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Zack Martin signs extension

giants#1 : 6/11/2018 3:35 pm
6 year deal with record guaranteed money (for a guard). No details, but that puts the deal above the 5 yr/$66.5M deal ($30M gtd) signed by Norwell a few months ago.

Presumably, the "6th" year is this upcoming season which Martin was set to play under the 5th year option (a la Beckham).


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Jay on the Island : 6/11/2018 3:39 pm : link
Dallas will have a lot of cap room tied up into that OL. Smith and Frederick are already among the highest paid at their positions and now Martin is as well.
They'll manage it fine if they are smart enough not to pay Prescott  
Go Terps : 6/11/2018 3:40 pm : link
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BigBlueDownTheShore : 6/11/2018 3:42 pm : link
In comment 13988867 Jay on the Island said:
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Dallas will have a lot of cap room tied up into that OL. Smith and Frederick are already among the highest paid at their positions and now Martin is as well.


The extensions help keep costs low now, but eventually someone will be a cap casualty
RE: They'll manage it fine if they are smart enough not to pay Prescott  
Giantology : 6/11/2018 3:44 pm : link
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And do what, pray that they hit on another mid-round QB prospect?
RE: They'll manage it fine if they are smart enough not to pay Prescott  
Jay on the Island : 6/11/2018 3:44 pm : link
In comment 13988868 Go Terps said:
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I am hoping that Prescott has a somewhat decent season and JJ unwisely gives him a massive extension.
it's probably a similar structure to  
giants#1 : 6/11/2018 3:51 pm : link
Smith/Frederick deals. Smallerish signing bonus with large base salaries (gtd for the first 2+ seasons) that they then convert (if necessary) to bonus money to free cap space. For example, Smith has restructured 3 times (2015, 2016, and 2017) since his 2014 extension. Those maneuvers freed a lot of cap space for each of those seasons, but he still has (entering year 5 of his deal) a ton of guaranteed money remaining which could cause issues if his play declines or injuries hit (missed 3 games each of the last 2 seasons).
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Go Terps : 6/11/2018 4:05 pm : link
In comment 13988873 Giantology said:
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And do what, pray that they hit on another mid-round QB prospect?


Behind that line and with that running back a mid-round prospect is going to look a lot better than he actually is, just like Prescott has.

As Giants fans we should all be hoping they give him a huge contract.
Prescott is massively overrated.  
Keith : 6/11/2018 4:07 pm : link
I'm all for paying QB's that are worth it, Prescott is not that guy. He's a game manager. He will never win games with his arm.
at best (for the Cowboys)  
giants#1 : 6/11/2018 4:11 pm : link
Prescott is Cousins 2.0. He's a game manager that doesn't really elevated the play of those around him and once he hits FA, he's going to be massively overpaid.

You can win it all with a guy like Prescott on his rookie deal since you can use the extra money to strengthen other aspects of the team, but if you're tying $25M+ (now the going rate) into a Prescott, good luck fielding a SB competitor.
Going to be REAL interesting  
gmen9892 : 6/11/2018 4:48 pm : link
When Zeke, Dak, and Sean Lee are all looking for contracts in 2020.

Not to mention, Demarcus Lawrence is going to need a new contract too next year. As a 27 year old pass rusher that will command big bucks, find it hard to believe they will make him one of the highest paid DE's on the market as well.
RE: at best (for the Cowboys)  
Ten Ton Hammer : 6/11/2018 5:06 pm : link
In comment 13988915 giants#1 said:
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Prescott is Cousins 2.0. He's a game manager that doesn't really elevated the play of those around him and once he hits FA, he's going to be massively overpaid.

You can win it all with a guy like Prescott on his rookie deal since you can use the extra money to strengthen other aspects of the team, but if you're tying $25M+ (now the going rate) into a Prescott, good luck fielding a SB competitor.


Cousins is actually pretty productive. I didn't say good, just productive. 4900 yards and 4100 yards with 52 TDs the last two years. I don't see Prescott ever being that kind of QB
RE: Going to be REAL interesting  
giants#1 : 6/11/2018 5:08 pm : link
In comment 13988951 gmen9892 said:
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When Zeke, Dak, and Sean Lee are all looking for contracts in 2020.

