Stanton, plus cash considerations contingent on Stanton not opting out (not just the Marlins $30M, but half the remaining contract).
Sheffield
Frazier
Andujar
Mets send:
Thor or deGrom (I prefer Thor)
Cespedes
Familia
Stanton doesn't seem comfortable with the Yankees and I read a rumor the Yankees may shop him at the DL, it's a hard sell, the chance he doesn't opt out will scare almost everyone away except the most desperate teams.
The Mets would normally never take on that risk, but at half the contract maybe they would.
Cespedes has 2 years left, Stanton has 2 years left before he needs to make his opt out decision.
Then it becomes Sheffield, Andujar, and Frazier for Thor and Familia
Jacob DeGrom
Absdrubel Cabrera
Noah Syndergauurd
Jayrus Fammillia
Mets receive
Clint Frazier
Justus Sheffield
Chance Adams
Domingo German
Brandon Drury
Tyler Austin
Tyler Wade
Tommy Kahnle
You should really be embarrassed to post all the shit you do on Yankees threads. Can't you pick up on the fact that tons of separate posters have told you how awful your posts are? Maybe give it a break for a while.
Pass on both of the Met pitchers even if the two teams Â
watched pigs fly and hell freeze over and wanted to trade. They're both terrific but the price would be too much. In my opinion the Yankees should keep most or all of their chips until the winter and look to sign free agent pitchers before using any of them. There will be a 2019 baseball season too. Give me Hamels for a few players that have no Yankee future and we can go from there in 2018.
Im not buying that the Yankees will shop Stanton. Â
Curious where you saw that. Also, did his NTC disappear or does he need to waive it again. Call me crazy, but I don't see him waiving it to go from the Yanks to the Mets.
Frazier, Andujar, Sheffield and maybe a B prospect for Degrom. Deal?
The Yankee would plug one hole and open up two new ones in the outfield and at third base. I have absolutely no interest in an aging Cespedes and his constant injuries.
two teams just don't match up for various reasons. Teams like the Indians, Brewers, Rockies, Arizona etc are much better fits for both sides.
Across those 4 teams, there are what, 2 blue chippers in total? Rodgers and Mejia? And not a ton of quality second/third pieces.p
Not to mention, if Cleveland wants to push more chips to the center of the table, they’re adding bats and not arms, IMO.
Rodgers is a top 5 prospect in baseball, Mackenzie is a top 25 prospect in baseball (+ they have Mejia who is having a horrendous season but also a top 25 prospect in the game). The Indians also netted Naylor and Hankins via the draft and the new rules allow them to be traded. There are absolutely teams that match up much, much better. Keston Hiura is an absolute hitting machine for the Brewers, Hiura/Turang would be a nice 1-2 punch as part of a deal etc etc.
watched pigs fly and hell freeze over and wanted to trade. They're both terrific but the price would be too much. In my opinion the Yankees should keep most or all of their chips until the winter and look to sign free agent pitchers before using any of them. There will be a 2019 baseball season too. Give me Hamels for a few players that have no Yankee future and we can go from there in 2018.
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Dan, you're kind of underrated Frazier and Sheffield Â
Other than Rogers, the guys you're talking about are top 25 prospects, not top 10, and Frazier was a top 25 prospect last year. Sheffield is top 50. If you want to say the Mets can do better, that's fine, but you're acting as if there's a huge gulf between the players you cite and Frazier/Sheffield, and there really isn't, aside from Rogers.
There's also the fact that DeGrom is going to be getting a huge contract soon, and that's going to factor into trade possibilities.
two teams just don't match up for various reasons. Teams like the Indians, Brewers, Rockies, Arizona etc are much better fits for both sides.
Across those 4 teams, there are what, 2 blue chippers in total? Rodgers and Mejia? And not a ton of quality second/third pieces.p
Not to mention, if Cleveland wants to push more chips to the center of the table, they’re adding bats and not arms, IMO.
Rodgers is a top 5 prospect in baseball, Mackenzie is a top 25 prospect in baseball (+ they have Mejia who is having a horrendous season but also a top 25 prospect in the game). The Indians also netted Naylor and Hankins via the draft and the new rules allow them to be traded. There are absolutely teams that match up much, much better. Keston Hiura is an absolute hitting machine for the Brewers, Hiura/Turang would be a nice 1-2 punch as part of a deal etc etc.
The Indians don’t need pitching. You can like their prospects, but I’d be shocked if they added a really costly arm. I don’t see how it’s remotely a match.
Maybe there’s something there with Colorado, sure.
I don’t see how Hiura + Turang is any more compelling than some combination of Andujar/Florial/Frazier/Sheffield/Adams/Medina.
