Ok, now that the playoffs are over and Ovi is in day 5 of a summer long bender figured maybe worth starting draft thread and one for off-season rumors.
I'll start with Brian Wilde's final top 15. I think all of these guy are legit blue-chip prospects.
I disagree with the order, but IMO they're all legit.
Brian Wilde's top 15 prospects.
Brian Wilde
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35m35 minutes ago
My final top 15 Picks
1. Dahlin
2. Svechnikov
3. Zadina
4. Kotkaniemi
5. Tkachuk
6. Hughes
7. Wahlstrom
8. Bouchard
9. Dobson
10. Boqvist
11. Hayton
12. Kupari
13. Miller
14. Smith
15. Berggren
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They love Kotkaniemi in MTL and he writes for recrutes, so he is higher here (justifiably) than some places.
If the Rangers drafted Dobson there I'd say you have a top pair RD to pair with Skjei.
Not Dahlin or Hughes as a skater, but he's got a cannon shot, good size, is a rock defensively and has offensive skill - reminds of a little of Roman Josi.
but this is a ranking not a mock draft. It won't fall this way.
Also found this gem, Kovalchuk is apparently asking for or is expected to get $8M per season? Good luck, whoever signs him at that $$ deserves it if he's awful.
Grant McCagg
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1h1 hour ago
Ilya Kovalchuk...a 35-year-old who has played 32 career NHL playoff games....is going to get what.....$8M per? No thanks.
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Agree completely Andy. Russia too, their goalie against the Czech's was phenomenal (from the highlights I saw). 35 save shut out? Czech's were 0 for 7 on the PP and looked like they had some good chances. US also shut out the Czech's but US outshot the Czech's 40 - 23.
many coaching systems stifle creativity and with it the game loses some attraction
Andrew Zadarnowski
@AZadarski
Alex Kovalev is not a fan of the current NHL game. (source: https://rsport.ria.ru/hockey/20180807/1140178255.html )
Not sure I get that. I think he's got some upside, but is a pretty good to middle of the road player (until proven otherwise) I'd wouldn't extend until I needed to.
Maybe they know something about a big breakout coming.
I like Larkin, hoped he'd shake free, but he loves playing in his hometown.
I like Larkin, hoped he'd shake free, but he loves playing in his hometown.
Interesting. If he keeps improving it'll be a good deal for the last couple of years
HOWEVER, the real takeaway from that game imo is how freakin loaded both programs are at the moment. US hockey pushes Hockey Canada and vice versa. Sweden and Russia also have amazing programs right now too.
A little surprising to me. But I guess he viewed it as they have a lot of roster spots open and he'll get a chance to play a regular shift at 19, instead of going to BU.
He was a polarizing prospect, so I'm looking forward to seeing him play this year. I expect good things, more than some people on here.
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I wish they would just add another rink in Manhattan.
Would certainly make it easier for Arc to switch teams if the Rangers shit the bed for a long time.
My prediction on this, I think the Islanders. Theyre not at a point where the want to rebuild. In Panarin, theres a chance to get that preimere player. Obviously they have the finances to sign him, they can just give him [John] Tavares moneyand I think the Islanders can put together a really good package if they wanted to.
For context on what he'd potentially bring/replace, Tavares averaged 73 points per year for the Islanders when you give him the benefit of excluding the lockout year and the year he was injured in the Olympics. Panarin has averaged 78 points per season over his career, and last year lost Patrick Kane as his centerman and became the first player to have his numbers go up when moving to a Torts-coached team.
Would be a hell of a pick up.
I've read NY and LA are at the top of his list.
No idea if true.
His agent denies it, but agents have about as much credibility on topics like this as the stories.
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My prediction on this, I think the Islanders. Theyre not at a point where the want to rebuild. In Panarin, theres a chance to get that preimere player. Obviously they have the finances to sign him, they can just give him [John] Tavares moneyand I think the Islanders can put together a really good package if they wanted to.
