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ROSTER MOVES: The @Yankees placed RHP Masahiro Tanaka on the 10-day disabled list with mild strains of left and right hamstring and recalled INF Ronald Torreyes from Triple-A Scranton/Wilkes-Barre.
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Could've been bad. Dodged a bullet with Tanaka. Glad Torreyes is back up for the time being.
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Still, this is why I HATE the NL rules. There is no legitimate reason to have the P bat in today's ultra specialized game. MLB needs to force the NL to add the DH.
I would understand if Tanaka pulled a hammy covering a base, getting a bunt or even just on a pitch. However, to get injured running the bases is just ridiculous.
MLB spends forever wringing its hands over how to get through to the younger generations, but then falls all over itself kissing the asses of all the "baseball purists" who throw fits when talk rises of the DH.
Young people are not dumb- they can see P have no business hitter and is a waste of game time. At this point, I would even trade the idea of limiting the number of relievers you can use in an inning in exchange for the DH.
6-0 this season in the minors. ERA just over 2. Averaging just over 1 K per inning. Will be 24 years old in November.
With the success the Yankees have had bringing up young players, I can't wait to see him.
And he is already on the 40 man roster.
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If they need a SP, my guess is Hale would get the call
rich in DC : 4:36 pm : link : reply
Still, this is why I HATE the NL rules. There is no legitimate reason to have the P bat in today's ultra specialized game. MLB needs to force the NL to add the DH.
I would understand if Tanaka pulled a hammy covering a base, getting a bunt or even just on a pitch. However, to get injured running the bases is just ridiculous.
MLB spends forever wringing its hands over how to get through to the younger generations, but then falls all over itself kissing the asses of all the "baseball purists" who throw fits when talk rises of the DH.
Young people are not dumb- they can see P have no business hitter and is a waste of game time. At this point, I would even trade the idea of limiting the number of relievers you can use in an inning in exchange for the DH.
Why stop there ? We can have two separate offensive and defensive squads just like football. To make it even more fun, lets allow unlimited substitutions. That way we can have designated runners, unlimited platooning and even bunting specialists.
No big loss, almost a blessing in disguise.
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If they need a SP, my guess is Hale would get the call
rich in DC : 4:36 pm : link : reply
Still, this is why I HATE the NL rules. There is no legitimate reason to have the P bat in today's ultra specialized game. MLB needs to force the NL to add the DH.
I would understand if Tanaka pulled a hammy covering a base, getting a bunt or even just on a pitch. However, to get injured running the bases is just ridiculous.
MLB spends forever wringing its hands over how to get through to the younger generations, but then falls all over itself kissing the asses of all the "baseball purists" who throw fits when talk rises of the DH.
Young people are not dumb- they can see P have no business hitter and is a waste of game time. At this point, I would even trade the idea of limiting the number of relievers you can use in an inning in exchange for the DH.
Why stop there ? We can have two separate offensive and defensive squads just like football. To make it even more fun, lets allow unlimited substitutions. That way we can have designated runners, unlimited platooning and even bunting specialists.
THIS is the kind of backward thinking that has baseball in a bind.
Once it was almost necessary for the pitchers to bat due to limited squads. Today, whatever rationale existed no longer exists. P batting (except Otani) is a complete waste of time and quite frankly is the most inefficient possible use of a team's most important resource- its pitching.
How many pitchers need to get hurt in situations they should NEVER be in before enough is enough. Just use the DH.
I can GUARANTEE you that if deGrom tears an ACL sliding into a base, Mets fans would go crazy. Same for the Dodgers if something happened to Kershaw on he bases.
Teams go above and beyond to find ways to protect their P- and let NL teams continue to allow their P to be placed in situations to fail- and worse, get hurt in situations that they are not trained for.
Stupidity in MLB knows no bounds- and some people just lap up the nonsense, thinking that they are being clever.
6-0 this season in the minors. ERA just over 2. Averaging just over 1 K per inning. Will be 24 years old in November.
With the success the Yankees have had bringing up young players, I can't wait to see him.
And he is already on the 40 man roster.
This has a ZERO percent chance of happening. He just got to AA last month- and has a significant innings cap.
The short term answer will be Hale. IF the Yanks go internally, Sheffield is the most likely to be called up.
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Aaron Boone said that Masahiro Tanaka will miss weeks, but that it is very possible he returns before the All-Star break.
No big loss, almost a blessing in disguise.
At first I was gonna be like, wtf man.. but I think your right. Nice rest for Masahiro for a couple weeks, get him back fresh and strong , should help him remain fresh in October if he's needed to work hard and fight through that those real tough Innings with that little extra freshness from the few weeks off. A guy that's played professional baseball since Age 18 (220+ innings) could use a nice rest like this , I agree.
