Couldn't agree more with these guys. It's pissed me off year after year, the Giants' inability to field an offense that even remotely suited Eli's strengths. Link - ( New Window )
is on a sharp decline, but it wouldn't shock me if he had 2-3 years left. Physically, he hasn't lost much. Mentally, he's still great at reading defenses and knowing where to throw the ball. The issue is that he sort of plays scared at this point in his career, IMO. Can that reverse back to the badass he was when he was younger? Doubtful, but I guess it can.
If that were actually true (the "scared" part), doesn't that feed into the overall thesis of the piece. Being "scared" would be 100% a function of mismanagement in building on offensive line.
I'd say yes and no. He's scared because the OL hasn't been very good and Eli does not like getting hit(what 35-40 year old does??). Part of that is on him though. Despite not wanting to get hit, its a part of the game. You need to be strong in the pocket and willing to take the punishment. I think there is some truth that management wasted Eli's golden years, but because of Eli, the margin for error is very thin. He needed a perfect situation around him.
is on a sharp decline, but it wouldn't shock me if he had 2-3 years left. Physically, he hasn't lost much. Mentally, he's still great at reading defenses and knowing where to throw the ball. The issue is that he sort of plays scared at this point in his career, IMO. Can that reverse back to the badass he was when he was younger? Doubtful, but I guess it can.
I think with our weapons and a better coach, I just think everything is going to go smoother. Eli will still make a lot of throws with his usual WTF throws. I think this is a big year for him mentally. The consensus is he is shell shocked or has happy feet. If he continues to have them, he wont have an excuse. If he plays well, then all the better for us.
Well said. For me, the chances and WTF throws he makes isn't the problem. Thats part of what made him successful. He's a bit of a gun slinger. Its the second part for me, thats my concern.
RE: Maybe O’Hara, Snee, Diehl and McKenzie should have retired... Â
...instead of tying up massive amounts of cap space for 1-2 years after each of them have begun to fall apart.
The story of the 2012-2017 Giants is a lot more complicated than O’Hara has ever acknowledged, and his early decline in 2009-2010 was part of it.
Probably the biggest disaster in all of that was the Giants strategy of trying to ride the '11 title team as far as they could, when it was apparent that the wheels were falling off.
but this camp of people who continuously look for excuses to bail Eli out of any responsibility for the team's erratic play is outrageous and insulting.
It is really Jints Central's fault that they didn't get enough 7'4" receivers to catch Eli's wild passes when he goes off the rails? Is it really Jints Central's fault when Eli makes stupid decisions in the pocket instead of just taking a sack? Is it really Jints Central's fault when Eli goes bi-polar and makes awful reads?
The preferential treatment this guy gets is astonishing.
You know a real franchise QB who has been screwed by his management? Aaron Rodgers. That guy is a Master Chef at making chicken salad out of chicken sh-t. He's productive every year and nearly every game. Incredibly consistent and makes other players better. A bona fide franchise QB.
That the Giants wasted Eli prime. They won two Super Bowls during Eli’s true prime.
A team that wasted a qb is Miami with Marino or Bert Jones with the Colts. Hell then Rodgers had been wasted by the Packers this decade by this silly definition.
Any feelings of pity or remorse for Eli is utter nonsense.
had one of the best OLines in football for many years. Those times where he sat around for 7-8 seconds to throw the ball is something many QBs dream of as well. Not taking anything away from rodgers because he is amazing - but he has had some very, very good OLines and his WR corps have been good as well.
He hasnt been working with nothing like being assumed by the last few posts.
The Giants had a big advantage over the division Â
They never had to jump into the treacherous waters of the search for the franchise QB. Since 2012 Washington has had a flop franchise QB (Griffin), Dallas dealt with major QB injury issues with Romo starting in 2015, and Philly finished 2012-2017 with five different leading passers (Vick, Foles, Sanchez, Bradford, Wentz).
By contrast we never had any QB issues. No injuries, no controversies, no need to spend premium picks at the position. Yet from 2012-2017:
- 42-54 overall record
- 14-22 divisional record
- 0 divisional titles
I agree with Tuck and O'Hara. The management of the team has been poor for years, and if any one of many things had gone differently in 2011 (the Cruz fumble in Arizona, Romo missing Austin, Eli pulling rabbits out of hats all year) we're talking about an 0-2 playoff record in 10 seasons since the Tyree catch.
but this camp of people who continuously look for excuses to bail Eli out of any responsibility for the team's erratic play is outrageous and insulting.