RE: RE: Pass on both of the Met pitchers even if the two teams Â
watched pigs fly and hell freeze over and wanted to trade. They're both terrific but the price would be too much. In my opinion the Yankees should keep most or all of their chips until the winter and look to sign free agent pitchers before using any of them. There will be a 2019 baseball season too. Give me Hamels for a few players that have no Yankee future and we can go from there in 2018.
This is the correct answer.
Agreed and I hope it's Cashman's thinking as well.
Brewers don't have a particularly loaded farm. The point is other teams have blue chip position prospects (Hiura would be the best position prospect on either the Yankees or Brewers). But there are plenty of teams that would be in on an available DeGrom. In fact, almost every contender would be interested and because of his contract "every" team could afford him.
Braves, Red Sox (farm sucks but I'm talking interest), Mariners (same), Phillies, Cubs, Brewers, Cardinals and entire NL West would ALL be interest in DeGrom if he were put up for auction.
This group is not without its upside. Sheffield and Abreu are decently ranked prospects, Adams had a good season in the minors last year, Swanson has merited Fringe Five status, and Stephan and Loaisiga have decent projections. However, Sheffield has walked 13% of batters faced this season, Abreu has been limited by an appendix injury and pitched poorly this year down in High-A, Adams’ Triple-A numbers aren’t very good, Loaisiga and Stephan hadn’t pitched above Low-A before the season started, and Swanson and Rogers can’t be expected to bring much to the table. If the Yankees lose another starter, their odds of winning the division, and consequently the World Series, will be diminished considerably.
It might be tempting to look at all the talent on the Yankees and think they can get by with a replacement-level fifth starter. They will probably make the playoffs if they make no moves, so it isn’t as if they have to do something to be competitive. If they want to considerably increase their odds of postseason success, however they will need to add someone — perhaps soon. If they are going to make a move now, they would need to target teams that are already out of the race.
There are always arms available, and surely some of the potential options would be a fit. Cole Hamels might be too expensive or cost more in prospects if the Yankees need Texas to pay most of the salary. Michael Fulmer might cost too much in talent. Chris Archer, J.A. Happ, and Marcus Stroman might not be available yet or at all. Perhaps Tyson Ross or Jordan Lyles of the Padres would make sense. Danny Duffy hasn’t pitched well this season. Madison Bumgarner, Jacob deGrom, and any Orioles pitcher seem far-fetched as a possibility. The trade picture is going to clear up quite a bit over the next couple months, and if the Yankees are going to win the division, they are probably going to need to make a trade for a starting pitcher. Link - ( New Window )
Jacob DeGrom
Absdrubel Cabrera
Noah Syndergauurd
Jayrus Fammillia
Mets receive
Clint Frazier
Justus Sheffield
Chance Adams
Domingo German
Brandon Drury
Tyler Austin
Tyler Wade
Tommy Kahnle
You should really be embarrassed to post all the shit you do on Yankees threads. Can't you pick up on the fact that tons of separate posters have told you how awful your posts are? Maybe give it a break for a while.
Please just send deGrom somewhere he can win. It makes me sick watching him pitch like this on a team that is going absolutely nowhere. He deserves better. He's been doing this for peanuts all this time.
I doubt the Yanks would even consider trading for deGrom unless the Mets gave them a massive discount. He will be 30 shortly, and will be looking for #1 SP money just as he is entering his decline stage (early 30's). He has already had two arm problems and one arm surgery.
Sure, deGrom might be a difference maker in 2018- but the Yanks got within a game of the WS in 2017 with about what they have now- and they have 3-4 arms who can be rotation pieces within reach of NY- including Sheffield, who may be the Yanks trade deadline addition to the rotation.
The problem with deGrom is while he has outstanding numbers, his long term projection is really not good. The Yanks are looking at a potentially very long window of contention- and are NOT going to trade away their future for immediate returns.
If they DO add a SP, it won't be at the "asks" teams are looking for. Instead, the Yanks will be looking to add guys with short term contracts who won't cost much in terms of prospects- or salary.
I think that the most likely scenario is that the Yanks trade several B level prospects to SD for Tyson Ross. Plan B might be Hamels, but they would have to wait for the deadline to make a deal because of salary- unless they can dump Walker, etc.
I doubt the Yanks would even consider trading for deGrom unless the Mets gave them a massive discount. He will be 30 shortly, and will be looking for #1 SP money just as he is entering his decline stage (early 30's). He has already had two arm problems and one arm surgery.
Sure, deGrom might be a difference maker in 2018- but the Yanks got within a game of the WS in 2017 with about what they have now- and they have 3-4 arms who can be rotation pieces within reach of NY- including Sheffield, who may be the Yanks trade deadline addition to the rotation.