To add to that, the team is in great shape, and we can test out some young arms to flash for trade deals or more likely for our future useage.
Get well soon Masahiro , be ready to dominate in October, that's basically all you have to do
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Yankee fans will likely get to see Jonathan Loaisiga get a Major League start.
6-0 this season in the minors. ERA just over 2. Averaging just over 1 K per inning. Will be 24 years old in November.
With the success the Yankees have had bringing up young players, I can't wait to see him.
And he is already on the 40 man roster.
This has a ZERO percent chance of happening. He just got to AA last month- and has a significant innings cap.
The short term answer will be Hale. IF the Yanks go internally, Sheffield is the most likely to be called up.
I wouldnt rule this out, there were some rumors he was an option for the doubleheader start in Baltimore that ultimately wasnt needed. Being already on the 40 man makes him an option. Maybe unlikely, but not a zero percent chance
Sorry, but saying that there in zero chance is absolutely wrong. He had his last start delayed to line up with a possible start on Monday, but the rain out last Sunday made the need to call him up be eliminated with no need for a spot start. And this was confirmed by the AA manager saying he was lined up for a surprise move, but it never materialized. Hes on the 40 man and really not a young prospect. He could get a start and a look soon.
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Yankee fans will likely get to see Jonathan Loaisiga get a Major League start.
6-0 this season in the minors. ERA just over 2. Averaging just over 1 K per inning. Will be 24 years old in November.
With the success the Yankees have had bringing up young players, I can't wait to see him.
And he is already on the 40 man roster.
This has a ZERO percent chance of happening. He just got to AA last month- and has a significant innings cap.
The short term answer will be Hale. IF the Yanks go internally, Sheffield is the most likely to be called up.
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Yankee fans will likely get to see Jonathan Loaisiga get a Major League start.
6-0 this season in the minors. ERA just over 2. Averaging just over 1 K per inning. Will be 24 years old in November.
With the success the Yankees have had bringing up young players, I can't wait to see him.
And he is already on the 40 man roster.
This has a ZERO percent chance of happening. He just got to AA last month- and has a significant innings cap.
The short term answer will be Hale. IF the Yanks go internally, Sheffield is the most likely to be called up.
It's actually very likely to happen for a spot start.
Apparently you've never heard of the MLBPA.
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No DH and only bat 8.
Apparently you've never heard of the MLBPA.
That's how I'm looking at it. He was going to miss some time this season, I figured, so might as well be now.
Who exactly does watching a pitcher attempt to hit appeal to, though? 90 year old men?
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rich in DC : 4:36 pm : link : reply
Still, this is why I HATE the NL rules. There is no legitimate reason to have the P bat in today's ultra specialized game. MLB needs to force the NL to add the DH.
I would understand if Tanaka pulled a hammy covering a base, getting a bunt or even just on a pitch. However, to get injured running the bases is just ridiculous.
MLB spends forever wringing its hands over how to get through to the younger generations, but then falls all over itself kissing the asses of all the "baseball purists" who throw fits when talk rises of the DH.
Young people are not dumb- they can see P have no business hitter and is a waste of game time. At this point, I would even trade the idea of limiting the number of relievers you can use in an inning in exchange for the DH.
Why stop there ? We can have two separate offensive and defensive squads just like football. To make it even more fun, lets allow unlimited substitutions. That way we can have designated runners, unlimited platooning and even bunting specialists.
What an obnoxious response.
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Yankee fans will likely get to see Jonathan Loaisiga get a Major League start.
6-0 this season in the minors. ERA just over 2. Averaging just over 1 K per inning. Will be 24 years old in November.
With the success the Yankees have had bringing up young players, I can't wait to see him.
And he is already on the 40 man roster.
This has a ZERO percent chance of happening. He just got to AA last month- and has a significant innings cap.
The short term answer will be Hale. IF the Yanks go internally, Sheffield is the most likely to be called up.
I wouldnt rule this out, there were some rumors he was an option for the doubleheader start in Baltimore that ultimately wasnt needed. Being already on the 40 man makes him an option. Maybe unlikely, but not a zero percent chance
Just saw a blurb about the Rosenthal article that said this. A subsequent article on MLB Trade Rumors did note that if the Yanks brought up Sheffield then (and kept him in the bigs), he might reach "Super Two" status.
I think this explains several things.