Not to mention, Demarcus Lawrence is going to need a new contract too next year. As a 27 year old pass rusher that will command big bucks, find it hard to believe they will make him one of the highest paid DE's on the market as well.


Sean Lee won't be getting big money. He'll be lucky if they don't cut him after this season ($7M base next year with only $3M dead money). He'll be 34 in 2020 with a long injury history.
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Diver_Down : 6/11/2018 5:19 pm : link
In comment 13988962 giants#1 said:
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When Zeke, Dak, and Sean Lee are all looking for contracts in 2020.

Not to mention, Demarcus Lawrence is going to need a new contract too next year. As a 27 year old pass rusher that will command big bucks, find it hard to believe they will make him one of the highest paid DE's on the market as well.



Sean Lee won't be getting big money. He'll be lucky if they don't cut him after this season ($7M base next year with only $3M dead money). He'll be 34 in 2020 with a long injury history.


Didn't they draft the presumed replacement for Lee this year?
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gmen9892 : 6/11/2018 5:19 pm : link
In comment 13988962 giants#1 said:
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When Zeke, Dak, and Sean Lee are all looking for contracts in 2020.

Not to mention, Demarcus Lawrence is going to need a new contract too next year. As a 27 year old pass rusher that will command big bucks, find it hard to believe they will make him one of the highest paid DE's on the market as well.



Sean Lee won't be getting big money. He'll be lucky if they don't cut him after this season ($7M base next year with only $3M dead money). He'll be 34 in 2020 with a long injury history.


Fair enough, but the other 3 will still be looking for Top 3-5 contracts at their positions the next 2 years. Issue still remains.
RE: at best (for the Cowboys)  
BillT : 6/11/2018 5:43 pm : link
In comment 13988915 giants#1 said:
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Prescott is Cousins 2.0. He's a game manager that doesn't really elevated the play of those around him and once he hits FA, he's going to be massively overpaid.

I don't think he's shown himself to be as good as Cousins. He could still improve but he's got a ways to go.
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mrvax : 6/11/2018 6:43 pm : link
In comment 13988901 Go Terps said:
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Behind that line and with that running back a mid-round prospect is going to look a lot better than he actually is, just like Prescott has.

As Giants fans we should all be hoping they give him a huge contract.


Agreed. He doesn't do a damn thing that I see as above average. In my mind, he's a solid backup. He cannot win games for his team like good QBs can.

I'd roll the dice and grab the best QB possible next year.
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arcarsenal : 6/11/2018 6:46 pm : link
Prescott sucks.
Probalby a smart move  
uther99 : 6/11/2018 7:39 pm : link
given the lack of OL talent around the league and draft.
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djm : 6/11/2018 7:48 pm : link
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It’s quite possible there is no right or wrong answer/solution regarding Prescott and a long term deal. I firmly believe these no win situations exist in the sports world.

Big season coming up for Dak. Fuck him.
Keep loading up on that OLine  
UConn4523 : 6/11/2018 7:51 pm : link
and trot out absolute garbage at WR with an average at best QB. If Elliott doesn’t play 16 very good to great games they won’t sniff the playoffs.

I know everyone wants to emulate the Cowboys because of their line, but I really don’t agree with their strategy. Pay Prescott whatever he wants!
I never got the Dak love...  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 6/11/2018 7:53 pm : link
He had an all world line & a dominant RB. Hell, you put me in that situation & I'd look good too.
Martin  
TyreeHelmet : 6/12/2018 10:08 am : link
He deserves every penny. Hell of a player who never misses a game. He's the anti Pugh.
Jay on the Island  
arniefez : 6/12/2018 10:55 am : link
I agree the best non Giant thing that can happen in the NFL in the near future is Dak getting a franchise QB contract.
The Cowboys are going to be in “cap-hell”  
Jimmy Googs : 6/12/2018 3:40 pm : link
says BBI every year since 2011...
who's the last notable FA  
giants#1 : 6/12/2018 3:44 pm : link
the Cowboys signed? Hardy?
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Go Terps : 6/12/2018 3:51 pm : link
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It’s quite possible there is no right or wrong answer/solution regarding Prescott and a long term deal. I firmly believe these no win situations exist in the sports world.