The problem with deGrom is while he has outstanding numbers, his long term projection is really not good. The Yanks are looking at a potentially very long window of contention- and are NOT going to trade away their future for immediate returns.
If they DO add a SP, it won't be at the "asks" teams are looking for. Instead, the Yanks will be looking to add guys with short term contracts who won't cost much in terms of prospects- or salary.
I think that the most likely scenario is that the Yanks trade several B level prospects to SD for Tyson Ross. Plan B might be Hamels, but they would have to wait for the deadline to make a deal because of salary- unless they can dump Walker, etc.
The first line is absurd. DeGrom is team controlled for 2 years past this one. A "discount" for 2.5 control? wow.
Max Scherzer is 33 years old and Justin Verlander is 35.
Both guys are as good as they've been in their entire careers.
I don't think deGrom is going to slow down any time soon. In fact, this is the best he's ever looked in his entire career. He's getting smarter and his stuff is still as good as ever.
Barring injury, I think he's going to age quite well.
I doubt the Yanks would even consider trading for deGrom unless the Mets gave them a massive discount. He will be 30 shortly, and will be looking for #1 SP money just as he is entering his decline stage (early 30's). He has already had two arm problems and one arm surgery.
Sure, deGrom might be a difference maker in 2018- but the Yanks got within a game of the WS in 2017 with about what they have now- and they have 3-4 arms who can be rotation pieces within reach of NY- including Sheffield, who may be the Yanks trade deadline addition to the rotation.
The problem with deGrom is while he has outstanding numbers, his long term projection is really not good. The Yanks are looking at a potentially very long window of contention- and are NOT going to trade away their future for immediate returns.
If they DO add a SP, it won't be at the "asks" teams are looking for. Instead, the Yanks will be looking to add guys with short term contracts who won't cost much in terms of prospects- or salary.
I think that the most likely scenario is that the Yanks trade several B level prospects to SD for Tyson Ross. Plan B might be Hamels, but they would have to wait for the deadline to make a deal because of salary- unless they can dump Walker, etc.
The first line is absurd. DeGrom is team controlled for 2 years past this one. A "discount" for 2.5 control? wow.
I think the integral portiin of what Rich said was the age thing. Giving up massive prospects for a pitcher who may or may not "age well" is what I would like to avoid. So if you want a haul, lets talk Syndergaard.
But I think all he was saying was that he prefers the patient route for the yanks SPs, not that he really expects a discount from anyone.
I’m a little more bullish on deGrom. I’m willing to part with a nice bundle of stuff, but I have my limits. I don’t agree with the idea that a package beginning with Andujar + Frazier + Sheff would/should be summarily shrugged off by the Mets, or that they’d easily find a team in need of SP who’s able and willing to beat that package by a lot.
Every top 25/50/100 prospects list is different, but presently what I see is that the vast majority of premium prospects are currently held by a) teams that absolutely will not be buyers at this year’s deadline and b) teams that would appear to be in pretty damn good shape pitching wise (Nats, Indians). There are certainly exceptions (ala Brendan Rodgers like DMM pointed out).
If there really is a premium to deal with the Yanks, it’s pretty insanely stupid on the Mets part. Sub-optimal decision making based in inferiority complexes and reading the hometown newspapers is a horrible way to manage out of a mess.
He’s a converted shortstop so he likely doesn’t have as many miles on his arm (if that means anything to anyone).
He’s an extremely smart pitcher. I can still see him being successful later in his career when his velocity possibly dips.
And when did 30 become old?
I hate talking about trading DeGrom but I’m in the same boat as arc with just wanting him to go to a winner. If it’s the Yanks, so be it. I’d still root for him. The Mets aren’t going to be good anytime soon anyway.
I don’t think it’s so much a matter of 30 being old, so much as it is hesitation to be the team giving a 5 x $30 contract (or more!) to a 32 year old....so in many peoples minds, it’s a fairly strict 2+ year rental.
For me, if the unlikely ever did happen and the yanks traddd for deGrom, I’d be in favor of buying out the arb years and just giving him the 5-6 years * $20M now, or something thereabouts
Think of DeGroms value for a simple supply/demand Â
How many pitchers in baseball, 150 starters call it. Where does DeGrom rank - no worse than top 10
Team control for 2.5 years. Sweet spot teams look for on a contract is 3 years - long enough without the long term commitment.
So how many top 20 starters in baseball are
A) available
B) affordable
Supply = once every coup,e of years situation. Rarest of the rare.
Demand?
How many teams in baseball want an ace? Every team
Is DeGroms contract unaffordable for any teams like Stanton’s was? Every team can afford him.
Demand = As high as a player in the game can be...
