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NFT: Westworld Season 2 Ep 8

Tony in Tampa : 6/11/2018 7:25 am
I liked it. My guess is that it may not end up being too popular with a lot of the fans since it did not really advance the main story nor did it focus on the primary characters but I enjoyed the seeing the park from the perspective of Akecheta, a Ghost Nation warrior.

We see that he had been awoken dating back 30 years to when Deloris killed Arnold. He has also been using the symbol of the maze to awaken others. This explains the sense that Ghost Nation seemed to know what was going. It explains why in S1 the young girl in the parade of a tribe through Sweetwater was carrying the doll that looked like the workers in the Mesa. It may also explain why the warrior, being awoken did not “freeze all motor functions” when Stubbs commanded him to.

I thought the sense of pain that was shown by the GN people for being separated from their families and having members of their tribe replaced over the years by new host characters had a strong emotional impact. Unlike Deloris and Teddy, these host could remember over past loops before Ford's reveries and were fighting to escape and recover loved ones for possibly decades. I found a much more emotional connection to GN’s story in the park than the much hyped samurais of Shogun World.

At the end we find out that Maeve ability to control other hosts was her use of admin commands across the networks that the host use to share information. So the conversations that Akecheta was having seemingly to Maeve’s daughter as he told his story throughout the episode was really a conversation that he was having with Maeve over this network. He was reassuring her that her would take care of her daughter even if Maeve did not survive.

Still not sure how MiB could have survived the gunshots and crawled to safety unless he is a host. Lee Sizemore has become very protective and bound to Maeve as she is in the hands of Delos.

MIA: Where is Hector, Armistice and the samurai warrior that came up from the undergroud portal of the Delos outpost with Maeve?
It was a great episode  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 6/11/2018 8:58 am : link
and it was pretty linear, which made it easy to follow.

I wonder what "The door" is?

We know from the movies there is Tomorrow Land. Maybe that's the new world down there.

It possible that its just a machine down there terra forming.
Beautifully shot and acted.  
mako J : 6/11/2018 8:58 am : link
Loved the score(Heart shaped box was chilling).

Who cares how much it advanced the story. The same people bitching about that were likely bitching about the cradle scenes last week. I don't want to get to the ending yet.

Fantastic tv.
here is a long cat graphic  
ron mexico : 6/11/2018 9:03 am : link
of the timeline through this episode I found helpful
Link - ( New Window )
RE: here is a long cat graphic  
Tony in Tampa : 6/11/2018 9:15 am : link
In comment 13988400 ron mexico said:
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of the timeline through this episode I found helpful Link - ( New Window )

Thanks, these are very helpful
Episodes like these  
Tony in Tampa : 6/11/2018 9:31 am : link
that are off the main story address one of the things that the WW writers have been criticized: a lack of character development. Taking an character-here Akecheta, that we have seen before as just a Ghost Nation warrior and developing his back story, his motivations, pain and humanity. How he was changed from a simple man at peace and in love with a woman to a brutal killer just to make a more appetizing narrative, is something the writers do not do enough of.

It also transforms the picture we have seen of the entire Ghost Nation narrative. Not just stereotypical, blood thirsty Indian raiding parties.
The actor who played Akecheta  
Southern Man : 6/11/2018 9:44 am : link
did a great job. He was also great as Hanzee in Fargo.
RE: Episodes like these  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 6/11/2018 9:53 am : link
In comment 13988439 Tony in Tampa said:
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that are off the main story address one of the things that the WW writers have been criticized: a lack of character development. Taking an character-here Akecheta, that we have seen before as just a Ghost Nation warrior and developing his back story, his motivations, pain and humanity. How he was changed from a simple man at peace and in love with a woman to a brutal killer just to make a more appetizing narrative, is something the writers do not do enough of.

It also transforms the picture we have seen of the entire Ghost Nation narrative. Not just stereotypical, blood thirsty Indian raiding parties.


They should do more episodes like this, kind of, ala Lost..
Surprised Akecheta  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 6/11/2018 10:01 am : link
did not recognize Logan from this memories from this scene:



Not only was it one of my all-time favorite epsiodes of Westworld  
Giantology : 6/11/2018 10:07 am : link
It was one of my favorite episodes of any TV show I've seen. The writing, acting, cinematography, music, everything- it was truly "full of splendor"
RE: It was a great episode  
Giantology : 6/11/2018 10:09 am : link
In comment 13988385 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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and it was pretty linear, which made it easy to follow.

I wonder what "The door" is?

We know from the movies there is Tomorrow Land. Maybe that's the new world down there.

It possible that its just a machine down there terra forming.


I think it's the door to the backups/servers for the human guests. It was the same spot young William showed Dolores in another flashback earlier in the season.
Really well done.  
Big Blue Blogger : 6/11/2018 10:18 am : link
The episode cleverly used some stereotypes to set expectations, then flip them. The tone was set by the Whiskey bottle he finds after the massacre. Oh no, he discovers firewater and it’s all downhill for the tribe from there, right? Nope. The bottle is a red herring. He finds the maze, which changes everything.
Was his wife pulled  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 6/11/2018 10:23 am : link
because she ventured out that far with him, or was she pulled for other reasons? Why were the Indian kids being replaced as well?

And what the hell was Ford doing out there scalping them? Did they tattoo them under their scull or was it Ford? I'm a tad confused here.
RE: Not only was it one of my all-time favorite epsiodes of Westworld  
Bchurch : 6/11/2018 11:01 am : link
In comment 13988498 Giantology said:
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It was one of my favorite episodes of any TV show I've seen. The writing, acting, cinematography, music, everything- it was truly "full of splendor"


That's the how I felt... that episode was a masterpiece. Great use of "Heart Shaped Box".
I'll be the odd man out  
Greg from LI : 6/11/2018 11:05 am : link
It was slow as molasses, didn't really tell us much of anything, and had several scenes that required enormous suspensions of disbelief. Akecheta could simply wander around inside Westworld HQ without anyone noticing? When Arnold set in motion his plan to destroy Westworld, he just forgot about the Indian tribe? No one noticed that a host was simply wandering around on his own, out of his loop, for years?
RE: I'll be the odd man out  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 6/11/2018 11:11 am : link
In comment 13988571 Greg from LI said:
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It was slow as molasses, didn't really tell us much of anything, and had several scenes that required enormous suspensions of disbelief. Akecheta could simply wander around inside Westworld HQ without anyone noticing? When Arnold set in motion his plan to destroy Westworld, he just forgot about the Indian tribe? No one noticed that a host was simply wandering around on his own, out of his loop, for years?


They explained Akecheta. Ford basically says that he allowed him to roam about the park for the better part of 10 years. He was probably one of the hosts that Ford hid from everyone else.
RE: I'll be the odd man out  
ron mexico : 6/11/2018 11:13 am : link
In comment 13988571 Greg from LI said:
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It was slow as molasses, didn't really tell us much of anything, and had several scenes that required enormous suspensions of disbelief. Akecheta could simply wander around inside Westworld HQ without anyone noticing? When Arnold set in motion his plan to destroy Westworld, he just forgot about the Indian tribe? No one noticed that a host was simply wandering around on his own, out of his loop, for years?


he had help on the inside, remember the one tech once seeing his info demanded he get updated and sent back out asap.

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