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pjcas18 : 6/12/2018 8:47 am
Ok, now that the playoffs are over and Ovi is in day 5 of a summer long bender figured maybe worth starting draft thread and one for off-season rumors.

I'll start with Brian Wilde's final top 15. I think all of these guy are legit blue-chip prospects.

I disagree with the order, but IMO they're all legit.

Brian Wilde's top 15 prospects.

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Brian Wilde
& #8207; @BWildeRecrutes
35m35 minutes ago

My final top 15 Picks

1. Dahlin
2. Svechnikov
3. Zadina
4. Kotkaniemi
5. Tkachuk
6. Hughes
7. Wahlstrom
8. Bouchard
9. Dobson
10. Boqvist
11. Hayton
12. Kupari
13. Miller
14. Smith
15. Berggren


They love Kotkaniemi in MTL and he writes for recrutes, so he is higher here (justifiably) than some places.

If the Rangers drafted Dobson there I'd say you have a top pair RD to pair with Skjei.

Not Dahlin or Hughes as a skater, but he's got a cannon shot, good size, is a rock defensively and has offensive skill - reminds of a little of Roman Josi.

but this is a ranking not a mock draft. It won't fall this way.

Also found this gem, Kovalchuk is apparently asking for or is expected to get $8M per season? Good luck, whoever signs him at that $$ deserves it if he's awful.

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Grant McCagg
& #8207; @grantmccagg
1h1 hour ago

Ilya Kovalchuk...a 35-year-old who has played 32 career NHL playoff games....is going to get what.....$8M per? No thanks.

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RE: RE: Dougie Hamilton to Carolina  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 1:47 pm : link
In comment 13998229 Anakim said:
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In comment 13998227 Anakim said:


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Adam Fox too (rumored to be a Rangers target)



Bob McKenzie

Verified account

@TSNBobMcKenzie

Hamilton, Ferland and Fox heading to Carolina.


For Hanifin+?
Hanifin  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 1:48 pm : link
and Lindholm.

Pretty even trade.
Orpik waived  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 1:52 pm : link
by Av's.

I love this attitude. I hate that MTL passed on this kid.

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"When I'm going to play against Montreal and Ottawa, I'm going to want to fill the net to show them that they haven't made the right decision"-Filip Zadina.
RE: RE: Dougie Hamilton to Carolina  
Anakim : 6/23/2018 1:53 pm : link
In comment 13998229 Anakim said:
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In comment 13998227 Anakim said:


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Adam Fox too (rumored to be a Rangers target)



Bob McKenzie

Verified account

@TSNBobMcKenzie

Hamilton, Ferland and Fox heading to Carolina.



Not as bad as I thought, but I think the Flames win this one
If Fox  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 1:55 pm : link
doesn't sign, the Flames win it by a lot. the Harvard kids are always a risk IMO, because so many want to graduate.

Once they graduate why not test FA.
RE: As expected, he'd be a fool to wait this long and not entertain offers  
The 12th Man : 6/23/2018 1:55 pm : link
In comment 13998205 Diversify yo bonds said:
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Staple reporting it's SJ, Dallas, and Toronto definite, and two other teams(possibly Vegas and TB) . St Louis is out.

He'll re-sign but they're going to make Lou sweat.


The Rangers are not one of the finalists.:)

Get this done and move on or trade his rights and move on.

We need to move on, not very concerned by the teams in that list other than Toronto.
RE: If Fox  
Anakim : 6/23/2018 1:57 pm : link
In comment 13998236 pjcas18 said:
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doesn't sign, the Flames win it by a lot. the Harvard kids are always a risk IMO, because so many want to graduate.

Once they graduate why not test FA.


Yep. And while Dougie may be the best player in the trade as it stands right now, you have to wonder why he's on this third NHL team.
That seems to be it for the Rangers  
Anakim : 6/23/2018 2:21 pm : link
Six Defensemen, two wingers, and a goalie in nine picks for the Rangers. No Canadians. No Centers. 4 Swedes.
Devils had an ok draft  
Jay on the Island : 6/23/2018 2:34 pm : link
Ty Smith in the first round was a great pick and he should go well in the future with Butcher, Severson, and Walsh.