So when someone says “no way” to a player on their team for DeGrom unless he’s got three years of control and is tops at his position, well you’re right. No way you’re getting DeGrom for said player, but for the opposing reason you think.
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Nearly every trade thrown out there is a quick "no" in response from most. What would be a good package that you could come up with for deGrom?
They don't match up thus the quick "no". A team like Colorado or Milwaukee would have a blue chip position player to offer and the Mets would be reluctant to deal with the Yankees anyway.
Andujar + Frazier don't qualify as blue chip position players? Along with someone like Sheffield and maybe a bullpen arm (Cessa?) and another position player (Austin?). Maybe that's not enough especially because there's bound to be a Yankees surcharge attached, but it's also not a crazy offer, IMO.
In fact, I'm sure some Yankees fans would say that Andujar/Frazier/Austin/Sheffield/Cessa might be too much to pay for deGrom.
Nearly every trade thrown out there is a quick "no" in response from most. What would be a good package that you could come up with for deGrom?
They don't match up thus the quick "no". A team like Colorado or Milwaukee would have a blue chip position player to offer and the Mets would be reluctant to deal with the Yankees anyway.
Andujar + Frazier don't qualify as blue chip position players? Along with someone like Sheffield and maybe a bullpen arm (Cessa?) and another position player (Austin?). Maybe that's not enough especially because there's bound to be a Yankees surcharge attached, but it's also not a crazy offer, IMO.
In fact, I'm sure some Yankees fans would say that Andujar/Frazier/Austin/Sheffield/Cessa might be too much to pay for deGrom.
Agreed. Andujar in particular has proven to be much, much better than his prospect ranking suggested. Prospect rankings are nice, but they are far from infallible. And they are all different. Baseball America just updated their rankings and have Rodgers at 18, so that’s not top 5. I’m sure others as they update will have him much higher but we’ve already seen what Andujar can do. Sheffield by the way is at 26 in the BA rankings. That’s not bad either. But again, I’m sure BP, Law and some others have him lower. It always amuses me looking at various rankings and seeing the drastic difference in some.
He’s a converted shortstop so he likely doesn’t have as many miles on his arm (if that means anything to anyone).
He’s an extremely smart pitcher. I can still see him being successful later in his career when his velocity possibly dips.
And when did 30 become old?
I hate talking about trading DeGrom but I’m in the same boat as arc with just wanting him to go to a winner. If it’s the Yanks, so be it. I’d still root for him. The Mets aren’t going to be good anytime soon anyway.
at this point, I'm a bigger Degrom fan than I am a Mets fan. The ownership and front office disgust me. I will root for Jake wherever he goes, even if it means the Bronx.
Until about 7/15.
Sox pen sucks, clutch hitting is just as bad(teaching their game of fustercluck tonight is amusing), and JD has to cool down as well as Porcello and ERod so I expect their swoon soon.
That said the SO is NYs, since Astros look very lrdinary, and there's no other competition.
Other than Dodgers finding themselves, or SF and their manager and the magic he does with what he's got, the NL is good but not impressive.
If the Yanks must pull a deal, there will be lots more bottom feeders to chose from.
I do think the Yanks can get away with a lesser acquisition than deGrom - their lineup is just bludgeoning pitchers to death, and they do have a bonafide ace in Severino. On top of that, they have a very solid bullpen and enough options back there to make due when their starter doesn't have it.
Gray looked phenomenal in Toronto last night and CC was equally impressive sans the mistake to Pillar.
They have to add someone - especially now that Montgomery is shelved for the foreseeable future - but it probably doesn't need to be someone on deGrom's tier.
I sort of selfishly would like to see deGrom go there just because I know it would make them favorites and I want him to win. He deserves it. The Mets have just really pushed me away and there are very few guys on the team right now that I even feel much of any connection to - but if there's anyone, it's Jake.
I don’t think it’s so much a matter of 30 being old, so much as it is hesitation to be the team giving a 5 x $30 contract (or more!) to a 32 year old....so in many peoples minds, it’s a fairly strict 2+ year rental.
For me, if the unlikely ever did happen and the yanks traddd for deGrom, I’d be in favor of buying out the arb years and just giving him the 5-6 years * $20M now, or something thereabouts
You’d get him for 3 postseasons under cost control worst case which is worth a lot IMO. He’s also willing to sell out his arb years for an extension but the Mets have turned him town on that because they are cheap bastards.
maybe the Yankees (or whoever the trade partner is) take Cespedes back. They may not need him, but as a salary dump by the Mets to make the trade work.
And if it's an AL team, Cespedes can DH when he's healthy maybe making his brief stints off the DL last longer.
Plus, if Cespedes has shown nothing else it's that a change of scenery has motivated him in the past to do incredible things.