It is really Jints Central's fault that they didn't get enough 7'4" receivers to catch Eli's wild passes when he goes off the rails? Is it really Jints Central's fault when Eli makes stupid decisions in the pocket instead of just taking a sack? Is it really Jints Central's fault when Eli goes bi-polar and makes awful reads?
The preferential treatment this guy gets is astonishing.
You know a real franchise QB who has been screwed by his management? Aaron Rodgers. That guy is a Master Chef at making chicken salad out of chicken sh-t. He's productive every year and nearly every game. Incredibly consistent and makes other players better. A bona fide franchise QB.
This is just terrible in every sense of the word. And you claim yourself to be "rational". Come on, you are better than this.
This is spot on. In fact, the Giants and Eli were a good match and did decently well by each other. Any narrative that paints otherwise is disingenuous.
But this isn't a question of who is the better QB - Rodgers or Eli Â
That answer is obvious, but also remember Eli is no schmo either.
It is absolutely clear Eli is not going to be a game-changer or savior at this stage of his career. He is going to need better players around him for the Offense to be successful. In fact, he probably needs even better players than he is at this point.
And it still may not be enough, but that is the road this regime is taking...at least in 2018.
"I wish someone had wasted our primes like that!" Â
but this camp of people who continuously look for excuses to bail Eli out of any responsibility for the team's erratic play is outrageous and insulting.
It is really Jints Central's fault that they didn't get enough 7'4" receivers to catch Eli's wild passes when he goes off the rails? Is it really Jints Central's fault when Eli makes stupid decisions in the pocket instead of just taking a sack? Is it really Jints Central's fault when Eli goes bi-polar and makes awful reads?
The preferential treatment this guy gets is astonishing.
You know a real franchise QB who has been screwed by his management? Aaron Rodgers. That guy is a Master Chef at making chicken salad out of chicken sh-t. He's productive every year and nearly every game. Incredibly consistent and makes other players better. A bona fide franchise QB.
This is just terrible in every sense of the word. And you claim yourself to be "rational". Come on, you are better than this.
Actually he's not. He has literally no idea what or how the qb position is played
This is spot on. In fact, the Giants and Eli were a good match and did decently well by each other. Any narrative that paints otherwise is disingenuous.
Actually its not spot on. The point both are making is that the last 6 years we wasted an opportunity of having a franchise QB and surrounded him with borderline NFL talented who started. Injuries took a toll on some players. But many players who started between 2013-2017 were either castoffs, end of the road players, or those who couldnt get a job after the year it was over.
That is what it means by wasted. We surrounded Eli, the mainstay of the team, with bad players. Did Eli play a hand in some of the games - sure. But outside OBJ - he was surrounded by many players who would be lucky toget a job - and those players started.
How many times have the Packers made the playoffs but Rodgers Â
But the idea that Giants brass failed him is total crap. Then Rivers has been failed much more by the Chargers, Rodgers by the packers, Brees by the Saints etc because they have won less hardware.
This isn’t even about Eli it’s about the fact this argument applies to tons of players. Just a terrible tone of argument.
But the idea that Giants brass failed him is total crap. Then Rivers has been failed much more by the Chargers, Rodgers by the packers, Brees by the Saints etc because they have won less hardware.
I think your missing the overall point of all this. The Giants brass has failed the Giants the last 6 years, its just that those 6 years was when Eli was in his prime and was the mainstay of his team.
Then tons of teams have failed their star players. As if there is some obligation to win for these players. The obligation is to put the best team forward.
Many teams have failed over the past six seasons in this regard.
Many teams have failed over the past six seasons in this regard.
I agree with this 100%. Thats why you see so much turn over in the league. When I look at this premesis of the thread. I think they are stating since 2012-2013, the Giants have failed to put a quailty team out with a franchise QB. The Giants havent failed Eli in his career, that would be ridiculous. The Giants just have failed to put on a good team the last half of his career.
had one of the best OLines in football for many years. Those times where he sat around for 7-8 seconds to throw the ball is something many QBs dream of as well. Not taking anything away from rodgers because he is amazing - but he has had some very, very good OLines and his WR corps have been good as well.
