Most of us yearn to be successful like Kate Spade or Anthony Bourdain. But something about achieving that success apparently can leave you more deeply unsatisfied and nhappy
Life is a precious gift. I just don’t understand how these people who seem to have the world on a string are suffering so badly to kill themselves. Hard to understand.
Leonia's own. Really enjoyed his shows. I've been watching a ton of the episodes I missed on Netflix. His shows really transcended the typical food show. It had soul.
has a stable family life and a show promoting small local businesses-prick
Not surprised about Bourdain-estranged from family, increasingly trying to reach back to lost youth, didnt seem like a happy man satisfied with his life
has a stable family life and a show promoting small local businesses-prick
Not surprised about Bourdain-estranged from family, increasingly trying to reach back to lost youth, didnt seem like a happy man satisfied with his life
I'm pretty sure it was a joke- but you saying that about Bourdain doesn't make you look like much less of a prick.
semi-recently that he was divorced from his last wife and that they had a daughter. I don’t think she was very old. If he was completely separated from the daughter, I can only imagine how deep he may have fallen. My kids mean so much to me, that’s the kind of stuff that’s hard to imagine for me.
semi-recently that he was divorced from his last wife and that they had a daughter. I don’t think she was very old. If he was completely separated from the daughter, I can only imagine how deep he may have fallen. My kids mean so much to me, that’s the kind of stuff that’s hard to imagine for me.
11 years old. I know that news doesn’t make it better.
Wisecracking and funny even unique. He could have been a standup. My impression is he did a lot of self- medicating to avoid whatever he was feeling.
I have never been, but I do know that he did these one man shows where he talks about cooking and travels, answers audience questions, etc. Apparently a lot of humor. The one in Albany was held in a real theater (Proctor's) where they do Broadway touring shows, etc. Alton Brown did the same sort of thing at that theater as well.
Once again, no one knows what's going on in the mind of others. Depression is a horrible disease &, like countless # of people, I've experienced it. It sucks.
An adventurous, interesting man. Looking into his eyes and at his face, seems to me, one could tell he'd never get the "now here's a happy guy" award. Sorry it all caught up to him in a way no one could (or at any rate didn't) do anything to prevent such an outcome.
we’re groudbreaking shows within the genre. No one has been able to capture cultural exploration through food quite like Bourdain has. He was also a master with words and simply seemed to fit in wherever he went. Sad news and a huge loss.
episodes I watched, he was talking about the dark thoughts, but he seemed to be so carefree that I thought he'd handle it.
The guy went from being a pretty bad drug addict to being successful and with that experience came a very frank perspective on life. He thoroughly seemed to enjoy immersing in other cultures, but I guess demons still haunt some to the point of no end.
I'm floored. Just watched one of his episodes last night. And he was so happy with his new girlfriend (not that he always didn't seem happy, but just even more so). Have seen every episode he's ever aired. One of my favorite TV personalities. Can't imagine why, he had the life. Paid to travel the world and eat and drink and write. Crazy, can't believe it. And Eric Rippert found him?! Wow. One of his closest friends who seems like one of the nicest guys in the restaurant industry. He must be shaken big time.
That he was unhappy despite the lifestyle and success. Did an episode in Argentina I believe where it cut to him on a therapist's chair throughout the show. He also reflected recently with other another
chef how being constantly miserable and never being satisfied is what drives great chefs and himself to be successful. No doubt these were conversations to make his show more interesting but there was obviously some truth to them. I imagine it can be difficult to deal with those problems with other people without many of them saying or thinking "Boo hoo, go count your money"
As we saw with Kate Spade, success doesn't guarantee happiness. He seemed to be in total control of himself, a carefree guy who got to philosophize about the meaning of life while eating and drinking with people all over the world. "Parts Unknown" was great. Suicide rates are increasing all over the country. RIP. God bless.
My girlfriend loved Parts Unknown, she's in shock Â
Most of us yearn to be successful like Kate Spade or Anthony Bourdain. But something about achieving that success apparently can leave you more deeply unsatisfied and nhappy
I’m not sure that’s true. On an average day about 125 people take their lives, most of them everyday people with no great success or noteriety. The celebrities stand out because we know about them.