I cant possibly see that happening. Just taking yet another DH/LF power hitter who costs 30 mill a year.
Maybe a 3 way (Maybe even 4 way)trade with an AL Central or West team that can use a DH/ occasional starting LF.
The Mets need at least 1 starter and / or a AAA near MLB ready starter, plus multiple other 2A/3A players given their frugality. A multi-way trade might get them enough talent for a decent 2020/2021 team. Look at what the Tank got guy dumping Beltran, Miller, Chaps.
But I don’t want to trade Andujar for anyone. Thanks! Try elsewhere!
Dude is 23 hitting over 300 and mashing extra base hits with regularity. And he might be learning to take pitches as the last few games he seems to be developing more patience.
But I don’t want to trade Andujar for anyone. Thanks! Try elsewhere!
Dude is 23 hitting over 300 and mashing extra base hits with regularity. And he might be learning to take pitches as the last few games he seems to be developing more patience.
Nope, ain’t dealing Andujar....
Simply looking at the current roster, what's more likely to result in a WS? Andujar + Hamels (for example - the most likely SP option not likely to require a massive prospect haul) or Drury (or Walker) + deGrom?
I'll stake my claim to the latter. I realize that might not be the popular opinion, but another masher is overkill, IMO. Another ace is what we actually need.
Whoa whoa whoa, let's not get crazy here!
I'm guessing the Yankees end up making a more minor deal for someone like Tyson Ross.
Ok Jay fine....we'll throw you Ronald Torreyes. Final offer!
::crosses fingers::
Stanton, plus cash considerations contingent on Stanton not opting out (not just the Marlins $30M, but half the remaining contract).
Sheffield
Frazier
Andujar
Mets send:
Thor or deGrom (I prefer Thor)
Cespedes
Familia
Stanton doesn't seem comfortable with the Yankees and I read a rumor the Yankees may shop him at the DL, it's a hard sell, the chance he doesn't opt out will scare almost everyone away except the most desperate teams.
The Mets would normally never take on that risk, but at half the contract maybe they would.
Cespedes has 2 years left, Stanton has 2 years left before he needs to make his opt out decision.
Then it becomes Sheffield, Andujar, and Frazier for Thor and Familia
This is my final offer.
Across those 4 teams, there are what, 2 blue chippers in total? Rodgers and Mejia? And not a ton of quality second/third pieces.p
Not to mention, if Cleveland wants to push more chips to the center of the table, they’re adding bats and not arms, IMO.
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trade suggestions I have ever seen.
Ok Jay fine....we'll throw you Ronald Torreyes. Final offer!
::crosses fingers::
I don't understand, clearly the Yankees would be getting ripped off on this deal. P.S. I am on the same drugs as Denny.
Jacob DeGrom
Absdrubel Cabrera
Noah Syndergauurd
Jayrus Fammillia
Mets receive
Clint Frazier
Justus Sheffield
Chance Adams
Domingo German
Brandon Drury
Tyler Austin
Tyler Wade
Tommy Kahnle
You should really be embarrassed to post all the shit you do on Yankees threads. Can't you pick up on the fact that tons of separate posters have told you how awful your posts are? Maybe give it a break for a while.
Frazier, Andujar, Sheffield and maybe a B prospect for Degrom. Deal?
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two teams just don't match up for various reasons. Teams like the Indians, Brewers, Rockies, Arizona etc are much better fits for both sides.
Across those 4 teams, there are what, 2 blue chippers in total? Rodgers and Mejia? And not a ton of quality second/third pieces.p
Not to mention, if Cleveland wants to push more chips to the center of the table, they’re adding bats and not arms, IMO.
Rodgers is a top 5 prospect in baseball, Mackenzie is a top 25 prospect in baseball (+ they have Mejia who is having a horrendous season but also a top 25 prospect in the game). The Indians also netted Naylor and Hankins via the draft and the new rules allow them to be traded. There are absolutely teams that match up much, much better. Keston Hiura is an absolute hitting machine for the Brewers, Hiura/Turang would be a nice 1-2 punch as part of a deal etc etc.
Terrible deal for the yanks. I’d personally be furious if they made that trade.
Better off rolling with what they have and crossing their fingers that Tanaka and Gray get/keep their shit together for 5 months.
This is the correct answer.
There's also the fact that DeGrom is going to be getting a huge contract soon, and that's going to factor into trade possibilities.
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two teams just don't match up for various reasons. Teams like the Indians, Brewers, Rockies, Arizona etc are much better fits for both sides.
Across those 4 teams, there are what, 2 blue chippers in total? Rodgers and Mejia? And not a ton of quality second/third pieces.p
Not to mention, if Cleveland wants to push more chips to the center of the table, they’re adding bats and not arms, IMO.
