With questions regarding corner back depth, the Giants pass rush might be crucial to our success in pass defense. Even assuming that Vernon returns to form, he's pretty much it as far as our starting dl/lb go in rushing the qb. Lorenzo Carter will be a help there if they bring him in on passing downs. Carter may, at some point, work his way into the starting lineup.
I expect the Giants to blitz a lot in passing situations. Ogletree can help as a blitzer and of course Collins. But I'm still concerned about our ability to get to the quarterback or at least pressure him.
Pivotal year for OV, with the team owning the out on his deal next March.
But I think some of you better temper your expectations a bit as Carter wasn't some terror coming off the Edge in the SEC. He was one of the better players on a good defense. In many instances a good TE was able to control him.
Looking forward to seeing him in the pros but you're only going to be disappointed by expecting Carter to provide a major impact in the pass rush...as a rookie no less.
So I'm guessing, the pass rush may be pretty effective, but I doubt any one guy is gonna get double digit sacks. Even Vernon, though it's certainly possible. I think you'll see several guys (including DBs) with 2-3 sacks, rather than one or two guys with a lot.
1 - They will need Vernon to have his best season as a Giant and stay healthy.
2- Bettcher is going to have to manufacture pressure through creative blitz packages.
The Giants don’t have Strahan/Osi/Tuck but they have a lot of potential on paper at the LB position to get after the QB.
We’re just going to have to wait and see how the unit develops.
There is a lot of youth at the OLB position, so im just hoping someone can step up.
I also don't know what to think the run defense will be like without JPP. He wasn't the most consistent pass rusher, but he did turn into a very good run defender, and set the edge really well.
That said, I'm feeling much more optimistic about our offensive line, something I think most of us can agree we haven't felt in a very long time.
But I think some of you better temper your expectations a bit as Carter wasn't some terror coming off the Edge in the SEC. He was one of the better players on a good defense. In many instances a good TE was able to control him.
Looking forward to seeing him in the pros but you're only going to be disappointed by expecting Carter to provide a major impact in the pass rush...as a rookie no less.
Jimmy, with the same height/weight, is Carter a clone of Leonard Floyd?
Now, we're back to how it was back around y2k, when NYG were DESPERATELY trying to find a solid bookend for Strahan. Remember how much that sucked?
I fear we're back at that place.
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Carter seems a bit more sturdy, powerful.
You may well be right. But I was basing the assumption on what the Cards did last year. They had one stud -- Chandler Jones, and a bunch of contributors who had no where near double digit sacks.
I think the Giants will have a similar look, with Vernon leading the way (not approaching Jones' 17 sacks, but I could see him getting maybe 8-12).
Look, they were 29th last year. Maybe they get it up between 20-25? They have a bunch of unknown young guys. Hopefully some of them will surprise. Who knows.
I don't expect it to be what it was when they had 3 pass rushing studs on the DL.
Scheme will help our pass rush, not concerned yet. The fact that we are adding LB's, OL and have a proven defensive & offensive scheme coming to Big Blue. I am excited.
Scheme will help our pass rush, not concerned yet. The fact that we are adding LB's, OL and have a proven defensive & offensive scheme coming to Big Blue. I am excited.
Agree with this
As for our LB'ers, it is wishful thinking that they can provide pressure....maybe they can, but we have no idea, at this moment....
Somebody posted last season, that the defense could possibly take a step backwards, and was tarred and feathered by BBI....he was right....it wasn't just the injuries, there was film.....and some of the adjustments by Spags, just didn't make sense, like leaving the deep center of the defense wide open....
These guys will have to mesh quickly together.....and if they don't, then the offense has to carry this team....but if the OL doesn't show improvement, this can turn into a sh*t show real fast....
Shurm has to really get this team ready in preseason, by playing his starters, longer than Mac did the last two seasons.....and Eli has to show something in preseason.....flipping a switch when a season starts does not always work.....
I do think this team has an outside shot at a wild card, if injuries are limited, if Eli still has something left, and if we get a few breaks.....but if it doesn't make the playoffs, I hope to see improvement, and maybe we can be spoilers, and play some meaningful games after Halloween.....this team has to learn to have a winning attitude once again......
Carter will develop into a more classic OLB, playing More like Carl Banks.
Kicks Ass.
Carter will develop into a more classic OLB, playing More like Carl Banks.
I think he's more comparable to Jessie Armstead and that's not a bad comparison, if he could be 50% of what Jessie was to this team.
From the highlights I saw, Carter at UGA did not rush often from the end position. When he rushed, it was from the OLB spot.
The key to our ability to rush the passer is to put teams in 3rd and long. 1st and 2nd down will be the key to this. Stopping the run will force teams to pass creating more pass rush opportunities.
One other factor would be that we actually might have an offense that can both possess the ball and maybe have a lead in the 4th quarter. Teams that become one dimensional and be forced to pass late in the game will again hopefully give the opportunity to hit the QB.
The personnel is decent. JPP, while a decent pass rusher was not performing at a very high level and his hand issue was not helping. Overall I think the pass rush will improve and part of the reason will be scheme.
Just have to hope Bettcher & co. do a better job aligning the defense to strengths of the personnel than their predecessors.
So, whereas it may be a nominal 'blitz' given that some insist of talking as if it's a classic 3/4...it's not a blitz in the sense as mentioned.... Risk wise.
Ogletree, Martin, Collins will blitz at times and such but none of them is a standout.
Our hope has to lie in our starting DB's staying healthy! If any of these guys go down (Jenkins, Collins esp.) we are in trouble on defense.
I do like rookie BJ Hill, L Carter, and McIntosh but to expect them to produce early in the season especially is asking too much.
They couldn't possibly have fixed everything in one year, so I get it, but I'm quite honestly stunned at how many here seem to be expecting big things.
And this offseason everyone seems to feel great about the offense. I saw someone suggest that Beckham, Engram, Shepard, and Barkley would have like 4000 yards receiving combined between them. OK...
That's the key and I think they'll do it, at least to a large extent.
I'm not saying our linebackers will be terrible blitzing but to date, none of them are "proven pass rushers" that make teams double think their protections and confuse QBs and such.
The Giants may have to rely on rookies like BJ Hill, Mcintosh, Carter to be pass rushers and that is asking an awful lot.
JPP certainly didn't play up to his salary, but he probably produced more than his replacement will. Remember that he had the talent for batting down passes at the LOS. He had five last year and has averaged almost six per season for his career.
Vernon, pretty amazingly, has only had one pass defense in his entire career.
JPP and DRC were part of the culture problem, and were moved out. The End.
And this offseason everyone seems to feel great about the offense. I saw someone suggest that Beckham, Engram, Shepard, and Barkley would have like 4000 yards receiving combined between them. OK...
And that's OK. I was one of the hopeful fans. My mistake was not realizing just how incompetent McAdoo was. Then came the injuries.
No clue to Bettcher's defense here but he did well in Arizona.
Our offense has improved the Oline and now we have Barkley.
If injuries are "normal" we should have a good year, IMO.
JPP and DRC were part of the culture problem, and were moved out. The End.
DRC part of the culture problem? That would come as news to his teammates. Jenkins and Apple didn't get along with the coaching staff, either. And the coaches are gone.
YMMV
They did draft Macintosh to be a pass rushing end, he just needs to get healthy to see what we have.
Moss showed a few things to make me hopeful last year. I just worry about his scheme fit. At the least he can provide third down pass rush at end/OLB...
Outside of that, we may be screwed.