NFT: Mets Minors 6/11/2018- Dunn impressive AA debut

I heard Dunn�s stuff was down, is that true? Also, why is it that other organizations are willing to call up elite hitting prospects at positions of need and the Mets won�t consider Alonso all year? Sure he�s been cold recently but still had an OPS north of .1000, it�s stupid not to consider adding him I�m a month or so, especially if Dom shits the bed.

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I heard Dunn�s stuff was down, is that true? Also, why is it that other organizations are willing to call up elite hitting prospects at positions of need and the Mets won�t consider Alonso all year? Sure he�s been cold recently but still had an OPS north of .1000, it�s stupid not to consider adding him I�m a month or so, especially if Dom shits the bed.

Seidler said Dunn's stuff was unimpressive and cited a poor Trenton lineup

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And let the underperforming over the hill guys go

Thoughts on Alonso? Do you think McNeil gets the call if asdrubal is hurt?

In vegas?

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Thoughts on Alonso? Do you think McNeil gets the call if asdrubal is hurt?

Alonso is going to mash. I like him more than Dom but I have no idea how the Mets operate. They are probably concerned with service time in a lost season. They always half ass things. If it's a lost season so no Alonso... then shop any veterans you have. McNeil should be up now. Bottom line. Ty Kelly and Reyes over McNeil is a farce.

done in 2018 to merit a promotion? I wish we had a GM who actually practiced accountability.

If Cabrera is on the DL, the logical thing would be to promote McNeil and Alonso and see where it goes. The team is already way below .500 and has a worse record than the Padres. Could always send Alonso or McNeil back to the minors if it doesn't work out. It's not like they have any else worthy of MLB ABs at this moment thanks to Sandy's inability to add any sort of depth to this organization.

Dick response from Pobereyko to Seidler. It wasn't some personal attack on Dunn. Seidler's job it to report and analyze what he sees. If you want to question his opinion, go for it. But what does Seidler not being an ex-player have to do with anything?

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Interesting.... how was your AA debut?

David Peterson threw his gem on Saturday for the 'Flies. He tossed 8 innings with 10 K's and 1 earned run -- ERA down to 1.82 at this point. Probably his last start with Columbia, he's going to the Sally League All Star game next week (along with Joe Cavallaro, catcher Scott Manea, and 1B Jeremy Vasquez). Promotions to STL likely to follow.

There's pitching at this level, but the hitting is a carbon copy of the big league Mets.....which is to say damn near non-existent.

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David Peterson threw his gem on Saturday for the 'Flies. He tossed 8 innings with 10 K's and 1 earned run -- ERA down to 1.82 at this point. Probably his last start with Columbia, he's going to the Sally League All Star game next week (along with Joe Cavallaro, catcher Scott Manea, and 1B Jeremy Vasquez). Promotions to STL likely to follow. There's pitching at this level, but the hitting is a carbon copy of the big league Mets.....which is to say damn near non-existent.

Peterson has been promoted. Cavallaro, Kay, Cobb all should be too. Manea has been awful lately.

hopefully just a short mini slump.

Glad this has been a good year for Dunn/Peterson. Still not exactly sure what to expect from either because pitchers development is so unpredictable, Fulmer went from an injury prone meh prospect to stud in half of 1 season, but good numbers are good.

Excited to follow those 2, plus Gimenez/Alonso, plus Kelenic (maybe Vientos/Mauricio too) over the rest of the year. That seems like a pretty legit top 7.

to be clear, I wasn't at the game. I wasn't ripping Dunn either. Just turns me off to see a player question a guy reporting something because he didn't play professional ball. Seidler is a respected prospect writer. He can't have an opinion? Question his opinion, not him.

still in Columbia is pretty absurd. If he's there post 6/19 I'm going to really bitch about it.

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Some observations,

Molina was the starter, gave up a few solo HRs and an assortment of hits. However, he did a pretty good job of pitching out of bases loaded jams in a couple innings. He�s got a weird release, looks like he shortarms the ball upon releasing it.