For context on what he'd potentially bring/replace, Tavares averaged 73 points per year for the Islanders when you give him the benefit of excluding the lockout year and the year he was injured in the Olympics. Panarin has averaged 78 points per season over his career, and last year lost Patrick Kane as his centerman and became the first player to have his numbers go up when moving to a Torts-coached team.
Would be a hell of a pick up.
Kane is a rw, not a center.
Love Panarin, but they aren't replacing Tavares' production. Despite butt hurt fans' revisionism, he is an elite center who impacted all 3 zones and made his linemates demonstrably better. There's a half dozen players in the nhl earning contracts they cannot live up to because of him. His zone entries/exits are elite, he is 95th percentile in generating shots off his passes, etc etc. Tulloch has a great article on it.
https://theathletic.com/420713/2018/07/05/even-by-superstar-standards-john-tavares-may-be-underrated-heres-why/
Panarin is one of a handful of guys who can drive a line from the wing, but he isn't as valuable as a top center.
Any deal would be Lee or Eberle, Pulock, and one of Wahlstrom or Bellows, plus a pick. That's really steep.
I've read NY and LA are at the top of his list.
No idea if true.
His agent denies it, but agents have about as much credibility on topics like this as the stories.
Oy PJCAS, you just outed his model GF to his wife!!!!!!
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if you believe this (not sure I do) Panarin's wife or girlfriend (not sure which he has) wants to pursue a modeling career or has a modeling career and he'd like to move to a city that makes it convenient for that to happen.
I've read NY and LA are at the top of his list.
No idea if true.
His agent denies it, but agents have about as much credibility on topics like this as the stories.
Oy PJCAS, you just outed his model GF to his wife!!!!!!
LOL, it wasn't intentional. Seriously I doubt that's in any way true, but it was published, so I shared it. I just really didn't know if he's married or not.
Fourteen players have been added to the roster for the Stars & Stripes Showdown, a benefit hockey game featuring top American-born hockey stars that will take place Sunday, August 26, at USA Hockey Arena in Plymouth, Mich. Opening faceoff is set for 2 p.m. ET.
The group includes Patrick Kane (Chicago Blackhawks), Craig Anderson (Ottawa Senators), Johnny Gaudreau (Calgary Flames), Seth Jones (Columbus Blue Jackets), Jacob Trouba(Winnipeg Jets), Cam Atkinson (Columbus Blue Jackets), Alex DeBrincat (Chicago Blackhawks), Nick Foligno (Columbus Blue Jackets), Cam Fowler (Anaheim Ducks), Matt Hunwick (Buffalo Sabres), Anders Lee (New York Islanders), Patrick Sieloff (Ottawa Senators) and Brady Skjei (New York Rangers).
To see the full list of participating players and coaches, click here.
The game is being played in honor of the late Jim Johannson, with proceeds benefiting both the Jim Johannson Legacy Fund of The USA Hockey Foundation, and the Ellie Johannson College Fund.
In addition to the game, festivities will include a live game-worn jersey auction; an online auction featuring game-worn jerseys and autographed NHL memorabilia; in-arena raffles; and a post-game meet & greet with players and coaches.
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the Islanders are a good for for Panarin.
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My prediction on this, I think the Islanders. Theyre not at a point where the want to rebuild. In Panarin, theres a chance to get that preimere player. Obviously they have the finances to sign him, they can just give him [John] Tavares moneyand I think the Islanders can put together a really good package if they wanted to.
For context on what he'd potentially bring/replace, Tavares averaged 73 points per year for the Islanders when you give him the benefit of excluding the lockout year and the year he was injured in the Olympics. Panarin has averaged 78 points per season over his career, and last year lost Patrick Kane as his centerman and became the first player to have his numbers go up when moving to a Torts-coached team.
Would be a hell of a pick up.
Kane is a rw, not a center.
