| “Terrell Owens informed Pro Football HOF he’s not attending induction ceremony,” Myers said in a Thursday tweet that has since been deleted. “Unprecedented. Classy guy. If I knew he would not show up, I would have voted for somebody who would have. T.O was not happy it took until third year to get in. Don’t know reason he’s not showing up.” |
-Gary Myers
| Owens gets it, and it could be (should be) one of the reasons why he doesn’t want to attend the ceremony. Myers’ admission that his vote on Owens’ eligibility would have been influenced by knowledge of his willingness to show up for the enshrinement could be (should be) a basis for the Hall of Fame to consider whether Myers should continue to have a vote. |
-Florio
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If I had a vote, I probably don't vote for him, because to me that stuff matters when talking about the Hall.
Hines Ward, who has still not been inducted, to me is far more deserving. He sold out on the field for his teammates. While T.O. was whining about not getting the ball, Ward was blocking the hell out of corners and helping his teammates make big plays.
No, Ward doesn't have the gaudy TD numbers of Owens, but he has 2 rings to Owens' none, and that's partly because of his dedication to his team and him being a Hall of Fame type of player.
Fair post, imv
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But addressing just the issue itself - Terrell Owens was a slam-dunk Hall of Fame player, regardless of what you think about him personally or what you think about him staying home. That's what the Hall should be about, performance on the field, period.
First ballot hofers should be perfect. Owens wasn’t perfect. Off the field shit or locked room shit can be cited in these incidents.
Owens had to wait 3 years booo fucking hoooo. Strahan waited too and unlike Owens had the perfect career.
Don’t tell me Owens was perfect. He was anything but.
Love Strahan, but on the field Owens was a better WR (arguably top 3 all time) than Strahan was a DE.
I disagree.
If I had a vote, I probably don't vote for him, because to me that stuff matters when talking about the Hall.
Hines Ward, who has still not been inducted, to me is far more deserving. He sold out on the field for his teammates. While T.O. was whining about not getting the ball, Ward was blocking the hell out of corners and helping his teammates make big plays.
No, Ward doesn't have the gaudy TD numbers of Owens, but he has 2 rings to Owens' none, and that's partly because of his dedication to his team and him being a Hall of Fame type of player.
T.O. was/is probably my most hated athlete of all-time but this is a pretty ridiculous take. Hines Ward was nowhere near the football player T.O. was. That's what it is about at the end of the day- the caliber of player you are.
Ward is severely overrated. Owens was a gamechanger for a very long time. Ward was solid possession guy with limitations.
I agree with this completely.
No need to make the thread political.
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But addressing just the issue itself - Terrell Owens was a slam-dunk Hall of Fame player, regardless of what you think about him personally or what you think about him staying home. That's what the Hall should be about, performance on the field, period.
First ballot hofers should be perfect. Owens wasn’t perfect. Off the field shit or locked room shit can be cited in these incidents.
Owens had to wait 3 years booo fucking hoooo. Strahan waited too and unlike Owens had the perfect career.
Don’t tell me Owens was perfect. He was anything but.
This argument doesn't even hold water this year. Randy Moss was voted in on the first ballot. Their careers are virtually identical to the number of games, yards, TDs, Teams played for...It is actually kind of eerie
If he doesnt want to go, why should he? And if you dont vote for him based on this, you should rescind your voting. HOf is based on how you play on the field. TO is one of the best WRs ever and deserved to be in FIRST ballot.
Agreed.
Wish teams did he "destroy"? He was instrumental in getting the Eagles into the SB and they would have won if McNabb hadn't choked. He also was an all-pro WR on a very talented Cowboys team that were SB favorites.
If I had a vote, I probably don't vote for him, because to me that stuff matters when talking about the Hall.
Hines Ward, who has still not been inducted, to me is far more deserving. He sold out on the field for his teammates. While T.O. was whining about not getting the ball, Ward was blocking the hell out of corners and helping his teammates make big plays.
No, Ward doesn't have the gaudy TD numbers of Owens, but he has 2 rings to Owens' none, and that's partly because of his dedication to his team and him being a Hall of Fame type of player.
This is a hot take you can fry a turkey with. Jesus Christ.
What a dumb opinion.
He was a terrific player but his act wore thin on not one, not two but three different occasions/teams.
Again, there’s nothing wrong with making a player wait on induction into the HOF if that player had even the slightest blemish on his career. TO had blemishes.
We are in agreement here. How did this asshole get a HOF vote?
Yep. Baseball hall of fame voting is a total joke. Apparently football isn't much worse if other voters think similarly to Myers.
