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NFT: NHL Draft and Offseason Discussion

pjcas18 : 6/12/2018 8:47 am
Ok, now that the playoffs are over and Ovi is in day 5 of a summer long bender figured maybe worth starting draft thread and one for off-season rumors.

I'll start with Brian Wilde's final top 15. I think all of these guy are legit blue-chip prospects.

I disagree with the order, but IMO they're all legit.

Brian Wilde's top 15 prospects.

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Brian Wilde
& #8207; @BWildeRecrutes
35m35 minutes ago

My final top 15 Picks

1. Dahlin
2. Svechnikov
3. Zadina
4. Kotkaniemi
5. Tkachuk
6. Hughes
7. Wahlstrom
8. Bouchard
9. Dobson
10. Boqvist
11. Hayton
12. Kupari
13. Miller
14. Smith
15. Berggren


They love Kotkaniemi in MTL and he writes for recrutes, so he is higher here (justifiably) than some places.

If the Rangers drafted Dobson there I'd say you have a top pair RD to pair with Skjei.

Not Dahlin or Hughes as a skater, but he's got a cannon shot, good size, is a rock defensively and has offensive skill - reminds of a little of Roman Josi.

but this is a ranking not a mock draft. It won't fall this way.

Also found this gem, Kovalchuk is apparently asking for or is expected to get $8M per season? Good luck, whoever signs him at that $$ deserves it if he's awful.

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Grant McCagg
& #8207; @grantmccagg
1h1 hour ago

Ilya Kovalchuk...a 35-year-old who has played 32 career NHL playoff games....is going to get what.....$8M per? No thanks.

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Gortons track record is strong  
Torrag : 6/23/2018 11:32 am : link
I won't knock either this pick or the Lias Anderson so called 'reach' until we see them at MSG vs NHL opposition and show they can't live up to their draft status. Stay the course and support this youth movement.
RE: Hockeyprospects.com  
ColHowPepper : 6/23/2018 11:33 am : link
In comment 13998095 JPinstripes said:
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had the Rangers three 1st round selections ranked as follows;

6. Kravtsov
16. Lundvkist
20. Miller Hockeyprospects.cpm top 31 - ( New Window )
As with all these post-draft reviews in every major sport, so much subjectivity and decidedly different viewpoints on most players beyond the top 10 or 15. Kravtsov is one who excites quite different assessments, perhaps in part because he's a KHL guy? As with most on this thread, Wahlstrom would have been the preferred pick.

On Lundkvist, smallish at 5'11" but JPinstripes service has him ranked ahead of Miller, presumably because latter is raw as a D.

stufftherun empathizes with Henrik playing through this long term rebuild: it is what it is and maybe he should throw his weight behind it, in various ways. But he likely won't.
Taking the Badger:  
Jon in NYC : 6/23/2018 11:36 am : link
Always smart.
and Isles land Bode Wilde  
ColHowPepper : 6/23/2018 11:39 am : link
who appears on Anak's list
I hate the idea of taking a goalie in the first few rounds  
Anakim : 6/23/2018 11:47 am : link
It rarely works out. The NHL has shown you can win with a goalie you get later on.
Really love  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 11:53 am : link
Buffalo, Detroit, and the Islanders drafts so far.

but mainly because I know the players they drafted.
RE: Really love  
Anakim : 6/23/2018 11:54 am : link
In comment 13998162 pjcas18 said:
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Buffalo, Detroit, and the Islanders drafts so far.

but mainly because I know the players they drafted.



That's my criteria as well. Haha
Another quality pick it looks like from Lou  
The 12th Man : 6/23/2018 12:02 pm : link
Have to love these 1st 3 picks, the 4th pick, this kid is very small do not know much about him, looks like he is going to be playing in U Conn this year. Scored over 40 goals 2 years ago. Only had 6 last year. Here is where some of the rankings had him. Looks like trying to catch lightning.

