Hall of Fame Voter: Gary Myers on T.O.

that TO is an ass for not showing up (i for one dont care)

but that can't be a reason for him not getting in (if anyone knew prior).

100000000% on this.

If he doesnt want to go, why should he? And if you dont vote for him based on this, you should rescind your voting. HOf is based on how you play on the field. TO is one of the best WRs ever and deserved to be in FIRST ballot.

But addressing just the issue itself - Terrell Owens was a slam-dunk Hall of Fame player, regardless of what you think about him personally or what you think about him staying home. That's what the Hall should be about, performance on the field, period.

Fuck Myers.

In comment 13986630 Dodge said:

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Fuck Myers.

I agree with him too. I think it was pretty stupid for Myers to make that statement publicly and exposes a lot about him as a voter.

He would evaluate a guy's HOF worthiness based on whether or not the guy would attend the ceremony? He is, literally, admitting he doesn't know how to evaluate players' HOF credentials.

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But addressing just the issue itself - Terrell Owens was a slam-dunk Hall of Fame player, regardless of what you think about him personally or what you think about him staying home. That's what the Hall should be about, performance on the field, period.

First ballot hofers should be perfect. Owens wasn’t perfect. Off the field shit or locked room shit can be cited in these incidents.

Owens had to wait 3 years booo fucking hoooo. Strahan waited too and unlike Owens had the perfect career.

Don’t tell me Owens was perfect. He was anything but.

He was a selfish asshole but he was one of the best WR's to ever play the game. Florio is right here and the fact that Myers would change his vote because Owens isn't showing up is a ridiculous comment and proof that this fool should not be a voter. He should be judged by his performance on the field and that is all.

He thought it had less to do with the snub and more to do with the expense of housing all his guests.

Typically, teams pay for a player and his invited guests to attend, going so far as to put them up and pay their way the entire weekend. Since TO has burnt every bridge to any team he had played for, there's nobody to foot the bill.

Seems more plausible to me. If he was snubbing them just because of the delay on induction, would he still be accepting the award and participating remotely?

In comment 13986630 Dodge said:

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Fuck Myers.

+1

I have always liked him more than most, and while I won't deny he brought problems on himself, I also think some of the criticism he took was unfair. And this is another example of that. If he doesn't want to go, he doesn't have to go. It's that simple. I don't know why people like Myers have a problem with that.

In comment 13986659 jcn56 said:

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He thought it had less to do with the snub and more to do with the expense of housing all his guests. Typically, teams pay for a player and his invited guests to attend, going so far as to put them up and pay their way the entire weekend. Since TO has burnt every bridge to any team he had played for, there's nobody to foot the bill. Seems more plausible to me. If he was snubbing them just because of the delay on induction, would he still be accepting the award and participating remotely?

What team did Owens choose to go in as? 49ers?

In comment 13986654 djm said:

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In comment 13986629 Greg from LI said: Quote: But addressing just the issue itself - Terrell Owens was a slam-dunk Hall of Fame player, regardless of what you think about him personally or what you think about him staying home. That's what the Hall should be about, performance on the field, period. First ballot hofers should be perfect. Owens wasn’t perfect. Off the field shit or locked room shit can be cited in these incidents. Owens had to wait 3 years booo fucking hoooo. Strahan waited too and unlike Owens had the perfect career. Don’t tell me Owens was perfect. He was anything but.

Love Strahan, but on the field Owens was a better WR (arguably top 3 all time) than Strahan was a DE.

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He thought it had less to do with the snub and more to do with the expense of housing all his guests. Typically, teams pay for a player and his invited guests to attend, going so far as to put them up and pay their way the entire weekend. Since TO has burnt every bridge to any team he had played for, there's nobody to foot the bill. Seems more plausible to me. If he was snubbing them just because of the delay on induction, would he still be accepting the award and participating remotely?

Seems like a reach. I feel like Jerry Jones would happily pay in exchange for TO entering the HOF as a "Cowboy" (assuming TO gets the choice?!?).

and it ain’t even close

What? For most of his career he was a guy who cared more about his contract than about the team. Not for nothing was he commonly referred to as $trahan on this very board many years ago. He changed quite a bit in his last couple of seasons, but for most of his career he was far from anything resembling a team leader. And Owens was a better receiver than Strahan was a DE.

But he was a selfish player who was jettisoned from multiple teams because of his me-first mentality. And his poisonous attitude is probably why he was never a Super Bowl champion.

If I had a vote, I probably don't vote for him, because to me that stuff matters when talking about the Hall.

Hines Ward, who has still not been inducted, to me is far more deserving. He sold out on the field for his teammates. While T.O. was whining about not getting the ball, Ward was blocking the hell out of corners and helping his teammates make big plays.