Do you just dismiss that when considering HoF?
Do you just dismiss that when considering HoF?
How is that germane to Terrell Owens?
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what do you do with a great player if it turns out they are a rapist or pedophile?
Do you just dismiss that when considering HoF?
How is that germane to Terrell Owens?
It's germane to whether or not HoF consideration should be limited to 100% on field only.
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what do you do with a great player if it turns out they are a rapist or pedophile?
Do you just dismiss that when considering HoF?
How is that germane to Terrell Owens?
It's germane to whether or not HoF consideration should be limited to 100% on field only.
So let's say that it's about play on the field except in the case of heinous crimes?
T.O is who he is nothing more need be said but he deserved to be a 1st time ballot HOF. However he has not kept his true nature hidden he has been T.O love him or hate him but he has been himself not a facade as most players are today.
TO was a great player with a strange personality that was all over the map at different times. I’m not sure he’s simply doing this for attention.
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And yeah, the reason TO is probably not going is due to having to pay his own way. What team would he go in under? He isn't remembered fondly at any of his stops.
That’s great for team unity and growth.
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But addressing just the issue itself - Terrell Owens was a slam-dunk Hall of Fame player, regardless of what you think about him personally or what you think about him staying home. That's what the Hall should be about, performance on the field, period.
First ballot hofers should be perfect. Owens wasn’t perfect. Off the field shit or locked room shit can be cited in these incidents.
Owens had to wait 3 years booo fucking hoooo. Strahan waited too and unlike Owens had the perfect career.
Don’t tell me Owens was perfect. He was anything but.
Love Strahan, but on the field Owens was a better WR (arguably top 3 all time) than Strahan was a DE.
Better? Based on what? Stats? Nope. Team overall success? Nope. The eye test? No. Both were elite. TO was a lunatic who divided locker rooms.
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What? For most of his career he was a guy who cared more about his contract than about the team. Not for nothing was he commonly referred to as $trahan on this very board many years ago. He changed quite a bit in his last couple of seasons, but for most of his career he was far from anything resembling a team leader. And Owens was a better receiver than Strahan was a DE.
Fair post, imv
Oh so because Mark S foolishly labeled Strahan as $trahan it carries weight around here? Mark was wrong. Strahan was fantastic once he got into year 3-4. He had one, count them ONE season where he slipped (99?) and promptly bounced back soon after.
You like to diminish players and coaches from this nyg era. Strahan was as good a DE in all of football for the better part of 15 years.
TO had a bizzare persona on the surface and countless reports of him causing riffs in the locker room. Countless evidence of him showing up qbs and teammates. Moss wasn’t as disruptive and honestly he was just better or more explosive than TO.
I loved TO as a player. Hated that the giants faced him so many times. I even defended his act at times but he rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. Teams were scared of signing him. That tells me he wasn’t a perfect nfl entity.
LT was nuts off the field. Strahan bitched about money. Uhh they all do. LT was crazier than most but how many times was he traded? How many moments did the giants ehen entertain the notion of trading either player? Not many is my guess.
Moss was traded too. But he also broke nfl records when he got traded and his peak was better than TO
Whatever the guy is fucking in. He had to wait 3 lousy years big deal. Drama queen divas should wait.
TO had a bizzare persona on the surface and countless reports of him causing riffs in the locker room. Countless evidence of him showing up qbs and teammates. Moss wasn’t as disruptive and honestly he was just better or more explosive than TO.
I loved TO as a player. Hated that the giants faced him so many times. I even defended his act at times but he rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. Teams were scared of signing him. That tells me he wasn’t a perfect nfl entity.
LT was nuts off the field. Strahan bitched about money. Uhh they all do. LT was crazier than most but how many times was he traded? How many moments did the giants ehen entertain the notion of trading either player? Not many is my guess.
Moss was traded too. But he also broke nfl records when he got traded and his peak was better than TO
Whatever the guy is fucking in. He had to wait 3 lousy years big deal. Drama queen divas should wait.
Ray Lewis played a role in a murder and was a first-ballot HOFer. It's ridiculous and childish that the voters pushed TO out to his third year of eligibility. Period. Hard stop.
If I had a vote, I probably don't vote for him, because to me that stuff matters when talking about the Hall.
Hines Ward, who has still not been inducted, to me is far more deserving. He sold out on the field for his teammates. While T.O. was whining about not getting the ball, Ward was blocking the hell out of corners and helping his teammates make big plays.
No, Ward doesn't have the gaudy TD numbers of Owens, but he has 2 rings to Owens' none, and that's partly because of his dedication to his team and him being a Hall of Fame type of player.