Big season coming up for Dak. Fuck him.


There's a right answer with Prescott: trade him after this season to a team stupid enough to give him the contract he'll want. Then draft his replacement. They'd be just fine.

Shit, they could have done that this past offseason and drafted Lamar Jackson at #19. They'd be better at QB and have whatever they got in trade.
Jimmy  
Keith : 6/12/2018 3:52 pm : link
are you trying to suggest that the Cowboys haven't had issues with the cap? They def don't have a ton of flexibility and they've clearly not been extremely active in FA due to their cap situation.
I typically read several posts a year projecting  
Jimmy Googs : 6/12/2018 4:00 pm : link
Dallas impending doom regarding the cap that never comes to fruition.
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djm : 6/12/2018 8:10 pm : link
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It’s quite possible there is no right or wrong answer/solution regarding Prescott and a long term deal. I firmly believe these no win situations exist in the sports world.

Big season coming up for Dak. Fuck him.



There's a right answer with Prescott: trade him after this season to a team stupid enough to give him the contract he'll want. Then draft his replacement. They'd be just fine.

Shit, they could have done that this past offseason and drafted Lamar Jackson at #19. They'd be better at QB and have whatever they got in trade.


Possibly better and Jackson likely needs time to develop into a pro qb. Most collegiate qbs do.

Prescott doesn’t get hurt and doesn’t suck. He can escape the pocket and make plays with his legs as well. Those aren’t end all be all traits but not exactly dime a dozen traits either.

Hopefully dallas makes the wrong decision. This is a big year for that team. I refuse to write them off anymore because when I do they play well, especially defensively.
djm  
Go Terps : 6/12/2018 8:24 pm : link
Prescott was thrust into a starting role from the outset after Romo's back injury in week 3 of the preseason. He was a fourth round pick without the benefit of first team snaps throughout training camp. Dallas went 13-3 just asking him not to screw things up for Elliott and the offensive line.

I don't see any reason Lamar Jackson (way more talented than Prescott ever was or will be) or another draft pick couldn't do the same.

What's more likely? That the Cowboys got lucky with Prescott or that their excellent OL and RB carried them?
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MetsAreBack : 6/12/2018 9:37 pm : link
Player A first two seasons:
64%, 3118 yds, 26 TDs/10 INTs, 100 QBR
63%, 3357 yds, 26:9, 101 QBR
Avg 63.5%, 3200 yds, 26:10, ~100 QBR

Player B first two seasons:
68%, 3667 yds, 23:4, 105 QBR
63%, 3324 yds, 22:13, 87 QBR
Avg 65.5%, 3500 yds, 22:8, 96 QBR


Conclusion: Tough sophomore year, the injury at left tackle midseason and Dez Bryant's collapse as a professional athlete didn't help matters. Its way too soon to determine if Dak Prescott is a franchise QB yet or not.
Dallas in 2019 & 2020  
fanatic II : 6/12/2018 11:20 pm : link
Has 64 million and 127 million in cap space available.

They should be able to sign whoever they wish.
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christian : 6/13/2018 8:53 am : link
In two full years the Cowboys will either have a confident, experienced, young healthy veteran quarterback ready to take on more responsibility and account for more productivity or will have a quarterback who's either been unhealthy or underachieved to some degree with a really good line and a great running back.

They are by no means in a bad situation right now or in a rush. The last thing they should do is trade their QB for a rookie who was a disaster in the lead up to the draft and might not ever see the field as a QB.
Terps  
djm : 6/13/2018 7:59 pm : link
I’d say it’s been a little bit of both. Prescott was placed into a wonderful spot but he did a lot better than the slobs that replaced romo in 2015.

Prescott could improve. He could regress. Time will tell.
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