After seeing the other thread, I felt compelled to make my own:
I'm a New York admitted attorney. I graduated from a good law school a year ago and since January I have been clerking for a judge. It's been a great general experience, but the clerkship is nearly up, the money hasn't been great, and in any case, the position was only meant to be an interim position. I now have to begin my actual legal career in a specific legal field.
The job search has been extremely daunting, to say the least. Either the listed position is not in my field (I was an IP concentration and most of my law school experience has been in that field, but at this point I'll do anything in transactional law with the exception of tax. I really don't think I'm cut out for litigation, but I do understand that many lawyers get their start in litigation.), or they require years of experience (most of them require 2 + 3 years of experience, at the minimum).
I've been using different job platforms like my school's job website, Indeed, LinkedIn, Law Crossing, etc., but so far no dice. I was wondering if anyone had any advice or maybe even an in. I would be eternally grateful for any help you may provide.
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And make sure you have your elevator pitch down cold and ask thoughtful questions that demonstrated your prep work
Did that as well. That's the main impetus for why I created this thread. Thought maybe something substantive can come of it.
It's funny you say that because I've heard people tell me to have an elevator pitch ready with regard to anything. Hell, I may be in an elevator with John Mara or Steve Tisch one day. But to be honest, I don't know what to say. I don't know how to sell myself without seeming generic and cookie-cutter. It's something I'm trying to learn.
i highly recommend toastmasters for developing an elevator pitch speaking off the cuff etc
While you are searching you may want to take CLE courses in technology contracting (especially cloud/SaaS deals) and privacy law two areas that are in very high demand at the moment . Go for the legal knowledge and definitely stay for the mingling. You may also want to consider joining a bar association or association of corporate counsel and volunteer to help out with organizing an event
Toastmasters International? Never heard of it, but I'll look into it.
I've started taking CLE courses, but they're so expensive! I mean ridiculously expensive. I'm a member of the NY State Bar, NY City Bar (Sports Law Committee), and NYCLA.
Sounds like you are doing a lot of the right things:Generally speaking in person networking opportunities are far more powerful than digital email contacts. You just have to keep at it, lots of coffee meetings (don’t sound desperate and also seek opportunities to offer something in exchange whether it’s a great article or contact, so it is a mutually beneficial conversation ) and volunteering
Good luck
Sounds like you are doing a lot of the right things:Generally speaking in person networking opportunities are far more powerful than digital email contacts. You just have to keep at it, lots of coffee meetings (don’t sound desperate and also seek opportunities to offer something in exchange whether it’s a great article or contact, so it is a mutually beneficial conversation ) and volunteering
Good luck
I just signed up for the introductory meeting on Thursday. I'll let you know how it is!
Thanks!
I always liked the idea of public interest law, but it never seemed to fit into my vision, meaning I always wanted to practice sports and entertainment law, or real estate, or something of the like. But I did toy around with the idea of going into First Amendment/con law and working for like the ACLU or ADL.
I did provide legal services before law school (represented unfairly laid off and penalized employees in labor court) and during law school (Division of Human Rights) and they were great, but right now I'm looking for the right opportunity in my chosen field (or something that I can learn to love) and use it as a stepping stone on the way to my legal career in a specific area of the law.
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Federal Government agencies are always looking for attorneys. I'm not sure what the need is for attorneys right out of school, but I bet there are agencies searching for newer attorneys. Check out USAjobs.gov. And Im not saying in law enforcement. But agencies within the Treasury Department, CFPB, IRS etc. all have legal departments.
Have you spoken to the Judge you are clerking for? Does he have any connections or suggestions?
Good luck. Getting that first job is the toughest. Once you have the job, you should be able to get others!
Use connections. Friends, friends of friends, distant family. Anything to get you in front of the right people.
Yep. I've checked government jobs. I actually applied to the NYC Law Department yesterday. I've also seen postings for federal government, from FBI agents to bureau jobs. Problem is that most of them are in DC and I'm only admitted to practice here in New York.
as a technology company it's critical and then with GDPR and other regulations they have had to learn data privacy and security.