It's actually impressive, how consistently dumb your opinions on things are. It's like you come up with a random opinion and then try to invent reality to support it,
TO never lead a fucking thing except his own agenda.
Not a fair comparison.
TO was the biggest diva wr in the history of the nfl. From all accounts he was not a leader. He was not a good locker room presence. He caused friction. He dividers locker rooms. Even if half the shit said about TO is untrue he still carried a stigma that is impossible to ignore. His career was not perfect on the field. There was always drama. Always tension.
Ray Lewis had a near perfect career. He inspired teamates even if I myself eye roll about him, he did inspire. Period. TO inspired more dramatic hot takes than anyone did before or after. So he waited three lousy years. Gimme a break. Bigger injustices have occurred. See harry Carson. See Leonard Marshall not even getting a whiff of canton. Or Bavaro. Or Bart Oates. George young. Or plenty of other well deserving Nfl greats that played elsewhere. And I’m supposed to cry for TO because he didn’t get in on the first try??? Cmon already!
There still isn't agreement here, or elsewhere in sports circles, about just how much T.O.'s character was an issue with the teams he played for. It's absurd that the people who have a vote are allowed to even make a judgment off of something so subjective - where is the line drawn? It's clear that the standard on the committee is so lax that we likely have voters having decisions affected based just on whether or not they like the player. No football fan should be in support of that.
The analogy of players that have a felony conviction or that took PED's is not worth bringing up, because there wouldn't be much of debate. Those are objective things that are worthy of discretion from a person making the decision. But absent of the player committing a severe law/rules violation, the decision to nominate should be based only on their accomplishments on the field. Period.
T.O. had a career worthy of a first ballot induction - he was bypassed not once, but twice. He released a public statement about his not attending the ceremony which I thought was very classy and professional - but if he would have released a statement telling the HOF committee to go fuck themselves I think that would have been completely acceptable as well.
When I think of "How does that person have a Hall of Fame vote???" I always think of Nancy Gay, the (former?) San Francisco 49ers beat reporter.
Remember when she wrote that article that mentioned that Eli was "benched" for Jared Lorenzen? Lorenzen came into the game when the Giants decided to go for it on 4th-and-short. Then Eli came back in. But to that football genius, Eli was benched.
And she has/had a Pro Football Hall of Fame vote.
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Today have become to media affiliated they seem to think that playing the game gives them very special privileges both from the sport, team management and in life. Now is it just the players fault or are we the fans just as guilty for continued support of these teams and players. Does the news about any terrible players behavior really surprise us anymore we have seen and heard it all. Players now are refusing to visit the White House because they don’t like the present president or what he has said. They kneel down during the playing of our anthem but we still like the romans attend the feeding of the Christians to the lions why is that?
T.O is who he is nothing more need be said but he deserved to be a 1st time ballot HOF. However he has not kept his true nature hidden he has been T.O love him or hate him but he has been himself not a facade as most players are today.
I have no fucking clue what point is trying to be made here.
Yards
Rice: 22895
Owens: 15934
Fitzgerald: 15545
Moss: 15292
Bruce: 15208
No one else >15,000
Touchdowns
Rice: 197
Moss: 156
Owens: 153
Carter: 130
Harrison: 128
Fitzgerald: 110
Big drop-off after Rice and another after Moss/Owens
Receptions
Rice: 1549
Fitzgerald: 1234
Witten: 1152
Harrison: 1102
Carter: 1101
Tim Brown: 1094
Owens: 1078
...
14. Moss: 982
*It should be noted that Moss, Owens, and Fitz have played 218, 219, and 218 games respectively (Rice played in 303 games).
Yards
Rice: 22895
Owens: 15934
Fitzgerald: 15545
Moss: 15292
Bruce: 15208
No one else >15,000
Touchdowns
Rice: 197
Moss: 156
Owens: 153
Carter: 130
Harrison: 128
Fitzgerald: 110
Big drop-off after Rice and another after Moss/Owens
Receptions
Rice: 1549
Fitzgerald: 1234
Witten: 1152
Harrison: 1102
Carter: 1101
Tim Brown: 1094
Owens: 1078
...
14. Moss: 982
*It should be noted that Moss, Owens, and Fitz have played 218, 219, and 218 games respectively (Rice played in 303 games).
Given some of the garbage QBs Fitzgerald played with in Arizona, I'd argue he's just as good as T.O.
But the third best WR ever? No way. T.O. is helped by modern stats. Don Hutson, Steve Largent, and Art Monk were better receivers.