Rodgers is a top 5 prospect in baseball, Mackenzie is a top 25 prospect in baseball (+ they have Mejia who is having a horrendous season but also a top 25 prospect in the game). The Indians also netted Naylor and Hankins via the draft and the new rules allow them to be traded. There are absolutely teams that match up much, much better. Keston Hiura is an absolute hitting machine for the Brewers, Hiura/Turang would be a nice 1-2 punch as part of a deal etc etc.
The Indians don’t need pitching. You can like their prospects, but I’d be shocked if they added a really costly arm. I don’t see how it’s remotely a match.
Maybe there’s something there with Colorado, sure.
I don’t see how Hiura + Turang is any more compelling than some combination of Andujar/Florial/Frazier/Sheffield/Adams/Medina.
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watched pigs fly and hell freeze over and wanted to trade. They're both terrific but the price would be too much. In my opinion the Yankees should keep most or all of their chips until the winter and look to sign free agent pitchers before using any of them. There will be a 2019 baseball season too. Give me Hamels for a few players that have no Yankee future and we can go from there in 2018.
This is the correct answer.
Agreed and I hope it's Cashman's thinking as well.
Braves, Red Sox (farm sucks but I'm talking interest), Mariners (same), Phillies, Cubs, Brewers, Cardinals and entire NL West would ALL be interest in DeGrom if he were put up for auction.
It might be tempting to look at all the talent on the Yankees and think they can get by with a replacement-level fifth starter. They will probably make the playoffs if they make no moves, so it isn’t as if they have to do something to be competitive. If they want to considerably increase their odds of postseason success, however they will need to add someone — perhaps soon. If they are going to make a move now, they would need to target teams that are already out of the race.
There are always arms available, and surely some of the potential options would be a fit. Cole Hamels might be too expensive or cost more in prospects if the Yankees need Texas to pay most of the salary. Michael Fulmer might cost too much in talent. Chris Archer, J.A. Happ, and Marcus Stroman might not be available yet or at all. Perhaps Tyson Ross or Jordan Lyles of the Padres would make sense. Danny Duffy hasn’t pitched well this season. Madison Bumgarner, Jacob deGrom, and any Orioles pitcher seem far-fetched as a possibility. The trade picture is going to clear up quite a bit over the next couple months, and if the Yankees are going to win the division, they are probably going to need to make a trade for a starting pitcher.
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Yankees receive
Jacob DeGrom
Absdrubel Cabrera
Noah Syndergauurd
Jayrus Fammillia
Mets receive
Clint Frazier
Justus Sheffield
Chance Adams
Domingo German
Brandon Drury
Tyler Austin
Tyler Wade
Tommy Kahnle
You should really be embarrassed to post all the shit you do on Yankees threads. Can't you pick up on the fact that tons of separate posters have told you how awful your posts are? Maybe give it a break for a while.
Couldn't agree more.
Frazier
Adams or Florial
Sure, deGrom might be a difference maker in 2018- but the Yanks got within a game of the WS in 2017 with about what they have now- and they have 3-4 arms who can be rotation pieces within reach of NY- including Sheffield, who may be the Yanks trade deadline addition to the rotation.
The problem with deGrom is while he has outstanding numbers, his long term projection is really not good. The Yanks are looking at a potentially very long window of contention- and are NOT going to trade away their future for immediate returns.
If they DO add a SP, it won't be at the "asks" teams are looking for. Instead, the Yanks will be looking to add guys with short term contracts who won't cost much in terms of prospects- or salary.
I think that the most likely scenario is that the Yanks trade several B level prospects to SD for Tyson Ross. Plan B might be Hamels, but they would have to wait for the deadline to make a deal because of salary- unless they can dump Walker, etc.
Sure, deGrom might be a difference maker in 2018- but the Yanks got within a game of the WS in 2017 with about what they have now- and they have 3-4 arms who can be rotation pieces within reach of NY- including Sheffield, who may be the Yanks trade deadline addition to the rotation.
The problem with deGrom is while he has outstanding numbers, his long term projection is really not good. The Yanks are looking at a potentially very long window of contention- and are NOT going to trade away their future for immediate returns.
If they DO add a SP, it won't be at the "asks" teams are looking for. Instead, the Yanks will be looking to add guys with short term contracts who won't cost much in terms of prospects- or salary.
I think that the most likely scenario is that the Yanks trade several B level prospects to SD for Tyson Ross. Plan B might be Hamels, but they would have to wait for the deadline to make a deal because of salary- unless they can dump Walker, etc.
The first line is absurd. DeGrom is team controlled for 2 years past this one. A "discount" for 2.5 control? wow.
Max Scherzer is 33 years old and Justin Verlander is 35.