One- Loaisiga might have been the option to prevent a situation where Sheffield was so good, they couldn't send him down and making him Super Two eligible. Super Two is where players get enough service time in their first season, determined by a "cutoff" date, that they become arbitration eligible if called up before that date.
Two- there have been a LOT of rumors that teams with SP to trade have heavily been scouting AA Trenton, with an eye on Loaisiga in particular. The Yanks have used the tactic before of calling up a SP prospect that they are dangling in trade talk for a spot start to demonstrate that the SP is ML ready.
Three- it is clear from a report by Brian Hoch (did I spell that right?) that the Yanks are expected Tanaka to be out until closer to the All Star break, which is about a month away. With the off day Monday, they might be able to simply skip Tanaka's spot this time, but will likely need between 4-6 starts, depending how quickly the hamstrings heal. It is unlikely that the Yanks employ a spot starter strategy for that long. That means that even if Loaisiga was given a spot start, someone else would have to be called up after him.
Looking ahead, Tanaka's next start would have been June 13- but the off day on June 11, as well as the one they had on June 7 would allow them to skip his turn and push the others forward. However, under that scenario, the Yanks would start Sevy Sunday night, CC on Tuesday, Gray Wednesday German on Thursday, then Sevy Friday.
To prevent CC from going on 4 days Saturday, the Yanks likely need a spot starter then. However, there is an additional complication. The makeup of the two road games with the Nats will be Monday, June 18. Since the first game was through 5 (suspended), that will likely be a bullpen game- but the second game will mean that the Yanks lose their only off day until May 28.
That means the Yanks would need a SP on Saturday, June 16, Thursday, June 21 and Tuesday, June 26, at a minimum. Sheffield is currently set up to start next on the 13th. That makes it hard to line him up without skipping a start. Loaisiga is currently scheduled to start today, Sunday, June 10. He COULD start Saturday's game without changing his schedule much.
Could be Loaisiga- but could the Yanks ask him to make 3 starts in a row? I am not as sure, since he currently is their best trade chip.
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In comment 13987596 YANKEE28 said:
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Yankee fans will likely get to see Jonathan Loaisiga get a Major League start.
6-0 this season in the minors. ERA just over 2. Averaging just over 1 K per inning. Will be 24 years old in November.
With the success the Yankees have had bringing up young players, I can't wait to see him.
And he is already on the 40 man roster.
This has a ZERO percent chance of happening. He just got to AA last month- and has a significant innings cap.
The short term answer will be Hale. IF the Yanks go internally, Sheffield is the most likely to be called up.
I wouldnt rule this out, there were some rumors he was an option for the doubleheader start in Baltimore that ultimately wasnt needed. Being already on the 40 man makes him an option. Maybe unlikely, but not a zero percent chance
Just saw a blurb about the Rosenthal article that said this. A subsequent article on MLB Trade Rumors did note that if the Yanks brought up Sheffield then (and kept him in the bigs), he might reach "Super Two" status.
I think this explains several things.
One- Loaisiga might have been the option to prevent a situation where Sheffield was so good, they couldn't send him down and making him Super Two eligible. Super Two is where players get enough service time in their first season, determined by a "cutoff" date, that they become arbitration eligible if called up before that date.
Two- there have been a LOT of rumors that teams with SP to trade have heavily been scouting AA Trenton, with an eye on Loaisiga in particular. The Yanks have used the tactic before of calling up a SP prospect that they are dangling in trade talk for a spot start to demonstrate that the SP is ML ready.
Three- it is clear from a report by Brian Hoch (did I spell that right?) that the Yanks are expected Tanaka to be out until closer to the All Star break, which is about a month away. With the off day Monday, they might be able to simply skip Tanaka's spot this time, but will likely need between 4-6 starts, depending how quickly the hamstrings heal. It is unlikely that the Yanks employ a spot starter strategy for that long. That means that even if Loaisiga was given a spot start, someone else would have to be called up after him.
Looking ahead, Tanaka's next start would have been June 13- but the off day on June 11, as well as the one they had on June 7 would allow them to skip his turn and push the others forward. However, under that scenario, the Yanks would start Sevy Sunday night, CC on Tuesday, Gray Wednesday German on Thursday, then Sevy Friday.
To prevent CC from going on 4 days Saturday, the Yanks likely need a spot starter then. However, there is an additional complication. The makeup of the two road games with the Nats will be Monday, June 18. Since the first game was through 5 (suspended), that will likely be a bullpen game- but the second game will mean that the Yanks lose their only off day until May 28.