Ranked #57 by HOCKEYPROSPECT.COM

Ranked #128 by FUTURE CONSIDERATIONS

Ranked #102 by ISS HOCKEY

Ranked #68 by MCKEEN'S HOCKEY

Ranked #31 by NHL CENTRAL SCOUTING (EU Skaters)

Ranked #87 by TSN/McKenzie
.  
Anakim : 6/23/2018 12:10 pm : link
Steve Kournianos


@TheDraftAnalyst

Rangers at 70 take defender Jacob Ragnarsson. Marcus's kid. Good size and overall game. Nothing flashy but plays aggressive and can put up points
Islanders lother than their 2nd pick in the 2nd round  
The 12th Man : 6/23/2018 12:16 pm : link
they are drafting definitely BPA. Jakub Skarek 54th best rated prospect Islanders grab him at 72. Another solid value pick. Bode being ranked 18th and getting him at 41 is unbelievable.
Re Ranger's Miller  
Jay in Toronto : 6/23/2018 12:19 pm : link
In talking about Emberson NHL draft coverage commented on the Badgers' ability to develop Dmen. Good news in terms of Miller.
Less than I expected  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 12:24 pm : link
but still a lot for a 35-year old who hasn't played in the NHL in 6 years.

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Bob McKenzie
‏Verified account @TSNBobMcKenzie
56m56 minutes ago

Kovalchuk deal is three years with an AAV of $6.25M. Same as Patrick Marleau.
I agree with Wilde here  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 12:29 pm : link
and these two may not start out together as a D pairing, Samuelsson may need a year, but eventually these guys could play a long time alongside each other.

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Jourdon LaBarber
‏ @JourdonLaBarber
39m39 minutes ago

Islanders draftee Bode Wilde on Mattias Samuelsson:

“They’re getting a guy who will complement Dahlin pretty well. I can just imagine those two playing together. Mattias will definitely lock it up defensively and shut down and allow a guy like Dahlin to have a bit of freedom.”
The Blackhawks drafted Spiccoli  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 12:35 pm : link
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Mark Lazerus
‏Verified account @MarkLazerus

I asked Niklas Nordgren how he's able to be so productive (15 goals in 17 games with the Finnish U-18 team) despite his lack of size.

"I don't know."
Man, no player trades in either the NBA or NHL Draft  
Anakim : 6/23/2018 1:07 pm : link
Boooooo!
Maybe JT staying isn't as done a deal as many thought  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 1:13 pm : link
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Kathryn Tappen
‏Verified account @KathrynTappen
16s16 seconds ago

John Tavares will use the UFA speaking period to chat with 5 other teams...😬
As expected, he'd be a fool to wait this long and not entertain offers  
Diversify yo bonds : 6/23/2018 1:17 pm : link
Staple reporting it's SJ, Dallas, and Toronto definite, and two other teams(possibly Vegas and TB) . St Louis is out.

He'll re-sign but they're going to make Lou sweat.
.  
arcarsenal : 6/23/2018 1:23 pm : link
I've warmed to the Kravtsov pick a bit. What he did in the KHL playoffs at his age was pretty impressive. They're trying to hit this one over the fence and get a star instead of play it safe. It'll suck if he doesn't pan out, but I can understand the logic. He'll need time to develop, so we won't reap immediate benefits here. But I don't hate it.
This is what happens though  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 1:23 pm : link
when you don't lock someone up when you have the chance.

You can say it's expected, but the more teams he meets with the better the chance he falls in love with one of them.

Big risk and I know it's a regime change, but poor management by NYI.
RE: This is what happens though  
Diversify yo bonds : 6/23/2018 1:28 pm : link
In comment 13998208 pjcas18 said:
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when you don't lock someone up when you have the chance.

You can say it's expected, but the more teams he meets with the better the chance he falls in love with one of them.

Big risk and I know it's a regime change, but poor management by NYI.
Duh. Not to be curt but this has been discussed ad nauseum for two years in islander internet circles. It's abysmal asset management to lose him for nothing, but that ship sailed under Snow.