Both guys are as good as they've been in their entire careers.
I don't think deGrom is going to slow down any time soon. In fact, this is the best he's ever looked in his entire career. He's getting smarter and his stuff is still as good as ever.
Barring injury, I think he's going to age quite well.
Less of a cost and can still get the same..its not like they need a #1 starter..a #2 or like is just as good
Less of a cost and can still get the same..its not like they need a #1 starter..a #2 or like is just as good
#2 starters aren't cheap either.
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I doubt the Yanks would even consider trading for deGrom unless the Mets gave them a massive discount. He will be 30 shortly, and will be looking for #1 SP money just as he is entering his decline stage (early 30's). He has already had two arm problems and one arm surgery.
Sure, deGrom might be a difference maker in 2018- but the Yanks got within a game of the WS in 2017 with about what they have now- and they have 3-4 arms who can be rotation pieces within reach of NY- including Sheffield, who may be the Yanks trade deadline addition to the rotation.
The problem with deGrom is while he has outstanding numbers, his long term projection is really not good. The Yanks are looking at a potentially very long window of contention- and are NOT going to trade away their future for immediate returns.
If they DO add a SP, it won't be at the "asks" teams are looking for. Instead, the Yanks will be looking to add guys with short term contracts who won't cost much in terms of prospects- or salary.
I think that the most likely scenario is that the Yanks trade several B level prospects to SD for Tyson Ross. Plan B might be Hamels, but they would have to wait for the deadline to make a deal because of salary- unless they can dump Walker, etc.
The first line is absurd. DeGrom is team controlled for 2 years past this one. A "discount" for 2.5 control? wow.
I think the integral portiin of what Rich said was the age thing. Giving up massive prospects for a pitcher who may or may not "age well" is what I would like to avoid. So if you want a haul, lets talk Syndergaard.
I’m a little more bullish on deGrom. I’m willing to part with a nice bundle of stuff, but I have my limits. I don’t agree with the idea that a package beginning with Andujar + Frazier + Sheff would/should be summarily shrugged off by the Mets, or that they’d easily find a team in need of SP who’s able and willing to beat that package by a lot.
Every top 25/50/100 prospects list is different, but presently what I see is that the vast majority of premium prospects are currently held by a) teams that absolutely will not be buyers at this year’s deadline and b) teams that would appear to be in pretty damn good shape pitching wise (Nats, Indians). There are certainly exceptions (ala Brendan Rodgers like DMM pointed out).
If there really is a premium to deal with the Yanks, it’s pretty insanely stupid on the Mets part. Sub-optimal decision making based in inferiority complexes and reading the hometown newspapers is a horrible way to manage out of a mess.
He’s an extremely smart pitcher. I can still see him being successful later in his career when his velocity possibly dips.
And when did 30 become old?
I hate talking about trading DeGrom but I’m in the same boat as arc with just wanting him to go to a winner. If it’s the Yanks, so be it. I’d still root for him. The Mets aren’t going to be good anytime soon anyway.
For me, if the unlikely ever did happen and the yanks traddd for deGrom, I’d be in favor of buying out the arb years and just giving him the 5-6 years * $20M now, or something thereabouts
Team control for 2.5 years. Sweet spot teams look for on a contract is 3 years - long enough without the long term commitment.
So how many top 20 starters in baseball are
A) available
B) affordable
Supply = once every coup,e of years situation. Rarest of the rare.
Demand?
How many teams in baseball want an ace? Every team
Is DeGroms contract unaffordable for any teams like Stanton’s was? Every team can afford him.
Demand = As high as a player in the game can be...
So when someone says “no way” to a player on their team for DeGrom unless he’s got three years of control and is tops at his position, well you’re right. No way you’re getting DeGrom for said player, but for the opposing reason you think.
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Nearly every trade thrown out there is a quick "no" in response from most. What would be a good package that you could come up with for deGrom?
They don't match up thus the quick "no". A team like Colorado or Milwaukee would have a blue chip position player to offer and the Mets would be reluctant to deal with the Yankees anyway.
Andujar + Frazier don't qualify as blue chip position players? Along with someone like Sheffield and maybe a bullpen arm (Cessa?) and another position player (Austin?). Maybe that's not enough especially because there's bound to be a Yankees surcharge attached, but it's also not a crazy offer, IMO.
In fact, I'm sure some Yankees fans would say that Andujar/Frazier/Austin/Sheffield/Cessa might be too much to pay for deGrom.
lol at the butt hurt softies , I'll keep spewing theory's when I want , thank you and good night
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Nearly every trade thrown out there is a quick "no" in response from most. What would be a good package that you could come up with for deGrom?