McNeil and Alonso are hitters, though by different means. To me, McNeil has a bit of a herky-jerky swing, but he hits. Alonso looks much smoother with the bat, and had a big 2 run single before the bullpen blew it later. In the field, Alonso didn�t really do anything - good or bad - to catch my eye.

This was Cespedes� first rehab game and he got two ABs. Made contact, jogged down the line.

Tebow - he was easily the most popular player on both sides - more so than Yoenis. He pulled a double down the line and definitely hustles, and his swing looks good sometimes, and others looks loopy and slow. I have nothing against him but don�t think he�s much of a prospect. Though I can see the Mets calling him up late in the year for publicity and to fill seats.

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Some observations, Molina was the starter, gave up a few solo HRs and an assortment of hits. However, he did a pretty good job of pitching out of bases loaded jams in a couple innings. He�s got a weird release, looks like he shortarms the ball upon releasing it. McNeil and Alonso are hitters, though by different means. To me, McNeil has a bit of a herky-jerky swing, but he hits. Alonso looks much smoother with the bat, and had a big 2 run single before the bullpen blew it later. In the field, Alonso didn�t really do anything - good or bad - to catch my eye. This was Cespedes� first rehab game and he got two ABs. Made contact, jogged down the line. Tebow - he was easily the most popular player on both sides - more so than Yoenis. He pulled a double down the line and definitely hustles, and his swing looks good sometimes, and others looks loopy and slow. I have nothing against him but don�t think he�s much of a prospect. Though I can see the Mets calling him up late in the year for publicity and to fill seats.

Molina was long seen as a reliever even before he got hurt. The injury zapped him of 3-4 miles off his FB and that's a game changer for him. He may see Queens one day but he's not much of a prospect anymore. McNeil is a former golfer so his swing is based on his golf swing. He's also bulked up considerably through the years. Alonso's swing is textbook and simple. He's 1000% not Mike Piazza but Piazza had a similar simple set up. Credit to Tebow for being this good this late in his "career" but he's not a legit big league prospect. prob see queens to sell tickets.

For the follow up. I definitely don�t follow the minors as closely as some of you guys here, so wasn�t sure of the history of some of these guys, i.e. Molina, McNeil. Alonso was definitely an impressive hitter. He�s one of those guys where you can just see that he has it.

Everyone knew that Tebow would never be even a serviceable 4th OF in MLB. With that said, what he has done so far has been remarkable. I didn't expect him to be even a league average Low A player but he has exceeded expectations and proving what a phenomenal athlete he is. I wish that he would have given H-back or FB a try in the NFL because I think he could have been a solid player there.

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In comment 13988434 Named Later said: Quote: David Peterson threw his gem on Saturday for the 'Flies. He tossed 8 innings with 10 K's and 1 earned run -- ERA down to 1.82 at this point. Probably his last start with Columbia, he's going to the Sally League All Star game next week (along with Joe Cavallaro, catcher Scott Manea, and 1B Jeremy Vasquez). Promotions to STL likely to follow. There's pitching at this level, but the hitting is a carbon copy of the big league Mets.....which is to say damn near non-existent. Peterson has been promoted. Cavallaro, Kay, Cobb all should be too. Manea has been awful lately.

Didn't know Peterson just got promoted to STL....good on him. Last week, Cavallaro tossed 7 strong, giving up 4 hits and striking out 9.....he's gotta get kicked up soon too.

The apparently like Manea's catching skills. He's gunned down a high percentage of base stealers.

What do you think McNeil can be? I have a feeling he could have some Daniel Murphy in him. His numbers in AA are not a fluke. He also was robbed of two full seasons and had performed well before that, so I think he had some legit talent.

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What do you think McNeil can be? I have a feeling he could have some Daniel Murphy in him. His numbers in AA are not a fluke. He also was robbed of two full seasons and had performed well before that, so I think he had some legit talent.