Adding D Xavier Bernard in the 4th was a great move. He is 6'3 and 203. He is reportedly an excellent skater and passer who loves to hit people. His offensive game is developing but he didn't get a lot of PP time in juniors. He has a booming slap shot so he should produce more once he receives some power play time. The Devils desperately need size on the blue line and this kid brings it. Hopefully he will continue to develop an offensive game because scouts say he has top 4 upside.
...  
Jay on the Island : 6/23/2018 2:39 pm : link
Pacioretty might be heading to SJ
RE: ...  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 2:55 pm : link
In comment 13998258 Jay on the Island said:
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Pacioretty might be heading to SJ


Friedman says no. At least not until they meet with JT
Pacioretty  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 3:13 pm : link
fired his agent. LOL. Not sure if it's because he didn't get traded, didn't get an extension (yet), or other reason. 2nd time he's fired agents.
Minor note  
Jay on the Island : 6/23/2018 3:21 pm : link
Liam Kirk went to 189th overall. Kirk is the first England-born and developed-in-England player.
Will be interesting to see  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 3:40 pm : link
if we ever learn the reason.

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Allan Walsh
‏Verified account @walsha
37m37 minutes ago

We are proud announce that Max Pacioretty of the Montreal Canadiens is now a client of Octagon.
Rangers traded back in  
Phil in LA : 6/23/2018 3:57 pm : link
For prep winger Riley Hughes.
Next couple  
pjcas18 : 6/23/2018 4:16 pm : link
weeks really busy:

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HockeyStatMiner
‏ @HockeyStatMiner
1m1 minute ago

So what's next in the NHL offseason, you ask?
via @CapFriendly:


RE: Orpik waived  
ColHowPepper : 6/23/2018 4:20 pm : link
Huh, well, he did have his wtf moments in SCF
...  
Jay on the Island : 6/23/2018 5:33 pm : link
Philipp Grubauer signed a 3 year $10 million dollar extension with Colorado.
.  
Anakim : 6/24/2018 6:15 pm : link
Bob McKenzie

Verified account

@TSNBobMcKenzie

John Carlson on verge of re-signing in WSH. 8 year deal.
8  
pjcas18 : 6/24/2018 7:23 pm : link
years 64M for Carlson. I like him, but that seems like a lot.
RE: 8  
Anakim : 6/24/2018 7:34 pm : link
In comment 13998919 pjcas18 said:
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years 64M for Carlson. I like him, but that seems like a lot.


Karlsson's ears just perked up
RE: 8  
arcarsenal : 6/24/2018 7:40 pm : link
In comment 13998919 pjcas18 said:
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years 64M for Carlson. I like him, but that seems like a lot.


Wowzers. That's a lot of coin.

I didn't realize Carlson had a 68 point year - but still, way above his career norms. If he's that player going forward, it's not a bad deal. But if he reverts to his career numbers... egh.
Tavares teams revealed  
pjcas18 : 6/25/2018 11:32 am : link
The Bruins? F-me. With Bergeron and Krejci there, adding JT would practically had them the cup. C's most important position to win cups.

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Islanders C John Tavares' highly-anticipated interview period begins on Tuesday, and many organizations are lining up to talk to the top free agent on the market.

Along with the Isles, the Stars, Maple Leafs, Sharks, and Lightning are meeting with the 27-year-old center between today and Wednesday, per TSN's Darren Dreger. There will also be phone conversations with 2-3 teams, including the Bruins, that could potentially lead to in-person meetings.

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PJ  
Jay in Toronto : 6/25/2018 11:45 am : link
we'll both have guys on the Badgers next year :)
RE: PJ  
pjcas18 : 6/25/2018 11:57 am : link
In comment 13999232 Jay in Toronto said:
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we'll both have guys on the Badgers next year :)


the home town kid. I love he's playing for Granato. I think Gorniak can have a future. And he's in the right place to develop.