No, Ward doesn't have the gaudy TD numbers of Owens, but he has 2 rings to Owens' none, and that's partly because of his dedication to his team and him being a Hall of Fame type of player.

In comment 13986676 Greg from LI said:

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What? For most of his career he was a guy who cared more about his contract than about the team. Not for nothing was he commonly referred to as $trahan on this very board many years ago. He changed quite a bit in his last couple of seasons, but for most of his career he was far from anything resembling a team leader. And Owens was a better receiver than Strahan was a DE.

Fair post, imv

In comment 13986669 giants#1 said:

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In comment 13986654 djm said: Quote: In comment 13986629 Greg from LI said: Quote: But addressing just the issue itself - Terrell Owens was a slam-dunk Hall of Fame player, regardless of what you think about him personally or what you think about him staying home. That's what the Hall should be about, performance on the field, period. First ballot hofers should be perfect. Owens wasn’t perfect. Off the field shit or locked room shit can be cited in these incidents. Owens had to wait 3 years booo fucking hoooo. Strahan waited too and unlike Owens had the perfect career. Don’t tell me Owens was perfect. He was anything but. Love Strahan, but on the field Owens was a better WR (arguably top 3 all time) than Strahan was a DE.

I disagree.

The guy doesn’t want to show up so you wouldn’t vote for him? That’s just stupid. A guy that stupid should not have a vote.

In comment 13986678 allstarjim said:

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But he was a selfish player who was jettisoned from multiple teams because of his me-first mentality. And his poisonous attitude is probably why he was never a Super Bowl champion. If I had a vote, I probably don't vote for him, because to me that stuff matters when talking about the Hall. Hines Ward, who has still not been inducted, to me is far more deserving. He sold out on the field for his teammates. While T.O. was whining about not getting the ball, Ward was blocking the hell out of corners and helping his teammates make big plays. No, Ward doesn't have the gaudy TD numbers of Owens, but he has 2 rings to Owens' none, and that's partly because of his dedication to his team and him being a Hall of Fame type of player.

T.O. was/is probably my most hated athlete of all-time but this is a pretty ridiculous take. Hines Ward was nowhere near the football player T.O. was. That's what it is about at the end of the day- the caliber of player you are.

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wasn't in the same league. Not close. Nothing he did was better than Owens outside of smiling all of the time and the occasional crack back.

Ward is severely overrated. Owens was a gamechanger for a very long time. Ward was solid possession guy with limitations.

In comment 13986676 Greg from LI said:

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What? For most of his career he was a guy who cared more about his contract than about the team. Not for nothing was he commonly referred to as $trahan on this very board many years ago. He changed quite a bit in his last couple of seasons, but for most of his career he was far from anything resembling a team leader. And Owens was a better receiver than Strahan was a DE.

I agree with this completely.

In comment 13986629 Greg from LI said:

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But addressing just the issue itself - Terrell Owens was a slam-dunk Hall of Fame player, regardless of what you think about him personally or what you think about him staying home. That's what the Hall should be about, performance on the field, period.

No need to make the thread political.

In comment 13986654 djm said:

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In comment 13986629 Greg from LI said: Quote: But addressing just the issue itself - Terrell Owens was a slam-dunk Hall of Fame player, regardless of what you think about him personally or what you think about him staying home. That's what the Hall should be about, performance on the field, period. First ballot hofers should be perfect. Owens wasn’t perfect. Off the field shit or locked room shit can be cited in these incidents. Owens had to wait 3 years booo fucking hoooo. Strahan waited too and unlike Owens had the perfect career. Don’t tell me Owens was perfect. He was anything but.

This argument doesn't even hold water this year. Randy Moss was voted in on the first ballot. Their careers are virtually identical to the number of games, yards, TDs, Teams played for...It is actually kind of eerie

I think TO is lucky to be in. He destroyed more teams than he helped to success

In comment 13986625 dep026 said:

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100000000% on this. If he doesnt want to go, why should he? And if you dont vote for him based on this, you should rescind your voting. HOf is based on how you play on the field. TO is one of the best WRs ever and deserved to be in FIRST ballot.

Agreed.

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I think TO is lucky to be in. He destroyed more teams than he helped to success

Wish teams did he "destroy"? He was instrumental in getting the Eagles into the SB and they would have won if McNabb hadn't choked. He also was an all-pro WR on a very talented Cowboys team that were SB favorites.