He hasnt been working with nothing like being assumed by the last few posts.
Remind me of the great running game/running backs Rodgers has had. Name the elite WR he has had that he didn't make? And remind me of the great defenses Rodgers has had since they won the SB in '10? Does he really have a great oline or does it make it look great - especially with his ability to move? How did that great oline do last year with Brett Hundley?
The guy has a PhD in QBing. He is the Packers. Without him the Packers are...well...last year's version.
RE: How many times have the Packers made the playoffs but Rodgers Â
but this camp of people who continuously look for excuses to bail Eli out of any responsibility for the team's erratic play is outrageous and insulting.
It is really Jints Central's fault that they didn't get enough 7'4" receivers to catch Eli's wild passes when he goes off the rails? Is it really Jints Central's fault when Eli makes stupid decisions in the pocket instead of just taking a sack? Is it really Jints Central's fault when Eli goes bi-polar and makes awful reads?
The preferential treatment this guy gets is astonishing.
You know a real franchise QB who has been screwed by his management? Aaron Rodgers. That guy is a Master Chef at making chicken salad out of chicken sh-t. He's productive every year and nearly every game. Incredibly consistent and makes other players better. A bona fide franchise QB.
This is just terrible in every sense of the word. And you claim yourself to be "rational". Come on, you are better than this.
Remind me of the great running game/running backs Rodgers has had. Name the elite WR he has had that he didn't make? And remind me of the great defenses Rodgers has had since they won the SB in '10? Does he really have a great oline or does it make it look great - especially with his ability to move? How did that great oline do last year with Brett Hundley?
The guy has a PhD in QBing. He is the Packers. Without him the Packers are...well...last year's version.
What great Rbs has Eli ever had? Forget the last 6 years. The best RB he had was over a decade ago. And guess what Eddie Lacy would be the 2nd best RB Eli ever played with.
As far as the OL playing with a guy like Brett Hundley.... Brett Hundley sucks balls. He sucks so bad that the Packers traded for Kizer in the offseason.
would Giant fans prefer playoffs every year like Green Bay
and only one ring ?
or the two magical years with super bowl victories and in other years not making playoffs ?
It doesn't have to be one or the other. While the two Super Bowls are precious and you'd never give them back, it's important to note that neither of those was a great team. Rather, they were flawed teams that got hot at the right time. If you were looking for a model on how to build a successful team, you wouldn't look at either of those as prime examples.
Except for a few things. I happen to believe Eli’s prime was 2007 playoff run -12. So no prime wasted. Eli is a middle pack qB since then on a bad team (my opinion of course). So I don’t get this sentiment.
If anything the Giants are wasting a generational talent in Odell which I see expressed much less than the premise of the article.
If anything the Giants are wasting a generational talent in Odell which I see expressed much less than the premise of the article.
This would probably be more accurate since OBJ has been the best player on the team since 2014. However since they asked two of Eli's old teammates - the question was centered around him. I think a lot of his old teammates are still VERY loyal to him - as we saw during his benching last year.
Eli marshalled two teams to championships by playing out of his mind in the playoffs. And given that they won those championships, you could easily say that both of those teams underachieved in the regular season (with Eli at the helm throughout).
In four other years in which he had teams good enough to make the playoffs, he was 0-4.
I get the love for Eli and I love him too, but the amount of people who can't look at him objectively and see that other than those two runs, he's been as average as he is durable is a prime example of seeing the world through rose-colored glasses.
The 2008 Giants should have had a deep playoff run Â
would Giant fans prefer playoffs every year like Green Bay
and only one ring ?
or the two magical years with super bowl victories and in other years not making playoffs ?
That is a good question. You can essentially bank on the Packers having a chance to win the SB largely because of Rodgers. It's like a warm blanket. And you can't win it unless you are in it.
The Giants? Nearly no one saw these two SBs coming, and it took some real serendipity to pull them out. But that's their identity - Eli has been inconsistent from game to game, year to year; and Jints Central is a stodgy, old organization that still uses rotary phones.
would Giant fans prefer playoffs every year like Green Bay
and only one ring ?
or the two magical years with super bowl victories and in other years not making playoffs ?
