NFT: Sherman: Possible the Mets deal one of DeGrom or Thor

put the best deal on the table for deGrom even without Torres, but the Mets would never take it.

Torres, I don't think they have enough to get DeGrom unless they empty out their system. Fulmer might be more in their price range.

Frazier, Sheffield, and an lower-level prospect would be a pretty good deal.....but the Mets would never accept that.

with the Yankees if they have the best offer.

I used to be squarely in the trade deGrom camp if they had to trade one of the two (and I prefer trade neither).

But reality is the Mets probably won't resign either and in reality without looking at numbers I feel like deGrom has probably been better and more durable.

So if they HAVE to trade one, trade Thor.

This is not a good trend.
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In comment 13985788 bceagle05 said:

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put the best deal on the table for deGrom even without Torres, but the Mets would never take it.

I actually disagree. I don't think the Yankees have a blue chipper to offer. For context an inferior Quintana brought back a top 5 prospect in the game + Cease (top 50ish). The Yankees would have solid prospects to offer but no clear headliner and there is no way the Mets could gamble on quantity while sending one of the best pitchers in baseball across town. If you are talking Familia etc that's another story.

He knew it would be the topic of talk radio for the day.

but I wonder if they can work something out with Didi as a major piece. Would the Mets even want a SS? Didi, Sheffield, Frazier for DeGrom. Is that enough? Would either team consider? Both?

Then more power to you. That trade was a heist the moment it was announced.

In comment 13985796 Keith said:

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but I wonder if they can work something out with Didi as a major piece. Would the Mets even want a SS? Didi, Sheffield, Frazier for DeGrom. Is that enough? Would either team consider? Both?

Mets would pass. Didi is already going to be expensive next year and is a FA after 2 seasons. The Mets aren't going to give Didi a mega deal and certainly aren't when they have Rosario and their best prospect is also a SS. Didi will likely get something in the 5 years 16-18 range.

In comment 13985796 Keith said:

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but I wonder if they can work something out with Didi as a major piece. Would the Mets even want a SS? Didi, Sheffield, Frazier for DeGrom. Is that enough? Would either team consider? Both?

I wouldn’t do it. Too much on the Yanks end but I know less wouldn’t be enough for the Mets. I don’t see a trade being done that’s “fair”.

maybe the Yankees (or whoever the trade partner is) take Cespedes back. They may not need him, but as a salary dump by the Mets to make the trade work.

And if it's an AL team, Cespedes can DH when he's healthy maybe making his brief stints off the DL last longer.

Plus, if Cespedes has shown nothing else it's that a change of scenery has motivated him in the past to do incredible things.

two teams just don't match up for various reasons. Teams like the Indians, Brewers, Rockies, Arizona etc are much better fits for both sides.

In comment 13985797 Greg from LI said:

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Then more power to you. That trade was a heist the moment it was announced.

Yeah, that was a rough trade for the Cubbies. You might be right Dan, I just don’t know the minors well enough to know which blue chippers would realistically be on the table. Sheffield can be your #2 starter behind Thor, and Frazier and Andujar can be starters who combine for 50 HRs per season (potentially).

Thor, Sheffield, Conforto, Rosario, Frazier, Andujar and whatever else you could pry from the Yankees is a pretty good young group.

OF/DH is already crowded.

Anyway, the Mets aren't trading anyone to the Yankees so it doesn't matter.

knock on Sheffield but he's just not the kind of talent you take back as a headliner for a Cy Young caliber pitcher you are sending across town. A team like Colorado might be inclined to "go for it" and give up someone like Rodgers (for example).

In comment 13985803 pjcas18 said:

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maybe the Yankees (or whoever the trade partner is) take Cespedes back. They may not need him, but as a salary dump by the Mets to make the trade work. And if it's an AL team, Cespedes can DH when he's healthy maybe making his brief stints off the DL last longer. Plus, if Cespedes has shown nothing else it's that a change of scenery has motivated him in the past to do incredible things.

I cant possibly see that happening. Just taking yet another DH/LF power hitter who costs 30 mill a year.

Nearly every trade thrown out there is a quick "no" in response from most. What would be a good package that you could come up with for deGrom?

Syndergaard or deGrom to the Yankees the package has to start with both Frazier and Andujar +.

I would want the 2 position players first and foremost as that is where teams like the Yankees, Cubs, Astros and Red Sox have gotten rich and won these days.

I'm not sure how wise it is to build around young starting pitching given A) how fragile all of their arms seem to be and B) they're only going to be as impactful as your bullpen due to the lack of length starters provide today.