Really tough call on McNeil (to me more than most prospects in recent memory) due in large part to what I stated above. He was late to a baseball focus, he's oft injured, and he's never hit like this previously. He's also put on roughly 25 pounds since being drafted so the power (while surprising) could potentially be legit. I think his upside is MLB starter at 2b. I think he's a better prospect than any other 2b in the system.

Planck's shoulder surgery was for an anterior capsule. That's really bad news. Often career ending. Not expecting much from him. Essentially ended Johan's career.

still not particularly high on Gimenez. Interesting.

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still in Columbia is pretty absurd. If he's there post 6/19 I'm going to really bitch about it.

Lol. It�s not like you Dan, to be fascinated with anybody like him. Curios, why you follow him?

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In comment 13988477 DanMetroMan said: Quote: still in Columbia is pretty absurd. If he's there post 6/19 I'm going to really bitch about it. Lol. It�s not like you Dan, to be fascinated with anybody like him. Curios, why you follow him?

Honestly? Because Ernest Dove was saying he's heard the Mets aren't pushing promotions due to lack of arms. That's a really bad reason not to pusha guy having a dominant season regardless of stuff.

It is really stupid to say it was becaus of a poor lineup,

The difference between a good and bad lineup is .240 and .270, , which means three percent of the time guys in the good lineup will get a hit over the bad lineup.

Seidler doesn't think Tebow is far off from profiling as a reserve OF (does note his defense is absolutely awful which will hold him back)

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It is really stupid to say it was becaus of a poor lineup, The difference between a good and bad lineup is .240 and .270, , which means three percent of the time guys in the good lineup will get a hit over the bad lineup.

Not really fair. He flat out mentioned his stuff being sub par. Whether you agree with him or not is another story but

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It was pretty much the same after. The Trenton lineup is really bad and that kind of stuff will get Double-A hitters out.

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If you want me to make up gun readings or pretend he threw a lot more changes (or well located strikes) than he did, well, I am not gonna. If you want an excuse, it was lightly raining at times and he had problems with the mound.

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I think Gimenez is the type that gets slept on bc none of his tools are viewed as special. To me his best attribute seems to be that he's so polished at such a young age, and even that sometimes gets positioned as a negative in the "already polished" = lower ceiling way. I'd guess most evaluators bend more towards the Rosario types who have tools that jump out and a capacity to improve. Gimenez seems to have enough baseball sense that he's able to get more out of less at a younger age. Maybe that means his ceiling is lower but I'd also guess his floor is higher too.

Which is a good player

Hernandez is very good. I'd sign tomorrow without thinking twice for that outcome outside of how long it took Hernandez to be this good ie 26 years old.

though hopefully he continues his momentum forward to get to big leagues faster than his age 23 season.

He actually did slightly better than I predicted, and the Mets cut their losses a month or so sooner:

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Gonzales will hit a home run to win a game 81_Great_Dane : 1/14/2018 12:06 am : link the first week of the season, get everyone excited, play another month, hit .220, get hurt, end up playing in 35 games in the first half, and get released at the All-Star break with a .200 average, 3 home runs and a negative WAR.

Smith is up because they probably want to promote Alonso and there's no point in having Smith linger at AAA. Give him a chance, see if he can play, and if not, cut their losses on him, too. How much worse can he be than Gonzalez and Bruce?

was quietly awful buoyed by a handful of memorable games.

-0.2 fWAR 2 1b in baseball have been worse. If Dom Smith can't outperform that then not only is he not a building block. He's not a big leaguer.

I'd rather signings like him than Bruce/Vargas. Or Reyes - who is terrible and apparently uncuttable. At least Gonzalez played good D and had those couple memorable moments.

when are we getting Hanley Ramirez?

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I'd rather signings like him than Bruce/Vargas. Or Reyes - who is terrible and apparently uncuttable. At least Gonzalez played good D and had those couple memorable moments.

To be clear I was merely responding to this idea that Gonzalez wasn't that bad. A .299 OBP for a 1b is beyond bad. He had a nice long career but he's washed. If Dom can't outperform Gonzalez then he's a bust.

very down on Mickey Callaway. I liked the hire but he seems in over his head right now.