You know this better than me (if it's true) but it seems like there are a glut of lawyers, but any time I need a contract reviewed it's the hardest thing to get done in my company of 300,000+ people. So maybe not many willing to move into corporate law.
It seems like they'd be dying for people like you with an interest in that.
The demand for privacy and compliance attorneys is only going to go up. If it's something you're interested in, look into getting your CIPP/US and more importantly CIPP/E certifications. Take a few classes, or read some books on GRC and some cybersecurity principles.
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almost all of our legal counsel is specialized in IP.
as a technology company it's critical and then with GDPR and other regulations they have had to learn data privacy and security.
You know this better than me (if it's true) but it seems like there are a glut of lawyers, but any time I need a contract reviewed it's the hardest thing to get done in my company of 300,000+ people. So maybe not many willing to move into corporate law.
It seems like they'd be dying for people like you with an interest in that.
The demand for privacy and compliance attorneys is only going to go up. If it's something you're interested in, look into getting your CIPP/US and more importantly CIPP/E certifications. Take a few classes, or read some books on GRC and some cybersecurity principles.
Will do. Thank you. The funny thing is that I never considered compliance because it was always considered pseudo law. You don't have to be an admitted attorney to practice compliance as it is JD preferred.
I'm too old to tell you how to go a out finding a job in today's legal world. But I can tell you what I wanted when i was hiring.
First, I couldn't care less what courses you took in law school. 100% meaningless to me.
Secondly, while your experience as an attorney was relevant, I was always much more concerned about trying to discover who you were. I've always believed there are only two types of workers:
(1) self motivated/driven people who care about being the very best at what they do, no matter what that is - whether that was flipping hamburgers for MacDonalds or working for me.
(2) people who really don't give a shit - who only care about getting through the day with the fewest amount of hassles.
Finding the first kind of people was soooo much more important to me than their experience - because I knew that the first group would learn what they needed to know soon enough, and be much more valuable to my office over the long term, even if it meant a much greater amount of investment of my time in the short term providing tutelage.
So, unless I was hiring someone whom I wanted to have 10+ years experience to handle my firm's largest cases (my practice for 40+ years was always litigation, although the title work we did had a tremendous amount of complex commercial real estate as a background).
I'm too old to tell you how to go a out finding a job in today's legal world. But I can tell you what I wanted when i was hiring.
First, I couldn't care less what courses you took in law school. 100% meaningless to me.
Secondly, while your experience as an attorney was relevant, I was always much more concerned about trying to discover who you were. I've always believed there are only two types of workers:
(1) self motivated/driven people who care about being the very best at what they do, no matter what that is - whether that was flipping hamburgers for MacDonalds or working for me.
(2) people who really don't give a shit - who only care about getting through the day with the fewest amount of hassles.
Finding the first kind of people was soooo much more important to me than their experience - because I knew that the first group would learn what they needed to know soon enough, and be much more valuable to my office over the long term, even if it meant a much greater amount of investment of my time in the short term providing tutelage.
So, unless I was hiring someone whom I wanted to have 10+ years experience to handle my firm's largest cases (my practice for 40+ years was always litigation, although the title work we did had a tremendous amount of complex commercial real estate as a background).
Bill, I want to be the best. I take pride in my work and I want to be someone that my co-workers can rely and depend on. I want to immerse myself in my work and make a long-lasting career out of it.
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and then was MGR of corp legal dept for 15 years... so have quite a lot of experience hiring attorneys
I'm too old to tell you how to go a out finding a job in today's legal world. But I can tell you what I wanted when i was hiring.
First, I couldn't care less what courses you took in law school. 100% meaningless to me.
Secondly, while your experience as an attorney was relevant, I was always much more concerned about trying to discover who you were. I've always believed there are only two types of workers:
(1) self motivated/driven people who care about being the very best at what they do, no matter what that is - whether that was flipping hamburgers for MacDonalds or working for me.
(2) people who really don't give a shit - who only care about getting through the day with the fewest amount of hassles.