It doesn't have to be one or the other. While the two Super Bowls are precious and you'd never give them back, it's important to note that neither of those was a great team. Rather, they were flawed teams that got hot at the right time. If you were looking for a model on how to build a successful team, you wouldn't look at either of those as prime examples.
Further, the best team of the era was the 2008 team that ran out of gas versus the ******.
He gives you everything he has and says and does all the right things by the team.
Assessing him though can be confoundingly difficult. He's maddeningly inconsistent. From game to game, or quarter to quarter. You have two of the greatest SB runs in the history of the game. On the other side you have things like zero playoff wins outside of those two years and leading the league in INTs 3x. Even in those SB years, you have disasters of games during the season, but perfection during the runs. You have an excessive number of extremely ugly prime time performances. But you also have times like in 2015 where he carried the team. Or countless dramatic 4th quarter comeback wins. He's shown brilliance and poise, but also moments of skittish and ineptitude. But he's also been an ironman of health in contrast to a team around him that for years stood among the most injured in the league. He lacks mobility but avoids sacks through quick decisions and the ball coming out quickly. He's a leader by example not a vocal one who pumps up the troops for a big game.
We can go on and on. What I will say is this. Before Eli, there were many years where I knew the team did not have a shot. We were bad and there was little hope of being any more than mediocre. Since Eli's rookie year, I can't say that has ever truly been the case. Yes, there have been years where I didn't think they would be good, but there was always hope. Many of their best seasons, in fact, came without expectations --similarly, many of their worse seasons came when expectations were high. When a guy has won two SBs like he has, in as unlikely a manner, there is always hope for your team. Even now, at the end of his career, coming off a 3 win season, you would have to be a fool to count them/him out. Despite the ups and downs, as a player, that's what I think I'll remember about him most.
However the Giants made a crucial error signing Plaxico Burress to an extension instead of trying to trade him. They'd looked the other way on 3 years of his bullshit (remember Steve Smith's quotes on him), and eventually it blew up in their faces.
The two runs were arguably the best of any SB, but the Giants blew it from a dynasty perspective. The ‘08 and ‘10 teams were good enough to win it all. Then there’s other factors like Coughlin’s usual second half collapse, injuries in 05/06, the Sheridan debacle in 09, and then Reese’s shitty drafts around 11.
Why this always seems to be adjective used as it pertains to ‘07 and ‘11 I’ll never understand. aside from the occasional wall to wall dominant team, this parity, that has effectively existed since Plan B ended, lends itself to many Wild card entrants winning it all or making a lot of noise. So, most endings in this watered down league oft times results in magical runs, imv
Why this always seems to be adjective used as it pertains to ‘07 and ‘11 I’ll never understand. aside from the occasional wall to wall dominant team, this parity, that has effectively existed since Plan B ended, lends itself to many Wild card entrants winning it all or making a lot of noise. So, most endings in this watered down league oft times results in magical runs, imv
It's used for those two Giants teams because it's the truth. 10-6 & 9-7. The 2011 team was actually outscored during the regular season.
Eli basically stood on his head in 2011. Cruz and Nicks and JPP Â
The story of the 2012-2017 Giants is a lot more complicated than O’Hara has ever acknowledged, and his early decline in 2009-2010 was part of it.
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is on a sharp decline, but it wouldn't shock me if he had 2-3 years left. Physically, he hasn't lost much. Mentally, he's still great at reading defenses and knowing where to throw the ball. The issue is that he sort of plays scared at this point in his career, IMO. Can that reverse back to the badass he was when he was younger? Doubtful, but I guess it can.
If that were actually true (the "scared" part), doesn't that feed into the overall thesis of the piece. Being "scared" would be 100% a function of mismanagement in building on offensive line.
I'd say yes and no. He's scared because the OL hasn't been very good and Eli does not like getting hit(what 35-40 year old does??). Part of that is on him though. Despite not wanting to get hit, its a part of the game. You need to be strong in the pocket and willing to take the punishment. I think there is some truth that management wasted Eli's golden years, but because of Eli, the margin for error is very thin. He needed a perfect situation around him.