The x factor is the growing concern that his fiancee is a Yoko. Wants west coast or Canada.
Fascinating to see how the NHL has changed. So far the Rangers have  
yatqb : 6/23/2018 1:28 pm : link
taken only Europeans and Americans in this draft.
RE: Fascinating to see how the NHL has changed. So far the Rangers have  
Anakim : 6/23/2018 1:32 pm : link
In comment 13998212 yatqb said:
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taken only Europeans and Americans in this draft.


We also don't have a lot of Canadians on the roster. Spooner (who probably won't return), Gilmour (who may not return), and Marc Staal (who shouldn't return)


Howden and Ronning look pretty good, though
Islanders draft a guy  
Mike in NY : 6/23/2018 1:32 pm : link
Named Blade
RE: Fascinating to see how the NHL has changed. So far the Rangers have  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 1:33 pm : link
In comment 13998212 yatqb said:
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taken only Europeans and Americans in this draft.


and look at the sizes.

Montreal has taken 11 players so far and only 2 over 6 feet.

They've drafted 3 C's 5'11 or lower.


14 D were drafted in round 1. only 5 greater than 6 feet.

I chuckle when 6' 200 lb guys are "power forwards"  
Diversify yo bonds : 6/23/2018 1:38 pm : link
A far cry from the 90s and early aughts
Big trade going down  
Anakim : 6/23/2018 1:39 pm : link
Bob McKenzie

Looks like CGY and CAR are in Central Registry finalizing a trade. Big deal. Elias Lindholm involved. Noah Hanifin too
RE: Big trade going down  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 1:41 pm : link
In comment 13998221 Anakim said:
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Bob McKenzie

Looks like CGY and CAR are in Central Registry finalizing a trade. Big deal. Elias Lindholm involved. Noah Hanifin too


Both Lindholm and Hanifin? Maybe for Dougie Hamilton and Sam Bennett?
I have a message from the heavens.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/23/2018 1:41 pm : link
"Can you please tell those fucks Barry Trotz never made it out of the second round until last year and Lou has been a grease stain since the cap was introduced?"

Also that Anak is going to be the Giants GM, while also having the time to watch every 17 year old hockey player and college basketball player.
RE: RE: Big trade going down  
Anakim : 6/23/2018 1:42 pm : link
In comment 13998223 pjcas18 said:
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In comment 13998221 Anakim said:


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Bob McKenzie

Looks like CGY and CAR are in Central Registry finalizing a trade. Big deal. Elias Lindholm involved. Noah Hanifin too



Both Lindholm and Hanifin? Maybe for Dougie Hamilton and Sam Bennett?


That would still be a coup for the Flames
Dougie Hamilton to Carolina  
Anakim : 6/23/2018 1:44 pm : link
Adam Fox too (rumored to be a Rangers target)
Maybe give an edge  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 1:45 pm : link
to CAL, but it's sort of like shuffling the deck chairs.

not that any players are bad in the trade, but Hanifin is younger but not better than Hamilton and Lindholm is probably a little better than Bennett (and a few years older), but both are probably 3C's maybe 2C for Lindholm - but not by a lot.

My point is it's a change of scenery trade and probably money relief to CAL.

RE: Dougie Hamilton to Carolina  
Anakim : 6/23/2018 1:46 pm : link
In comment 13998227 Anakim said:
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Adam Fox too (rumored to be a Rangers target)


Bob McKenzie

Verified account

@TSNBobMcKenzie

Hamilton, Ferland and Fox heading to Carolina.
RE: RE: Dougie Hamilton to Carolina  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 1:47 pm : link
In comment 13998229 Anakim said:
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In comment 13998227 Anakim said:


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Adam Fox too (rumored to be a Rangers target)



Bob McKenzie

Verified account

@TSNBobMcKenzie

Hamilton, Ferland and Fox heading to Carolina.


For Hanifin+?
Hanifin  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 1:48 pm : link
and Lindholm.

Pretty even trade.
Orpik waived  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 1:52 pm : link
by Av's.

I love this attitude. I hate that MTL passed on this kid.