Finding the first kind of people was soooo much more important to me than their experience - because I knew that the first group would learn what they needed to know soon enough, and be much more valuable to my office over the long term, even if it meant a much greater amount of investment of my time in the short term providing tutelage.
So, unless I was hiring someone whom I wanted to have 10+ years experience to handle my firm's largest cases (my practice for 40+ years was always litigation, although the title work we did had a tremendous amount of complex commercial real estate as a background).
Bill, I want to be the best. I take pride in my work and I want to be someone that my co-workers can rely and depend on. I want to immerse myself in my work and make a long-lasting career out of it.
Two other things I looked for when hiring attorneys:
1. high job turnover (5 jobs in 5 years) ... was always a red flag, enough that I usually threw those resumes out without further consideration
2. don't sit home ... Anakim, the one thing I want from a young attorney is that they don't sit home if they are trying to get their first job (after a clerkship)... in other words, go volunteer at the public defender's office... maybe you'll be working for free, but you'll be learning valuable things while you search for your real job. But don't just sit home.
Good luck.
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and then was MGR of corp legal dept for 15 years... so have quite a lot of experience hiring attorneys
I'm too old to tell you how to go a out finding a job in today's legal world. But I can tell you what I wanted when i was hiring.
First, I couldn't care less what courses you took in law school. 100% meaningless to me.
Secondly, while your experience as an attorney was relevant, I was always much more concerned about trying to discover who you were. I've always believed there are only two types of workers:
(1) self motivated/driven people who care about being the very best at what they do, no matter what that is - whether that was flipping hamburgers for MacDonalds or working for me.
(2) people who really don't give a shit - who only care about getting through the day with the fewest amount of hassles.
Finding the first kind of people was soooo much more important to me than their experience - because I knew that the first group would learn what they needed to know soon enough, and be much more valuable to my office over the long term, even if it meant a much greater amount of investment of my time in the short term providing tutelage.
So, unless I was hiring someone whom I wanted to have 10+ years experience to handle my firm's largest cases (my practice for 40+ years was always litigation, although the title work we did had a tremendous amount of complex commercial real estate as a background).
Bill, I want to be the best. I take pride in my work and I want to be someone that my co-workers can rely and depend on. I want to immerse myself in my work and make a long-lasting career out of it.
Two other things I looked for when hiring attorneys:
1. high job turnover (5 jobs in 5 years) ... was always a red flag, enough that I usually threw those resumes out without further consideration
2. don't sit home ... Anakim, the one thing I want from a young attorney is that they don't sit home if they are trying to get their first job (after a clerkship)... in other words, go volunteer at the public defender's office... maybe you'll be working for free, but you'll be learning valuable things while you search for your real job. But don't just sit home.
Good luck.
1. Well I have that, but mainly because my previous positions were only meant to last for the summer or for a semester. They weren't meant to be long-term.
2. Understood and that's actually what I fear. I had my clerkship lined up in November after I found out I passed the Bar. Between the time I took the UBE and found out the results I was basically in No Man's Land like most recent graduates. It was until we found out the results that everyone was sorted into two categories: those who passed and those who didn't.
But yeah, my clerkship ends in a couple of weeks so I need to have something lined up. I'd be very grateful if you could forward my resume to any firm that is hiring in the Five Boroughs.
I 100% agree that you cannot sit home. Get out there and intern somewhere -- preferably somewhere that you can earn a permanent paid position through demonstrated merit, or where you will gain invaluable experience. Whatever you do, don't allow yourself to develop a void in your resume -- a lengthy time period without a corresponding position.
I also tend to ask what Myers-Briggs profile people are (I hate working with perceiving personality types, who drive me nuts with procrastination) and SAT/LSAT scores (want to get a sense of whether the person has the raw mental horsepower for the work). Law journal experience is also close to a requirement for me, because it teaches kids the importance of providing support for every assertion. Happily, you are set on that score.
Bill
Understood. I'm open.
Because of private issues, I can't live outside the five boroughs at this point
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Broaden your search to not just include the five boroughs. You shouldnt be married to staying in NYC, especially right out of law school
Because of private issues, I can't live outside the five boroughs at this point
To clarify, I could commute to like White Plains or Great Neck or EAST RUTHERFORD, but I can't live far from the five boroughs (specifically Manhattan) for personal reasons.