But it’s certainly accurate to say that fame and success are no insulators to the demons that get the better of too many of us.
On the one hand, it's sad when someone lives in such darkness that ending it all is the path they decide to follow. On the other hand, it's hard to sympathize too much with someone who left an 11 year old child behind. Really rotten thing to do to a kid.
this from the Spade thread:
if you or someone you know is struggling with depression/anxiety self harm and or sucidal ideations, please google Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT). Its saving lives around the world and Ive seen it work with those closest to me. If you want to reach out to me about it my email is Fitguyues@yahoo.com.
...any idea what is being referenced in some of these vague twitter posts about this being karma for Bourdain (i.e. to suggest he deserved this result)? I'd heard he had substance issues in the past, but was there some particular controversy?
On the one hand, it's sad when someone lives in such darkness that ending it all is the path they decide to follow. On the other hand, it's hard to sympathize too much with someone who left an 11 year old child behind. Really rotten thing to do to a kid.
The psychological/emotional pain is so severe that it clouds and even destroys sound judgment.
The "think of the child you're leaving behind" tactic suggests that you can rationalize someone out of suicidal depression. That's not how it works. You can't rationalize someone out of Alzheimer's or Parkinson's. You can't with this, either.
...any idea what is being referenced in some of these vague twitter posts about this being karma for Bourdain (i.e. to suggest he deserved this result)? I'd heard he had substance issues in the past, but was there some particular controversy?
People on social media are the bane of our existence.
If you just read his first article you can see the gift he had Â
Generally speaking, the good stuff comes in on Tuesday: the seafood is fresh, the supply of prepared food is new, and the chef, presumably, is relaxed after his day off. (Most chefs don’t work on Monday.) Chefs prefer to cook for weekday customers rather than for weekenders, and they like to start the new week with their most creative dishes. In New York, locals dine during the week. Weekends are considered amateur nights—for tourists, rubes, and the well-done-ordering pretheatre hordes. The fish may be just as fresh on Friday, but it’s on Tuesday that you’ve got the good will of the kitchen on your side.
On the one hand, it's sad when someone lives in such darkness that ending it all is the path they decide to follow. On the other hand, it's hard to sympathize too much with someone who left an 11 year old child behind. Really rotten thing to do to a kid.
It’s very common for those who take their lives to believe that those they leave behind are better off without them.
has a stable family life and a show promoting small local businesses-prick
Not surprised about Bourdain-estranged from family, increasingly trying to reach back to lost youth, didnt seem like a happy man satisfied with his life
I'm pretty sure it was a joke- but you saying that about Bourdain doesn't make you look like much less of a prick.
Who say I'm not? Now piss off.
RE: I don't think he ever seemed like a particularly happy guy Â
On the one hand, it's sad when someone lives in such darkness that ending it all is the path they decide to follow. On the other hand, it's hard to sympathize too much with someone who left an 11 year old child behind. Really rotten thing to do to a kid.
but one thing I've noticed regarding the famous suicides is that a great number of the people were also self-admitted alcoholics/addicts. Depression usually gets the bulk of attention, and the addiction aspect of their lives is glossed over. They both need to be treated, daily, or the other thrives.
but one thing I've noticed regarding the famous suicides is that a great number of the people were also self-admitted alcoholics/addicts. Depression usually gets the bulk of attention, and the addiction aspect of their lives is glossed over. They both need to be treated, daily, or the other thrives.
RIP
And many are extremely gifted artistically. Almost as if their pain feeds their art
we’re groudbreaking shows within the genre. No one has been able to capture cultural exploration through food quite like Bourdain has. He was also a master with words and simply seemed to fit in wherever he went. Sad news and a huge loss.
Loved all his shows, same for Andrew Zimmern. The 2 guys had/have so much talent. Tony will be sorely missed. R.I.P.
Anyone who calls this "selfish" really just doesn't understand depression and mental illness. I'm sorry.