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"When I'm going to play against Montreal and Ottawa, I'm going to want to fill the net to show them that they haven't made the right decision"-Filip Zadina.
RE: RE: Dougie Hamilton to Carolina  
Anakim : 6/23/2018 1:53 pm : link
In comment 13998229 Anakim said:
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In comment 13998227 Anakim said:


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Adam Fox too (rumored to be a Rangers target)



Bob McKenzie

Verified account

@TSNBobMcKenzie

Hamilton, Ferland and Fox heading to Carolina.



Not as bad as I thought, but I think the Flames win this one
If Fox  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 1:55 pm : link
doesn't sign, the Flames win it by a lot. the Harvard kids are always a risk IMO, because so many want to graduate.

Once they graduate why not test FA.
RE: As expected, he'd be a fool to wait this long and not entertain offers  
The 12th Man : 6/23/2018 1:55 pm : link
In comment 13998205 Diversify yo bonds said:
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Staple reporting it's SJ, Dallas, and Toronto definite, and two other teams(possibly Vegas and TB) . St Louis is out.

He'll re-sign but they're going to make Lou sweat.


The Rangers are not one of the finalists.:)

Get this done and move on or trade his rights and move on.

We need to move on, not very concerned by the teams in that list other than Toronto.
RE: If Fox  
Anakim : 6/23/2018 1:57 pm : link
In comment 13998236 pjcas18 said:
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doesn't sign, the Flames win it by a lot. the Harvard kids are always a risk IMO, because so many want to graduate.

Once they graduate why not test FA.


Yep. And while Dougie may be the best player in the trade as it stands right now, you have to wonder why he's on this third NHL team.
That seems to be it for the Rangers  
Anakim : 6/23/2018 2:21 pm : link
Six Defensemen, two wingers, and a goalie in nine picks for the Rangers. No Canadians. No Centers. 4 Swedes.
Devils had an ok draft  
Jay on the Island : 6/23/2018 2:34 pm : link
Ty Smith in the first round was a great pick and he should go well in the future with Butcher, Severson, and Walsh.

Adding D Xavier Bernard in the 4th was a great move. He is 6'3 and 203. He is reportedly an excellent skater and passer who loves to hit people. His offensive game is developing but he didn't get a lot of PP time in juniors. He has a booming slap shot so he should produce more once he receives some power play time. The Devils desperately need size on the blue line and this kid brings it. Hopefully he will continue to develop an offensive game because scouts say he has top 4 upside.
...  
Jay on the Island : 6/23/2018 2:39 pm : link
Pacioretty might be heading to SJ
RE: ...  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 2:55 pm : link
In comment 13998258 Jay on the Island said:
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Pacioretty might be heading to SJ


Friedman says no. At least not until they meet with JT
Pacioretty  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 3:13 pm : link
fired his agent. LOL. Not sure if it's because he didn't get traded, didn't get an extension (yet), or other reason. 2nd time he's fired agents.
Minor note  
Jay on the Island : 6/23/2018 3:21 pm : link
Liam Kirk went to 189th overall. Kirk is the first England-born and developed-in-England player.
Will be interesting to see  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 3:40 pm : link
if we ever learn the reason.

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Allan Walsh
‏Verified account @walsha
37m37 minutes ago

We are proud announce that Max Pacioretty of the Montreal Canadiens is now a client of Octagon.
Rangers traded back in  
Phil in LA : 6/23/2018 3:57 pm : link
For prep winger Riley Hughes.
Next couple  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 4:16 pm : link
weeks really busy:

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HockeyStatMiner
‏ @HockeyStatMiner
1m1 minute ago

So what's next in the NHL offseason, you ask?
via @CapFriendly:


RE: Orpik waived  
ColHowPepper : 6/23/2018 4:20 pm : link
Huh, well, he did have his wtf moments in SCF
...  
Jay on the Island : 6/23/2018 5:33 pm : link
Philipp Grubauer signed a 3 year $10 million dollar extension with Colorado.
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