I've thought of that, but it can also limit your options, no? I mean the whole notion of going to law school and getting a JD is to practice law, and down the road that may be an option, but right after law school? Seems awfully risky.
What fields were you referring to? Just curious.
My how time flies. :)
My how time flies. :)
What I really need is for you to come back here so we can go on drunken tirades and run into ex-wrestlers.
And speaking of drunken tirades...
It's a bit of both. I've had a couple of interviews here and there (and I'll be the first to admit that I don't think I make the best impression because I'm very robotic and systematic in my answers. I don't show a lot of personality and basically go off a script, which I'm sure seems disingenuous. The truth is I'm a nervous wreck before these interviews as they never get any easier and I'm not that quick on my feet so it's almost like I have to go into automaton mode in order to survive. It's something I'm working on. Maybe the Toastmaster's thing tonight will help). But I would say 8 out of 10 times I don't even receive a response. I'm not exactly sure why. My GPA was solid (not top 25%, but solid overall), I have the extracurriculars, I had my note published in a respectable journal, I have good legal experience (albeit not much in law firms)...
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Are you getting interviews and not getting jobs or just not getting interviews at all?
And speaking of drunken tirades...
It's a bit of both. I've had a couple of interviews here and there (and I'll be the first to admit that I don't think I make the best impression because I'm very robotic and systematic in my answers. I don't show a lot of personality and basically go off a script, which I'm sure seems disingenuous. The truth is I'm a nervous wreck before these interviews as they never get any easier and I'm not that quick on my feet so it's almost like I have to go into automaton mode in order to survive. It's something I'm working on. Maybe the Toastmaster's thing tonight will help). But I would say 8 out of 10 times I don't even receive a response. I'm not exactly sure why. My GPA was solid (not top 25%, but solid overall), I have the extracurriculars, I had my note published in a respectable journal, I have good legal experience (albeit not much in law firms)...
And BTW, that's the main reason why I don't think I'd be a good litigator. I get flustered and rattled easily and I'm not that quick on my feet. I can't just shoot from the hip. I have to sit down, digest, and contemplate.
Thank you so much. I do intend to be the Giants GM one day so look out, world!
I don't really know what interviews for lawyers are like, but think of ways to differentiate yourself - hunt down articles written by the people you're interviewing with, flash a skill of yours without outright saying it, etc.
I'm maybe the world's greatest interviewee.
Also, try to take a Dale Carnegie course (if you have the cash, it's expensive).
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Are you getting interviews and not getting jobs or just not getting interviews at all?
And speaking of drunken tirades...
It's a bit of both. I've had a couple of interviews here and there (and I'll be the first to admit that I don't think I make the best impression because I'm very robotic and systematic in my answers. I don't show a lot of personality and basically go off a script, which I'm sure seems disingenuous. The truth is I'm a nervous wreck before these interviews as they never get any easier and I'm not that quick on my feet so it's almost like I have to go into automaton mode in order to survive. It's something I'm working on. Maybe the Toastmaster's thing tonight will help). But I would say 8 out of 10 times I don't even receive a response. I'm not exactly sure why. My GPA was solid (not top 25%, but solid overall), I have the extracurriculars, I had my note published in a respectable journal, I have good legal experience (albeit not much in law firms)...
And BTW, that's the main reason why I don't think I'd be a good litigator. I get flustered and rattled easily and I'm not that quick on my feet. I can't just shoot from the hip. I have to sit down, digest, and contemplate.
I was naturally like this right out of law school as well. I was scared to go to court by myself at first. But, as with anything else, you get better with practice.
I've done a couple of mock interviews and they can sense my anxiety. I often use my hands when talking (which is a big no no in interviews) and I swallow my words. There are prescription drugs for performance anxiety, but I'm wary of taking them, as I don't want to have to deal with the potential side-effects (drowsiness? Lack of concentration?).
Thank you so much! I'll email you right now.
