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NFT: Yankees (40-18) @ Mets (27-32), Subway Series GM1

RasputinPrime : 6/8/2018 6:02 pm
1. Brett Gardner (L) CF .262/.357/.388, 1.9 fWAR
2. Aaron Judge (R) RF .274/.401/.566, 3.0 fWAR
3. Greg Bird (L) 1B .205/.262/.487, 0.1 fWAR
4. Giancarlo Stanton (R) LF .251/.329/.493, 1.6 fWAR
5. Gary Sanchez (R) CA .201/.303/.455, 1.2 fWAR
6. Didi Gregorius (L) SS .242/.320/.460, 1.4 fWAR
7. Miguel Andujar (R) 3B .306/.337/.544, 0.9 fWAR
8. Masahiro Tanaka (R) P .000/.000/.000, 0.0 fWAR
9. Gleyber Torres (R) 2B .294/.353/.551, 0.9 fWAR

Masahiro Tanaka (R): (67.2 IP, 4.79 ERA, 0.4 RA9 WAR)
vs.
Jacob deGrom (R): (72.1 IP, 1.49 ERA, 3.4 RA9 WAR)

1. Brandon Nimmo (L) LF .267/.407/.533, 1.9 fWAR
2. Asdrubal Cabrera (S) 2B .286/.328/.498, 1.5 fWAR
3. Michael Conforto (L) CF .228/.351/.380, 0.4 fWAR
4. Todd Frazier (R) 3B .230/.345/.393, 0.8 fWAR
5. Jay Bruce (L) RF .224/.297/.339, 0.0 fWAR
6. Devin Mesoraco (R) CA .218/.301/.436, 0.3 fWAR
7. Adrian Gonzalez (L) 1B .244/.309/.381, -0.1 fWAR
8. Jacob deGrom (L) P .087/.160/.087, 0.0 fWAR
9. Amed Rosario (R) SS .251/.284/.366, 0.2 fWAR
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Todd Frazier cleaning up?  
NoGainDayne : 6/8/2018 6:05 pm : link
Good god.
Why exactly is Tyler Austin STILL on the ML roster?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/8/2018 6:08 pm : link
It would be one thing if he was getting regular ABs, but he's not doing that and he's struggling badly. Doesn't seem helpful for the player or the roster.
RE: Why exactly is Tyler Austin STILL on the ML roster?  
Beer Man : 6/8/2018 6:18 pm : link
In comment 13987025 shockeyisthebest8056 said:
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It would be one thing if he was getting regular ABs, but he's not doing that and he's struggling badly. Doesn't seem helpful for the player or the roster.
I wouldn't be surprise if he is sent down and Toe brought back up. Toe is more suited for the back-up role and Austin needs to get at bats. It also wouldn't be a surprise if Austin was traded.
I have a feeling Stanton is finally ready for  
mfsd : 6/8/2018 6:22 pm : link
a big time hot streak
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arcarsenal : 6/8/2018 6:33 pm : link
There isn't a single player in the Yankees lineup where I'd take the corresponding Mets hitter instead. Not one.

I would take deGrom over Tanaka  
Neckbone1333 : 6/8/2018 6:36 pm : link
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RE: I would take deGrom over Tanaka  
arcarsenal : 6/8/2018 6:36 pm : link
In comment 13987043 Neckbone1333 said:
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Hitter was the key word.
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arcarsenal : 6/8/2018 6:36 pm : link
In which case, yeah - I guess I'd rather have deGrom hitting.. LOL. But that's it.
highest batting averages  
RasputinPrime : 6/8/2018 6:52 pm : link
at the bottom of the lineup. How baseball has changed.
RE: highest batting averages  
NoGainDayne : 6/8/2018 7:02 pm : link
In comment 13987055 RasputinPrime said:
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at the bottom of the lineup. How baseball has changed.


It really is funny how advanced analytics can be so confounding to lower levels of analysis. I've heard Cashman say many times that the idea is to get your best batters as many at bats as possible.

If I had to guess they were overlaying statistics saying that younger batters bat for higher averages if they are lower in the order. So in a certain way the higher averages might be proving that point as opposed to bucking traditional stats.