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In comment 13985827 mac attack said:

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Nearly every trade thrown out there is a quick "no" in response from most. What would be a good package that you could come up with for deGrom?

They don't match up thus the quick "no". A team like Colorado or Milwaukee would have a blue chip position player to offer and the Mets would be reluctant to deal with the Yankees anyway.

Yankees receive

Jacob DeGrom
Absdrubel Cabrera
Noah Syndergauurd
Jayrus Fammillia

Mets receive

Clint Frazier
Justus Sheffield
Chance Adams
Domingo German
Brandon Drury
Tyler Austin
Tyler Wade
Tommy Kahnle

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DeGrom and Synd for basically 2 good prospects and then scraps. I’m a Yankees fan and I’d hang up on that phonecall if I were the Mets.

What else would you expect?

In comment 13985843 DennyInDenville said:

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Yankees receive Jacob DeGrom Absdrubel Cabrera Noah Syndergauurd Jayrus Fammillia Mets receive Clint Frazier Justus Sheffield Chance Adams Domingo German Brandon Drury Tyler Austin Tyler Wade Tommy Kahnle

Kids, don't do drugs

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In comment 13985843 DennyInDenville said:

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Yankees receive Jacob DeGrom Absdrubel Cabrera Noah Syndergauurd Jayrus Fammillia Mets receive Clint Frazier Justus Sheffield Chance Adams Domingo German Brandon Drury Tyler Austin Tyler Wade Tommy Kahnle

Too many Jolt colas and Airheads DennytheDunce....once again.

Lol....Jesus!

trade suggestions I have ever seen.

In comment 13985852 Kyle in NY said:

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In comment 13985843 DennyInDenville said: Quote: Yankees receive Jacob DeGrom Absdrubel Cabrera Noah Syndergauurd Jayrus Fammillia Mets receive Clint Frazier Justus Sheffield Chance Adams Domingo German Brandon Drury Tyler Austin Tyler Wade Tommy Kahnle Kids, don't do drugs

Drugs are fine. Denny proposing trade ideas? Not so much.

In comment 13985853 bceagle05 said:

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Whoa whoa whoa, let's not get crazy here!

I'm guessing the Yankees end up making a more minor deal for someone like Tyson Ross.

"I figured out a way to get Bonds and Griffey in the same outfield, and we wouldn't have to give up that much!"

In comment 13985856 Jay on the Island said:

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trade suggestions I have ever seen.

Ok Jay fine....we'll throw you Ronald Torreyes. Final offer!

::crosses fingers::

Yankees send:

Stanton, plus cash considerations contingent on Stanton not opting out (not just the Marlins $30M, but half the remaining contract).

Sheffield
Frazier
Andujar


Mets send:
Thor or deGrom (I prefer Thor)
Cespedes
Familia

Stanton doesn't seem comfortable with the Yankees and I read a rumor the Yankees may shop him at the DL, it's a hard sell, the chance he doesn't opt out will scare almost everyone away except the most desperate teams.

The Mets would normally never take on that risk, but at half the contract maybe they would.

Cespedes has 2 years left, Stanton has 2 years left before he needs to make his opt out decision.

Then it becomes Sheffield, Andujar, and Frazier for Thor and Familia

This is my final offer.

In comment 13985806 DanMetroMan said:

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two teams just don't match up for various reasons. Teams like the Indians, Brewers, Rockies, Arizona etc are much better fits for both sides.

Across those 4 teams, there are what, 2 blue chippers in total? Rodgers and Mejia? And not a ton of quality second/third pieces.p

Not to mention, if Cleveland wants to push more chips to the center of the table, they’re adding bats and not arms, IMO.

In comment 13985861 chopperhatch said:

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In comment 13985856 Jay on the Island said: Quote: trade suggestions I have ever seen. Ok Jay fine....we'll throw you Ronald Torreyes. Final offer! ::crosses fingers::

I don't understand, clearly the Yankees would be getting ripped off on this deal. P.S. I am on the same drugs as Denny.

If you added in another piece like Tate then I think that is a perfectly fair offer.

Youth is what drives this team and that's not even counting Frazier. So to give up Torres and/or Andujar would be disgusting.

Deal makes an alarming amount of sense. Stanton could be a hero over in Queens. In the Bronx, the kids are really the story for the fans.

In comment 13985843 DennyInDenville said:

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Yankees receive Jacob DeGrom Absdrubel Cabrera Noah Syndergauurd Jayrus Fammillia Mets receive Clint Frazier Justus Sheffield Chance Adams Domingo German Brandon Drury Tyler Austin Tyler Wade Tommy Kahnle

You should really be embarrassed to post all the shit you do on Yankees threads. Can't you pick up on the fact that tons of separate posters have told you how awful your posts are? Maybe give it a break for a while.

watched pigs fly and hell freeze over and wanted to trade. They're both terrific but the price would be too much. In my opinion the Yankees should keep most or all of their chips until the winter and look to sign free agent pitchers before using any of them. There will be a 2019 baseball season too. Give me Hamels for a few players that have no Yankee future and we can go from there in 2018.