Be comfortable in your own skin.
As for being a trial attorney/litigator, thinking quickly “on your feet” really isn’t something I’d worry much about. The truth is that there is only one way to learn how to be a litigator - and that is by trying cases. In my opinion it probably takes 10 jury trials before you get past the nervousness of being on trial (of just going through the process). And it probably took me 20+ jury trials to get to the point where I really understood how to try a case (and, btw, until you have 10-20 jury trials, you have no idea how to conduct depositions or other discovery).
At the end of the day, success at being a litigator is more about understanding WHY you are trying a particular case - and being thoroughly prepared - than it is “thinking on your feet” ... and, when you are thoroughly prepared (and have tried enough cases that the Rules of Evidence and trial procedure is second nature), then “thinking on your feet” is really simply responding to unanticipated events in a very natural way based upon your in depth knowledge of the case (the issues and the facts).
So don’t let that scare you away from litigation. But, having sau$ that, litigation isn’t for everybody. When I was on trial, it was all absorbing, starting 2-3 weeks before jury selection until verdict ... I didn’t do anything else except eat, sleep, and focus on my case. And I prepared for 10x more cases than I tried (I.e. unfortunately, many many cases didn’t settle until minutes before jury selection ... meaning my life was all about 1 file for 2-3 weeks only to have the case settle ... and very often I had 4-5 cases listed for trial on any particular Mon morning) ... I had 53 jury cases go to verdict over a 40 year career ... doesn’t sound like much, but in truth it really is quite a lot of jury trials.
Anyway, back to interviews ... be proud of who you are and take the position in an interview that you certainly don’t know everything there is to know ... and you don’t have all the experience others may have ... but what you do have is the confidence in yourself that you can and will learn @nd master anything you need to.
Be comfortable in your own skin.
As for being a trial attorney/litigator, thinking quickly “on your feet” really isn’t something I’d worry much about. The truth is that there is only one way to learn how to be a litigator - and that is by trying cases. In my opinion it probably takes 10 jury trials before you get past the nervousness of being on trial (of just going through the process). And it probably took me 20+ jury trials to get to the point where I really understood how to try a case (and, btw, until you have 10-20 jury trials, you have no idea how to conduct depositions or other discovery).
At the end of the day, success at being a litigator is more about understanding WHY you are trying a particular case - and being thoroughly prepared - than it is “thinking on your feet” ... and, when you are thoroughly prepared (and have tried enough cases that the Rules of Evidence and trial procedure is second nature), then “thinking on your feet” is really simply responding to unanticipated events in a very natural way based upon your in depth knowledge of the case (the issues and the facts).
So don’t let that scare you away from litigation. But, having sau$ that, litigation isn’t for everybody. When I was on trial, it was all absorbing, starting 2-3 weeks before jury selection until verdict ... I didn’t do anything else except eat, sleep, and focus on my case. And I prepared for 10x more cases than I tried (I.e. unfortunately, many many cases didn’t settle until minutes before jury selection ... meaning my life was all about 1 file for 2-3 weeks only to have the case settle ... and very often I had 4-5 cases listed for trial on any particular Mon morning) ... I had 53 jury cases go to verdict over a 40 year career ... doesn’t sound like much, but in truth it really is quite a lot of jury trials.
Anyway, back to interviews ... be proud of who you are and take the position in an interview that you certainly don’t know everything there is to know ... and you don’t have all the experience others may have ... but what you do have is the confidence in yourself that you can and will learn @nd master anything you need to.
Thanks for the encouraging words, Bill. That's definitely hard, as you're trying to stand out from the crowd and naturally, bullshitting and over-inflating (really embellishing) one's accomplishments are common in interviews. It's like I can't say that I was in the Order of the Coif, or a member of Law Review, so I'm already at a disadvantage and I need to compensate in other ways, even if it means STRETCHING the truth.
So true. I've read many depositions and have conducted e-Discovery, but being the one to actually produce those things is a whole 'nother ball game.