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is on a sharp decline, but it wouldn't shock me if he had 2-3 years left. Physically, he hasn't lost much. Mentally, he's still great at reading defenses and knowing where to throw the ball. The issue is that he sort of plays scared at this point in his career, IMO. Can that reverse back to the badass he was when he was younger? Doubtful, but I guess it can.
I think with our weapons and a better coach, I just think everything is going to go smoother. Eli will still make a lot of throws with his usual WTF throws. I think this is a big year for him mentally. The consensus is he is shell shocked or has happy feet. If he continues to have them, he wont have an excuse. If he plays well, then all the better for us.
Well said. For me, the chances and WTF throws he makes isn't the problem. Thats part of what made him successful. He's a bit of a gun slinger. Its the second part for me, thats my concern.
The story of the 2012-2017 Giants is a lot more complicated than O’Hara has ever acknowledged, and his early decline in 2009-2010 was part of it.
Probably the biggest disaster in all of that was the Giants strategy of trying to ride the '11 title team as far as they could, when it was apparent that the wheels were falling off.
This season should be really fun to watch though, barring injury (which unfortunately for us, is more of a common occurence)
This offense can be really fun. I think Eli is going to be better than a lot of people think.
An asshole says what...??
It is really Jints Central's fault that they didn't get enough 7'4" receivers to catch Eli's wild passes when he goes off the rails? Is it really Jints Central's fault when Eli makes stupid decisions in the pocket instead of just taking a sack? Is it really Jints Central's fault when Eli goes bi-polar and makes awful reads?
The preferential treatment this guy gets is astonishing.
You know a real franchise QB who has been screwed by his management? Aaron Rodgers. That guy is a Master Chef at making chicken salad out of chicken sh-t. He's productive every year and nearly every game. Incredibly consistent and makes other players better. A bona fide franchise QB.
A team that wasted a qb is Miami with Marino or Bert Jones with the Colts. Hell then Rodgers had been wasted by the Packers this decade by this silly definition.
Any feelings of pity or remorse for Eli is utter nonsense.
He hasnt been working with nothing like being assumed by the last few posts.
By contrast we never had any QB issues. No injuries, no controversies, no need to spend premium picks at the position. Yet from 2012-2017:
- 42-54 overall record
- 14-22 divisional record
- 0 divisional titles
I agree with Tuck and O'Hara. The management of the team has been poor for years, and if any one of many things had gone differently in 2011 (the Cruz fumble in Arizona, Romo missing Austin, Eli pulling rabbits out of hats all year) we're talking about an 0-2 playoff record in 10 seasons since the Tyree catch.
Eli's record versus his draft contemporaries:
Eli: 111-103
Roethlisberger: 135-63
Rivers: 106-86
I don't think either of those guys is appreciably better than Eli, if at all. So then why is Roethlisberger +72, Rivers +20, and Eli +8?
It is really Jints Central's fault that they didn't get enough 7'4" receivers to catch Eli's wild passes when he goes off the rails? Is it really Jints Central's fault when Eli makes stupid decisions in the pocket instead of just taking a sack? Is it really Jints Central's fault when Eli goes bi-polar and makes awful reads?
The preferential treatment this guy gets is astonishing.
You know a real franchise QB who has been screwed by his management? Aaron Rodgers. That guy is a Master Chef at making chicken salad out of chicken sh-t. He's productive every year and nearly every game. Incredibly consistent and makes other players better. A bona fide franchise QB.
This is just terrible in every sense of the word. And you claim yourself to be "rational". Come on, you are better than this.
It is absolutely clear Eli is not going to be a game-changer or savior at this stage of his career. He is going to need better players around him for the Offense to be successful. In fact, he probably needs even better players than he is at this point.
And it still may not be enough, but that is the road this regime is taking...at least in 2018.
- Joint statement issued by Dan Marino and Jim Kelly
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but this camp of people who continuously look for excuses to bail Eli out of any responsibility for the team's erratic play is outrageous and insulting.
It is really Jints Central's fault that they didn't get enough 7'4" receivers to catch Eli's wild passes when he goes off the rails? Is it really Jints Central's fault when Eli makes stupid decisions in the pocket instead of just taking a sack? Is it really Jints Central's fault when Eli goes bi-polar and makes awful reads?