I do think there is another layer though where we haven't gotten to yet where personality factors in to how vulnerable you might be to confidence fluctuations. IE from everything I've seen from Gleyber he would appear to be the type that would not be too affected by the area of the order he bats in but that's just conjecture, don't think the data science is there yet.
Oh, Masahiro - another meatball.  
bceagle05 : 6/8/2018 7:18 pm : link
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Jeez Tanaka... can we go at least 3 pitches without a fucking HR?  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/8/2018 7:18 pm : link
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Yay  
Rory : 6/8/2018 7:19 pm : link
Nimmo is the best
I Hate That The Yanks Always Have Cone and Leiter...  
Jim in Tampa : 6/8/2018 7:25 pm : link
doing the Yankee vs. Mets games.

If it's Yanks vs. any other team I have no problem thinking of them as ex-Yankees. But when they're announcing Yanks vs. Mets, I can't help thinking of them as ex-Mets pitchers. (I'll bet they also think of themselves as ex-Mets.)
RE: I Hate That The Yanks Always Have Cone and Leiter...  
Greg from LI : 6/8/2018 7:27 pm : link
In comment 13987072 Jim in Tampa said:
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doing the Yankee vs. Mets games.

If it's Yanks vs. any other team I have no problem thinking of them as ex-Yankees. But when they're announcing Yanks vs. Mets, I can't help thinking of them as ex-Mets pitchers. (I'll bet they also think of themselves as ex-Mets.)


I highly doubt that Cone, owner of 3 Yankees championship rings, thinks of himself primarily as a Met.
I love Leiter  
RasputinPrime : 6/8/2018 7:33 pm : link
Cone less so in the booth. Do we know how the booth will be distributed next year when Singleton is "retired"?
RE: RE: I Hate That The Yanks Always Have Cone and Leiter...  
Jim in Tampa : 6/8/2018 7:33 pm : link
In comment 13987074 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 13987072 Jim in Tampa said:


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doing the Yankee vs. Mets games.

If it's Yanks vs. any other team I have no problem thinking of them as ex-Yankees. But when they're announcing Yanks vs. Mets, I can't help thinking of them as ex-Mets pitchers. (I'll bet they also think of themselves as ex-Mets.)



I highly doubt that Cone, owner of 3 Yankees championship rings, thinks of himself primarily as a Met.


I highly doubt you're right. He came of age as a Met. By the time he was a Yank he was a hired gun.
RE: RE: I Hate That The Yanks Always Have Cone and Leiter...  
terz22 : 6/8/2018 7:33 pm : link
In comment 13987074 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 13987072 Jim in Tampa said:


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doing the Yankee vs. Mets games.

If it's Yanks vs. any other team I have no problem thinking of them as ex-Yankees. But when they're announcing Yanks vs. Mets, I can't help thinking of them as ex-Mets pitchers. (I'll bet they also think of themselves as ex-Mets.)



I highly doubt that Cone, owner of 3 Yankees championship rings, thinks of himself primarily as a Met.


4* lol
Nice catch Gardy...  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/8/2018 7:34 pm : link
Tanaka can't give up a HR to Jay Bruce who's been absolutely horrible, can he?
On a positive note  
Eman11 : 6/8/2018 7:36 pm : link
It looks like we have a home plate ump who actually knows the strike zone. Good to see Judge not getting that too low pitch called on him.
Sheffield with four hitless inning so far for Scranton.  
bceagle05 : 6/8/2018 7:39 pm : link
Inching closer.
anyone on either side of this  
RasputinPrime : 6/8/2018 7:50 pm : link
think the rumour that the cost of de Grom/Thor is Torres+Andujar+Frazier+Sheffield is anything other than a really bad joke?

I don't know what the Yankees can actually trade that helps them. Andujar and Torres are now part of the team and there is no expectation that they can be replaced by someone else in the system. I also don't think Frazier+Sheffield and others is enough to trade for an impact arm that can reasonably be expected to be better than what we have or can find for much less.
How do these guys  
Eman11 : 6/8/2018 7:58 pm : link
Not know DeGrom elevates his fastball when he gets two strikes on hitters? You'd think something that obvious would be in the scouting reports. Lay off that damn pitch!
RE: anyone on either side of this  
arcarsenal : 6/8/2018 7:58 pm : link
In comment 13987088 RasputinPrime said:
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think the rumour that the cost of de Grom/Thor is Torres+Andujar+Frazier+Sheffield is anything other than a really bad joke?