And I hate making excuses like this, but I also don't seem to have that killer instinct. I'm not loud, or obnoxious, or abrasive. I don't have that bravado. And I HATE going against the little man. I don't know if I can sacrifice my morals in order to defend or prosecute someone that I sympathize with or feel pity for.
I do think I can participate in litigation, as Cardozo prepared me well for it (filing motions, affidavits, opp. papers; raising the necessary objections), but it's the intangible stuff...the poise and composure that you need at trial that they didn't teach because frankly, I'm not sure it can be taught. Like in interviews, I'm very systematic in my approach. If someone throws a curveball, it throws me off of my game and I end up mumbling and fumbling my way through improvisation.
As for the unexpected curve, that happens in every trial. But, again, handling those things comes from experience trying cases (it is far,far different during jury trial 25 than it is during trial 5) ... and anyone who isn’t nervous trying a case is either a liar and just doesn’t give a shit ... you are going to be nervous... it’s just that the things you are nervou# about change with experience ... in the beginning I was nervous about not looking foolish... knowing when to make an objection... being afraid to say “no questions” ... jus5 getting through the trial itself ... but then that changes with time ... you still get nervous, but your nervous about whether you made the right decision not to call a particular witness... or deciding to call out your adversary’s case in your opening, exposing your strategy...
In the beginning, I used to hate the idea of having someone watch me while I was trying a case ... by 20 trials I would insist I had someon3 there to line up witnesses, to watch a particular juror’s reactions, etc etc
I believe most lawyers can be good trial lawyers ... it really has less to do about being good on you4 feet and more about having the opportunity to try cases to verdict so that you get the experience with the process, the procedural rules and evidence ... and you learn the hard way how your deposition questioning sucked and your transcript was no help at trial because while you understood what was meant at the tim3 of the deep, the transcript was wishy washy and unuseabke at trial ..,
Experience + hard work preparing your case + having some control over the selection of the cases you actually try to verdict = success at trial
As for the unexpected curve, that happens in every trial. But, again, handling those things comes from experience trying cases (it is far,far different during jury trial 25 than it is during trial 5) ... and anyone who isn’t nervous trying a case is either a liar and just doesn’t give a shit ... you are going to be nervous... it’s just that the things you are nervou# about change with experience ... in the beginning I was nervous about not looking foolish... knowing when to make an objection... being afraid to say “no questions” ... jus5 getting through the trial itself ... but then that changes with time ... you still get nervous, but your nervous about whether you made the right decision not to call a particular witness... or deciding to call out your adversary’s case in your opening, exposing your strategy...
In the beginning, I used to hate the idea of having someone watch me while I was trying a case ... by 20 trials I would insist I had someon3 there to line up witnesses, to watch a particular juror’s reactions, etc etc
I believe most lawyers can be good trial lawyers ... it really has less to do about being good on you4 feet and more about having the opportunity to try cases to verdict so that you get the experience with the process, the procedural rules and evidence ... and you learn the hard way how your deposition questioning sucked and your transcript was no help at trial because while you understood what was meant at the tim3 of the deep, the transcript was wishy washy and unuseabke at trial ..,
Experience + hard work preparing your case + having some control over the selection of the cases you actually try to verdict = success at trial
Interesting way to look at it. Thank you. Maybe if I was brought along slowly. Sat in the second chair for a while.
Hi Max. It's listed in my profile.
Haha, we know better, but I can tell you, after six months of reading motions, affirmations, and affidavits, I can tell you for a fact that a lot of lawyers are borderline incoherent and incomprehensible...especially the ones from the big law. I read an affidavit from someone at Proskauer and it looked like it was written by a fourth grader.
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iPad has been substituting shifted characters (i.e. numbers/symbols) like crazy ... and I see that it changed a you're to your... I DO know better (haha)
Haha, we know better, but I can tell you, after six months of reading motions, affirmations, and affidavits, I can tell you for a fact that a lot of lawyers are borderline incoherent and incomprehensible...especially the ones from the big law. I read an affidavit from someone at Proskauer and it looked like it was written by a fourth grader.