In comment 13986678 allstarjim said:

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But he was a selfish player who was jettisoned from multiple teams because of his me-first mentality. And his poisonous attitude is probably why he was never a Super Bowl champion. If I had a vote, I probably don't vote for him, because to me that stuff matters when talking about the Hall. Hines Ward, who has still not been inducted, to me is far more deserving. He sold out on the field for his teammates. While T.O. was whining about not getting the ball, Ward was blocking the hell out of corners and helping his teammates make big plays. No, Ward doesn't have the gaudy TD numbers of Owens, but he has 2 rings to Owens' none, and that's partly because of his dedication to his team and him being a Hall of Fame type of player.

This is a hot take you can fry a turkey with. Jesus Christ.

What a dumb opinion.

Passionately went to bat for TO or defended his behavior? I can’t think of any.

He was a terrific player but his act wore thin on not one, not two but three different occasions/teams.

Again, there’s nothing wrong with making a player wait on induction into the HOF if that player had even the slightest blemish on his career. TO had blemishes.

Gary Meyers is an asshole.

over McNabb during their feud

In comment 13986690 Greg from LI said:

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We are in agreement here. How did this asshole get a HOF vote?

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Fuck Myers.

Yep. Baseball hall of fame voting is a total joke. Apparently football isn't much worse if other voters think similarly to Myers.

what do you do with a great player if it turns out they are a rapist or pedophile?

Do you just dismiss that when considering HoF?

and basically admits to favoritism in his voting. So he’s vote a guy based on whether he’d show up? Fuck off, take away this guys vote.

In comment 13986877 mrvax said:

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what do you do with a great player if it turns out they are a rapist or pedophile? Do you just dismiss that when considering HoF?

How is that germane to Terrell Owens?

but if he was simply a jerk that you didn’t like than you shouldn’t have a vote.

on some teams with fantastic defenses and other weapons on offense. He isn’t close to the caliber of player TO was and isn’t a HOFer, IMO. Very good player who I’d want only team, but certainly not a game changer.

At least Myers is being real about the hall being a popularity, likeability contest for the press.

In comment 13986883 Greg from LI said:

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In comment 13986877 mrvax said: Quote: what do you do with a great player if it turns out they are a rapist or pedophile? Do you just dismiss that when considering HoF? How is that germane to Terrell Owens?

It's germane to whether or not HoF consideration should be limited to 100% on field only.

In comment 13986932 mrvax said:

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In comment 13986883 Greg from LI said: Quote: In comment 13986877 mrvax said: Quote: what do you do with a great player if it turns out they are a rapist or pedophile? Do you just dismiss that when considering HoF? How is that germane to Terrell Owens? It's germane to whether or not HoF consideration should be limited to 100% on field only.

Were Darren Sharper a HOF caliber player, for instance, then he wouldn't be getting in.

So let's say that it's about play on the field except in the case of heinous crimes?

Today have become to media affiliated they seem to think that playing the game gives them very special privileges both from the sport, team management and in life. Now is it just the players fault or are we the fans just as guilty for continued support of these teams and players. Does the news about any terrible players behavior really surprise us anymore we have seen and heard it all. Players now are refusing to visit the White House because they don’t like the present president or what he has said. They kneel down during the playing of our anthem but we still like the romans attend the feeding of the Christians to the lions why is that?

T.O is who he is nothing more need be said but he deserved to be a 1st time ballot HOF. However he has not kept his true nature hidden he has been T.O love him or hate him but he has been himself not a facade as most players are today.

have quite an ego. The baseball ones are even worse. They are basically picking guys to be honored in a sports museum but they act like they are choosing the next pope.

TO was a great player with a strange personality that was all over the map at different times. I’m not sure he’s simply doing this for attention.

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I'm sure Mark Herzlich would attend his ceremony, so let's induct him?

And yeah, the reason TO is probably not going is due to having to pay his own way. What team would he go in under? He isn't remembered fondly at any of his stops.

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over McNabb during their feud

That’s great for team unity and growth.

In comment 13986669 giants#1 said:

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In comment 13986654 djm said: Quote: In comment 13986629 Greg from LI said: Quote: But addressing just the issue itself - Terrell Owens was a slam-dunk Hall of Fame player, regardless of what you think about him personally or what you think about him staying home. That's what the Hall should be about, performance on the field, period. First ballot hofers should be perfect. Owens wasn’t perfect. Off the field shit or locked room shit can be cited in these incidents. Owens had to wait 3 years booo fucking hoooo. Strahan waited too and unlike Owens had the perfect career. Don’t tell me Owens was perfect. He was anything but. Love Strahan, but on the field Owens was a better WR (arguably top 3 all time) than Strahan was a DE.

Better? Based on what? Stats? Nope. Team overall success? Nope. The eye test? No. Both were elite. TO was a lunatic who divided locker rooms.