I don't know what the Yankees can actually trade that helps them. Andujar and Torres are now part of the team and there is no expectation that they can be replaced by someone else in the system. I also don't think Frazier+Sheffield and others is enough to trade for an impact arm that can reasonably be expected to be better than what we have or can find for much less.


I don't think they'll be able to match up because the Mets will keep their demands ludicrous (especially for NYY) and at a level where it doesn't make sense for the Yanks to pull the trigger.

I think it actually could be a good match in theory - the Yankees have pieces that could help jumpstart the Mets rebuild, but the Mets will play it terribly as usual, keep their asking price well-above what anyone will be willing to give up and then manage to wind up with either an underwhelming package or no trade partner.

I'm not sure that rumor is true, though. I'd need to see it more reliably reported first.
RE: anyone on either side of this  
Jim in Tampa : 6/8/2018 8:01 pm : link
In comment 13987088 RasputinPrime said:
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think the rumour that the cost of de Grom/Thor is Torres+Andujar+Frazier+Sheffield is anything other than a really bad joke?

I don't know what the Yankees can actually trade that helps them. Andujar and Torres are now part of the team and there is no expectation that they can be replaced by someone else in the system. I also don't think Frazier+Sheffield and others is enough to trade for an impact arm that can reasonably be expected to be better than what we have or can find for much less.


I assume all Yankee fans know that the team isn't trading a 21 yr old position player like Torres, who has a chance to be a star, for anybody. Not saying de Grom isn't worth Torres and more at this stage in their respective careers, just that the Yanks wouldn't do it.
deGrom is actually the kind of pitcher who deserves a haul,  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/8/2018 8:12 pm : link
but the haul needs to be of a minor league level. Look at recent trades of pitchers (starters and relievers), what would be the most comparable? Chris Sale? He got a return of 2 TOP minor leaguers and 2 other minor leaguers.

For me, don't even bother asking for Torres or Andujar. I also don't want to trade Frazier. So what can we get with Sheffield, Florial, Abreu, etc.?
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arcarsenal : 6/8/2018 8:15 pm : link
If Frazier/Sheffield and one other slightly smaller piece landed deGrom, I think the Yankees should absolutely do that and I think that's fair.

I'd call Torres untouchable and I wouldn't want to move Andujar, either.
Tanaka scores on a sac fly.  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/8/2018 8:33 pm : link
Put him in ice right now... shades of Wang.
That strike 3 to Bird was a little outside  
dpinzow : 6/8/2018 8:37 pm : link
DeGrom gets a huge call to end the inning
Big time Wang flashbacks there.  
bceagle05 : 6/8/2018 8:37 pm : link
That was scary.
Another day, another shit called strike 3 on the Yanks  
Greg from LI : 6/8/2018 8:37 pm : link
It's becoming a tradition
Tanaka replaced by Jonathan Holder  
dpinzow : 6/8/2018 8:38 pm : link
Tanaka went straight to the clubhouse after scoring on the sac fly with the trainer
What a fucking disaster... thanks interleague horseshit!!!!!!!!!!!  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/8/2018 8:38 pm : link
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Are you fucking kidding me?  
illmatic : 6/8/2018 8:39 pm : link
Fuck these interleague games.
NL  
terz22 : 6/8/2018 8:39 pm : link
Needs to adopt the DH already. Just stupid.
The Mets are fools but they'd have to be complete idiots  
arniefez : 6/8/2018 8:40 pm : link
to do a trade like that. Look at the Sale trade for an idea what deGrom would cost and that's before the Yankees tax. The Mets should keep him and find position players to put around him but it seems they're not capable of drafting or signing anyone to help.
Fucking Mickey Mouse League.  
bceagle05 : 6/8/2018 8:40 pm : link
Yer up, Justus Sheffield.
RE: Another day, another shit called strike 3 on the Yanks  
Eman11 : 6/8/2018 8:42 pm : link
In comment 13987121 Greg from LI said:
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It's becoming a tradition


Yup. I thought this ump was calling a great game until he missed that pitch. Did you see Gardner's reaction on 2nd, throwing his arms straight up like WTF?
RE: RE: RE: I Hate That The Yanks Always Have Cone and Leiter...  
Greg from LI : 6/8/2018 8:43 pm : link
In comment 13987076 Jim in Tampa said:
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I highly doubt you're right. He came of age as a Met. By the time he was a Yank he was a hired gun.