Yea, I agree, it's really appalling. And writing is such an important legal skill. It's one thing to write a 40 page legal brief. It's quite another to reduce those 40 pages down to 10 (after 20-30 revisions) so that the legal argument jumps off the page - screams with every carefully selected word. That's what good lawyering requires - yet so many struggle with simple grammar.
So, if you are looking for paying gigs while you search, take a look at the Posse List and sign up for their email. They send out tons of blasts for document review gigs. Nothing glamorous, but they are a living if you need to make money.
I did it for a time and actually found my way into my area of the law (special education law) by one of their postings.
So, if you are looking for paying gigs while you search, take a look at the Posse List and sign up for their email. They send out tons of blasts for document review gigs. Nothing glamorous, but they are a living if you need to make money.
I did it for a time and actually found my way into my area of the law (special education law) by one of their postings.
That's what I fear. That I'll be in No Man's Land in a few weeks, spending my days writing cover letters and applying for jobs.
Posse List? I'll look into it. I did one e-Discovery project to earn a few bucks, which was okay.
BTW, Maximus, I never received an email from you. Just wanted to make sure you had mine.
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However - I firmly believe that it is much easier to get a job when you have a job and without large resume gaps.
So, if you are looking for paying gigs while you search, take a look at the Posse List and sign up for their email. They send out tons of blasts for document review gigs. Nothing glamorous, but they are a living if you need to make money.
I did it for a time and actually found my way into my area of the law (special education law) by one of their postings.
That's what I fear. That I'll be in No Man's Land in a few weeks, spending my days writing cover letters and applying for jobs.
Posse List? I'll look into it. I did one e-Discovery project to earn a few bucks, which was okay.
BTW, Maximus, I never received an email from you. Just wanted to make sure you had mine.
Yes. definitely check it out -- I never unsubscribed after moving to my permanent gig, and they seem to send 10 emails a week or so looking to staff reviews. If you take one with decent OT you can make a ton and then take time off to travel, etc. in between them.
Most of the big staffing agencies require you to register for consideration for projects, so I would join the Posse List email blast for NYC and reach out to companies staffing with your resume, just to get in their loop. I ended up winding my way into an entire new career field (first to Corp Counsel, then DOE and now as parents' counsel) through my review jobs after I got laid off in the recession of 08. Really saw me through and allowed me to be more selective since I had a good income from.
I also had great luck, was staffed on one case at Cravath for 3.5 years, and the money was absurd. I'll shoot you an email so you can ask me any questions that come up in this area. Good luck. I echo the sentiments of other BBI'ers -- you've done great in your evolution over the past years. You'll find your niche.
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However - I firmly believe that it is much easier to get a job when you have a job and without large resume gaps.
So, if you are looking for paying gigs while you search, take a look at the Posse List and sign up for their email. They send out tons of blasts for document review gigs. Nothing glamorous, but they are a living if you need to make money.
I did it for a time and actually found my way into my area of the law (special education law) by one of their postings.
That's what I fear. That I'll be in No Man's Land in a few weeks, spending my days writing cover letters and applying for jobs.
Posse List? I'll look into it. I did one e-Discovery project to earn a few bucks, which was okay.
BTW, Maximus, I never received an email from you. Just wanted to make sure you had mine.
Yes. definitely check it out -- I never unsubscribed after moving to my permanent gig, and they seem to send 10 emails a week or so looking to staff reviews. If you take one with decent OT you can make a ton and then take time off to travel, etc. in between them.
Most of the big staffing agencies require you to register for consideration for projects, so I would join the Posse List email blast for NYC and reach out to companies staffing with your resume, just to get in their loop. I ended up winding my way into an entire new career field (first to Corp Counsel, then DOE and now as parents' counsel) through my review jobs after I got laid off in the recession of 08. Really saw me through and allowed me to be more selective since I had a good income from.
I also had great luck, was staffed on one case at Cravath for 3.5 years, and the money was absurd. I'll shoot you an email so you can ask me any questions that come up in this area. Good luck. I echo the sentiments of other BBI'ers -- you've done great in your evolution over the past years. You'll find your niche.
Great. I just signed up for the Project Counsel Group Subscription