That means the Yanks would need a SP on Saturday, June 16, Thursday, June 21 and Tuesday, June 26, at a minimum. Sheffield is currently set up to start next on the 13th. That makes it hard to line him up without skipping a start. Loaisiga is currently scheduled to start today, Sunday, June 10. He COULD start Saturday's game without changing his schedule much.
Could be Loaisiga- but could the Yanks ask him to make 3 starts in a row? I am not as sure, since he currently is their best trade chip.
Rich, while I know this game (others would prob say otherwise, lol) from the playing stand point, your insight to the machinations of the mlb side of things is truly an incredibly interesting and great perspective that I get from BBI. Keep it up.
PS- your DH in the NL rant/pitch was spot on and I didnt have the same great justification for the NL taking on the DH that you did.
Just a lil BBI handy for ya. ;-)
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Jonathan Loaisiga was pulled at the 49-pitch mark in the 3rd for Trenton today. Michael King was warming in the pen before he was pulled, so it wouldnt appear that it was due to injury. I'm no genius, but it seems that he could be the guy to get first crack in the Yanks rotation
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I can appreciate that some fans prefer the DH but for myself I prefer leaving it alone. It's probably good one league has it and the other doesn't so the game can still appeal to fans that like each style of play.
Who exactly does watching a pitcher attempt to hit appeal to, though? 90 year old men?
Disliking the DH is more than simply wanting to see the pitcher hit. And I think there are man many fans who prefer the more traditional format to the game.
I don't begrudge any fan who prefers the DH but for me it takes away other parts of the game that I prefer be keep part of it. And really having some guy who cant field real well take an extra 4 at bats per game doesn't elevate the excitement all that much IMO and not worth the trade off. But to each his own and that's why I originally said it's probably good that the two leagues offer each choice for fans.
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I can appreciate that some fans prefer the DH but for myself I prefer leaving it alone. It's probably good one league has it and the other doesn't so the game can still appeal to fans that like each style of play.
Who exactly does watching a pitcher attempt to hit appeal to, though? 90 year old men?
Disliking the DH is more than simply wanting to see the pitcher hit. And I think there are man many fans who prefer the more traditional format to the game.
I don't begrudge any fan who prefers the DH but for me it takes away other parts of the game that I prefer be keep part of it. And really having some guy who cant field real well take an extra 4 at bats per game doesn't elevate the excitement all that much IMO and not worth the trade off. But to each his own and that's why I originally said it's probably good that the two leagues offer each choice for fans.
What parts of the game do you prefer to keep that makes watching guys who's main and specialized job it is to pitch, put a bat in their hands and feebly attempt to hit, worth not having guys who are specialized in hitting actually hit?
There's absolutely nothing appealing to me watching pitchers with a bat in their hands but I'm curious what would make keeping that around better than doing away with it. How exactly does it add to the game?
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Looks like Michael King is warming up in the Trenton bullpen. Loaisiga is only at 42 pitches in T3, has only allowed one run on 3 hits with 4 Ks
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And as far as pitchers hitting, it still comes down to one team against the other and if you have a pitcher that can help himself, that then also adds a dimension. He doesn't have to hit better than a dh would but better than the opposing hitter to sometimes have an impact.
IMO the NL, while maybe not with every game played, overall is more consistently about one teams entire roster matched up against anothers. I like it when a pitcher can execute the perfect sacrifice to move a man over and the top of the order guys then drive him in. It's all part of the complete game and the little things that when executed well are enjoyable for me. I think they are, and have always been very much a part of the game and it loses something with the DH. And as I mentioned earlier some guy who can't field real well getting 4 more ab's IMO is not so exciting that it is worth the trade off with what is lost.
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And as far as pitchers hitting, it still comes down to one team against the other and if you have a pitcher that can help himself, that then also adds a dimension. He doesn't have to hit better than a dh would but better than the opposing hitter to sometimes have an impact.
IMO the NL, while maybe not with every game played, overall is more consistently about one teams entire roster matched up against anothers. I like it when a pitcher can execute the perfect sacrifice to move a man over and the top of the order guys then drive him in. It's all part of the complete game and the little things that when executed well are enjoyable for me. I think they are, and have always been very much a part of the game and it loses something with the DH. And as I mentioned earlier some guy who can't field real well getting 4 more ab's IMO is not so exciting that it is worth the trade off with what is lost.
Fair enough and thanks for the reply.
I don't feel the same about most of those points, eg., to me a guy who is only asked to bat and getting 4ab's where he can do some damage and add to the offense is exciting and losing a potential sacrifice bunt by a pitcher isn't losing much.
That's fine though. To each their own and if you're a NL fan and enjoy their game, that's cool by me. I don't ever tell anyone how to spend their money and I'm not about to tell anyone how to enjoy their sports or entertainment.