I don't think you guys can comprehend how terrible depression can make you feel and how horrible life can seem to those suffering. You aren't capable of considering even the closest people in your life. It's easy on the outside to say "what a selfish prick! How could he leave a kid behind like that!"
It's just way, way off-target.
Sometimes the lows get so low that you just think the world would be a better place without you in it. It has nothing to do with being selfish. It's really fucking sad and I wish people would learn more about mental health and how it can affect people because comments like that are very ignorant.
Easily one of my favorite food personalities, his shows have been top notch.
Such a sad day. Really admired his TV shows. So entertaining.
Damn. RIP.
It's not the same as it was, I guess is the sentiment, and it's true.
How Iggy Pop is still alive boggles the mind.
Remember seeing Lou Reed and his wife around, lovely people.
Or being a much younger punk (or drunk more truthfully back then) at cbgb.
Bye Tony!
Not surprised about Bourdain-estranged from family, increasingly trying to reach back to lost youth, didnt seem like a happy man satisfied with his life
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To still make his donkey sauce. Life isn’t fair
has a stable family life and a show promoting small local businesses-prick
Not surprised about Bourdain-estranged from family, increasingly trying to reach back to lost youth, didnt seem like a happy man satisfied with his life
I'm pretty sure it was a joke- but you saying that about Bourdain doesn't make you look like much less of a prick.
was apparently found by Eric Ripert
11 years old. I know that news doesn’t make it better.
was apparently found by Eric Ripert
This is exactly what I came here to post, FMiC beat me to it.
If there was a fantasy camp for jcn, it would basically be a week shadowing Bourdain while filming an episode of his show. RIP to AB.
The guy went from being a pretty bad drug addict to being successful and with that experience came a very frank perspective on life. He thoroughly seemed to enjoy immersing in other cultures, but I guess demons still haunt some to the point of no end.
chef how being constantly miserable and never being satisfied is what drives great chefs and himself to be successful. No doubt these were conversations to make his show more interesting but there was obviously some truth to them. I imagine it can be difficult to deal with those problems with other people without many of them saying or thinking "Boo hoo, go count your money"
Horrible.
I’m not sure that’s true. On an average day about 125 people take their lives, most of them everyday people with no great success or noteriety. The celebrities stand out because we know about them.
But it’s certainly accurate to say that fame and success are no insulators to the demons that get the better of too many of us.
if you or someone you know is struggling with depression/anxiety self harm and or sucidal ideations, please google Dialectical Behavior Therapy (DBT). Its saving lives around the world and Ive seen it work with those closest to me. If you want to reach out to me about it my email is Fitguyues@yahoo.com.
The psychological/emotional pain is so severe that it clouds and even destroys sound judgment.
The "think of the child you're leaving behind" tactic suggests that you can rationalize someone out of suicidal depression. That's not how it works. You can't rationalize someone out of Alzheimer's or Parkinson's. You can't with this, either.
People on social media are the bane of our existence.
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It’s very common for those who take their lives to believe that those they leave behind are better off without them.
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To still make his donkey sauce. Life isn’t fair
has a stable family life and a show promoting small local businesses-prick
Not surprised about Bourdain-estranged from family, increasingly trying to reach back to lost youth, didnt seem like a happy man satisfied with his life
I'm pretty sure it was a joke- but you saying that about Bourdain doesn't make you look like much less of a prick.
RIP
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And many are extremely gifted artistically. Almost as if their pain feeds their art
Same.
I've received 4 texts this morning. For some reason, Bourdain and his gig, really hit home for so many.
Loved all his shows, same for Andrew Zimmern. The 2 guys had/have so much talent. Tony will be sorely missed. R.I.P.
I don't think you guys can comprehend how terrible depression can make you feel and how horrible life can seem to those suffering. You aren't capable of considering even the closest people in your life. It's easy on the outside to say "what a selfish prick! How could he leave a kid behind like that!"
It's just way, way off-target.
Sometimes the lows get so low that you just think the world would be a better place without you in it. It has nothing to do with being selfish. It's really fucking sad and I wish people would learn more about mental health and how it can affect people because comments like that are very ignorant.