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In comment 13988808 Eric on Li said: Quote: I'd rather signings like him than Bruce/Vargas. Or Reyes - who is terrible and apparently uncuttable. At least Gonzalez played good D and had those couple memorable moments. To be clear I was merely responding to this idea that Gonzalez wasn't that bad. A .299 OBP for a 1b is beyond bad. He had a nice long career but he's washed. If Dom can't outperform Gonzalez then he's a bust.

yup totally agree. This actually created a nice low expectations moment for Dom though. If he comes up and shows any pulse we'll probably be more excited about him than we have been in a while.

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very down on Mickey Callaway. I liked the hire but he seems in over his head right now.

same. It's hard to tell if he's just kind of mis-speaking and getting used to the NY press or if he's really making excuses. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think I've heard any quotes from him owning up to making mistakes other than the batting out of turn thing. Every time he's made a questionable call he's made an excuse when asked about it, and I think that's the thing that loses people quickly - if they think the leader is avoiding criticism. The most recent one was about the losing streak and he said something to the effect of "well at least we're hanging in all these games" - which again, it's tough to tell if that's just him saying something that's kind of true or if he really felt the losing streak wasn't that bad.

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In comment 13988838 DanMetroMan said: Quote: very down on Mickey Callaway. I liked the hire but he seems in over his head right now. same. It's hard to tell if he's just kind of mis-speaking and getting used to the NY press or if he's really making excuses. Maybe I'm wrong but I don't think I've heard any quotes from him owning up to making mistakes other than the batting out of turn thing. Every time he's made a questionable call he's made an excuse when asked about it, and I think that's the thing that loses people quickly - if they think the leader is avoiding criticism. The most recent one was about the losing streak and he said something to the effect of "well at least we're hanging in all these games" - which again, it's tough to tell if that's just him saying something that's kind of true or if he really felt the losing streak wasn't that bad.

He's really harping on the market far too much (if anything Mets fans are beyond patient given what we've been through) and while TC was apt to saying dumb things.. he went out of his way to say things would be different handling injuries and then flat out admits Cespedes wouldn't be out there if not for all of the other injuries. I'm not giving up on him but I'm currently not very confident in him either.

DFA's, Ty Kelly also coming up.

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DFA's, Ty Kelly also coming up.

Should be McNeil

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In comment 13988973 pjcas18 said: Quote: DFA's, Ty Kelly also coming up. Should be McNeil

and should be Reyes DFA'd too.

And if the road trip goes badly, they might as well try McNeil. Because, why the fuck not?

is supposed to return on this road trip, so I think if Reyes is DFA'd it would be for Fores.

But I'm not opposed to McNeil.

If Wright and Reyes could play one more time, and retire together. Nice to dream.

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is supposed to return on this road trip, so I think if Reyes is DFA'd it would be for Fores. But I'm not opposed to McNeil.

They will probably send Dom back to AAA

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In comment 13988987 pjcas18 said: Quote: is supposed to return on this road trip, so I think if Reyes is DFA'd it would be for Fores. But I'm not opposed to McNeil. They will probably send Dom back to AAA

Maybe, but they need Bruce in the OF right? So, Dom is the lefty 1B until Cespedes returns and they can play Bruce at 1B.

I was thinking of at least a Flores/Dom platoon with Dom getting most of the starts.

Bruce in RF, Conforto CF, Nimmo LF. Give Bautista the occasional start for Bruce against lefties.

IF is set, but if Cabrera is out for some time Guillorme should get the starts since he's at least a very good defender. Or Flores once in a while if he's hitting. Reyes needs to be DFA'd asap. If Cecchini is healthy I'd have no issue giving him time at 2B once he shakes off the rust. In fact, I'd literally take the first decent trade offer for Cabrera.

They've tried to jump start this season with past their prime veterans for long enough. Give the kids a chance and maybe 1 of them surprises.

surprise this guy was drafted by the Mets?
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