The preferential treatment this guy gets is astonishing.
You know a real franchise QB who has been screwed by his management? Aaron Rodgers. That guy is a Master Chef at making chicken salad out of chicken sh-t. He's productive every year and nearly every game. Incredibly consistent and makes other players better. A bona fide franchise QB.
This is just terrible in every sense of the word. And you claim yourself to be "rational". Come on, you are better than this.
Actually he's not. He has literally no idea what or how the qb position is played
2013 - 10th
2014 - 4th
2015 - 7th
2016 - 5th
2017 - 13th
Aint to shabby....
Actually its not spot on. The point both are making is that the last 6 years we wasted an opportunity of having a franchise QB and surrounded him with borderline NFL talented who started. Injuries took a toll on some players. But many players who started between 2013-2017 were either castoffs, end of the road players, or those who couldnt get a job after the year it was over.
That is what it means by wasted. We surrounded Eli, the mainstay of the team, with bad players. Did Eli play a hand in some of the games - sure. But outside OBJ - he was surrounded by many players who would be lucky toget a job - and those players started.
This isn’t even about Eli it’s about the fact this argument applies to tons of players. Just a terrible tone of argument.
I think your missing the overall point of all this. The Giants brass has failed the Giants the last 6 years, its just that those 6 years was when Eli was in his prime and was the mainstay of his team.
He's a guy who still looks at Giants ownership as if it is the 70's.
He consistently uses the term "Jints Central" derisively as if 4 SB's came by sheer luck.
He has disliked Eli since draft day. And admittingly still holds draft day against him, even though he was an integral part of two titles.
I think his biggest problem is that Eli won them for the Giants instead of the Redskins.....
Many teams have failed over the past six seasons in this regard.
Many teams have failed over the past six seasons in this regard.
I agree with this 100%. Thats why you see so much turn over in the league. When I look at this premesis of the thread. I think they are stating since 2012-2013, the Giants have failed to put a quailty team out with a franchise QB. The Giants havent failed Eli in his career, that would be ridiculous. The Giants just have failed to put on a good team the last half of his career.
He hasnt been working with nothing like being assumed by the last few posts.
Remind me of the great running game/running backs Rodgers has had. Name the elite WR he has had that he didn't make? And remind me of the great defenses Rodgers has had since they won the SB in '10? Does he really have a great oline or does it make it look great - especially with his ability to move? How did that great oline do last year with Brett Hundley?
The guy has a PhD in QBing. He is the Packers. Without him the Packers are...well...last year's version.
Let me help you here. The Packers get to the playoffs because of Rodgers, not because of Ted Thompson.
and only one ring ?
or the two magical years with super bowl victories and in other years not making playoffs ?
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but this camp of people who continuously look for excuses to bail Eli out of any responsibility for the team's erratic play is outrageous and insulting.
It is really Jints Central's fault that they didn't get enough 7'4" receivers to catch Eli's wild passes when he goes off the rails? Is it really Jints Central's fault when Eli makes stupid decisions in the pocket instead of just taking a sack? Is it really Jints Central's fault when Eli goes bi-polar and makes awful reads?
The preferential treatment this guy gets is astonishing.
You know a real franchise QB who has been screwed by his management? Aaron Rodgers. That guy is a Master Chef at making chicken salad out of chicken sh-t. He's productive every year and nearly every game. Incredibly consistent and makes other players better. A bona fide franchise QB.
This is just terrible in every sense of the word. And you claim yourself to be "rational". Come on, you are better than this.
Which accurate part?
Remind me of the great running game/running backs Rodgers has had. Name the elite WR he has had that he didn't make? And remind me of the great defenses Rodgers has had since they won the SB in '10? Does he really have a great oline or does it make it look great - especially with his ability to move? How did that great oline do last year with Brett Hundley?
The guy has a PhD in QBing. He is the Packers. Without him the Packers are...well...last year's version.
What great Rbs has Eli ever had? Forget the last 6 years. The best RB he had was over a decade ago. And guess what Eddie Lacy would be the 2nd best RB Eli ever played with.
Wide Recievers? Greg Jennings, Jordy Nelson, Davante Adams, Randall Cobb? Yeah - bums.