I would add though, I'd prefer if MLB had one type of game. It seems to me when an AL team plays at a NL park they're at a disadvantage (more than the normal home field advantage) and vice versa.
Every interleague game should use the DH.
NL-only games can stay with the pitcher hitting for the traditionalists.
Who says no to that other than fans of NL teams who want the DH to be employed league-wide?
Every interleague game should use the DH.
NL-only games can stay with the pitcher hitting for the traditionalists.
Who says no to that other than fans of NL teams who want the DH to be employed league-wide?
Makes sense especially since that's exactly what happens in AA and AAA. Why should teams top minor league teams use different rules than their pro team? Doesn't make sense to me.
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Every interleague game should use the DH.
NL-only games can stay with the pitcher hitting for the traditionalists.
Who says no to that other than fans of NL teams who want the DH to be employed league-wide?
Makes sense especially since that's exactly what happens in AA and AAA. Why should teams top minor league teams use different rules than their pro team? Doesn't make sense to me.
I agree. They shouldn't come up to the majors and suddenly have different rules here. The whole point of the minor leagues is to prepare these kids for the show - even if this is a more minor aspect, the rules should be the same when they get up here.
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I think the game loses some of the in game strategy and decision making that IMO adds much more to the game than the 4 ab's the dh gets. I like that a manager has to often weigh the value of pinch hitting for the pitcher if trying to increase the chance of driving in a key run in a close game with how well the pitcher is doing in shutting down the opposing lineup. And as a result of that how a teams bench and pen's performance compared to the opponent comes into play more often and is a more important aspect of the game.
And as far as pitchers hitting, it still comes down to one team against the other and if you have a pitcher that can help himself, that then also adds a dimension. He doesn't have to hit better than a dh would but better than the opposing hitter to sometimes have an impact.
IMO the NL, while maybe not with every game played, overall is more consistently about one teams entire roster matched up against anothers. I like it when a pitcher can execute the perfect sacrifice to move a man over and the top of the order guys then drive him in. It's all part of the complete game and the little things that when executed well are enjoyable for me. I think they are, and have always been very much a part of the game and it loses something with the DH. And as I mentioned earlier some guy who can't field real well getting 4 more ab's IMO is not so exciting that it is worth the trade off with what is lost.
Fair enough and thanks for the reply.
I don't feel the same about most of those points, eg., to me a guy who is only asked to bat and getting 4ab's where he can do some damage and add to the offense is exciting and losing a potential sacrifice bunt by a pitcher isn't losing much.
That's fine though. To each their own and if you're a NL fan and enjoy their game, that's cool by me. I don't ever tell anyone how to spend their money and I'm not about to tell anyone how to enjoy their sports or entertainment.
I would add though, I'd prefer if MLB had one type of game. It seems to me when an AL team plays at a NL park they're at a disadvantage (more than the normal home field advantage) and vice versa.
Yeah basically some fans come at it from a different perspective and just have to agree to disagree. It's really a good thing their are two leagues that choose each style for that reason.
As far as inter league play, as you mention each visiting team is forced with a disadvantage. Then when factoring in the unequal scheduling within teams of the same league vying against each other for a playoff spot as a result of inter league games they should just eliminate it during the season and go back to meeting in the WS.
But to your point. "to me a guy who is only asked to bat and getting 4ab's where he can do some damage and add to the offense is exciting and losing a potential sacrifice bunt by a pitcher isn't losing much."
It's not simply the bunt but everything that goes with it. Your best nine guys against theirs. So it's should he bunt, or do you ph for him? And if he hits does he bunt or at the last moment pull the bat back and swing away based on how the defense chooses to defend against it? How does the defense choose to defend it in that moment? For me it is about all of it and much of it is the decision making and strategy as well as the execution, or "the bunt". Whether or not to pull a pitcher in a close game that is pitching well in order to increase the odds of driving in a run, and how well the players involved with that decision then perform is an intriguing part of the game of bb for me. That is all lost with a dh.
I would no sooner want to see a DH hit for a pitcher in order to try and get a little more scoring than I would like to see some sort of designated foul shooter for some of these NBA players who can't hit free throws to save their lives just to see more scoring.
I guess that's what makes life interesting. We all like different things.
The AL adopted it in the early 70's and the NL never has. That's really all there is to it, nothing orchestrated or complicated.
I have no problem with people thinking it adds strategy, thats their opinion. But when the strategy is only in place because of an absolutely pathetic alternative, that doesnt make sense to me. To each their own I guess.