You want to see the bounds of hockey height tested watch Cole Caufield as a Badger commit. He was 5' 6" in the WJC, and he was excellent. Can a 5' 6" player excel at advanced levels? I don't know anymore. He could grow too of course.

I also liked Alex Turcotte, another freshman recruit at Wisconsin from the USNDT.

Canadiens  
pjcas18 : 6/25/2018 7:03 pm : link
did not tender Zach Fucale. Another argument against drafting a goalie early (pick #36). this kid was all world at 17/18, now he's an AHL backup, maybe even ECHL at 23.



As good as last week was to be an isles fan  
Metnut : 6/25/2018 7:06 pm : link
this week will be as awful. Best to avoid Twitter/news sites as much as possible and wait and hope for the best over the weekend.
Some notable players  
pjcas18 : 6/26/2018 9:29 am : link
who did not receive QO's making then free agents.

Lehner, Mrazek, Duclair, DSP, Rieder

NOTE: The Boston Bruins, Chicago Blackhawks, Colorado Avalanche, Detroit Red Wings, Pittsburgh Penguins and Vegas Golden Knights have not announced who received qualifying offers.
Rangers should look to bring back Duclair.  
BrettNYG10 : 6/26/2018 9:43 am : link
He's clearly not going to be what we all thought when we traded him, but he still has potential to be a top-nine piece. He's only 22.
Seems weird that Duclair is still only 22  
Greg from LI : 6/26/2018 9:56 am : link
Arizona hasn't exactly been aces at developing talent, so sure, kick the tires.
There's a reason Duclair didn't get drafted higher and has been a  
yatqb : 6/26/2018 11:54 am : link
failure so far. Strong pass on a rebuilding team, imo.
As a depth guy I don't  
pjcas18 : 6/26/2018 12:01 pm : link
think there's anything wrong Duclair. Some players take a little longer to develop their NHL game. And like Eli says "you can't teach speed".

He's not a fit on MTL, they're all set with fast, small, forwards who haven't reached their potential.

Tavares odds per Wyshinski

Islanders: 2:1
Sharks: 3:1
Lightning: 7:1
Leafs: 10:1
Stars: 12:1
Preds: 15:1
Bruins: 20:1
Vegas: 25:1

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Isles  
KWhite2250 : 6/26/2018 12:25 pm : link
Had a deal for Pacioretty with 1 of the draft picks but backed off when the board fell their way
According to  
KWhite2250 : 6/26/2018 12:27 pm : link
This
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It's almost  
pjcas18 : 6/26/2018 12:28 pm : link
like MTL is trying to become more unlikable.

I normally take a root for laundry approach with all sports, but Voynov is a rare piece of shit I couldn't be happy about signing.

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L.A. Lariviere
‏ @L_A_theRiver

Confirming MTL has expressed interest for D Slava Voynov. Delicate situation. Has a court date July 2 in California for a pardon. NHL will then take the steps to decide on reinstating him. Or not. #Habs #LAKings #KHL
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2cents : 6/26/2018 1:00 pm : link
In comment 13999946 KWhite2250 said:
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Wow this is huge news, speaks volumes on how isles brass viewed the two guys they drafted 11 & 12 would love to see Lou follow up on this and still find a way to land him.
I wanted Dobson at #4 for Ottawa, and would not have been upset  
Andy in Halifax : 6/26/2018 1:13 pm : link
with Wahlstrom either. I think the Isles made out like bandits in that opening round.
RE: According to  
pjcas18 : 6/26/2018 1:15 pm : link
In comment 13999946 KWhite2250 said:
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I'm sort of glad it worked out this way, I think ROR, while a good center, is expensive and not going to be a huge difference maker in MTL.

The trade would have been a mistake for MTL - especially depending on "the other pieces"
I heard on NHLN character  
pjcas18 : 6/26/2018 1:23 pm : link
concerns lead to Wilde dropping.

I didn't hear specifically any details, but explains some of his fall.

I know he was left off the Summer Showcase roster (pre-cut down), but never heard why. he also de-committed from Michigan and didn't hear any explanation for that either. Could play in the OHL or even Islanders next year if he makes the team.