Curious where you saw that. Also, did his NTC disappear or does he need to waive it again. Call me crazy, but I don't see him waiving it to go from the Yanks to the Mets.

Frazier, Andujar, Sheffield and maybe a B prospect for Degrom. Deal?

The Yankee would plug one hole and open up two new ones in the outfield and at third base. I have absolutely no interest in an aging Cespedes and his constant injuries.

In comment 13985863 bigbluehoya said:

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In comment 13985806 DanMetroMan said: Quote: two teams just don't match up for various reasons. Teams like the Indians, Brewers, Rockies, Arizona etc are much better fits for both sides. Across those 4 teams, there are what, 2 blue chippers in total? Rodgers and Mejia? And not a ton of quality second/third pieces.p Not to mention, if Cleveland wants to push more chips to the center of the table, they’re adding bats and not arms, IMO.

Rodgers is a top 5 prospect in baseball, Mackenzie is a top 25 prospect in baseball (+ they have Mejia who is having a horrendous season but also a top 25 prospect in the game). The Indians also netted Naylor and Hankins via the draft and the new rules allow them to be traded. There are absolutely teams that match up much, much better. Keston Hiura is an absolute hitting machine for the Brewers, Hiura/Turang would be a nice 1-2 punch as part of a deal etc etc.

Not saying it would ever happen, but I think it's fair.

In comment 13985876 chopperhatch said:

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Deal makes an alarming amount of sense. Stanton could be a hero over in Queens. In the Bronx, the kids are really the story for the fans.

Terrible deal for the yanks. I’d personally be furious if they made that trade.

Better off rolling with what they have and crossing their fingers that Tanaka and Gray get/keep their shit together for 5 months.

In comment 13985881 arniefez said:

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watched pigs fly and hell freeze over and wanted to trade. They're both terrific but the price would be too much. In my opinion the Yankees should keep most or all of their chips until the winter and look to sign free agent pitchers before using any of them. There will be a 2019 baseball season too. Give me Hamels for a few players that have no Yankee future and we can go from there in 2018.

This is the correct answer.

Other than Rogers, the guys you're talking about are top 25 prospects, not top 10, and Frazier was a top 25 prospect last year. Sheffield is top 50. If you want to say the Mets can do better, that's fine, but you're acting as if there's a huge gulf between the players you cite and Frazier/Sheffield, and there really isn't, aside from Rogers.

There's also the fact that DeGrom is going to be getting a huge contract soon, and that's going to factor into trade possibilities.

In comment 13985886 DanMetroMan said:

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In comment 13985863 bigbluehoya said: Quote: In comment 13985806 DanMetroMan said: Quote: two teams just don't match up for various reasons. Teams like the Indians, Brewers, Rockies, Arizona etc are much better fits for both sides. Across those 4 teams, there are what, 2 blue chippers in total? Rodgers and Mejia? And not a ton of quality second/third pieces.p Not to mention, if Cleveland wants to push more chips to the center of the table, they’re adding bats and not arms, IMO. Rodgers is a top 5 prospect in baseball, Mackenzie is a top 25 prospect in baseball (+ they have Mejia who is having a horrendous season but also a top 25 prospect in the game). The Indians also netted Naylor and Hankins via the draft and the new rules allow them to be traded. There are absolutely teams that match up much, much better. Keston Hiura is an absolute hitting machine for the Brewers, Hiura/Turang would be a nice 1-2 punch as part of a deal etc etc.

The Indians don’t need pitching. You can like their prospects, but I’d be shocked if they added a really costly arm. I don’t see how it’s remotely a match.

Maybe there’s something there with Colorado, sure.

I don’t see how Hiura + Turang is any more compelling than some combination of Andujar/Florial/Frazier/Sheffield/Adams/Medina.

In comment 13985891 Stan in LA said:

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In comment 13985881 arniefez said: Quote: watched pigs fly and hell freeze over and wanted to trade. They're both terrific but the price would be too much. In my opinion the Yankees should keep most or all of their chips until the winter and look to sign free agent pitchers before using any of them. There will be a 2019 baseball season too. Give me Hamels for a few players that have no Yankee future and we can go from there in 2018. This is the correct answer.

Agreed and I hope it's Cashman's thinking as well.