Love Panarin, but they aren't replacing Tavares' production. Despite butt hurt fans' revisionism, he is an elite center who impacted all 3 zones and made his linemates demonstrably better. There's a half dozen players in the nhl earning contracts they cannot live up to because of him. His zone entries/exits are elite, he is 95th percentile in generating shots off his passes, etc etc. Tulloch has a great article on it.
https://theathletic.com/420713/2018/07/05/even-by-superstar-standards-john-tavares-may-be-underrated-heres-why/
Panarin is one of a handful of guys who can drive a line from the wing, but he isn't as valuable as a top center.
Any deal would be Lee or Eberle, Pulock, and one of Wahlstrom or Bellows, plus a pick. That's really steep.
I don't think the price would be that much, unless he was allowed to put the parameters together for a long term deal before the trade and even then I don't think it would be that high
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the Islanders are a good for for Panarin.
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My prediction on this, I think the Islanders. Theyre not at a point where the want to rebuild. In Panarin, theres a chance to get that preimere player. Obviously they have the finances to sign him, they can just give him [John] Tavares moneyand I think the Islanders can put together a really good package if they wanted to.
For context on what he'd potentially bring/replace, Tavares averaged 73 points per year for the Islanders when you give him the benefit of excluding the lockout year and the year he was injured in the Olympics. Panarin has averaged 78 points per season over his career, and last year lost Patrick Kane as his centerman and became the first player to have his numbers go up when moving to a Torts-coached team.
Would be a hell of a pick up.
Kane is a rw, not a center.
Love Panarin, but they aren't replacing Tavares' production. Despite butt hurt fans' revisionism, he is an elite center who impacted all 3 zones and made his linemates demonstrably better. There's a half dozen players in the nhl earning contracts they cannot live up to because of him. His zone entries/exits are elite, he is 95th percentile in generating shots off his passes, etc etc. Tulloch has a great article on it.
https://theathletic.com/420713/2018/07/05/even-by-superstar-standards-john-tavares-may-be-underrated-heres-why/
Panarin is one of a handful of guys who can drive a line from the wing, but he isn't as valuable as a top center.
Any deal would be Lee or Eberle, Pulock, and one of Wahlstrom or Bellows, plus a pick. That's really steep.
I think Tavares is going to put up ~100 points in TOR.
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the Islanders are a good for for Panarin.
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My prediction on this, I think the Islanders. Theyre not at a point where the want to rebuild. In Panarin, theres a chance to get that preimere player. Obviously they have the finances to sign him, they can just give him [John] Tavares moneyand I think the Islanders can put together a really good package if they wanted to.
For context on what he'd potentially bring/replace, Tavares averaged 73 points per year for the Islanders when you give him the benefit of excluding the lockout year and the year he was injured in the Olympics. Panarin has averaged 78 points per season over his career, and last year lost Patrick Kane as his centerman and became the first player to have his numbers go up when moving to a Torts-coached team.
Would be a hell of a pick up.
Kane is a rw, not a center.
Love Panarin, but they aren't replacing Tavares' production. Despite butt hurt fans' revisionism, he is an elite center who impacted all 3 zones and made his linemates demonstrably better. There's a half dozen players in the nhl earning contracts they cannot live up to because of him. His zone entries/exits are elite, he is 95th percentile in generating shots off his passes, etc etc. Tulloch has a great article on it.
https://theathletic.com/420713/2018/07/05/even-by-superstar-standards-john-tavares-may-be-underrated-heres-why/
Panarin is one of a handful of guys who can drive a line from the wing, but he isn't as valuable as a top center.
Any deal would be Lee or Eberle, Pulock, and one of Wahlstrom or Bellows, plus a pick. That's really steep.
I think Tavares is going to put up ~100 points in TOR.
Beer bet he doesn't get over 90?
Tavares will crack 100 points IMO. I'd take that bet.
and Panarin is a good player, but as mentioned, he's not a C. They were talking about him to Montreal and the craziness I heard was Pacioretty, Mete, a 1st round pick, plus.
No idea who makes this shit up, at that price I'd keep Pacioretty. Both LW's, both are slated to be FA's after the season and while Max is not the smooth skating offense force that Panarisn is, Pacioretty is much better on the PK and Max is one of a handful of current players to have 5 consecutive non-strike shortened seasons of 30+ goals.