The Summer Showcase is end of July and a lot of recent draft picks play in it as do 2019 draft eligibles (like Jack Hughes). Good tourney to watch to see some of the young guys.

K'Andre Miller from the Rangers is on the roster, as is Wahlstrom (not sure who from the roster will actually play yet).

the roster still has 40 or so players. I don't think the US will have two teams, last year I think Canada had two teams.
lightning sign JT  
JayBinQueens : 6/26/2018 2:45 pm : link
Miller... 5 years $5mil+/year
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Fair contract  
pjcas18 : 6/26/2018 2:49 pm : link
for him, always liked him, always on my list of breakout candidates, always disappoints.

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Pierre LeBrun
‏Verified account @PierreVLeBrun
25s26 seconds ago

Year by year compensation for JT Miller in his new deal: $5.25M, $6M, $4.5M, $6M, $4.5M
hat just made it tougher for  
The 12th Man : 6/26/2018 3:06 pm : link
Tampa to sign Tavares
Gary Bettman  
pjcas18 : 6/26/2018 3:08 pm : link
going into the Hockey Hall of Fame.

Builders category.

Has anyone ever been booed their entire HOF acceptance speech?

he's one of the most universally detested commissioners I can remember. Him and Goodell.

Other HOF notes  
pjcas18 : 6/26/2018 3:17 pm : link
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Scott Morrison
‏Verified account @morrisonSNET
1m1 minute ago

2018 Hockey Hall of Fame Class: Martin Brodeur, Jayna Hefford, Martin St. Louis, Alexander Yakushev and builders Gary Bettman & Willie O'Ree



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Dan Rosen
‏Verified account @drosennhl
41s41 seconds ago

Who didn't make the Hall of Fame this year: Daniel Alfredsson, Curtis Joseph, Boris Mikhailov, Theo Fleury, Jeremy Roenick, Alexander Mogilny, Steve Larmer.


Feel like Roenick belongs.
Starting to read  
pjcas18 : 6/27/2018 9:01 am : link
quite a bit of speculation about Tavares to the Lightning.

Holy shit. Would be close to the NHL version of a super team.

Stamos
Kucherov
Tavares

Hedman
Vasilevsky
McDonagh

Might be as dominant as the Gretzky Oilers.

Hope it doesn't happen.


Also heard Plekanec back to the Habs. Could have predicted that one.
RE: Gary Bettman  
Greg from LI : 6/27/2018 9:18 am : link
In comment 14000057 pjcas18 said:
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going into the Hockey Hall of Fame.

Builders category.

Has anyone ever been booed their entire HOF acceptance speech?

he's one of the most universally detested commissioners I can remember. Him and Goodell.


Never gets old
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RE: Starting to read  
figgy2989 : 6/27/2018 9:28 am : link
In comment 14000567 pjcas18 said:
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quite a bit of speculation about Tavares to the Lightning.

Holy shit. Would be close to the NHL version of a super team.

Stamos
Kucherov
Tavares

Hedman
Vasilevsky
McDonagh

Might be as dominant as the Gretzky Oilers.

Hope it doesn't happen.


Also heard Plekanec back to the Habs. Could have predicted that one.


That would be good news for the Rangers. If TB wins the cup, the conditional 2nd would turn into a first rounder in 2019. That would be three straight years of having multiple first round picks. Not bad when you consider Sather used to trade them away like they were tic tacs.
Not sure who is more hated by the fans  
pjcas18 : 6/27/2018 9:29 am : link
Goodell or Bettman.

The last pick in the first round  
pjcas18 : 6/27/2018 9:53 am : link
is obviously better than the last pick in the 2nd round, but I hesitate to call this good news for anyone other than TB if it happens.
RE: The last pick in the first round  
figgy2989 : 6/27/2018 9:55 am : link
In comment 14000599 pjcas18 said:
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is obviously better than the last pick in the 2nd round, but I hesitate to call this good news for anyone other than TB if it happens.


Well another positive is it gets Tavares out of the division.
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