare? Also a yes.

They're in Vegas this year too, where MSG usually does a better job of broadcasting it - the Orlando League games look like they're played in a junior high school gymnasium, which makes it a logistical nightmare, I'm sure.

Frankie, Dotson and our two draft picks will make for an interesting slate of games.