He pitched 7 seasons for the Mets, 6 for the Yankees. Won four titles with the Yankees, zero as a Met. Threw a perfect game as a Yankee. He works for the Yankees, not the Mets. I don't see any reason to think he feels more attachment to the Mets.
Jeez, talk about flashbacks  
Greg from LI : 6/8/2018 8:44 pm : link
An Asian pitcher injuring himself while scoring in an interleaved game. *shudders*

Poor Wanger. He was a terrific pitcher before that.
Under no circumstance  
MookGiants : 6/8/2018 8:45 pm : link
should Nevin have sent Tanaka. I would never even let my pitcher swing the bat in an NL park, it's not worth the risk. And then when they get on the bases it would be station to station basically walking.

It's June 8th. Why Nevin even thought about that is beyond me.
RE: Under no circumstance  
Danny Kanell : 6/8/2018 8:48 pm : link
In comment 13987132 MookGiants said:
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should Nevin have sent Tanaka. I would never even let my pitcher swing the bat in an NL park, it's not worth the risk. And then when they get on the bases it would be station to station basically walking.

It's June 8th. Why Nevin even thought about that is beyond me.


Couldn’t agree more. Also, there should be a DH for all interleague games. It’s no advantage to either team that way. National league rules (which fucking suck by the way) are an advantage to the National League team because AL pitchers don’t work on hitting or running the bases.

It’s a goddamn joke.
RE: RE: RE: RE: I Hate That The Yanks Always Have Cone and Leiter...  
Jim in Tampa : 6/8/2018 8:48 pm : link
In comment 13987130 Greg from LI said:
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In comment 13987076 Jim in Tampa said:


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I highly doubt you're right. He came of age as a Met. By the time he was a Yank he was a hired gun.



He pitched 7 seasons for the Mets, 6 for the Yankees. Won four titles with the Yankees, zero as a Met. Threw a perfect game as a Yankee. He works for the Yankees, not the Mets. I don't see any reason to think he feels more attachment to the Mets.


He came of age as a Met and (counting repeat teams) the Yanks were his 8th team. By that time he was a hired gun.

You and I can believe whatever we want, but only Cone can answer this question.
Let's get some runs.  
bceagle05 : 6/8/2018 8:48 pm : link
Only thing that'll make us feel better.
Or not.  
bceagle05 : 6/8/2018 8:51 pm : link
Gary needs to wake up.
RE: Under no circumstance  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/8/2018 8:53 pm : link
In comment 13987132 MookGiants said:
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should Nevin have sent Tanaka. I would never even let my pitcher swing the bat in an NL park, it's not worth the risk. And then when they get on the bases it would be station to station basically walking.

It's June 8th. Why Nevin even thought about that is beyond me.


If that's the way you feel, you should be blaming the manager more than the third base coach. Considering that he's letting them swing away, he must not be all that concerned.
Tightness in both hamstrings for Tanaka. Will be  
Ace718 : 6/8/2018 9:00 pm : link
Evaluated tomorrow
RE: RE: Under no circumstance  
Mike in NY : 6/8/2018 9:01 pm : link
In comment 13987133 Danny Kanell said:
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In comment 13987132 MookGiants said:


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should Nevin have sent Tanaka. I would never even let my pitcher swing the bat in an NL park, it's not worth the risk. And then when they get on the bases it would be station to station basically walking.

It's June 8th. Why Nevin even thought about that is beyond me.



Couldn’t agree more. Also, there should be a DH for all interleague games. It’s no advantage to either team that way. National league rules (which fucking suck by the way) are an advantage to the National League team because AL pitchers don’t work on hitting or running the bases.

It’s a goddamn joke.


DH is an advantage to an AL team because the DH is usually a top hitter. In the NL, the DH is a bench player because they can’t afford someone who can’t play the field
RE: Tightness in both hamstrings for Tanaka. Will be  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 6/8/2018 9:01 pm : link
In comment 13987151 Ace718 said:
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Evaluated tomorrow


If that's an accurate diagnosis, it could've been worse.

Why are we struggling with shitty Jay Bruce? WTF.
Oh come on Chad  
Greg from LI : 6/8/2018 9:02 pm : link
Jay fuckin' Bruce? Really??
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