And Max is just 3 years older, if Panarin was 21 and had his track record maybe we'll talk, but at 27, I don't think so.
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the Islanders are a good for for Panarin.
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My prediction on this, I think the Islanders. Theyre not at a point where the want to rebuild. In Panarin, theres a chance to get that preimere player. Obviously they have the finances to sign him, they can just give him [John] Tavares moneyand I think the Islanders can put together a really good package if they wanted to.
For context on what he'd potentially bring/replace, Tavares averaged 73 points per year for the Islanders when you give him the benefit of excluding the lockout year and the year he was injured in the Olympics. Panarin has averaged 78 points per season over his career, and last year lost Patrick Kane as his centerman and became the first player to have his numbers go up when moving to a Torts-coached team.
Would be a hell of a pick up.
Kane is a rw, not a center.
Love Panarin, but they aren't replacing Tavares' production. Despite butt hurt fans' revisionism, he is an elite center who impacted all 3 zones and made his linemates demonstrably better. There's a half dozen players in the nhl earning contracts they cannot live up to because of him. His zone entries/exits are elite, he is 95th percentile in generating shots off his passes, etc etc. Tulloch has a great article on it.
https://theathletic.com/420713/2018/07/05/even-by-superstar-standards-john-tavares-may-be-underrated-heres-why/
Panarin is one of a handful of guys who can drive a line from the wing, but he isn't as valuable as a top center.
Any deal would be Lee or Eberle, Pulock, and one of Wahlstrom or Bellows, plus a pick. That's really steep.
I think Tavares is going to put up ~100 points in TOR.
Beer bet he doesn't get over 90?
Sure. Can I get a mulligan if he plays <75 games or something due to injury?
I'm a big Tavares fan. I'm not an Athletic subscriber so I didn't read the article, but I agree that he's underrated.
I think Tavares is going to put up ~100 points in TOR.
Beer bet he doesn't get over 90?
Sure. Can I get a mulligan if he plays <75 games or something due to injury?
I'm a big Tavares fan. I'm not an Athletic subscriber so I didn't read the article, but I agree that he's underrated.
Ya, why not. He's definitely underrated around the league. I don't know how well he'll handle the Tor media/pressure though and you can always tell when JT was holding the stick just a little too tight trying to make things happen.
IIRC, wasn't he pretty good against us in the playoffs a few years ago?
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IIRC, wasn't he pretty good against us in the playoffs a few years ago?
He had one good game after Kreider collided with Price effectively ending the series.
He's a decent enough backup. Could do worse.
(Kidding, I don't care about this discussion)
Top 20 NHL wings list... I think it's awful:
I miss real sports.
Face reality - no one cares about Anders Lee
I care, Greg. Dammit, I care. And I'm someone.
And keep in mind, Owens is 44 and has I believe had multiple knee surgeries.
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According to Sport-Express, David Desharnais will "most likely" continue in the KHL with Avangard Omsk after being released from his contract by Lokomotiv Yaroslavl.
His play on the wing was described as "a pity to watch".
Sigh. It's so hard to be this popular year in and year out. Every player's #1 destination :)
he and his agent have allegedly debunked this.
he and his agent have allegedly debunked this.
Heard that too, but at the same time we see year in and year out that players want to play for the Rangers. It's the most popular organization in the NHL. Just how it is.
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Not just New York. The New York RANGERS. :)
If only the Knicks could be as popular as the Rangers...thanks a lot for your meddling, Dolan
Can't wait for the next Brad Richards, Chris Drury, or Scott Gomez signing.
It really worked out well for you that Kovalchuck wanted to play for the Rangers. As did Tavares.
I am sure there are more too.
It is definitely better to be a desirable location than not, but I wouldn't overrate the allure.
in 99% of cases $$ talks.
Can't wait for the next Brad Richards, Chris Drury, or Scott Gomez signing.
It really worked out well for you that Kovalchuck wanted to play for the Rangers. As did Tavares.
Tavares didn't, but Kovalchuk did. We just weren't interested.