They don't match up thus the quick "no". A team like Colorado or Milwaukee would have a blue chip position player to offer and the Mets would be reluctant to deal with the Yankees anyway.
Andujar + Frazier don't qualify as blue chip position players? Along with someone like Sheffield and maybe a bullpen arm (Cessa?) and another position player (Austin?). Maybe that's not enough especially because there's bound to be a Yankees surcharge attached, but it's also not a crazy offer, IMO.
In fact, I'm sure some Yankees fans would say that Andujar/Frazier/Austin/Sheffield/Cessa might be too much to pay for deGrom.
Agreed. Andujar in particular has proven to be much, much better than his prospect ranking suggested. Prospect rankings are nice, but they are far from infallible. And they are all different. Baseball America just updated their rankings and have Rodgers at 18, so that’s not top 5. I’m sure others as they update will have him much higher but we’ve already seen what Andujar can do. Sheffield by the way is at 26 in the BA rankings. That’s not bad either. But again, I’m sure BP, Law and some others have him lower. It always amuses me looking at various rankings and seeing the drastic difference in some.
He’s an extremely smart pitcher. I can still see him being successful later in his career when his velocity possibly dips.
And when did 30 become old?
I hate talking about trading DeGrom but I’m in the same boat as arc with just wanting him to go to a winner. If it’s the Yanks, so be it. I’d still root for him. The Mets aren’t going to be good anytime soon anyway.
at this point, I'm a bigger Degrom fan than I am a Mets fan. The ownership and front office disgust me. I will root for Jake wherever he goes, even if it means the Bronx.
Sox pen sucks, clutch hitting is just as bad(teaching their game of fustercluck tonight is amusing), and JD has to cool down as well as Porcello and ERod so I expect their swoon soon.
That said the SO is NYs, since Astros look very lrdinary, and there's no other competition.
Other than Dodgers finding themselves, or SF and their manager and the magic he does with what he's got, the NL is good but not impressive.
If the Yanks must pull a deal, there will be lots more bottom feeders to chose from.
Gray looked phenomenal in Toronto last night and CC was equally impressive sans the mistake to Pillar.
They have to add someone - especially now that Montgomery is shelved for the foreseeable future - but it probably doesn't need to be someone on deGrom's tier.
I sort of selfishly would like to see deGrom go there just because I know it would make them favorites and I want him to win. He deserves it. The Mets have just really pushed me away and there are very few guys on the team right now that I even feel much of any connection to - but if there's anyone, it's Jake.
For me, if the unlikely ever did happen and the yanks traddd for deGrom, I’d be in favor of buying out the arb years and just giving him the 5-6 years * $20M now, or something thereabouts
You’d get him for 3 postseasons under cost control worst case which is worth a lot IMO. He’s also willing to sell out his arb years for an extension but the Mets have turned him town on that because they are cheap bastards.
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maybe the Yankees (or whoever the trade partner is) take Cespedes back. They may not need him, but as a salary dump by the Mets to make the trade work.
And if it's an AL team, Cespedes can DH when he's healthy maybe making his brief stints off the DL last longer.
Plus, if Cespedes has shown nothing else it's that a change of scenery has motivated him in the past to do incredible things.
I cant possibly see that happening. Just taking yet another DH/LF power hitter who costs 30 mill a year.
Maybe a 3 way (Maybe even 4 way)trade with an AL Central or West team that can use a DH/ occasional starting LF.
The Mets need at least 1 starter and / or a AAA near MLB ready starter, plus multiple other 2A/3A players given their frugality. A multi-way trade might get them enough talent for a decent 2020/2021 team. Look at what the Tank got guy dumping Beltran, Miller, Chaps.
lol at the butt hurt softies , I'll keep spewing theory's when I want , thank you and good night
What you offer aren't theories, they're noise.
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But that's All.
lol at the butt hurt softies , I'll keep spewing theory's when I want , thank you and good night
What you offer aren't theories, they're noise.
He figures if he offers enough quantity it will replace quality. He is like the guy who offers 5 for 1 deals in Fantasy Sports
Dude is 23 hitting over 300 and mashing extra base hits with regularity. And he might be learning to take pitches as the last few games he seems to be developing more patience.
Nope, ain’t dealing Andujar....
Dude is 23 hitting over 300 and mashing extra base hits with regularity. And he might be learning to take pitches as the last few games he seems to be developing more patience.
Nope, ain’t dealing Andujar....
Simply looking at the current roster, what's more likely to result in a WS? Andujar + Hamels (for example - the most likely SP option not likely to require a massive prospect haul) or Drury (or Walker) + deGrom?
I'll stake my claim to the latter. I realize that might not be the popular opinion, but another masher is overkill, IMO. Another ace is what we actually need.