As far as the OL playing with a guy like Brett Hundley.... Brett Hundley sucks balls. He sucks so bad that the Packers traded for Kizer in the offseason.
and only one ring ?
or the two magical years with super bowl victories and in other years not making playoffs ?
It doesn't have to be one or the other. While the two Super Bowls are precious and you'd never give them back, it's important to note that neither of those was a great team. Rather, they were flawed teams that got hot at the right time. If you were looking for a model on how to build a successful team, you wouldn't look at either of those as prime examples.
If anything the Giants are wasting a generational talent in Odell which I see expressed much less than the premise of the article.
If anything the Giants are wasting a generational talent in Odell which I see expressed much less than the premise of the article.
This would probably be more accurate since OBJ has been the best player on the team since 2014. However since they asked two of Eli's old teammates - the question was centered around him. I think a lot of his old teammates are still VERY loyal to him - as we saw during his benching last year.
Eli marshalled two teams to championships by playing out of his mind in the playoffs. And given that they won those championships, you could easily say that both of those teams underachieved in the regular season (with Eli at the helm throughout).
In four other years in which he had teams good enough to make the playoffs, he was 0-4.
I get the love for Eli and I love him too, but the amount of people who can't look at him objectively and see that other than those two runs, he's been as average as he is durable is a prime example of seeing the world through rose-colored glasses.
and only one ring ?
or the two magical years with super bowl victories and in other years not making playoffs ?
That is a good question. You can essentially bank on the Packers having a chance to win the SB largely because of Rodgers. It's like a warm blanket. And you can't win it unless you are in it.
The Giants? Nearly no one saw these two SBs coming, and it took some real serendipity to pull them out. But that's their identity - Eli has been inconsistent from game to game, year to year; and Jints Central is a stodgy, old organization that still uses rotary phones.
And incorrectly, but whatever.
Guy just can't help himself.
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would Giant fans prefer playoffs every year like Green Bay
and only one ring ?
or the two magical years with super bowl victories and in other years not making playoffs ?
It doesn't have to be one or the other. While the two Super Bowls are precious and you'd never give them back, it's important to note that neither of those was a great team. Rather, they were flawed teams that got hot at the right time. If you were looking for a model on how to build a successful team, you wouldn't look at either of those as prime examples.
Further, the best team of the era was the 2008 team that ran out of gas versus the ******.
No one is saying the Giants shouldve won more Super Bowls than 2, but to have Eli Manning in his prime and miss the playoffs 6 out of 7 years?
And to those calling BS on O’Hara & Tuck: what about the McAdoo hire? How was that in any way good for Eli?
and only one ring ?
or the two magical years with super bowl victories and in other years not making playoffs ?
Please don't state that was the "plan" in the years we won it and the ones we didnt'...
Magical is the right term...
Assessing him though can be confoundingly difficult. He's maddeningly inconsistent. From game to game, or quarter to quarter. You have two of the greatest SB runs in the history of the game. On the other side you have things like zero playoff wins outside of those two years and leading the league in INTs 3x. Even in those SB years, you have disasters of games during the season, but perfection during the runs. You have an excessive number of extremely ugly prime time performances. But you also have times like in 2015 where he carried the team. Or countless dramatic 4th quarter comeback wins. He's shown brilliance and poise, but also moments of skittish and ineptitude. But he's also been an ironman of health in contrast to a team around him that for years stood among the most injured in the league. He lacks mobility but avoids sacks through quick decisions and the ball coming out quickly. He's a leader by example not a vocal one who pumps up the troops for a big game.
We can go on and on. What I will say is this. Before Eli, there were many years where I knew the team did not have a shot. We were bad and there was little hope of being any more than mediocre. Since Eli's rookie year, I can't say that has ever truly been the case. Yes, there have been years where I didn't think they would be good, but there was always hope. Many of their best seasons, in fact, came without expectations --similarly, many of their worse seasons came when expectations were high. When a guy has won two SBs like he has, in as unlikely a manner, there is always hope for your team. Even now, at the end of his career, coming off a 3 win season, you would have to be a fool to count them/him out. Despite the ups and downs, as a player, that's what I think I'll remember about him most.
It's used for those two Giants teams because it's the truth. 10-6 & 9-7. The 2011 team was actually outscored during the regular season.